The Illogic of our Intentional Safety
Okay, now that I am removed from the emotional high and low of the game thread, I am going to attempt to construct a rational basis based on the situation that happened at the end of the 4th quarter vs. Miami. I do support Chan Gailey just as much now as before the game, because a coach has to have much more than one season game and an offseason before anyone starts proclaiming success or failure on him. So just don't get the masochistic suicidal wrist-slashing Bills-fan vibes. :)
So here's the situation.
With 1:30 left, the Bills had the ball on their own 1 yard line, 4th and 10 to go and trailing by 3 points.
The Bills chose to take an intentional safety. This put them down by 5 points and without possession of the ball. The hope was that the defense could stop the Miami offense on a 3 and out, giving the Bills possession of the ball again at an area not in the shadow of their own goal line. This happened. The defense actually stopped Miami.
With :29 seconds left, the Bills had the ball on their own 20 yard line, 1st and 10 to go and trailing by 5 points.
There are arguments supporting the intentional safety, mostly based on the idea that going for it on 4th down, when we had failed on 1-3rd downs, had effectively zero chance of succeeding. That belief is based on the failure of our offense up to that point. The reality is, any one play has a chance of connecting for ten yards. Why do terrible offenses routinely find themselves able to pick up 10 yards at a time at the end of the game?
In rebuttal I ask this: which of those two bolded situations actually gives a team zero chance to win the game? Which situation would you rather be in as an offense? Are the Dolphins capable of giving up an 80 yard drive in 29 seconds to an offense with NO timeouts? Or are the Bills more capable of picking up a 4th and 10 at their own 1, conserving their timeouts, and only needing a 70 yard drive to tie in 1:30? Yes, that's a leap of faith. But is that any more of a leap of faith than hoping the defense would even stop Miami after the safety?
I know that this play wasn't "what lost the game" in the sense that it can't receive the blame for the loss. I know this, I know this, I know this. I know this. Let's face it, the defense, while not perfect, played well enough to win the game. The offense didn't, and they bear the blame. But that's not what this is about. That's not what this is about, because, with 1:30 left, none of that mattered. With 1:30 left, the Bills had a diminished chance to win, but not an unrealistic one. The only thing that mattered at that stage was Trying to win with what was left of the game. It ws important to correctly assess the best chance from the situation at the end of the game. Had we gone for it on 4th down, a) we lose immediately; or b) we keep our timeouts, keep about a minute on the clock, and keep our chance at the field goal. Yes, it was risky, but in ITS successful execution (unlike the alternative plan), we have realistic chances.
By taking that intentional safety, we placed our faith in the defense stopping Miami and thus putting our offense in an impossible situation with 29 seconds left. That wasn't even a realistic risk. We effectively surrendered our realistic chances of pulling out any kind of a comeback. It doesn't mean we should fire our coach or even THINK about firing him. It doesn't even mean we should think the Bills are going to do worse this year than any of us thought. But it was practically the definitive wrong decision at the end of the game.
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I sat befuddled by the decision
It took me a minute to understand the decision and then even after I did, I couldn’t find the logic in it. Just as you described, after the safety, it could not have played out any better for the Bills then it happened. And even in that perfect situation Buffalo had less than 30 seconds with 80 yards to march with ZERO timeouts. Given the choice of 4th and 10 on the goal line with 70 or so yards for a game tying field goal, 1:30 on the clock and 2 timouts or 1st and 10 on the 20 with 30 seconds and 80 yards for a touchdown….. this seems like a no brainer.
I’m not claiming to know more than Gailey, but what on earth could have made this decision seem to give us the best chance? Is that what Lee Evans was trying to tell Gailey on the sideline?
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
Horrible, putrid decision
I said when he did it that the BEST CASE SCENARIO was that we’d have 30 seconds left, from our own 20 yard line, with no timeouts and need a TD to win. How in any scenario is that better than needing 10 yards on 4th down?
Best case scenario that would have had a 1 in 1000 chance of happening
since the kick can and will always be fair caught in that situation. Your only hope is a fumbled catch.
by twoeightnine on Sep 12, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
They could have had Moorman try kicking a ground ball, hoping to recover like a normal onside kick
I’m assuming that’s legal of course…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah thats what I was thinking, so the entire plan made sense until Moorman popped it up.
A slight possibility is that either Chan or Bruce forgot about the fair catch.
I know I did right before that play, I was thinking “They should pop it up right behind their front line and run and recover it”.
If it is legal then I think that onside kick gave them a better percentage chance than converting a 4th and 10 from their goal line and then driving down the field.
Just my opinion.
I would imagine
trying to ground a ball when dropping it is ridiculously hard
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
no its not
it is a standard type of kick.
What makes it difficult is that Moorman may only have done it a few times before because how often does he need to do it in an NFL career.
The past is fixed, the future is unknown, try dealing with the present!
"You are drunk, sir!" "And you are ugly, madame! But I will be sober in the morning!"
I stand corrected then
but you are right, I would assume, that Moorman may not know how to do it well
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
It did what it was supposed to do. Give our offense the ball back. A punt more then likely gets blocked or shanked out of bounds. Go for it and fail they get the ball on the 1 and easily win the game. It’s not madden people the reality of the situation forced the call. That’s not the play that lost the game it was the 3 before it and the last 4 of the game. Poor execution on those plays lost the game, Chan calls the plays and gave his team another chance. Its up to the guys on the field to do what they are being payed for.
Flame on…
I respectfully disagree
I agree that it did what it was supposed to do. The offense did get the ball back. But at what cost? Are you saying that you like our chances better with a 1st and 10 on the 20 with 30 seconds and 80 yards for a touchdown and no timeouts over the 4th and 10 with 1:30 on the clock, 2 timouts and only needing a field goal ? I’m sorry, I can’t understand in any way how that puts the players in a better situation.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
It’s not madden people the reality of the situation forced the call.
Forgive us for thinking in terms of videogames. Your right we were definitely thinking in terms of Madden tactics.
I really don’t like it when people say this, it is a very overused comment.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Right on
Unless he was somehow saying that Madden would not have allowed you to snap the ball over the punters head to take a safety there… :-)
Seriously though, it is a bit of a condescending comment.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
Yes I like the odds better of four plays over one play. Had they not wasted that first time out there would have been a lot more time on the clock, but that’s another story. Considering Trent barely had the time to get a 3-4 yard pass off I just don’t see how they would hold the pass rush off for long enough to get the first down. They weren’t letting anything thrown short turn into any big gains so a pass into the flats wasn’t likely going to cut it either. A punt in that situation is just as much as a gamble and if it did get off cleanly could leave them in field goal range. The madden comment was more aimed at the Dolphins knew what was on the line and they weren’t going to just happen to blow coverage on a guy and let him get the first down, I should have worded it better. Any number of plays could have been called there and if it didn’t work we would be debating how that call was the end of the world. Unless we actually win the game it was a no win situation as far what play was called.
huh?
more aimed at the Dolphins knew what was on the line and they weren’t going to just happen to blow coverage on a guy and let him get the first down
Isn’t that what happens on every 3rd and long and 4th and long? People do convert them. Just because a defense knows whats coming doesn’t mean you can’t beat it.
had they not wasted that first time out there would have been a lot more time on the clock
But they did waste it. The situation was what it was.
Any number of plays could have been called there and if it didn’t work we would be debating how that call was the end of the world
At that point I had accepted our odds of winning were minimal, all I wanted was a chance to convert and get a two minute drill going. I think many wouldn’t have complained if they had gone for it.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
The goal was not just
a defensive hold and get the ball back.
The kickoff was supposed to be an attempt at onsides too so that they could possibly get the ball there.
I believe mooreman popped the ball up farther than they wanted and they didnt expect the fair catch.
And in the situation they didnt get the onsides (as what happened) their defense still had a chance to hold and get the offense the ball back.
If they didn't expect the fair catch
DeHaven has to be fired immediately. Every team is going to fair catch that no matter what.
by twoeightnine on Sep 12, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mind that decision at all. I mean, for real guys – we’ve got MUCH bigger problems.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 12, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
Absolutely we have bigger problems. But just because that’s true doesn’t mean the call makes sense. In reality, it was a bad situation to be in no mattter what the decision. Chances were low no matter what Giely did there. I just think it was the wrong call. Plain and simple. I fail to see how taking the safety put us in a more manageable position. I just didn’t like it.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
Yeah, this.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
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You don't mind the decision "WHAT"
You are right we have a ton of problems to fix, but Chan Gailey didn’t give his team a chance to win at the end. Who cares if we got stopped and they went down on a knee at the one yard line. You still have to give the team a chance to win until the whistle blows. We had plenty of time and 2 time outs to get a field goal. Do I think Edwards would have got a first down “NO” but the odds are much better than getting the ball back with little time and no time outs. The crazy part was that was the best case scenario. I was screaming at the TV the moment we made that stupid call. Then again, I was screaming at the TV just about the entire game… “Feel bad for the defense” They stay on the field all day, bust their tails, and never get rewarded with points form the offense.
by crazycoach39 on Sep 12, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely,
but it’s an important talking point nonetheless.
Blame where you must, be candid where you can, And be each critic the Good-natured Man. - Oliver Goldsmith (Excellent advice)
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
I didn't quite agree with the call, but it's certainly defensible.
Maybe it wasn’t the right call, but it wasn’t an unreasonable one.
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I agreed with the intentional safety. I had 0% faith that Trent makes the play if they go for it, which leaves the Dolphins at the 3 yard line or something where they would score and the game would have been out of reach anyway.
Way too many things could have gone wrong had they punted, a block or a shank… and either way the Dolphins would have gotten the ball around the same area more than likely.
Trent failed miserably on the last offensive drive. The idea had to have been hail mary but Trent doesn’t do that. He had time in the pocket on all four downs… and refused to throw until the last one where he threw for what, 5 yards?
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Logical Step
4-1 from the less than a yard line. With our poor offensive line, poor passing game, and the difficulty of getting off a punt in that little space, an intentional safety was the logical choice to make. Assuming we went for it and missed, the Dolphins would’ve had the ball at the one and we would’ve been down 20-10 instead of 15-10 as a touchdown from that distance is practically assured. Instead by going for the safety, we had a chance to cause the Dolphins to mess up on the ensuing punt for which they had to burn a time out to switch personnel to prevent a turnover on the kick. It also allowed our solid defense to make a stand and allow our offense to try and score a touchdown (which they failed to do) to win the game.
So its your opinion that its easier to go 80 yards in 30 seconds for a game winning TD with no Timeouts
Vs trying to get 10 yards on one play………….then going 60 yards with 2 Time outs and over a min to play to tie?
Odd I guess.
I know we're going to have a big challenge to do better than what we did last year, but I feel we have the team to do that. We want to win with numbing repetition. - Jim Harbaugh
by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 12, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn’t it much, much more likely that Buffalo converts on 4th down than Brandon Marshall fumbles his fair catch and the Bills recover?
I think the odds of success aren’t even close when you compare the two choices Gailey had. What are the odds that Buffalo converts on 4th down? Then what are the odds that Buffalo can drive 50-60 yards in 90 seconds with at least one timeout and make a FG? OR what are the odds that Miami botches the fair catch and if they don’t, what are the odds that Buffalo forces Miami to go three and out and then drives 80 yards to score a TD in 30 seconds with no timeouts. Buffalo put themselves in an impossible situation by not going for it. At least there was some chance they could convert on fourth down and some chance that they could drive into FG territory in the amount of time left.
I also think that Buffalo puts far more pressure on Miami by going for it then by forcing them to properly execute a fair catch under pressure.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Yeah, that surprised me too, especially with the way Lindell had been kicking. There were 9 and a half minutes left in the game and Buffalo was down 7. The FG attempt would have been 48 yards. Ballsy call to go for it and even ballsier (I can’t believe Firefox isn’t telling me ballsier is a typo) to run a bunch of fly routes straight down the field.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Well said
I didn’t buy Gailey’s explanation either. You lay out the pros and cons above better than the head coach did. That’s frightening.
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I didn't hate the call
I just thought of a way that it would have been a safer call.
We’re in the end zone already so we line up to go for it. Tell Trent that if he sees an open man for a first down, take the shot and get him the ball. Otherwise, since we’ve already decided a safety is cool, just have Trent take a knee, or, if he doesn’t have time, the sack. We’re in no worse position then than just snapping it out of bounds.
I know it would take maybe 5-6 more seconds off the clock, but I think it would be worth it to take the chance of converting.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Sep 12, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
What I didn't understand was . . . .
Why was there not some kind of attempt to kick onsides and recover?
This was DeHaven’s opportunity to pull some kind of magic out of his bag of tricks.
I gotta believe Moorman can do just about anything he wants to in pinpointing a kick, and yet he pooches it right to the best athelete on the field?
my thoughts
I thought it was an interesting call, though i have enough in our all-decade punter moorman to get one off, even if it was a bad punt. its not like he nailed the free kick anyways. my biggest gripe was that he hit the same exact kick after they called the timeout. you knew they called the timeout to get a feel for what we were going to do, and then we played right into it. i would have either goen with a more convincing onside attempt to the other side of the field, or nailed it trying to pin them on their one, so that when we got the ball back, it would be around midfield (or at least give us a chance at a safety in return) and that might have been feasiable, with them having their hands team on the field.
Personally, i think there were three available options:
1-go for it. we went for it on fourth and 11 earlier in the game. it would have been the aggressive fighting we all like. if we failed, which was a very high probability, it would have been game over. i have no doubt the minnows could have run it in from the one inch line. if we succeed, it is the best scenario.
2- Moorman punt. i believe that this had a good chance of succeeding, since moorman might be the best on the team at what he does. if he does get a good one, we still get the ball back (assuming the defense holds) and only need a field goal to tie it. if he doesn’t succeed at getting a good punt, and only gets a bad one, they get a fg, burn up clock and we end up with the same situation as we did with the free kick (meaning needing a td with no time on the clock and time outs) if the kick gets blocked, a distinct possibility given the field position, it most likely would have gone out of bounds in the end zone. safety, same situation. absolute worst case scenario, the minnows get a td and we immediately get the ball back to make something happen, and hope that our special teams plays some magic. also could be worse.
3- the safety. believe it or not, this does have its advantages. first, it is the most guaranteed outcome. we get to pooch kick the ball. second, when was the last time you saw a team try to do something like that? it has the advantage of surprise, trying to throw the dolphins off. and you can tell that it worked like that because they tried to freeze the kicker, they didn’t know what to expect. unfortunately, we then didn’t try something different to capitalize on the surprise effect. we ran the same exact thing that they froze. the alternatives, a more traditional onsides kick that they were expecting, or to pound it out and leave them on their one yard line, thereby (once again, if the defense holds) giving us better field position (or the chance at a safety in the other direction), which we would need, since we would then need a td. (unless we actually got the safety, which would then relegate back to letting the special teams get some magic)
again, as you can see, i think the best option would have been to give it to possibly our best player, moorman. best case scenario, we only need a fg and still have fair field position, worst case, we end up at the same spot we were in. just my thoughts on the call.

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