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Bills Show Signs Of Life, But Fall 38-30 To Patriots

Ryan Fitzpatrick - aided by a young and highly suspect New England Patriots defense - was the spark that Chan Gailey hoped he'd be, but two critical second-half interceptions prevented the Buffalo Bills from perhaps pulling off a monumental upset in Foxborough. Buffalo dropped their third consecutive game by a final of 38-30.

Fitzpatrick completed 20 of 28 passes for 247 yards and two scores - one to C.J. Spiller, the other to Steve Johnson - and added 18 rushing yards, but interceptions to Patrick Chung and Brandon Meriweather prevented Buffalo from coming all the way back in the second half. Led by Marshawn Lynch, Buffalo also ran for 134 yards on just 24 attempts, and aside from the turnovers and a missed Rian Lindell field goal, pretty much did whatever they wanted offensively.

Spiller's receiving score was his first as a professional, and he also added a 95-yard kick return for a score in the third quarter to cut New England's lead to 24-23.

The real story of the game, however, was the lackluster effort by Buffalo's defense. Tom Brady completed 21 of 27 passes for 252 yards with three scores - two to Randy Moss, the third to WNY native Rob Gronkowski - and was sacked just once. A forced fumble and subsequent recovery aside, New England, too, did whatever they wanted to offensively, as the Pats also rushed for a whopping 200 yards. BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Danny Woodhead each scored on the ground.

As far as reasonable expectations go, this was a fun game to watch on occasion. Buffalo came into this contest with 17 total points in two games, so there were obvious strides made. Still, Buffalo had this game handed to them on a silver platter, and turnovers and untimely penalties ruined their chances at victory. Baby steps are fine, but there's a long, long way to go.

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Add another notch in the moral victory belt............

because thats so much better than actually winning.

Oh well.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey! Don’t hate the fans who felt better about this week. You just gotta set your sights low enough!

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well than you wouldn’t be comparing a moral victory to a win. You’d be comparing a moral victory to that last two weeks, which were unmitigated disasters. By comparison, this week was a revelation. Football!

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please.........

we’ve seen it all before…………the last few years…………a couple of crappy games, followed by a “close loss” that gets people excited again…….only to end up right back where we are.

Frankly I’ll take a crappy win over a “great loss” any day.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone would, but thats not exactly the choice is it?

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope..........

which is why I dont have to be happy about the close loss either……….my choice :-)

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobodys excited

you can still be proud of your team for putting up a good effort when the talent gap was enormous in that game.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im proud of kids that fight like that...........

I expect grown men to fight like that………….

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on all your comments im not sure why you would expect them to seeing as how you viewed them the last two weeks.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least there's hope...

With Edwards there was none.

by telka on Sep 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

another FACT

Bills scored more points today (30) versus NE than either of the Pats’ first 2 foes this year (Cincy/Ocho/TO… “an undisputable playoff team,” (24), and ESPN/Rex-proclaimed super bowl “hopefuls” the NYJets (28)…
Two close, tough penalty calls in the 3rdQ make this a much closer game.
Good guts to Fitz and O. D must step it up on short yardage vs. Jets.

by JDHL on Sep 26, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So what’s up with the rumors about Edwards being shopped around? I’d imagine if any team would take him it might be Arizona. We’d get at most a bag of footballs and a double cheeseburger.

by Dana H on Sep 26, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We have a thread dedicated to that very topic on the home page. :)

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double cheeseburgers for all Bills fans?

I am really hankering one right now!

"SO LETS GET ON IN THIS BUS cause this is the year we are coming to KICK SOME #$^u%*$% GODZILLA IS COMING BE READY" - abayarde

by NJBillsfan on Sep 26, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?
The real story of the day, however, was the lackluster effort by Buffalo’s defense

How is that the real story of the day, Brian?

The real story of the day is absolutely, 100%, the performance of the offense. We walked into that game as by far the worst offense in the league, averaging 8 pts a game and dropped 30 pts in Foxboro. I know its easy to be negative right now, but the offense is most definitely the real story and in a positive way.

We couldn’t run, we couldn’t pass, we couldn’t get a first down, our receivers couldn’t do anything and in this game everyone on the offense outside of the tackles played well.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

come on

you are going to compare their defense to our offense from the first two games? That was a historically bad offense.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

New England’s defense could be historically bad, too. No, the way the offense performed exceeded my expectations, but I expected improvement, because the Pats are that bad.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But did you expect 23 points, and so few punts? Be honest. Unfortunately all the rest that got our D didn’t seem to help them.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said they exceeded my expectations, didn’t I?

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

the ‘but I expected improvement’ made it sound like a backhanded compliment. Which I think it was…

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it kind of was. I’m trying to explain why I think the poor defensive effort was the big story of the game.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know they scored 30 points, right? or were you just not counting the return td?

by teddymv on Sep 26, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was talking specifically about the offense.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

fix

The most deciding factor was the lackluster effort by Buffalo’s defense

I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body.--Dave Barry

by Undee on Sep 26, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

the best story: fitz/offense
the deciding factor, biggest “looming issue”: run D, pass D, third down conversions, no pass rush… just, the D

by JjR in TO on Sep 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You left out sloppy (or no) tackling…..of course, I think that goes w/ run D, pass D, third down, etc.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 26, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed a few missed tackles by Andra Davis. Kelsay had one or two also, not really a $24 million performance.

by JjR in TO on Sep 26, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

we were perfect in the red zone though. 1st in the league. That isn’t considered worst…
wait wait
we were only there once so i guess we were that bad

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by joshd12 on Sep 26, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

baby steps

I will gladly take this game. They showed some life (offensively), and it shows how awful edwards was. Hope is alive! It may take a while but it is alive!

by bpg425 on Sep 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Buffalo had this game handed to them on a silver platter,

But, alas, they are used to eating off paper plates.

What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.

by fansince60 on Sep 26, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

again, what?

what is up with this attitude. I just dont get it. When we beat the Jets last year, the game was handed to us on a silver platter, when we play the Pats to the final minutes it was handed to us on a silver platter but when we lose to the Dolphins by less than a touchdown we are the worst team ever.

This game was most definitely not handed to us on a silver platter. Fitz made some tough plays, threw into tight coverage, scrambled for tough yards, Marshawn was fighting on every hand off, CJ Spiller gave us an explosive burst, Randy Moss and Welker were carving us up, Benjarvus Green Ellis was decimating us on the ground, big Kyle was playing his heart out, Lee Evans and Roscoe Parrish were making yards after the catch. NOTHING WAS HANDED TO US. We battled back and forth with a great team and worked hard for the chance to be in this game.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I kind of agree

Except last year that Jets game absolutely was handed to the Bills. Today, not so much. They played somewhat well, outside of the defense, and definitely made some big plays finally.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that settles it

debate over. K thinks we played somewhat well, and he is most definitely not an optimist but the blog’s resident realist.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tell it how I see it

You know that!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am with you guys

It was a fun game to watch. As much as I would have liked to see a win, at least it was a competitive, entertaining game. At this point, that is all I can hope for.

If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.

by Joe P. on Sep 26, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree,

it was fun to watch and showed that the offense line is better than advertised by Trent. Fitz was able to move in the pocket a little and get time to make playes.

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Sep 26, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that the silver platter comment was a little over the top. We had our chances. But at the end of the day Tom Brady + all day to pass = New England win every time.

by Applsoss on Sep 26, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

tom brady had

all day to pass

just to make that clear

I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body.--Dave Barry

by Undee on Sep 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. I don’t want to hear about how terrible the secondary looked unless it starts with the lack of pass rush. No one can cover these receivers for 10 seconds while Brady goes though his progressions 3 times.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya on this Poz

and as far as the defense, what else would you expect when facing NE and Tom Brady. However, NE’s defense has some definite problems. Giving up 30 pts. to the lowest ranked team in the NFL is embarressing, to say the least. Add to that the 10 pts. we missed on. I’m happy that the offense finally fought throughout the game.

by blknites on Sep 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?
We battled back and forth with a great team and worked hard for the chance to be in this game.

The Pats are no longer a great team.

Out defense is atrocious. We cannot get pressure on an opposing QB with a four man rush, so what do we do? We rush three, then two. I am sick of it. We get totally run over by the likes of a Woodhead and a guy with four names.

Our Wang don’t Hang; it’s a Calloway Wood cause we got Levitre.

by ChipShot on Sep 26, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol.

This made me chuckle.

We get totally run over by the likes of a Woodhead and a guy with four names.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I thought it was a 4 back set! I kept saying they had too many men on the field.

What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.

by fansince60 on Sep 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as they have Tom Brady

Randy Moss and Wes Welker they will be great.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those three don't play defense the l;ast time I checked...

but they probably could for the Bills.

Our Wang don’t Hang; it’s a Calloway Wood cause we got Levitre.

by ChipShot on Sep 26, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

last time I checked

Tom Brady is a hall of fame QB and thats usually all you need to be a great team.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Randy Moss was an all state corner back at dupont (watched him play a couple of times)

by CarJak_101 on Sep 27, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Except for the Jets game last year, I couldn’t agree more.

Sanchez kinda handed us that game…like 6 times.

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby. That’s what we’ve got to do. We’ve got to show you the baby, and the baby is winning." - Buddy Nix

by Schwing9 on Sep 27, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

well this makes me a little more optimistic. A win would have been awesome but I didn’t even expect them to keep it so competitive so I guess I’ll take what I can get. Time to start binge drinking =P

by Dana H on Sep 26, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Refs

Thought the refs were a subtle factor. I didn’t see a lot of concrete evidence to overturn the first down spot at the end of the half. That cost Buffalo anywhere from 3 to 10 points. i thought there was much more evidence to overturn the spot on New England’s last drive, but they hardly seemed interested…the unnecessary celebration on Johnson was ticky tack in a big spot…it was no worse than Brady’s celebration following his first down scramble and that was greeted with applause from CBS.

Kudos to Gailey for benching #5, Spiller for making a huge contribution, and Ryan Fitzpatrick for allowing the offense to function. Jeers to Keith Ellison who was a disaster in coverage today. If he can’t do even that, his roster spot can be utilized somewhere else.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 26, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You can say this about 75% of the team........probably more.
If he can’t do even that, his roster spot can be utilized somewhere else.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Given the first two weeks, this has to be one of the best losses I’ve experienced in a while. Doesn’t mean much, but I’d rather lose ugly then get thoroughly embarrassed. Gotta at least enjoy the moral victories or its gonna be a long season of sad faces.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely
the unnecessary celebration on Johnson was ticky tack in a big spot

I’ll say! That was one of the best celebrations I’ve ever seen, especially paired with Brady’s outburst, Bills scored the theatrical victory today.

I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body.--Dave Barry

by Undee on Sep 26, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, but at least

now we get to talk about how bad the defense is for a week. We can put the offense as talking point 2 for once

by Kooz on Sep 26, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

no way
The real story of the day, however, was the lackluster effort by Buffalo’s defense.

Disagree 100%.

The story of the day was the Bills showing signs of life and putting 30 on the board. The D being terrible was predictable. I’m surprised Moss didn’t have a bigger game. Watching our safeties playing a step or two late is par for the course. Whitner and Byrd have such poor recognition and reaction skills. They are so slow to diagnose plays over the middle, or at least to react to them and get in on the play.

Glad to see Spiller make a bigger impact. He looked a little more decisive with the ball today, but still has a ways to go. He still needs more touches on offense.

One of these years we’ll field a respectable front 7 right? That run defense and pass rush is as bad as any team’s in the league. Just brutal.

I’m happy that this game was fun to watch and the team showed some signs of life. They still stink, but at least they went down fighting today and showed that maybe they won’t be so painful to watch. Good to see some improvement.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

I’m happy that this game was fun to watch and the team showed some signs of life. They still stink, but at least they went down fighting today and showed that maybe they won’t be so painful to watch. Good to see some improvement.

That’s my big take-away today as well. Sorry to see us lose again, but happy to see a step in the right direction.

Now to work on those next steps…

"We can't injure our elbows patting ourselves on the back." --Chan Gailey

by Caymon on Sep 26, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually thought the problem was more the run defense today than the pass defense. On the pass D it seemed to me that McKelvin and Bryan Scott both had a really good game. The biggest weakness of all, though, was the pass rush (which is no surprise).

by Macktruck on Sep 26, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leo was good

The rest of the pass D was pretty bad. The TE’s and the underneath garbage hurt us. That’s having LB’s that can’t cover anything and safeties that are pretty poor in coverage. The corners played pretty well outside of one of them….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

K, you are forgetting some really impressive pass break-ups that Scott had on Hernandez once he switched off with Ellison. Scott remains by far our best cover guy on TE’s (and perhaps one of the best in the league).

by Macktruck on Sep 26, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he made a good play

but tight ends tore us up. unless he was never on the field for those downs (i can’t imagine that was the case) he deserves some ofthe blame…

CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.

by JPH on Sep 26, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They started out using Keith Ellison as the ILB covering TE’s, then sometime toward the end of the second quarter they switched to Scott, so he in fact played only a little more than half the game. Once he came in the TE’s stopped tearing us up (Hernandez was pretty quiet from that time on, and of course Scott as an ILB was not the one assigned to cover Gronko in the endzone for that TD).

by Macktruck on Sep 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but the secondary has a part in that run D. McKelvin (and Florence) lost outside contain on one of the TD runs. Byrd started to look like Whitner on some missed tackles. I agree that their pass D wasn’t that poor. But their tackling/run fits looked very bad.

by DJ O on Sep 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In professional sports

there is no such thing as a “moral victory” – ask any coach. Everyone is paid big bucks to do one thing: win. Anything less is unacceptable. This ain’t Little League.

by ccthemovieman on Sep 26, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Screw the coach, he can’t enjoy a moral victory, but ask the fans, they will disagree

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herm Edwards

You play to win the game!

by FergusonQB12 on Sep 26, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

George Edwards

Not if you want to pick top 5

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i used to be a fan of this argument, but not any more. after watching a bunch of top prospects play qb yesterday, and the subsequent lack of big time tackles and rush linebackers, i’m not so sure there’s any reason to want to pick top 5 next year. it might just lead to 10 more years of heartbreak.

by quantumuprising on Sep 26, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chan.

Is gonna have the bus make a stop on the way to the airport so everybody get a consolation ice cream cone.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said this was a moral victory?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they said the Bills played well at times

and in certain areas?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah great, had some good plays today..........they didnt completely suck....

so next week when the offense plays like crap and the defense plays decent enough against a medicore Jets Offense………then what?

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

Seriously, quit being so negative ABOUT EVERYTHING. We are talking about today and the Bills played well at times today. I don’t understand why it’s so tough for you to ever admit that. There’s no moral victory in that, just making an observation about what we saw out there.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about today too.......

just happened to add some stuff in for next week too.

DId they not have some good plays today and not completely suck?

I did just say that didnt I?

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was drenched in sarcasm

or certainly appears that way.

If the D plays well next week, can’t we say that? Nobody would be saying these guys are great and the team needs no defensive help going forward.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can say whatever we want.........

but why should I be satisfied with just showing up and hanging with the Pats?

Why cant I wallow about a loss for a bit?

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats right. And I say it is a moral victory. :-)

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great.......

that and a buck gets you a nice warm cup of coffee.

:-)

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said you have to be satisfied?

Is it really that hard to just make a compliment or say someone played well??? I guess it might be.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it many times during the gameday thread.........

when it happend………really the only thing that matters is winning.

I guarantee you any of the guys in the lockerroom would say the exact same thing.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we shouldnt

talk about who played well? And we’re not in the locker room anyway. We’re fans. Things like seeing our team progress do matter to us even if not to them.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not stopping any of you guys from talking about who played well.........

I havent in this thread responded negatively to anyone who said people in particular played well………

Although Im sure if I have you’ll tell me :-)

Instead Im responding to people who tell me I should be looking at the bright side of yet another loss.

Talk about positives all you guys want………..for today, for now………I’d rather bemoan yet another loss.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all I was saying

Despite the fact it WAS entertaining and it was nice to see some exciting offensive plays – a lot of fun to see – but in the end, if you’re a Bills fan, you can’t be satisfied with a loss…..and a lot of people sounded satisfied. I’m sorry – I’ve just never bought into that “moral victory” thing.

by ccthemovieman on Sep 26, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, winning is all that matters

We’re not in the locker room, though. We talk about more than just wins and losses. Why can’t we make comments about things that worked well without that being torched? That’s all it is.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me where I torched anyone?

This all started on a response to me and CC for being upset at the Loss overall…..

All i have been doing is defending my position on the game.

I havent attacked anyone for their position.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

the negativity on this blog is getting preposterous. Everyone was so sure all week talking about how the Bills were going to get smoked, basically implying that they shouldn’t even show up. You all were having a good old time saying CJ Spiller was a wasted pick and then they go out and put up a heck of an effort and CJ gives us 14 pts and now your sights have changed to taking shots when they lose close games in the division champions house. The criticism is starting to get pretty hollow if its this fickle, no matter how many cliches you want to use.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Even I think it's over the top

Some people just can’t or don’t want to praise in areas where praise is due.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills did get smoked........

They couldnt stop NE…………..New England stopped themselves a couple of times.

It just so happens that NE’s defense is bad enough to let a craptastic offense put up 30 points on them (Well 24 points) ST contributed alot.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

your changing your definition of smoked now and you know it, which in and of itself is an inadvertent admission that the Bills played better than you expected.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay the offense played better than I expected........

and the defense played worse than I expected.

SO what?

It worked out the same way it always does.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

no they didnt
and the defense played worse than I expected.

You expected us to get absolutely smoked in a blowout, that means you expected the defense to perform EXACTLY like they did.

So the defense performed as you expected and the offense performed better than you expected and you are just intentionally trying to wallow in how you feel about the game instead of acknowledging progress, which is what you need to get moving off rock bottom.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont recall giving any score in any thread of what I expected the game to end up.......

I expected the margin of defeat to be greater than 8………..

I didnt expect Tom Brady to be able to do whatever he wanted…….or 8 different people to combine to run for 200+ yards against the Bills……..

Honestly they could have scored more if they wanted………

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok ill just drop it

but your comments all week made it quite clear you did not expect a close game……..

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

you did say in the "I want to beat New England so bad" post that you were expecting 63-0….Obviously you were just making a light hearted point but I thought it was still meant to highlight that you didnt expect us to score many points and that you expected the Pats to score a lot of points…..Guess I misinterpreted.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I grossly grossly overestimated the Pats Defense.........

For one week atleast the Bills offense looked capable………

But as usually in Bills fashion when one unit shines another one picks up the slack of suck……..

And the result is still the same………a loss.

Btw – I totally forgot I even made that post………

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats all fair and fine

but you still expected the defense to get points hung all over them and they did, so its not like underperformed to your expectations. We knew our D was going to get scored on. Its an offense with multiple hall of famers on it and our D is young.

Btw – I totally forgot I even made that post………

I spend way too much time on this blog when I should be working haha

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by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last four games vs the Bills the Pats have scored

25, 17, 20, 13………..

The Bills have played them relatively well the last couple of years………..

Hardly hanging a bunch of points on them……..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont get it. Its still not what you expected though, those are true facts but you still posted a comment that made it quiet clear you were expecting to get points hung on us, irrespective of the facts your showing me now. We played quite well, in those last few games the Pats also didnt have to score more points to keep up with our own offense.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My whole point is whether you lose by 63 or by 1.......

(or by 8)

None of it is, or should be okay…………..

Hell even Chan Gailey said last week if you are okay with a loss, we dont want you around.

And Im not okay with a loss………regardless of my expectation of said loss.

I have no more room in my Bills fandom for silver linings………

I’d rather have the gold ring.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that is your right

But I dont see why you have to claim the defense performed below your expectations and use that point in a debate.

I get your philosophy on losing and I respect it. But you stated that the defense played worse than you expected as a point in a debate and then proceeded to defended that statement. My point is that it just isnt true. The defense played precisely like we all expected it to and its unfair to say otherwise.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're just going round and round........

Im not going over it again

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we reached a conclusion

I think we’ve established that the defense played exactly as we expected it to but that you are entitled to be upset about a loss even if we play well.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I will never expect the defense to give up 200 yards on the ground

and let any quarterback complete over 70% of his passes.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok then..

guess we have taken this little debate as far as it will go.

We at least got to eat up a good portion of the thread!

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When have the Pats ever layed off???

The scored as much as they could. Period.

They could not convert a first when they really wanted to when trying to run their 4 min offense.

by lonestar_ak on Sep 26, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

This is what I expected from the defense. I expected to get 30-40 hung up on us..

I just don’t get why they are so afraid to play a full cover 2 zone sometimes in the nickle and dime to mix it up. There is a reason we have no picks this year.

I also didn’t expect to get run on like that. It was so bad that with all the man to man coverage, bellichik was using his receivers routes to take away run support at the second level by having the defenders backs to where the run was going or moving away from it. They really need to start mixing up coverages better, it is becoming very predictable.

Offense

They did exceed expectations, I thought 17 would be the best they could put up.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills defense has stopped the Pats in the past.......

The Bills usually play the Pats pretty close (minus a few games here and there over this streak)

So playing them close wasnt suprising to me.

June Jones is my daddy.

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very well said. Couldn’t agree more.
It’s still a loss, but it was a heck of a lot better than the demoralizing stomping from GB last week. That counts for something.

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by bflogrl on Sep 26, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exciting game at least.....

Buffalo could’ve won the game. The 2 INTs were bad, and so were some of the penalties, but you still felt there was a chance to win until Bellichick found out to keep running at Kelsay!!! 200+ yards on the ground; the Bills run defense make the NE RBs like superstars. One of them was signed recently as a WR, but turned into a RB against the Bills and scored a TD.

You sort of expected 250+yards by Brady. It’s the run defense, and especially outside the right tackle (Kelsay’s responsibility) that cost the Bills the game.

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by moncheri on Sep 26, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The Bills 2010 Superbowl

The 2010 Bills Superbowl is week 16 New England Patriots
Sun, 12/26 at 1:00 PM EST
Ralph Wilson Stadium

I have seen women walk right past a TV set with a football game on and - this always amazes me - not stop to watch, even if the TV is showing replays of what we call a "good hit," which is a tackle that causes at least one major internal organ to actually fly out of a player's body.--Dave Barry

by Undee on Sep 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

This team...

lacks talent everywhere. We need at least two more drafts to fix this. Oh, and they must be better drafts than we are used to around here. In the next two drafts, the Bills need:
2 Tackles.
2 Tight Ends.
1 WR
1 FRANCHISE Quarterback. (No more trying to get lucky)
4 Linebackers (3 if one of Moats, Batten, or Coleman work out)
2 Defensive linemen (1 if Carrington works out)
2 Defensive backs (Does anyone still think that we have a good secondary? Whitner is terrible, Byrd is in the wrong defense, Wilson is a good story, and Scott is a great reserve. McKelvin has shown signs of life, but Florence and McGee are getting old, Corner is SLOW, and Youboty is an FA after this season and doesn’t play all that much anyway.)

That’s 14 new players. We have 7 picks per year. This will be a L O N G rebuild. But maybe, hopefully, they get it right.

by Boogie on Sep 26, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

2 Tackles – Bell isn’t playing poorly. Let’s see if our young OL can fill in at RT.
2 Tight Ends – Nelson isn’t back yet but I agree another 4th round TE may help us
1 WR – Easley will be back next year. We do need a solid #2 WR. Parrish has been playing VERY well.
1 QB – okay, no arguments there…
4 LBs – Davis and Poz are pretty solid in MLB. We do need 2 OLBs though
2 DL – I think we need more than that. Stroud is aging, Williams is a stopgap at best, where is the rest of our depth?
2 DBs – McGee and McKelvin have been playing well but a good nickel CB would be great too.

I personally think the focus needs to be on our LB corp and getting a solid QB.

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Sep 26, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you should probably knock that down to 1 tackle

Bell looked pretty good, although he may be a better long term fit on the right. Maybin and Ellis have also shown some signs at the linebacker position. There are also quite a few holes that could be filled via free agency, the rebuild doesn’t have to be done entirely through the draft.

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin and Ellis have also shown some signs at the linebacker position

i think the only tackle i saw maybin have today was of a guy who already tripped and was on the ground

by quantumuprising on Sep 26, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that.

Maybin kind of flopped on him, just to be sure he got credit?

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your assessment of our secondary is ridiculous.

They are far from terrible. Tom Brady just burned them all day, but most of his passes went to crossing patterns by backs and tight ends, which is the linebacking corps’ responsibility. And there is no pass rush, which gave Brady hours to throw it. The secondary got burned today, but just as much of the responsibility rests on the front 7’s shoulders. Overall, they are a good unit.

by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to say

about the secondary mainly because there is zero pass rush. I will say they do not cover quick slants and short stuff to the tight ends and that is not a pass rush problem.

prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13

by jpheff on Sep 26, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is if they are on their heels worried about giving up the deep stuff because Brady has all day.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s also not generally a secondary problem. Slants and tight ends are the linebackers’ job, for the most part.

by stetzwebs on Sep 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

First things first...

If the Bills DO draft a franchise QB, this offseason needs to focus on the offense. If they want to give that QB a chance to develop and not run for his life, the Bills need to get at least 1 if not 2 solid tackles. Otherwise on offense, I think the Bills need minimal help. I think Nelson will step in quite nicely at TE, think we have a chance of seeing one of the young WR’s developing into a solid #2. They could pick up another TE and WR for depth. Of all those moves, I’m guessing using the first round pick on a QB, go after a proven FA tackle, then a combo of FA’s and mid-late draft picks for another tackle, TE, WR.

Then on D, focus needs to be on the front 7. I think the Bills secondary is solid, and wouldn’t use a draft pick for it. But they can only stay in coverage so long. If the front 7 can’t get pressure on the QB, coverage is going to break down. The Bills need to anchor that DL and need playmakers at OLB.

All in all though, if the FO is active this next offseason, the Bills can put all the right pieces in place to be competitive. Draft: QB, OLB, DL, T, TE, WR. FA: T, DL, OLB.

Then don’t forget the PS and IR. At a minimum, there are some potential backups there. I don’t think the Bills are really as far as you think from becoming a playoff contender.

by jcey on Sep 26, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bench...Green...NOW!!!!

Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn

by NordicBillsfan on Sep 26, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Somebody start a fund to put up a billboard!
“CUT GREEN NOW”
Not bench him.
Cut him.

"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian & Jaeger

Looking forward to the unit and individual X and O analysis.

Looks like being exiled here in Kansas ain’t so bad. K-State and Chiefs season tickets. 7-0 between them! I’m getting hammered out here by my buddies, and wife (jeesh), about the Bills. She’s from Maine and therefore a Brady/Pats. Killin’ me :-) Although we’re starting to call them the “Chieftriots.” Pioli, Weis, Crenell, Cassel, Vrabel, etc… That’s what the Bills should have done (sigh).

by FergusonQB12 on Sep 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Chiefs are overrated. What ‘d give for that schedule. If only Matt Cassel didn’t look so much like Ryan Fitzpatrick back there they’d be for real. Luckily Moeaki and Charles are McCluster are playmakers (Bills could really use a Moeaki).

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big props Levitre

Spiller,Lynch, and Fitzie. Those guys really jumped out at me today. Ina good way.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Sep 26, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Roscoe had a great game too. Anybody know if it was a career high? It almost had to be.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Sep 26, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roscoe went 5 catches for 83 yards yesterday.

Against the Jets in 2006 he went 4 catches for 104 yards and a TD, the only game of his career better than yesterday.

He’s caught 6 passes three times but never for more than 50 yards.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as reasonable expectations go, this was a fun game to watch on occasion.

I agree 100% Brian.
And then our defense(less) got on the field.
Ugh.
That’s their new name now.
We actually have an offense. And on the other side of the ball, we have a defenseless.

Sidenote: I think Byrd is still hurt, he looked sloooooooooowwwwww today.

"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately

Byrd is slow. That’s why he was moved from CB in college to safety in the pros. He made plays last year by being in the right place. He just isn’t athletic enough to make plays based on that.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a week ago you would have told me that we'd score 30 on the Pats and hang in the game until the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter I woul have laughed in your face.

So while this isn’t a W in the win column, it’s still a win to me, and a very LARGE step in the right direction.

It also showed you what this team is capable of doing with a semi-decent QB that isn’t afraid to throw one down the field. Ok yes it is Fitzy’s overthrows that eventually cost us the game (especially the one on Parrish, if that had connected I think Roscoe would have taken it in for 6).

But this game showed what we could be with a good QB, re-enforcing the need to draft a QB in this year’s draft. This team may be closer to being a good team than a lot of people think.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 26, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m with you brother on Fitz….. but our Defenseless seriously sucked.
Sucked against the run.
Sucked against the middle of the field.
And sucked putting pressure on the QB.
1 sack. I think that was one of two plays that Brady was in trouble.

"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

fitzy vs edwards

I don’t see any difference what so ever except edwards wouldn’t of forced the passes that led to the int

by Gpluehri on Sep 26, 2010 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you’re right – he just would have taken the sack.

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Sep 26, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

as matter of fact he wouldn’t even have looked past 10 yards down the field. That would go against his MO.

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Sep 26, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ill take the sack over the turnover especially on first down

by billsburner on Sep 26, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But with TE in there, the Bills aren’t knocking on the doorstep giving him the option to take the sack or throw a pick. Yes, in that situation a sack still allows the Bills to put up 3 points. But if TE was in there, there’s no way the Bills are still that close in that game. I think that’s the point everyone’s trying to make.

by jcey on Sep 26, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully, I disagree. Fitz got the ball out quick most times and threw it for more than 3 yards for attempt.
Unlike Trent.
And he was mobile.
Unlike Trent.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it just seems this offensive game plan was built around fitzy and edwards was playing in it

And same with the oline built for a qb who can run for his life and not a qb who stands in the pocket if we could call it a pocket

by Gpluehri on Sep 26, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The thing is, Edwards doesn’t even stand in the pocket. He feels a false rush and bails, doesn’t step up, and when given time, rarely throws the ball acuse ‘no one is open’. People keep saying Edwards was ‘misused’ but I gotta say Fitz makes all passes, pocket or on the move, more consistently that Edwards.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you need to actually watch the game. Fitz makes plays, reads defenses, and avoids pressure. Trent gets sacked.

by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so having a passing game suits fitzy more than edwards?

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter what you do with Edwards, he just doesn’t have what it takes. I’ll admit I was once hopeful about him. That was back in ‘08 when the Bills had a nice start. Then he went down with his concussion and I haven’t seen that Edwards back. I was hopefull that maybe he was after he had a solid pre-season. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt in week 1. But there are only so many excuses you can make when a QB continually checks down, and doesn’t see wide-open WR’s.

by jcey on Sep 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

are u joking?

edwards wouldnt have stood in the pocket or had the nutz to throw half the passes Fitz did that game. I do see a difference and it shows on the scoreboard.

Fitz is willing to go downfield yea he tossed some ints but im willing to take those as opposed to not even having a chance to win games.

Got screwed by a few bad coaching moves. The “try and get them on the offsides”, burn a timeout and only get a FG crap. Gailey should be more hungry go for it on 4th and then bury the TD. Also we should have went for the 2 point conversion way before we were down by 8 in 4th quarter.

by Buffalove83 on Sep 26, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Signs of Improvement?

The O showed good signs of life today under Fitzy. Its clear that they react much better under him than Edwards but I think we all already knew that. Lynch ran well today and I would have liked to see him get some more touches especially early in the game he looked really good. Spiller really broke out today and that KO return was a thing of beauty (although it shouldnt have counted). But at this point I want to see if they can do this a couple weeks in a row only bc NE D is extremely young and they looked very bad today at times.

The D on the other hand got absolutely owned by NE. Brady as to be expected did what he wanted at will with no fear of anyone even being within 5 yards of him. There is soo much work that needs to be done on this side of the ball that I have no idea where to begin except to scrap the whole thing and try again.

All in all a competitive game that was at times enjoyable to watch but I believe most of us knew all along that we would find a way to lose this game and it seems like that is exactly what we did. We had a good opportunity to take a step forward and get a huuuge monkey off our back and we couldnt capitalize.

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by ajred12 on Sep 26, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Fitz has some fire back there. He clearly commands the offense. Trent doesn’t do that. Fitz never gives up. Fitz is not more skilled than Trent but he NEVER GIVES UP and tries to make a play. Trent just throws in the towel too much.

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Sep 26, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass protection

It was good to see Fitz sitting in the pocket on more than one occasion with lots of time to pass. The two picks were over-throws on his part.

Was New England’s pass rush that weak, or was it the respect they had for the downfield threat? We all know that the o-line can’t be responsible, right?

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by Storeybox on Sep 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

No idea what was up with our pass rush...

…but your O-Line was excellent. Tully Banta-Cain (our OLB that gave the Bills trouble last year) was benched for a rookie and no one knows why. Your interior line was awesome. They stopped Wilfork and they spent the whole game preventing the pocket from collapsing. They were able to get outside and set up the big runs. Your interior line was awesome to watch.

by Richard Hill on Sep 26, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your interior line was awesome to watch

This is exactly what we hope to see develop into a consistent thing with yougnster Wood and Levitre at guard.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bell looked pretty good today as well.

I wonder if Gathier would have interest in Buffalo.

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still wasnt happy with Bell’s performance though. He had a penalty in the first quarter and then in the second quarter didnt even touch the OLB he was assigned to block that directly led to Fitz getting sacked by Jerrod Mayo as he had to dodge Bell’s rusher who I believe was Tully Banta Cain. That cost us a touchdown in my opinion, we were on a roll and closing in on 6 and get thrust into a 3rd and long and kicked 3. Considering it was an 8 pt game, he and Green may have cost us the game, Green by false starting us into his own 3rd and long that made Lindell kick a 51 yarder. In my opinion, Bell and Green continue to prove they are the worst starting tackle duo in football, thats potentially 10 pts off the board between them and its getting unacceptable. Bell did look better as the game went on but what Pats pass rusher did look good?

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bell

is a work in progress. He isn’t where we would have hoped but is making progress. the mental mistakes need to be eliminated though, those are far more concerning than any physical mistakes.

by gatornation on Sep 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

the mental mistakes need to be eliminated though, those are far more concerning than any physical mistakes.

agreed and that is why I am so concerned about him and his potential. If he can’t get over the mental errors yet its disconcerting

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"

by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fred Smerlas always jumped offsides but he was a quality player. if he continues to get better they’ll learn to put up with a hold here and a false start there.

by gatornation on Sep 26, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's played like what

9 career games? Lets at least let him get in a seasons worth a work.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Sep 26, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Entertaining game today!

I’m glad that it was close enough to be fully invested until the last Fitz INT. Thank God for CJ Spiller….we really is fun to watch play. I love watching whenever that man has the football.

This type of game is what I wanted to see. That at least if we are gonna lose, I wanted it to be exciting. And I think that was the thought process behind the Spiller selection. So for this game, it worked!

I just wish Trent could throw downfield like Fitz does. Oh well. With Fitz, we have to take the good throws with the bad throws. So I don’t get too upset when he throws the occasional INT.

Progress!

"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde

by StroudFanClub on Sep 26, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Well said. I completely agree. I was totally done with Dick J football, trying to keep the score around 20-17. Another season of that and I may have taken up drug use. Heavy drug use.

38-30, with the chance to win at the end, on the road at New England. Love it. Shore up the D and this team might actually surprise. Imagine if by year end we are actually happy with Fitz as our QB. Not saying it will happen. However, he looked better today than I remember. Keep it up Fitz!

by DJ O on Sep 26, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

the story of the day for me was the difference in the QB play. I didn’t expect this team to win today but In Fitz you get a QB that is not afraid of throwing the ball downfield or afraid to make a mistake for that matter. He looked guys off and and threw the ball where he knew his WR would be. Now he made a major mistake w/ the int. to Chung but in reality Edwards would not have made most of those down field throws to put the offense in that position anyways. regardless of NE’s defense our offense scored more points today w/fitz then they have the previous 2 games with Edwards.

by gatornation on Sep 26, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. Who knows what the Miami game would have looked like with Fitz. That being said, getting a top QB prospect remains the quickest way to take this team to the next level. Imagine if Fitz can make this offense look average, what a legit QB could do.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Tom Brady led Patriots Offense played very dominatingly well.
Surely our defense played bad but I dont believe we are giving enough credit to the Patriots…for our defensive struggles.

by Xaviermw on Sep 26, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd
I dont believe we are giving enough credit to the Patriots

Its an offense with multiple future hall of famers. Well said.

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by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have held them in the past.

With cover 2, because we get turnovers,

I can understand not using it as a base, but I can’t understand using it on nickle and zone packages to mix it up. We are using mostly man to man, and we are gonna have mismatches every time because of the tight ends and moss. If you had mixed it up with some cover 2 in the nickle dime we might get a few turnovers and win. 3 game 0 picks.

Seems we can only get a well called game from the coaches on one side of the ball each game,

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems we can only get a well called game from the coaches on one side of the ball each game,

or in the GB game, neither side of the ball.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all knew

our lack of a pass rush would kill us in this game defensively. Brady cant just be given time all day.

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by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

so why not use some zone coverages?

Brady will just kill you if you keep playing man to man coverages with no pressure.

At least in zones you get better chances for picks. Worked for us last year.

Better yet, mix em up.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

if George Edwards has been a zone man in the past or not, do you?

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by poz on Sep 26, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

But that’s what this secondary is built for.

I think an DC worth his salt would have a mix of the two. We used almost exclusively zones with DJ and and lots of man to man with GE

It looks like sometimes they will play bird in zone with the rest man to man.

But they are mostly calling coverages that play to our secondarys weakness not their strength,

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zone Coverages dont really work well with a 3-4 Defense.
Or against Wes Welker.

by Xaviermw on Sep 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why I said.

In nickle and dime packages, which we played a lot of today.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah your right, good point.
Idk I think our coverages were good when we knew they were going to pass (2nd and 3rd and longs), but when the possiblity of run existed our coverages was much more shady. Not sure it has much to do with man to man or zone.

by Xaviermw on Sep 26, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

but when the possiblity of run existed our coverages was much more shady. Not sure it has much to do with man to man or zone.

Because in man to man, it takes away run support because their backs are to the play. I think when Brady got that 9 yard run. That’s when bellickhik decided he was gonna start running on the nickle and dime, because once he hit the second level, there would be little run support from the secondary except from the free safety.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, can’t rip on Chan’s play-calling so this time its Edwards fault? You like to pin these things on the coaches. The way I see it the pass-rush stunk, no matter what D we were in. That led the OLBs to try and cheat and go-wide and then draws and inside handoffs burned us (woodhead was a classic case of everyone on their heels looking for the pass). When Brady has all-day they are going to get yards one way or the other.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

these are legitimate concerns.

We have lost two winnable games in miami and ne.

Seriously, when Tom Brady scrambles nine yards, and the safety is the only one in the secondary and has to come up and make the stop, because the corners have their backs to the play after nine yards.

A good coach is Bellichik is gonna see what I did, and think hey if we run those patterns but hand it off, I can get a RB in space 1 on 1 with a safety and maybe break some big ones on the ground. The correct adjustment to stop that is to go to a zone. The adjustment was never made.

This why Bellichick is such a good coach, he makes adjustments on the fly. It’s why we keep losing to him, because we have coaches that can barely make halftime adjustments,

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what you expect. Great coaches lose football games all the time.

I just think coaches are who you blame when they’ve made the bed that they are sleeping in, and the bed breaks (see DJ). But 3 weeks into the season, its really hard for me to jump down the new guys throat when they are still trying to evaluate their personnel and there are some huge holes on the team (from the last guys tenure). Why can’t this be the players?

When the team stops improving and/or gets worse I will be ready to question the coaching decisions, but right now, we are limited by our talent level first and foremost. Today Chan outcoached Belichick’s defense. But last week you were ready to fire him. This week its Edwards? Let a season play out and then lets see how this team has changed (or not).

I could more readily say these were winnable games that the players lost, not the coaches. I don’t think Edwards had a lot of good choices. Brady kills zones (and has killed our cover two before), but I guess we’ll never know cause you say he didn’t try it. But I’m pretty sure this outcome was decided when our line couldnt get pressure.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the team stops improving

The defense has stopped improving. It’s regressing, try something different different. We know we don’t have a good pass rush. Try some blitzes, mix up some coverages. I could see them taking advantage of NE using our man coverage to get killer runs when we needed to get the ball back, simply make the adjustment, I am happy.

The offense did improve today, that’s why there are no complaints on Chan today.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see them taking advantage of NE

Should have said

I could see NE taking advantage of us.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, I appreciate your perspective on the coaching. Not many people focus on it (besides the more generic complaints about not winning). I just feel patient because they are new.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and my expectations for this season are low. It’s about trying to get this thing to come together over the next 3 years. No one wants to say that, but I think its the reasonable expectation.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is the reasonable expectation.......

just sucks that it’s already taken 10 years to get to the point of waiting for 3 more years (possibly)

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like they say, don’t consider sunk costs…

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess they say that cause its our instinct to. so I hear ya.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to understand.

I have seen some boneheaded things from coaches, that just kill this team the last bunch of years.

It all started when Kevin Gilbride was our OC when Bledsoe was our QB, in 3rd and 3 or less we would mostly set up in the shotgun and pass. Even when we he was under center we would always pass. I used to always think why don’t you run it sometimes. Teams simply stopped playing the run on 3rd and short and brought huge blitzes up the gut.

I could see this was a huge problem and could be easily fixed by becoming more unpredictable, but it never was fixed, as the losses piled up and the sacks piled up and the people were calling for Bledsoe’s head, he was a lead foot statue, he’s lost it, over the hill, it was painfully obvious what was going on.

near the last week or two of the season someone totaled up every play, and figured out on 3rd and 3 or less, at that point of the season we had passed the ball nearly 90% of the time (89.4% if i remember correctly. And it made the news media rounds confirming what i knew I was seeing all along.

I felt so bad for Bledsoe that year while everyone was blaming him, but in the NFL, if you know what’s coming, you can usually stop it.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the upside, this offense can’t be predictable (yet) because it looks like we do something different every week…

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just sayin

what caused me to pay attention to the coaching.

Today when I watched Tom Brady get a 9 yard run (Which is a rarity nowadays for pretty boy), i noticed that all the secondary got taken downfield on the man coverage as it happened and a safety had to come up to make the play, and knew that was exploitable if it was a RB instead of Brady taking a slide.

I knew I could see it, and if I can see it watching it on my TV. I knew Bellichik could see it and it appears he did, because that’s when he really started busting out the runs and even using routes to make defenders become blockers..

Then I start to wonder, If I can see it, and NE sees it, why can’t our coaches see it and adjust.

That’s why I am so critical of coaches. Because we have had a slew of incompetence with the last few batches (especially OC), I want a set of coaches who recognize obvious things as they see them and make adjustments, without having to look at the film.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 26, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair. But when you are outmatched (like I feel our pass rush is), you have to pick your poison. If they make that adjustment, does Brady keep killing us over the top? The slow death or the quick one?

The adjustments always feel wrong when you lose. Meanwhile, its always the right call if you win. I’m not sharp enough to know ex ante what was the right call, especially when I’m concerned about our talent level. It didn’t seem like what we did mattered since we couldnt get to Brady. One of Moss’s TDs was into what looked like three Bills defenders, but a TD anyway.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a good point. I just wonder what the counterfactual is.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller

Great to see that he joined the party. He makes losing a little more fun.

My first post by the way…but, an every day reader.

by KellyToReed on Sep 26, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

welcome

Gailey is breaking in Spiller slowly which he should do.

by gatornation on Sep 26, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Pass Defense Needs to Improve in 3 areas

Pass Rush, Linebacker Coverage, and Not Having Reggie Corner

by Xaviermw on Sep 26, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully this gave them a lil confidence.

Season to BILLieve!

by mroy1239 on Sep 26, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

#58

He played way more today than any other game and that is good. Chan is seeing what he can do. However, he was just manhandled. I just don’t see him improving enough to become an effective pass rusher. Did anyone see anything from him to create some optimism?

prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13

by jpheff on Sep 26, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Ummmmmmmm. Well, he finally played a lot.
Is that what you were looking for?

Me neither.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybin is lost

when he is on the field. He can not see the forest from the trees. The guy simply buries himself in the OT and forgets there is actually a game going on. He has the football awareness of a 6 year old. He may as well be chasing butterflies and picking dandelions in a pop warner game.

Not to mention, his speed is overrated and he apparently has less athletic ability than advertised.

He was a non factor today.

by WhatGoesAround on Sep 26, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

See Brian, I would have used “spark” in the headline, not the paragraph. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 26, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

WGR brings up a good point......

Where the eff is Fred Jackson?

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

His runs wern’t as good as Lynch’s so they stuck with Lynch.
But its seemed like Jackson just got unlucky with the blocking and play calls compared to what lynch got at first.
Say what you want but Lynch was good today and does act as a more drastic complement to Spiller than Jackson does.

by Xaviermw on Sep 26, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didnt even really get a chance to see what he could do really though.

Not that Lynch didnt do well……..I realized there is only so many plays to go around…….it’s just kinda sad to see one the best offensive weapons on the team the last few years get 4 touches in the game.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fred had 1, maybe 2 opportunities to take a hand-off. Lynch is really frustrating me. He’s still so slow and he’s really in a dancing mood more than most dancers. I don’t like how Fred has been relegated to the bench in this offense. He is the team’s bread and butter.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lynch had a few good runs today

But always leaves a lot of yards on the field. His vision is so mediocre and he really needs to just take what’s there sometimes.

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by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a few good runs today, but i’m yet to understand what Gailey has seen in Lynch’s recent history which causes him to turn to him before Jackson. Though he’s the same person who chose Trent Edwards as his man heading into summer camp.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no clue

Jackson should be out there

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by Kurupt on Sep 26, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was out there for a few pass plays.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!!!!!!

Mike Tirico, minutes ago on ESPN Radio, said that when they spoke to Aaron Rodgers for MNF prep stated that Green Bay was disappointed with, as was he with his own, their play because they just weren’t sharp or motivated because of “the inferiority of their opponent” in week 2 versus the Bills.

The Bill are officially the Royals and Clippers an Islanders of the NFL.

by FergusonQB12 on Sep 26, 2010 6:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Im wondering if the same thing happened with Miami too.......

because they look like a COMPLETELY different team against the Jets.

Stiffer competition (TWSS) perhaps is making Miami elevate their game…….and teams dont try as hard against the Bills…..

It’s something to consider…..because there’s evidence out there perhaps.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Few things, and hope not to get a warning.

Hey Norcalbillsfan, I’m not a positive peter and I mother eff bad plays like the rest of Bills fans but you need to look at an improvement at some point when its there. I wonder why you even participate on this wonderful sight when all you have is a pessimistic point of view. I love readin comments and when its hijacked by someone who always posts on every damn blog entry, and has the same negative take it wears on everyone. Not saying you aren’t right at points but why are you a van when you can’t even acknowledge a positive in the offense? I enjoy reading takes and try to post what hasn’t been contributed or backup someones great take.

Overall this was a fun game to watch and goin out swinging is way sweeter than errr Edwards heartless losses. Too all the Fitz haters, would you really see Edwards than Fitz? I mean boring football or plays being made then a loss? Ya a win is sweet but imagine Fitz in the first two games, miami would of been a win. The announcer made a great observation “fitzpatrick makes his decisions to make plays very quickly”

Defense definetely could of done a better job, but with a roster full of playmakers, the patriots I thought would of had bigger plays and more points.

Fitz played very well, the entire oline played well. They also look better keep in mind thanks to Fitz getting rid of the ball and movement in the pocket. Bell looked pretty nice, few problems but hey limit his mistakes and we have a future tackle.

Maybin needs to get experience but its painful to see zero penetration.

Cj had an awesome game throwin up 14 points but I was puzzled to why he would be in on third and long when jackson and lynch are clearly better pass protectors. Only thing I can think of is keeping Spiller on the field means the Linebackers need to account for him but at the same time all three backs need to be accounted for.

by sketchydave on Sep 26, 2010 7:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Norcali can get negative at times but I can’t say that I blame him. He hasn’t hijacked a thread to discuss how awful something is. As long as he stays on topic he can say whatever he wants.

I wonder why you even participate on this wonderful sight when all you have is a pessimistic point of view.

This is unacceptable. You didn’t attack his fandom which is good but he participates because he cares. Trust me that when he sees something he likes I’m sure he’ll mention it. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just got home, so apologies if this has been discussed...

Why wasn’t Fred Jackson used more than 3 times today?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

briefly above about 5-6- comments

What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.

by fansince60 on Sep 26, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of the WGR guys (dont recall which ones exactly)

were speculating that perhaps Jackson isnt on Gailey’s good side………..

Personally I find that hard to believe…………but it sucks for Fred, and for the offense……..although they did fine without him today.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson seems like the last person to cause a coach fits. He’s pretty much out of the Lee Evans mold. If this continues, I will not be a happy man. I want to see 22, not 23 (and I don’t even dislike Lynch). I just love me some FJ.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my opinion 100% as well.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want someone to point-blank ask Gailey why Lynch has been given the featured role. He claimed Edwards earned the job, so if that’s the case of Lynch, I want to hear it. If it’s head games because everyone thinks Lynch is on his way out of town and has no role in the offense, i’d be really annoyed.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know as well as I that no coach would ever be forthcoming with that kind of information......

you’d get a bunch of coach-speak on the subject.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know. It would be awesome to know if he likes Lynch or Jackson more as his featured back. From the games, it appears he like Lynch.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he knows

that Lynch needs to be kept busy or he’ll go nuts and do a whole lot of stupid stuff around town.

by lord gloom on Sep 26, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would venture to say..

That Gailey is doing with Lynch, precisely what he did with Edwards. It’s an audition. IMO, Gailey wants to see what Lynch can do in his offense, under his guidance, in effort to truly understand his talents/weakness so he can formulate his own opinion of the player, regardless of previous seasons’ stats.

I don’t see this as a negative at all. I too like FJ as a starter. But I guess my understanding stems from the belief that we are truly rebuilding. And if you accept that, you’re more concerned with evaluating the talent you have rather than approaching each week as “must win”.

Of course, I’m not saying Chan isn’t playing to “WIN THE GAME”. I’m simply saying that evaluating talent when rebuilding is mission one. And you can’t evaluate talent when it’s on the bench.

I think Chan knows he’s got a dependable, good character veteran in FJ. One that doesn’t have a high ceiling, or a low floor. And I build this opinion off everything this regime has said and done thus far in office.

I think its smart.

by DJ O on Sep 26, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game Three...

I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised. Observations:

Fitz played much better. He went through progressions MUCH faster, stepped up in pocket (who knew!?!), and confidently threw it into tight spots. The over/under throws are part of the Fitz package, which is why he’s a career back-up. The longer the clock wound down, the odds of that fatal mistake went up. I knew it was coming, just didn’t know when.

Gailey called a pretty good game. It is still obvious (to me and the opposing defense) that when Spiller is in the game, they’re going to try to get it to him. But the TD pass is exactly how they should use him – oddly, the Lions ran almost the exact same play with Best right after that play (I know, I watched the Lions AND the Bills today, must be a glutton for punishment).

Thought the line looked better, but that may be a result of more competent QB play. Lynch benefited from the solid blocking up front, but really looked like the Lynch from 2 years ago. The more he plays like this, the more I want the Bills to move Jackson and Evans (who still can’t block) for picks. FWIW, FJax should get the ball more (one of my favorite players on the team), but there are just so many plays to go around.

Pass rush is non-existent except up the middle. Which works great when NE is in the spread and have no backs in the backfield. I’d bet Williams never would have gotten that sack if Faulk had played today. Stroud cannot generate pressure from the DE spot, so my understanding would be that he would eat up some lineman and allow a speed rusher (Maybin?) to pick a gap and get pressure. Either Stroud is not doing his job, or we do not have a rush LB anywhere on the roster to fill that role. Brady is one of the best 2-3 QBs of the past 20 years. If you can’t get people in his face with any degree of regularity, they will beat you. Period.

We need a whole new set of LBs. Doesn’t matter what system is, Cover 2 or whatever. We are woefully short on every-down LBs.

Whitner is simply awful in recognizing play action. One of the misdirections with Woodhead (who?) he was still covering Moss with his back to the play as Woodhead essentially was using Whitner as a blocker! Sad. A #8 and a #11 overall pick over the past few years who are both basically situational players? Not good.

I think the Bills did not make a lot of quantifiable mistakes – a few penalties (much better than last year’s displays), 1 sack, no fumbles, one bad pick – says to me that the coaching is better than last year, but the players are not. The talent gap – much more than the coaching – is costing us the chance to be competitive.

Lastly, I can say from my own experience that it is much easier to watch the games when you don’t expect the Bills to be competitive. For those folks who have to have a win to validate your fandom, your going to continue to have a hard time. They aren’t good. Sorry. Fact is, they aren’t going to win many games. So unless you’re a masochist, and you expect to see a win each week, you shouldn’t watch. But don’t rain on people’s parade if they are seeing what they want to see – ray of hope or not. That’s just being a prick.

by T McGee on Sep 26, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I realize that a lot of people are directing posts at me because of my frustration with losing.....

and thats cool………I can take it.

But please can anyone ANYONE explain to me where me being upset with a loss is taking away from anyone else sharing their “joy or happiness” or whatever they are with offensive production today?

Have I said anything to anyone in this thread that says they shouldnt be happy with that offensive progress?

If you guys can show me that, then by all means call me whatever names you would like.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

your last sentence

is uncalled for. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion and there is no need to insult someone who doesn’t agree with you. Have your parade, but, others are entitled to march too if they AREN’T seeing what THEY want to see.

What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.

by fansince60 on Sep 26, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

meant as repy to T McGee…sorry

What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.

by fansince60 on Sep 26, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got the reply fine.

And I agree. Cali’s not a prick for being pissed they lost, and if your enjoyment of the good from this game is sapped by what he’s saying, your skin is too thin.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My Skin Is Plenty Thick...

…ask my wife.

Sure, be upset they lost. Sure, be angry the FO or the coaching staff or whatever isn’t doing what you think they should do. That’s fine. As a fan, you are certainly entitled. But to reply to every positive post with ‘yeah, but they suck’ or ’I’m not surprised because they suck’ or whatever is uncalled for. There are plenty of rose-colored glasses on the site, no doubt. I have no illusions that the Bills are any good – they’re awful. Just to be clear, I think the Bills will be 3-13. So I agree, there are lots of things to be pissed about.

But for those folks who wear those rose-colored glasses, who come to the site to post ‘rah-rah, things are looking up!’, why do people feel compelled to post ’you’re wrong’ in response? Just leave it alone. Hey, post all you want about the problems with the team, but don’t jump on people who got some small bit of enjoyment out of the game simply because you didn’t.

Lastly, I was not specifically targeting Nor Cali. I was referencing several folks who have that tendency to ‘get the last snark in’ when it comes to those on the bright side of things. I find it really obnoxious. Sorry.

by T McGee on Sep 27, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evans had

the key block on Spiller’s first TD.

by WhiskeySierra6 on Sep 26, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm very very nervous

that Ryan Fitzpatrick might screw up what could have been a slam dunk opportunity to have pick of the QB litter. He’ll play just good enough not to make this team a laughing stock, but he’s ultimately someone the team should look to as a guide for their future. He’s smart and he’s a gamer, but we’ve seen his ceiling.

Great game for the most part by him, today. I don’t mind the picks because he was at least trying to make something happen.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood

Song recommendation of the week: The Twilight Singers - "Flashback"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 26, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year

Pretty much heard the same thing from fans last year after he came in.

by stetzwebs on Sep 27, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know we lost but everyone should lighten up. I’m just as upset with the Bills losing as everyone else here but it’s no reason to go off the deep end and get overly pessimistic. everything doesn’t go the way we want it to go and never will. One day Buffalo will be great again and we’ll look back at these last few seasons and laugh about it and how everyone will suddenly be a Bills fan. We have a headstart on the Bills Bandwagon. Just gotta be optimistic

by Dana H on Sep 26, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

plus we just have to wait for the Russians to clone Jim Kelly. Then we’ll be good.

by Dana H on Sep 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am actually excited.

Best Bills football we’ve seen in 8 months or more!
Go Bills!

And, during the week, Buddy needs to draft 5 pass rushers.

"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

8 months?

You must have typoed, because I’m 99% sure you meant 8 years.

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by NJBillsfan on Sep 26, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

:-)

"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 26, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steps in the right direction

It was good to see the offense show some signs of life with Fitzpatrick under center and I’m glad we had the chance to celebrate a few plays today. There’s still a long way to go but hopefully the team is heading in the right direction.

Each tiny crumb of good news is immediately followed with a swift kick to the nuts.

by thekotton on Sep 26, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody have a Terrance McGee Sighting today?

Not sure if it’s a good thing or a bad thing I didn’t see him all game.

by Xaviermw on Sep 26, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Random remembrance

Gotta say, it was awesome to be on the other end of the TV booth jinx. You know what I’m talking about right? How many times does it happen where a sports announcer and tv crew throw up a stat about how long it’s been that a team hasn’t done this or that. Than at that precise moment, the team breaks the very streak the announcers just made light of.

Now normally, it seems to me this jinx always works against us. Today was an exception. It was awesome to see us break that pathetic stat CBS put on the screen. What was it, that it’s been like 40 years since we successful converted a 3 and over 10. I think I spit beer at the screen when they put that up. Then, miraculously Fitz stepped up and hit Roscoe over the middle, who made a move to pick up the 3rd and long. What a great moment in today’s game.

by DJ O on Sep 26, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Lynch

Any possibility they are playing lynch to show potential trape partners what he’s capable of.

Fresnobillsfan

by Frenobillsfan on Sep 26, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Trade *

Fresnobillsfan

by Frenobillsfan on Sep 26, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL
potential trape partners

I actually thought this typo was intended!

Our Wang don’t Hang; it’s a Calloway Wood cause we got Levitre.

by ChipShot on Sep 26, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's funny

It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "

by radan on Sep 27, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine if...

Fitzpatrick had first-team reps during training camp and preseason! He might not have made the critical interceptions, which, frankly, looked like the mistakes a rusty QB would make. I think he could be quite good for us this year. He did have a winning record last year…

by mxsd on Sep 26, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

they looked like mistakes Fitz would make

he’s just inaccurate, he’s going to air-mail some passes every game.

CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.

by JPH on Sep 26, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fitz factor

i agree with a prior post that he may screw up our chance at locking the first qb pick. We’ll have to see if there is anyone worth shooting for that spot anyways so it really shouldn’t be a priority.

What Fitz does give us is the chance to really evaluate the rest of the offense. While all of us agree that we know his ceiling and that we have little to no chance of progressing at the qb position right now, he is adequate to put other players in the position to make plays. This gives Chan the data he needs to assess when building his team of the future.

Applying this same train of thought on the defensive side we could say that a pass rusher might achieve the same results. I wish we could make some kind of move to shore up that duty. I truly think that could be the biggest impact move possible.

Cynic with a positive outlook - product of being a Buffalo fan

by Storeybox on Sep 26, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

we finally show some improvement in what everyone agreed was going to be a painful and long rebuilding prosses and all most can do is whine that we dont do this right or did this wrong. All of us knew this would take time. Im glad to see the team inspired and playing like an nfl team. They fought for Fitzy and compared to the first two weeks that meant a lot to me. We watched the baby get its but handed to it by the school yard bully, but we sent him to the nurse with a bloody nose. Baby steps but steps none the less. Cant wait to see this baby grow ……………..GO BILLS

by CarJak_101 on Sep 27, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Fred Jackson

So does anyone agree that Fred Jackson will end up being the odd man out?

I won’t argue Jackson is talented, but I’d much rather take CJ Spiller and Marshawn Lynch over him.

by Baron Hashimoto on Sep 27, 2010 2:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Reggie Corner may well be the least useful human being on the planet.

Is it hockey season yet?
"Just Do Something" - Nike’s new logo for Bills apparel.
Paul McCartney Can't Play Piano
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by UZ on Sep 27, 2010 6:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Even least useful than Kelsay?

He seems to be the favorite bash boy around here to me.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. - Vince Lombardi

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, Corner will always be the worst Bills player in my heart :)

Is it hockey season yet?
"Just Do Something" - Nike’s new logo for Bills apparel.
Paul McCartney Can't Play Piano
Burgundy Wave: Nobody's favorite Rapids Blog! (Now on SBnation!)

by UZ on Sep 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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