Poz's game day notes
by poz on Sep 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT
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Some random notes from the game:
- Roscoe Parrish deserves to play more on offense.
- Trent Edwards didn't get any time for the entirety of the first three quarters. Our offensive line should be ashamed of itself. It is by far and away the weakest link on this entire team. Our tackles in particular were getting smoked. Watching Demetrius Bell get bulldozed as Trent is forced to run for his life one play and then watching Cornell Green just get run around on the next was horrifying. In my humble opinion, the Bills should be on the phone with the Chargers RIGHT NOW, offering a 2nd and 4th for Marcus McNeil. We need to do something, anything, at tackle. If Demetrius Bell and Cornell Green couldn't handle the Dolphins they are going to get Trent killed when they face James Harrison and Lamarr Woodley.
- The first 3 quarters weren't Trent's fault. Actually nothing was Trent's fault except for the fact that he needs to actually throw the ball! When trying to launch a comeback I don't care if you don't have time at least try to throw the ball to someone! Defining moment in this regard? Last play of the game, down by 5, and he throws the ball to a Shawn Nelson on a 6 yard route? Are you kidding me? Throw the ball down the field! He actually go pretty decent protection towards the end but the first 3 quarters understandably destroyed his confidence in his o-line as he was running out of his pocket to his own detriment when he didnt need to in the 4th. Trent can't be running out of the pocket and throwing 7 yards passes when we need to get down the field and score to stay in the game.
- Our defense looks really good. Leodis McKelvin, Donte Whitner, Drayton Florence, Chris Ellis, Aaron Maybin, Dwan Edwards, Paul Posluszny, and Bryan Scott all looked good today.
- Reggie Corner can not be our dime back anymore. Put Ashton Youboty in please. The one time Reggie Corner was on the field in a crucial moment with a chance to make a play, on third down with a receiver who caught the ball 4 yards short of the first down marker in front of him one on one he got shook out of his shoes and had his ankles broken. He let the whole defense down on that play and we all know how good of a tackler Ashton is. He would have made that play.
- I was disappointed that Chan Gailey abandoned the run so fast in the middle stages of the game. Our offense got three amazing stops by the defense to open the half which put us in field position near the 50 and we went three and out each time. The common denominator? We threw the ball three straight times for nothing. I guess he was trying to show Trent he had faith in him. Well now hopefully he knows better. Chan played a major role in blowing this game. Marshawn and Fred were making big plays before halftime to get us our first points and he completely abandoned our offenses strong suit, our runners and our interior linemen, for our weakest points, asking our QB to throw, our tackles to protect him and then when we did run, running draws, sweeps and tosses and asking our receivers and tackles to hold their blocks. Like I said, lesson learned I hope.
- Another area of disappointment: I thought we were going to get creative putting the ball in Spiller's hands. Running him outside 7 times and having Trent put him in position to get hurt by throwing him 6 passes - 4 of which were caught - in the flat is not creative.
- I like what George Edwards has done with our defense, sending blitzers from all over the place, hanging back when he needs to, hiding his intent presnap, great game by the defense and George Edwards.The only defensive weakness I could see was our pass rush, which was surprising because I thought it would be our run d. However, the pass rush got better as the game went on so hopefully thats a good sign.
Week 1 Grades:
Passing Offense - F
Rushing Offense - D
Passing Defense - A+
Rushing Defense -C+
Special Teams - A-
Offensive Playcalling: F
Defensive Playcalling: B+
Just one humble fans opinion.
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Agree pretty much
except for two things. First, you kind of have to abandon the run when it’s 2nd and 20 or 3rd and 30. Those penalties pretty much killed any chance of a running play. Second, maybe it’s just me (and for the longest time I defended Trent saying it was the line’s fault and no one could play behind that line) but he’s had ample opportunity. Having a terrible line isn’t new to him. He needs to adapt. Good quarterbacks adapt (see Aaron Rodgers). Sorry but no more excuses for Trent.
Sorry but no more excuses for Trent.
Oh dont get me wrong, I agree with you on that. Trent is slow to make his reads and doesn’t see the whole field. However, there is no denying that this offensive line is atrocious. Trent had pressure from the edge breathing down his neck immediately after every snap. It was horrific. Based on week 1, its clear tackle is our biggest weak spot. By far. Our edge protection is non existent. I remember watching and actually think that their rush was getting to Trent at about the same speed they would if they were running around a wall of dummies. And then I realized that my thoughts weren’t that exaggerated. It was so bad.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Sep 12, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree
I think we need to be on the phone to San Diego offering them something for Marcus McNeil like an hour ago. However, good quarterbacks get it done regardless, and I’m just done with Trent. I’m sure he’d make a great QB somewhere else with a decent line. So let him go there.
by WhiskeySierra6 on Sep 12, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I needed nothing else to convince me besides Miami’s defense. They sat on EVERYTHING! proof was in the touchdown pass to Parrish. And on that throw I am convinced that Gailey fully instructed Trent to just throw it and it would be there.
Trent threw 2 pick 6 interceptions on short out routs that Miami’s corners couldn’t hang on to… pretty obvious to me that there was no fear of Trent throwing the ball further than 10 yards. I get that part of that deals with protection, but come on…
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
I agree so much with this....great thoughts, poz. This is what I saw too at the Ralph today.
Our tackles are terrible. It IS horrific. great word.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Sep 12, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Spiller was vanilla and we should have seen more of Lynch and Jackson. They seemed to be clicking but they never really got a chance.
Agree
Except for the fact that Trent wasn’t at fault. He had quite a bit of time (relatively speaking) in the second half and he just can’t make quick enough decisions. I am D O N E with Trent. I am getting pretty sick of all the offensive line, not just the tackles. Our interior line isn’t much better than the tackles. They consistently get pushed back into the pocket. Trent can’t go back because the tackles are getting beat and he can’t step up because our interior is getting pushed back.
Playcalling was atrocious. Miami wasn’t running the ball THAT effective, but they didn’t give up on it like Chan did.
Except for the fact that Trent wasn’t at fault.
I never said Trent wasn’t at fault, like I said, he needs to throw the ball which he seems incapable of doing. I just felt it was only fair to put blame where blame was due, our offensive line is horrific. I’m starting to be won over to your line of thinking on the interior line. I keep waiting for them to be the dominant unit that they are supposed to become…I dont think they are as bad as our tackles but I do think they have looked pretty average.
Playcalling was atrocious. Miami wasn’t running the ball THAT effective, but they didn’t give up on it like Chan did.
This was my biggest complaint from this game, even more than the offensive line. I agree with you completely, atrocious is about the only word I have for the offensive playcalling.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I dunno. It’s not that Trent doesn’t throw the ball. He just doesn’t throw it well. In this game he threw TWO sure-fire pick-sixes that Miami dropped. And people are always complaining about how he doesn’t go downfield but he just doesn’t have a big arm. He doesn’t throw deep with accuracy or velocity, but just hangs it up there as a jump ball. I’d be content if he was effective with a short-yardage passing game, but he doesn’t seem to do that well either.
trent was abysmal...
trent looked like a statue back there. He does not sense the rush, he does not avoid pressue in the pocket, he does not step up in the pocket (in fact he very often drifts into pass rushing lanes, although I didn’t see that today). You are stunned when he gets rid of the ball quicker than 3 seconds, He dos not seem to know what sort of defense he is playing against play to play, he sucks the life out of the team. Anyone complaining about the play calling needs to realize that he is calling safe plays for a QB with absolutely no confidense. He is god awful! The only question is when will brohm get his chance? I don’t know if brohm will succeed, but I know the offense will be completely different looking because brohm will throw the damn ball! Atleast we’ll find out how good or bad our recievers are….
GO BILLS!
Im watching Rams v Cardinals
and just watched Sam Bradford throw a beautiful deep ball to Clayton with 30 seconds left in the half to get his team in scoring range, and then throw his team down to the one yard line with 5 seconds left. It looks like they are going for it. Sigh…….
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
in case you were curious Bradford just rolled out and threw a touchdown to end the half.
risk taking and taking deep shots. We couldn’t do it even with our backs to the wall and no other options on the table……..
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I never saw a Dick Jauron offense look that bad, what a letdown
Maybe once it looked worse,
that 6-3 stinker vs Cleveland, but otherwise, I think you are right.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Blame
I put more blame on Trent than the O-line… Go back and watch and count 1 Mississippi, 2…, 3… Out and see if he got rid of the ball… More times than not he didn’t. Again I still would give the O-line a C-/D, but I would give Trent a straight F.
I think you are not giving our run D enough credit, they shut this team down for the most part… One of the best running teams in the NFL. I am now a big fan of Edwards.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 12, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
I put the O problems on Chan
he used 2 formations. And the shotgun 2/3 of the time (And and empty backfield a good chunk, let’s make sure they don’t have to play the run). I thought this guy knew offense.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you on the run D, and I was thinking about giving them a B- but then I remembered all those runs for 5 to 8 yards on first down and those 3rd down conversions on the ground and realized that while they did look better than anticipated and looked good at times, they were still giving up serious chunks.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I was way more impressed with the D
than the O.
Sure it was that bend but don’t break, but compared to the preseason, I was expecting a bloodbath. It didn’t happen.
I am super scared about Gailey, his gameplan was just atrocious, no misdirection plays, 1 play action under center, tons of shotgun. It was fairchild-schonert-van pelt all over again, without taking a deep shot or two. It was really really bad the game Gailey called.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
oh the defense was fantastic
the run d just needs to tighten up a bit, I gave them an honest grade for this game. I think they will get better as the season goes along. Our secondary is so sweet
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Chan was abysmal in playcalling.
65% of the time we played out of the shotgun on O. I don’t know what it is, but we haven’t had an offensive cooridinator make a team play the run since before Gilbride, why do these idiots love the shotgun and just let defenses tee off on the line.
Where was the misdirection?
Where was the more than 1 playaction when trent unders center.
Gailey did a nice job calling plays in the preseason, but this one stunk. Schonert has done better, and he sucks. Unless Gailey can turn it around quick and not have game plan as painfully obvious flawed as this one, I say it’s one and done for him.
Kudos to George Edwards and Bruce Dehaven,as crappy as your units looked during the preseason, You had them ready when the games counted.
Can’t say the same for Chan.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
Can’t say the same for Chan.
Im not as ready to give Chan a one and one because, while I hate to say “I told you so”, I never expected much this season. People got themselves all excited after the preseason. When myself and others tried to temper the increasing expectations people seemed to look at us as downers. After last season I wasn’t going to be fooled again. As much as the playcalling stunk, we KNEW going into this season that Chan has nothing to work with. Absolutely nothing but Evans and running backs. Everyone got excited from the preseason and chose to ignore this fact we had established since the day he was hired. Chan deserves a chance to build an offense. He has nothing.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
As much as the playcalling stunk, we KNEW going into this season that Chan has nothing to work with. Absolutely nothing but Evans and running backs
What scares me, is instead of going with the smart playcalling he was using preseason, I would have had a tough time tonight telling if it was Fairchild or Gailey calling plays.
I do not understand the last four playcallers obsession with the shotgun.
It is so much easier to pass rush and play the inside handoff for defenders then when you put the QB under center. We used shotgun 2 out of 3 plays tonight, he took the lunacy of the Jauron years on O to a new level, I hope he learns a lesson from this debacle. Now I understand why Haley dropped him so quick. I would have too after a stinker like tonight.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And what makes it even more upsetting.
In the preseason, that 70 yard bomb to lee out of the green bay 3 back formation, would it really have killed you to run a couple out of it for a different look. GB used that formation and gets 5 all the time on the ground against the toughest run defenses. 2 Formations, how unimaginitive, shotgun, I.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
by the way
best wishes to you and your mother, I hope everything works out man
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
He has nothing...
because we drafted nothing. Spiller is a fine back, but we needed a play making QB desperately and almost any of the available QB’s at pick #9 would have been an improvement over Trent. He looked lost and terrified, with no mobility to dodge what the porous O-line allowed through.
Spiller will be a good back, but he was a luxury pick for an Offenseless starving team. No back can succeed with 9-10 guys ready for the run. We got nothing else, so they could stack the D that way.
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
I will tell you.
When you see a QB in the shotgun, with no RBs and you are a blitzer, all you are looking to do is tattoo him with your shoulder pads, because there is no one he can hand off too except an end around, and if you play DL or LB that’s not your problem unless you can shoot a gap and get him in the backfield.. That happened alot tonight with our O. Lay off the shotgun unless it is 3rd and long. This isn’t the NCAA.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But it works in college....just ask Saban and Spurrier
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
but we only gave Spiller
7 carries and then four passes to the flat with no blockers in sight. We didnt give Spiller chances to make plays.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Hard to playcall anything good,
With the O-Line so horrible.
I thought the offensive no-huddle idea by Gailey turned out to be a decent decision
Yeah
The one good thing he did.
Not making the D play the run by being shotgun most of the game, pure lunacy.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense was awesome
Maybin played really good as well, in his limited time he was frequently in the QBs face
OLINE proves how awful they are
"Your favorite kind of cake can't be birthday cake, that's like saying your favorite kind of cereal if breakfast cereal."- Parks and Recreation
Maybin played really good as well
I wouldn’t say that, but I would say he is moving in the right direction and showing signs of life.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he was constantly in Hennes face from what I saw
"Your favorite kind of cake can't be birthday cake, that's like saying your favorite kind of cereal if breakfast cereal."- Parks and Recreation
And I was also very Impressed with Leodis
"Your favorite kind of cake can't be birthday cake, that's like saying your favorite kind of cereal if breakfast cereal."- Parks and Recreation
Leodis
he has been looking better as the season progressed,
I think the one I was most disappointed in was Chan. That was a terrible game plan, I had a tough time telling it from a Fairchild-Schonert-Van Pelt one.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I can think of two off the top of my head.
Not quite there yet, but getting better and on the way.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 12, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw
It was to David Nelson not Shawn nelson for the 6 yd catch to end the game
And when it really counts......the real Trent Edwards showed himself
Some players are training camp studs…….some are gamers. Trent is the former. While I doubt Gailey will dump Edwards as starter after one game, Brohm has got to be somewhere licking his chops.
I never saw a Dick Jauron offense look that bad, what a letdown.
Yes you have. Go back and look at some old games. At least we scored a TD. Either way, I never will opine for the return of Dick. At least Gailey is entertaining in interviews.
offering a 2nd and 4th for Marcus McNeil.
Good luck. After seeing how bad our OTs are, the Chargers will assume we will give them two #1s……j/k. Might as well throw in V. Jackson…..we need him too…….and Rivers. Might as well face it now, we are not getting anyone good at this point. We are going to have to ride this suck train to the end. I just hope that come draft time, “Gynecolo-Nix” and “The Dingo” listen to all of us dummies who thought we should have drafted a QB and OT last year.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
If anything, this game shows why i put no stock in the preseason
According to how we played in the preseason, our defense was suppose to be atrocious, while our offense was suppose to be efficient, keeping us in close games.
Obviously, you could pretty much say the exact opposite about the offense/defense after looking at this game.
And as for Trent Edwards, I will say I had faith from watching the preseason games that he had made improvement. But he is the same QB. I remember hearing reports when Ryan Leaf would look incredible in the preseason, but come the regular season, that figure had been replaced by a disappointing inefficient QB. I’m sorry to all the TE faithful, but I simply do not see him as the answer to our quarterback woes. QB, assuming that Brohm does not become the option for next year, should be our TOP priority in next year’s draft…. that along with tackle.
by flutieflakes007 on Sep 12, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
Chan!
Reggie Corner can not be our dime back anymore
Amen Brother, had to throw that in there
As for Chan,
We ran some misdirection Freddy J’s 12 yard run comes to mind, and Marshawn breaking that 15 or 16 yards gain was nice, I said it in my post too less CJ more Freddy/Marshawn, CJ is a great talent and as the season goes on we will see that we need to use him in a pErcy Harvin Role, run with what you you have and you have 2 backs that saw very limited work that deserve more Get the ball to the producers.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
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