How long will it take for Maybin to develop?
by keysh67 on Sep 20, 2010 8:53 AM EDT
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PrintI expected Packers to give us a spanking this weekend, not a very big surprise. The only good news is that I am in a survival pool and I should be able to stay in it for a while because I intend on betting against my beloved Bills for most of the season. I am a realist, we need to hit rock bottom before climbing back up and I think this year will be the bottoming out year. All I ask is to see improvements where we've invested in the past few years,
Power Running game: Lynch (2007#12), Spiller (2010#9), Wood (2009#28) and Levitre (2009#51)
Passing Defense: McKelvin (2008#11), Maybin 2009(#11), Byrd (2009#42), Paul Posluszny (2007#34)
I don't know about you guys but WOW, Clay Matthews is exiting to watch, he's a beast! And it is increasingly difficult for me to watch all these players (that we had the chance to draft) develop into into defensive centerpieces while our first rounder from 2009 continues to count the daisies on game day. At what point do we start to use the word bust?
We used a #11 on the great Aaron Maybin, a guy who has now played in 20 games, has managed a total of 0 sacks, 0 PDs, 0 INTs, 1 FF, 8 AssT and a whoping 12 SoloTs
Clay Matthews yesterday had 3 sacks, 5 AssTs & 5 QHs. His career totals are: played in 18 games, 16 sacks, 8 PDs, 0 INTs, 2FF, 14 AssTs and 49 SoloTs - Who thinks he was a steal at #26?
Brian Cushing has played 18 games, has 5 sacks, 10PDs, 4INTs, 2FFs, 47AssTs and a cool 87 SoloTs - Was he worth the #15th overall pick?
Brian Orakpo who has played in 17 games has 11 sacks, 3PDs, 0INTs, 1FF, 14 AssTs and 38 SoloTs
Some might say that we need to give the kid time to develop and that Maybin is only 22 years old but I would answer that maybe we shouldn't be drafting guys this young, maybe we should be targeting seniors, guys that can come in and make a quicker impact? Even so, drafting a young guy should not have to be this painful to watch!
It's hard for me to comprehend how we could pass on all three of those guys, thinking that Maybin would be superior. Not only did we pass on Cushing once but we actually passed on him twice because we had the power to move up a few slots and still get him but we didn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Eric Wood and I think he's going to become a fine football player and will be a Buffalo Bill for a very long time but he's no game changer! A guy like Matthews absolutely terrorizes opposing offenses and can single-handedly affect the game plan.
Even the other guys like Larry English, Robert Ayers and second rounders like Everett Brown, Connor Barwin and even Paul Kruger all have produced more than Aaron Maybin. At what point go we start using the word Bust?
Isn't it normal to want to see some improvement from week to week? At what point does it become acceptable to call him a Bust? Better yet, at what point do we pull the plug and move on? How can we expect to win football games against high powered passing attacks when our best hope for a sack is our Nose tackle? Kyle had two penalties yesterday but I'll tell you folks, he's a hustler and he's really trying his best to get into the backfield and be disruptive - it's too bad his heart couldn't be placed into Maybin's body because we'd have one hell of a player.
Right now Maybin is taking up a valuable spot on our 53 man roster. Given that this will be our bottoming out year, I am personally willing to give him the remainder of the year but if he does not start showing us why we wasted such a high draft pick on him soon, I'll be willing to throw in the towel and scratch him off as a failure and a bust!
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A number 11 pick who hasn't done anything to this point is a BUST!
But that doesn’t mean he won’t develop soon. . . I hate releasing Bills players just to see them contribute elsewhere the next year.
Which is why I think he needs to be getting as much playing time as possible this year because it’s a lost year anyways and if at the end he is still struggling then – cut him in the off season.
Is there something that the coaching staff is not doing? Can his putrid performance to date be blamed on any other factors than him being a bust? We gave him a chance as DE and everyone said that he should be a rush OLB (including me) and he is as much a non factor if not more… I’d love for him to prove me wrong but I’m pretty certain that he’s just a bust.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I think they'll wait for the last 6 games or so
Maybin is so completely overwhelmed out there that when he’s on the field it’s like a virtual power play for the opposing team. While developing Maybin should be a goal for this lost season, giving him playing time that he hasn’t come close to earning this early in the season would hinder the development of the rest of the defense in my opinion.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Maybin
He’ll have next training camp to prove he isn’t. At this point in time, you can certianly PROJECT him to be a bust (I’d bet the house on it), but you can’t definitively label him one yet. While he still looks like a fan who won a contest when he’s on the field, the team is so bad, that they can afford to give him some playing time down the stretch this season. If he still looks worthless next training camp, it will not be unreasonable to send him to Erik Flowers/Bucky Brooks/James Hardy-ville.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
You know it’s difficult to watch the Bills. Certainly is.
It gets more difficult when we have to deal with the incessant whining of fans who expect project players to suddenly stand up and charge the field in a HoF fashion.
Take a deep breath, step back, and give guys who have a single year in the NFL time to develop.
I’m as frustrated with the fan base as I am with the Bills anymore.
It gets more difficult when we have to deal with the incessant whining of fans who expect project players to suddenly stand up and charge the field in a HoF fashion.
Is it really wise drafting project players at #11?
Isn’t rounds 4-7 where you pick up projects?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 21, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So this question is assuming he will develop?!?!
:)
I’d love for him to become an actual threat, but watching this guy play, he just looks so out of place.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’d like to see him get as many reps as humanly possible. I think he’s just a boy in a man’s game but hopefully i’m wrong but we’ll never know if we don’t let him try to learn and prove himself. This way if he doesn’t show any improvement whatsoever, then you know that pass-rush is high on the priority list for 2011
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
But he's so young!!!!
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ah…….screw it.,
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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin looks harmless ...
but there aren’t too many Bills players out there that look great either, so maybe the young boy gets a break, but yes it is painful to see the rest of the draft class produce while we sit back with our fingers crossed still with uncertainty.
by buffalo bennie on Sep 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Keeping Maybin after this year could be a problem
I certainly think the Bills need to give Maybin the rest of this season and next year’s training camp to develop, as Keysh suggests, but if he doesn’t start performing like a #11 pick then it will become essential to cut him for the good of the team. Keeping him on the roster with his ridiculous salary (relative to his ability) another year will start to eat at other players who are producing a lot more and getting paid far less. We saw a sign of this in Eric Wood’s taunt at Maybin during training camp this year. He could start to undermine morale if he remains a bust and gets another year.
it’s too bad his heart couldn’t be placed into Maybin’s body because we’d have one hell of a player
not sure what you mean by this – from what I’ve heard and can tell he certainly has the determination and work ethic
Listen! You smell something?
I am not privy to internal stuff but from what I see it looks like Maybin doesn’t spend much time trying to get better with his technique, instead hoping his natural speed will prevail. He looks like a very immature kid on the field, especially when he barely makes a play and celebrates like he just stripped a QB and scored a TD. He certainly does not project the image of a hard worker with a lot of heart. Full of ego and devoid of heart is what it seems to me.
Kyle Williams on the other hand is the total opposite, a low key guy that works hard at his craft and only gets better and he plays with so much heart, he never gives up! And he seems like the most humble player on that defense, he lets his play talk for itself.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
he lets his play talk for itself
because he’s a better player – but from everything i’ve read and seen Maybin is one of the hardest workers on the team.
that’s not translating now but it certainly is out there.
Listen! You smell something?
He was a 5th round draft pick that wasn’t blessed with awesome talent but with hard work and even more heart he’s made himself into the keystone of our D-Line. He improved from game to game since he’s entered the league.
Maybin on the other hand is blessed with great athleticism but yet doesn’t seem to learn anything from each game. Instead of perfecting his craft and arsenal of techniques he basically keeps doing the same moves over and over again without any success. His holdout was very indicative of what type of person he is. Also, instead of trying to get help from guys who were pillars of this team like Schobel, he goes out and recruits NFL cast off Lavar Arrington to be his mentor. So far he’s done absolutely nothing to indicate that he is serious about wanting to get better IMO
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
wanting to get better IMO
yes – yours is based off of opinion. mine is based off of articles and people from within the organization – that’s really all im’ saying keysh – i think you pulled that one out of no where so i asked you about it. i woudln’t say it if i hadn’t read it a couple times – but i have – i really don’t care eitherw ay – i want him to be a sack master and be productive. but the kid works hard from all indications – it hasn’t translated and he is sucking so maybe thats why you said it.
Listen! You smell something?
by J2 on Sep 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I am basing my statement entirely on what I perceive to be reality not based on anything else.
If in fact Maybin is a relentless worker maybe he should consider changing his studying methods and maybe he should consider finding a new mentor, cause the way he’s been studying ain’t working. I suspect that he is one of the biggest gym rats, which is probably where the “hard work” comments are originating from. I suspect that his film & technique work are somewhat laxing, which explains the poor play or any sign of improvement. Maybe he’s just not that smart and is unable to study? Who knows.
I too hope that he suddenly finds a way to quickly improve because we really need him and we can’t afford to have wasted that pick.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
How many teams passed on Clay Matthews
Every team in the league wpould love to have this kid, but he was drafted # 26 we werent the only team that passed on him.
Same with Cushing 14 other teams passed on him aswell and he won DROY
48 picks went by before someone grabbed Jarius Byrd, you would think any team in the league would have loved to have his 9 INT’s last year.
We cant constantly talk about who we didnt draft the league doesnt work that way last year we did not need an OLB we needed OL and for 2 years in a row we havent addressed it. WIth Butler retiring that hurt us pretty bad, put us in a bad situation because now both outside guys are new to the system, our Offense needs to be blown up
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I never agreed with the Maybin pick
I strongly believe that first rounders should be seniors with at least 2-3 years of solid starts. The problem with drafting “project” guys like Maybin is that they are way too high risk for being busts. Needy teams like Buffalo must make sure that every first round pick counts so drafting a 1y wounder is not very smart drafting strategy.
How can you say that we didn’t have a need at OLB? Do you think Ellison was the solution? Do you think Mitchell is that dominant?
I agree with you that Butler retiring was a big blow. I was very disappointed that the bills didn’t take Claussen, especially when he was on the board in Rd2. I am anxious to see how well he does in Carolina. I agree with you that it would have been nice to address the line before the 5th round but I also agree with Nix’x comments, saying that the two top guys that they were targeting were gone so they drafted talent over need (which i agree with) and more importantly, he fits my criteria for a first rounder a senior with very consistent production over 4 years.
I’ve been hoping that Nix can find a way to trade our 2011 2nd for McNeil so that we can use our first round selection for Locker who I still think is the superior QB coming out in 2011. I like Andrew Luck also but he’s a junior with little experience and wouldn’t it be weird to draft another QB from Stanford?
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Maybin
Bust, not even a question the pick was a bust. To be sucessful our team has to draft sucessfully, to me that means picking players that can contribute right away, not three years from now. Yep both pick and player are a bust, IMO. Jury still out on our #9 this year.
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I'm sorry to say.....BUST!
He can barely get on the field! How can someone who can’t beat out Kelsay be considered anything but a bust. I burst out laughing at his “pirouette” rush (dance?) yesterday. He danced right into the tackles arms. He is not an NFL caliber player.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
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