My response to Tim Graham
by Moxicity on Sep 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
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PrintThis is getting rediculous folks. It's funny how the Bills have made the most obvious improvment over the rest of the division yet gets no notice. The media is still sticking to the moves made on the paper during the off season and disregarding what is seen on the field so far. Is there no one in the media that can draw any positives on what the Bills are doing? Did anyone read John Clayton's QB analysis??? Here'a link to Tim Grahams recent regurgitation. He knows where his bread is buttered. The Jets are a media cash cow right now. Ethical journalism vs. commericial media. Was there even a fight?
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast
After the jump is my response to Tim.
Tim, I don't see how the Jets got better in the offseason. They sure didn't show it in the preseason. That offense is putrid. The defense in stifling. Is that a recipe for the Superbowl?
The Pats are the opposite of the Jets. Their defense is in a lot of trouble but they have the Brady factor. Therefore they should overcome and be a least as good as last year.
Miami is mediocre. I don't see where they made much improvement over last year. They've made some moves but where's the payoff? They've stunk up the preseason.
The Bills look like the most improved. The defense is porous but the offense seems like it has a rythmn. No better than 8-8, but certainly not the worst team in the league as ESPN would have you believe.
None of these teams can be considered dominant. The Bills, according to you and the rest of the media, got worse while you also believe the other three teams have gotten better. Are you talking paper? Because we've seen the numbers ones and have an idea of what to expect. Do you watch the preseason games or just regurgitate what the rest of the media force on us?
If the Bills beat the Dolphs opening day the headline will read "Bills Shocker". But it will only be a shock to those not paying attention.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Preseason is just that PRESEASON means nothing
by Bobwen on Sep 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wins and losses mean nothing in the preseason...
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by Moxicity on Sep 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly.
The Bills have looked awful the last few preseasons. I doubt during those years that we heard the “preseason means nothing” mantra. It almost seems like the Bills are “danged if they do and danged if they don’t.” If they have a good preseason then it means nothing…if they have a bad one then heads need to roll.
we did hear the preseason means nothing
but in fact, it does. If you are looking horrible, then that is not good, especially for your ones. It is important if you know what your looking for.
"The children are our future" - Randy Watson (Randy Watson, ladies and gentleman!)
Tim has been knocking on the Bills
Since he got ran off twobillsdrive.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Graham used tro have a thread over at twobillsdrive
Anyways after two brouhahas with some posters over there, Tim packed up his ball and went home. Which in all fairness an probably blamed more on the posters over there than him. Anyhow it seems like since then, his opinion of the Bills franchise has went down a notch or 2.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Wasn't it because.
Some posters asked for his sacred sources for confirmation? And he got all huffy about it?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If i rember correct.
There was someone here was one of the two getting on him for the source of some information and it wasn’t me.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
but they may have a post in this thread.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Cough
Mob…it was you if i remember right, it was months ago.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i could be wrong.
But it was definatley someone from here.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was involved in the first incident
The second one though I had nothing to do with ;)
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
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I'll take Dilfer on that Ravens team over Sanchez any day. No comparison. Ravens not in SB with Sanchez.
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so...
You’re actually saying that the Jets are a better team than the Ravens then? Since the Jets were 14 points from the Super Bowl (which was all apparently Sanchez’ fault?)
huh?
The Ravens were in the Super Bowl and won it. The Jets never even should have been in the in the championship game last year. They lost. Never made the SB. What’s your point?
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I see where you are coming from, but
The Bills will not be good this year. They will be competitive, but i fear they wont have the instinct to win the close games this year.
That being said, the Jets are, IMO, the 3rd place team in the division. We can see the defense will be dominant again (even without Revis), but the offense has too many holes. Sanchez has a lot (understatement) of growing to do as a QB (not locking onto receivers, diagnosing coverage, game situational awarness), their O-line is overrated (who’s going to start at RG) and IMO, Shonne Greene hasn’t proven enough over the course of the season to be relied on (though i could really eat those words).
The Pats are what the Pats have been. They have Brady, Moss and Welker on Offense. I don’t see a problem. What their defense lacks in experience (DB’s) and athletic ability (LB’s) can be made up for by Billieck’s schemes. I can’t go against their track record (especially after being embarrassed in last years playoffs and the motivation derived from the loud-mouthed jets)
The Dolphins are the sleeper here IMO. They had a two key acquisitions this year in Marshall (stretch the field, aiding an already potent ground game) and Nolan (the best off-season move by any team in the AFC East). Even if Henne cant get the ball to Marshall 100 times this year, the dolphins are going to make you pick you poison with a long ball play action game, or a tough ground game. What Nolan did for the Broncos last year in the first year of their switch to the 3-4 should speak to the impact that he should have on their D.
The Bills, though having a really really solid off-season need another year to sort through the leftovers on the roster now (Kelsey comes to mind) and to get comfortable running a completely new style.
The divsion should shape out something like this (IMO) Pats (11-5) Fins (10-6) Jets (7-9) Bills (6-10). Though we are still last, I think that we should start to be competitive down the stretch when everyone starts settling in, and the weather plays to our strengths (running and defending the pass)
by SamD8n on Sep 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
not sure if the Fins win 10 though and might give one more to the Jets
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
The Ravens are going to Win the AFC
And, MOXICITY I will not be one bit surprised if we beat the Dolphins week 1 at Home
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" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
I agree to most of this
it is obvious that ESPN and most sports media outlets love to just on wagons and not the Bills kind. The Fins and Jets made a lot of noise this offseason and they sold the wheels off of it. We the Bills have also made moves but not nearly as sexy. Not to mention that the team in general is very un sexy at the moment. I’m ok with it though. I don’t need some NFL has beens or never wases to tell me that we have improved this year.
We will win 6-7 games this year and continue to build into a 3-4 next off-season.
The Jets and Fins both have potential to be good this year, but they must execute. That is why they play the games and that is why I love the game.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
potential to be good this year, but they must execute. That is why they play the games and that is why I love the game.
Rec’d for this. I can’t stand it when people put up a schedule and say, “Where are you going to get more than x wins?” Any team can beat any other team any given Sunday. That’s why they play the games.
Can I throw in a few more cliches here? ;-)
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Tell to Vegas......they make money playing the odds every year.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Funny you mention that, because the Bills are a historically good money team if you know what you’re doing exactly because of the medias penchant for dismissing them.
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Vegas
The Bill’s are good at covering the spread, have been for years. Your absolutely right.
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
NE: 8-8
BUF: 8-8
NYJ: 8-8
MIA: 8-8
PLAUSIBLE.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Sep 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tim Graham spent eight years living in Buffalo, covering sports (mostly hockey) for the Buffalo News. He’s not a Buffalo hater. Let’s not confuse his objective reporting and a difference of opinion with somebody out to get the Bills. Remember when the Bills started 5-1 a couple years ago? They were one of the darlings of ESPN just like when the Bills were suddenly being called a Super Bowl contender after blowing out New England and Jacksonville in the Bledsoe days. So, why is it Bills basing when our team hasn’t made the playoffs in forever and why is it some crazy bias when ESPN is covering a team that played in the AFC Championship game last year? Tim Graham simply doesn’t think the Bills are a good team and that’s a completely acceptable opinion to hold. Personally, I think he does a fine and fair job covering the team. As a network, ESPN’s NFL coverage is reactionary and shallow, but by now, people should know that’s what you’re getting when you tune in or pull up their site.
It’s funny how the Bills have made the most obvious improvment over the rest of the division yet gets no notice
The Bills add a dynamic offensive threat in Spiller, a backup NT in Troup, a terrible RT in Green and a decent/solid starter in Andra Davis and I’m supposed to believe that those additions and Chan Gailey gives the Bills the best offseason of the AFC East? Especially when you consider the retirement of Schobel and what has to now be one of the league’s worst pass rushes. You could make the Argument that Karlos Dansby and Brandon Marshall would be the two best players on this team. How is it obvious that Buffalo made the most improvement?
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
by kaisertown on Sep 2, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
How is it obvious that Buffalo made the most improvement?
because we got rid of Dick Jauron and our zero vision that was the front office….
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Heck Ya!
"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 2, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
But is that a solid, rational opinion or something that should be obvious to all sports fans across the country?
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
i’d think it’d be obvious to Tim Graham….
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
right on the money!
The biggest improvement that we made was by subtraction.
That being said, I agree with Adam, the Bills did very little in the off season and deserve to be the butt of all jokes. It’s going to be another year or two before we start earning our way back into any sort of spotlight.
BTW: Did I miss something? Tim’s article seemed very factual and not at all deserving the response from this article?
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I'm on your side on this kaisertown we probably had the poorest off season of the other teams in are division
Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes
That can’t possibly be true. The Bills changed over GMs, coaches (offensive, defensive, etc.), and brought in some solid veterans (Andra Davis comes to mind). What were they supposed to do? Sign aging veterans during a rebuilding project? How would LT helped our team rebuild? And I think the point of the article was to point out that the evidence of what the Bills have accomplished this offseason can be seen on the field, not on paper, which I agree with. So far, the Bills have not played like the worst team in the AFC East, not by a long shot, which is something we haven’t been able to say after a preseason in many years.
The Bills add a dynamic offensive threat in Spiller, a backup NT in Troup, a terrible RT in Green and a decent/solid starter in Andra Davis and I’m supposed to believe that those additions and Chan Gailey gives the Bills the best offseason of the AFC East?
I think you should, but that’s up to you. The Jets have completely blown themselves up this offseason and the Phins ARE mediocre – with or without Dansby.
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Let's not forget...
…that the Bills got 20-odd injured players from last season back for the beginning of OTAs. Many of them have decent talent. That’s got to count for something as well.
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I know you feel you must defend your friend, but...
The Bills have made the biggest improvement over their team of a year ago over the rest of the AFC East. Are you telling my any of the other teams have looked better than they did last year? There’s off-season signings, then there’s preseason performance, then there are the real games. So far, the Bills have made the biggest leap prior to the real games. I’m not saying they are the best team, just made the most improvement. I don’t know how you can argue to the contrary. Your buddy Tim has just jumped on the jets band wagon like the rest. I expect more out of him. A better analysis of the division and teams he covers. No one, not even intelligent fans, feel the Bills are contenders. but credit where credit is due. They have a plan, the are improving in spite of what the media pseudo-GMs think is best. Tim is just not paying attention. Or if he is, he’s just afraid to have a different opinion. That’s MY opinion.
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The Bills have made the biggest improvement over their team of a year ago over the rest of the AFC East.
The Dolphins added DC Mike Nolan, got Karlos Dansby and Brandon Marshall. They added two very good to great players and an outstanding DC. We added a new coach and Dwan Edwards, man.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that I believe our Bills are a playoff contender but...
I think they are not being given a chance in hell to win 6 or 7 games by ESPN and the rest of the sports world. I don’t think anyone feels they are improving under Gailey outside of Rumblings, which we definitely can see that they have/are. The whole mindset of the team has changed 180 and that alone will buy this team some wins this year. They will play to win, not the former play not to lose!
I think that if Shanny or Cowher was currently the coach of the Bills (who are currently 2-1 in preseason), people would be talking about their potential and turnaround from the previous DJ years!
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certainty while everyone remains 0 and 0
always makes me wonder. why such intense commitment and emotional
attachment to predictions based on tons of speculation.
here’s another angle: what if brady gets injured again? why not? he’s
getting old, teams know they have to get to brady cause they have no
running game to speak of. it’s brady or nothing.
then what happens to the division? henne and sanchez vs edwards?
sorry, but with our running game and chan calling the plays i will take
edwards over both of those guys.
experience matters, and sanchez was horrific for much of last season.
henne was at best average. sophmore slump for both of them is not
unlikely.
then there is the X factor, which in my view is Spiller the Thriller. he
will be the most dynamic running back and offensive weapon in the
AFC East, or damn close to it.
i see the Bills at least splitting their division games, and going no worse
than 8 and 8.
i do not believe the bills somehow got worse relative to their competition
between late 2009 and today.
talk of the bills picking first in next yrs draft, or espn’s clayton ranking
edwards 30th or 31st among QBs is laughable….
his stats are pretty good all things considered. not many QBs, including
brees and eli manning, did much their first few yrs.
brees was viewed with derision his first few yrs in san diego by many
so called experts.
manning saw the light late in his 4th yr, if i recall, and went on a great short
term run to win the super bowl, helped by an improbable catch…yes luck
matters….
toss a coin i say, but when it comes to the bills going 4 and 12 or worse,
i say bet big against that nonsense….after all, under jauron they won 7
friggining games how many times?
The article you are referencing, lists the Bills needs for the offseason as laid out by Scouts, Inc. Graham correctly identifies that the Bills did nothing to improve at QB (except add a 7th round pick), OT (except bring in Cornell Green who has looked horrible), and OLB (they even lost their best pass rusher from last year). I don’t see how that’s incorrect.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 2, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So if the Bills had drafted, say, Bulaga in the 1st, and Colt McCoy in the 2nd as most media wanted them too, the Bills would be better than they are right now? I have to disagree. The Bills are better for not taking those players and instead having a plan for improvement despite what the “experts” say they need to address.
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Pretty good comeback.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Sep 3, 2010 3:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bulaga would have been a wonderful, wonderful pick
as is Spiller. The enigma comes in the fact that we already have 2 solid running backs, where as we have below-average tackles. Easy to see why the media knocks us.
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Bulaga would have been a wonderful, wonderful pick
isn’t he having some issues in GB right now?
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
not really
he had an injury, but is the swing man, first reserve off the bench for G or T, and once someone gets injured, he will be a starter from there on out, they won’t be able to get him out of the lineup.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So if the Bills had drafted, say, Bulaga in the 1st, and Colt McCoy in the 2nd as most media wanted them too, the Bills would be better than they are right now?
No but they would have addressed two of their biggest concerns. That’s not really something you can argue.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
but they did address it in Levi Brown and Wang. not in the early rounds but they addressed them.
from all accounts mccoy and baluga would be massive downgrades from what Spiller is going to give us and Troup is right there as well
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
but they did address it in Levi Brown and Wang. not in the early rounds but they addressed them.
Those are depth guys and you know it. Neither of them were ever going to start this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
so they had to draft starters there even though they don’t know what they have in Bell and even in Edwards for that matter after the mess last year, heck even the last 2 years.
I didn’t think you were one of the people that was hung up on making sure they addressed those concerns. unless you were just pointing out the fact that they weren’t addressed in the first 2 rounds where starters are more likely
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by J2 on Sep 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure those were their biggest concerns...
I think their biggest concerns were to score points and stop the run. And they were addressed in rounds 1 and 2.
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But Graham never said those were the biggest concerns. Scouts Inc did. He just took what they did and examined if the Bills took care of it.
And I think pass rush and OT were the two biggest concerns.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
seems clear to me that Trent is a different QB under some actual direction. So, I would disagree because not being reactionary and making their own evaluation within their own system was prudent….
let’s not pretend that anyone is “correct” on an opinion before the season starts, though?
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Addition by subtraction
Buffalo’s coaching change was the best off season move in the NFL and was a season overdue. Compared to last season with Juron as HC, the Peters situation, Maybin’s hold out and the OC getting fired, we’re in much better shape this year. It’s not as bad as everyone on espn and Peter King (who by the way picked the Cutler led bears for last year’s SB) are predicting. O-Line needs to say healthy.
I would argue.
It was two seasons overdue.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 4, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why better than experts think?
Bills have avoided the “injury bug” so far (knock on Belichick noggin) & that alone gives me hope that the coaching staff has implemented better program than the last 4 years. When more than a qtr of roster misses significant playing time I don’t see any team doing well.
For the most part “dumb” penalties seem reduced. False starts & illegal formations can KILL an offense. Offsides on D gives free play or 5 yds.
Offense seems to have variety of plays which will lead to more scoring. Motion & disciplined route running should lead to YAC.
Lots more positives but you know what I’m talking about.
I absolutely HATE having to watch so much Tennessee Oiler football.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Sep 3, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions
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Very well argued. I wish I wrote this myself.
Do you watch the preseason games or just regurgitate what the rest of the media force on us?
You know, I don’t think they do their homework at all really. They are entrenched in their jobs and that makes them lazy. The “blogosphere” is where you get really interesting analysis these days if you can get past the bias.
I think the community here is pretty smart on the whole and frankly I don’t blame them for keeping their expectations low, but I bet 90% of the frequent visitors to BR know more about the Bills than ANY of these ESPN “insiders,” simply because of people like Brian and MRW who take the time and do real work – without the benefit of an inside scoop.
I’ve followed the game since I was a kid and I’ve been fortunate enough to see bad teams turn into good and while I’m not saying the Bills are “on their way” or anything, this is what that transition often looks like, and it’s almost never accompanied by much big media attention unless it’s a big market team like the Cowboys. Their are corporate interests involved in all of this as well.
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Motivation
Please tell me your thesis for the motivation behind Tim Graham “forcing” pessimism over the Bills upon the public. I’m not buying it.
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I think you may have mis-replied?
I didn’t mention Tim Graham in my comment… the OP may have, but I was speaking generally. Also, didn’t even use the word “forcing,” which you quote?
CJ, don't SPILLith thy Kool Aid.
Tim Graham is not entrenched. He has been to Bills training camp and Ralph Wilson Stadium. He’s not a Schlereth or a Clayton who never shows up or comes for one day.
but I bet 90% of the frequent visitors to BR know more about the Bills than ANY of these ESPN "insiders,"
I would agree with that for everyone at ESPN except Graham.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, didn’t mention Graham’s name in my comment… and I was speaking generally.
CJ, don't SPILLith thy Kool Aid.
So? You mentioned how the article was spot on. I disagree with that statement.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I really fail to see where pessimism over the Bills qualifies as unethical journalism. I’m not really a fan of Graham’s, but it has nothing to do with ethics. If your complaint is simply that the ESPN staff is unoriginal that’s something I’m on board with. For example, their web site had a picks segment up yesterday with 16 different personalities. All 16 picked the Chargers and 49ers to win the western divisions. Not much in the way of analysis fellows. What was more interesting was that the ESPN folks were much more diverse in their opinions about the AFC and NFC East. Could this be because they actually analyzed these teams and saw the warts of the favored Jets and Cowboys whereas for teams on the West Coast, they didn’t do any homework? I’m not saying San Diego and San Francisco won’t win their divisions, but 16 out of 16 is ludicrous. That’s where Graham and ESPN deserve criticism- it’s in their unoriginality. It makes them not worth reading, not unethical.
“Unethical” would be the buffalobills.com passing off their PR department as journalism. If you want ethical, original journalism stick to local media and well-run blogs and stay away from league-sponsored garbage and media giants that are too big to sweat details anymore. Good journalism is in the details and let’s readers form opinions on their own.
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by Port Royal on Sep 3, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Well put.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't call Graham unethical...
I said he was commericial media. One with an agenda. Ratings. Clicks. New York is a bigger media town. Drool over the Jets…get the clicks. ESPN is an entertainment company not a news company. Wanna keep your job,? Get the clicks.
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Bingo
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree.
Since he posts Brian’s articles sometimes on the ESPN blog,
I would think he may have read this thread.
Looks like he is doing some damage control :)
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/17408/at-very-least-bills-have-been-fun-to-watch
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/17402/bills-last-to-first-hopes-have-precedent
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 4, 2010 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Since he posts Brian’s articles sometimes on the ESPN blog,
I should have said links to Brian’s articles to be factually correct.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 4, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Was thinking the same thing..
But prolly a coinkydink…
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by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Sep 3, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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