NFL Roster Cuts: Predicting Buffalo's Final 53
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
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PrintThe preseason is over. The Buffalo Bills, along with every other NFL team, must trim its roster to 53 players by a 6:00 PM Saturday deadline. I know all of you are anxious to share your final 53 predictions; this is the post to do so. I'll start my projection by stating that I'm so infinitely glad that I don't have to do another 53-man roster prediction this year. Here's how I broke it down.
25 starters are locks. Including the three specialists, Buffalo has 25 starters. I don't expect any lineup changes with the ones, so these 25 players are on the final roster. That's nearly half of the 53-man roster right out of the chute.
QB Trent Edwards, RB C.J. Spiller, FB Corey McIntyre, WR Lee Evans, WR Steve Johnson, TE Jonathan Stupar, OT Demetrius Bell, OT Cornell Green, OG Andy Levitre, OG Eric Wood, C Geoff Hangartner, DE Dwan Edwards, DE Marcus Stroud, NT Kyle Williams, OLB Chris Kelsay, OLB Reggie Torbor, ILB Andra Davis, ILB Paul Posluszny, CB Terrence McGee, CB Drayton Florence, FS Jairus Byrd, SS Donte Whitner, K Rian Lindell, P Brian Moorman, LS Garrison Sanborn
13 players with defined roles are locks. All of these players have defined roles with the team going forward, and many of them will see significant playing time. I don't think I'll see too many arguments in this section, but then again, we've only covered 72% of the final roster to this point.
RB Fred Jackson, RB Marshawn Lynch, WR Roscoe Parrish, OT Jamon Meredith, DE Spencer Johnson, NT Torell Troup, OLB Chris Ellis, OLB Aaron Maybin, ILB Kawika Mitchell, CB Leodis McKelvin, CB Reggie Corner, FS George Wilson, SS Bryan Scott
3 players that absolutely are not going anywhere. Whether it's based on preseason play, draft status, or simple dire need, these three players aren't going anywhere any time soon.
WR David Nelson, WR Chad Jackson, DE Alex Carrington
We're now 41 players deep into my projection. That leaves a dozen spots at which I expect that I'll get the most arguments, and at which we'll see the most differentiation between forthcoming reader predictions. Here's how I handled those last dozen spots.
8 players are "numbers" locks. The Bills have to keep a bare minimum quota of players at each position for simple depth purposes. Without predicting waiver wire acquisitions, here's how I fill out Buffalo's depth chart based on numerical need.
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB Levi Brown, TE J.P. Foschi, OT Ed Wang, OG Nick Hennessey, DE John McCargo, ILB Arthur Moats, CB Ashton Youboty
Given Trent Edwards' injury history and the state of the offensive line, we absolutely must preserve experience and production at backup quarterback. I also like Levi Brown's raw physical tools best as a developmental quarterback. Foschi stays as a warm body at tight end; he's a capable blocker. Buffalo must keep eight offensive linemen. Wang is a developmental prospect. Hennessey can play tackle or guard, and can also block a little from the tight end spot during Shawn Nelson's suspension. With the Bills using a lot of 4-3 looks, I like McCargo as a seventh lineman. Moats has great upside, and Youboty is about as dependable as you can get as a fifth cornerback.
Those are my rationalizations for those eight numbers locks. I expect most contention with my selections to come in this section of the post. We've still got four more spots to pick, however.
4 "best players available" to fill out the roster. That's Buffalo's draft philosophy, and it should be the way they fill out the back end of their roster, as well. None of these players are indisposable (nor are most of the numbers locks, for that matter), but they're talented and can be useful on game days early in the season.
RB Joique Bell, WR Donald Jones, ILB Keith Ellison, FS Cary Harris
Bell is insurance in the event that Fred Jackson can't play in Week 1, and has played himself onto the roster in any case. Jones is a nice athlete with intriguing potential, and can play special teams. Ellison is a heady player that doesn't make mistakes; coaches will like him for that, and he was the first "BPA" selection I made. Harris offers the team versatility as a depth player, as he can play both corner and safety.
That's it. 53 men. Here are the 20 that didn't make the cut. TE Shawn Nelson goes on reserve/suspended, while SS Jon Corto can start the year on reserve/PUP.
QB Brian Brohm, RB Chad Simpson, RB Andre Anderson, FB Rodney Ferguson, WR James Hardy, WR Naaman Roosevelt, TE Derek Schouman, TE Andrew George, OT Kirk Chambers, OG Cordaro Howard, OG Andre Ramsey, OG Jason Watkins, C Sean Allen, C Christian Gaddis, DE Rashaad Duncan, ILB Donovan Woods, OLB Antonio Coleman, CB Ellis Lankster, CB Lydell Sargeant, SS Dominique Harris
Slap Ferguson, Roosevelt, George, Howard, Allen, Coleman, Sargeant and Harris on the practice squad. Here's the final roster prediction in depth chart form.
| Pos. | Starter | Backup | Reserve | Reserve |
| WR | 13 - Steve Johnson | 86 - David Nelson | 19 - Donald Jones | |
| LT | 77 - Demetrius Bell | 69 - Jamon Meredith | 71 - Ed Wang | |
| LG | 67 - Andy Levitre | 79 - Nick Hennessey | ||
| C | 63 - Geoff Hangartner | |||
| RG | 70 - Eric Wood | |||
| RT | 74 - Cornell Green | |||
| TE | 88 - Jonathan Stupar | 82 - J.P. Foschi | ||
| WR | 83 - Lee Evans | 11 - Roscoe Parrish | 17 - Chad Jackson | |
| QB | 5 - Trent Edwards | 14 - Ryan Fitzpatrick | 10 - Levi Brown | |
| RB | 21 - C.J. Spiller | 22 - Fred Jackson | 23 - Marshawn Lynch | 35 - Joique Bell |
| FB | 38 - Corey McIntyre | |||
| LE | 99 - Marcus Stroud | 92 - Alex Carrington | ||
| NT | 95 - Kyle Williams | 96 - Torell Troup | ||
| RE | 98 - Dwan Edwards | 91 - Spencer Johnson | 97 - John McCargo | |
| SLB | 90 - Chris Kelsay | 93 - Chris Ellis | ||
| MLB | 54 - Andra Davis | 55 - Kawika Mitchell | ||
| WLB | 51 - Paul Posluszny | 56 - Keith Ellison | 45 - Arthur Moats | |
| JLB | 53 - Reggie Torbor | 58 - Aaron Maybin | ||
| LCB | 24 - Terrence McGee | 27 - Reggie Corner | 26 - Ashton Youboty | |
| SS | 20 - Donte Whitner | 43 - Bryan Scott | ||
| FS | 31 - Jairus Byrd | 37 - George Wilson | 47 - Cary Harris | |
| RCB | 29 - Drayton Florence | 28 - Leodis McKelvin | ||
| K | 9 - Rian Lindell | |||
| P | 8 - Brian Moorman | |||
| LS | 65 - Garrison Sanborn |
Position most likely to be addressed via waiver wire: offensive line. Good gracious, that depth chart is atrocious. If they can find a capable, veteran guard/center on the market, I think they'd be all over it like stink on cheese. Nick Hennessey is a hard worker, but he's just a guy. They need interior line help in a bad way.
The comments section is yours. Your predictions, your questions, and your contentions with this prediction, are most welcome.
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is it typical
to only carry 8 o-linemen? That depth looks scary.
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by Scrumtrulescent on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Ideally you take 9, but none of Buffalo’s depth linemen really deserves a roster spot.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I sound like a broken record
none of Buffalo’s depth linemen really deserves a roster spot.
You are dead on in your assessment of the team as a whole and even more accurate in assessing the OL. Here’s the broken record part…if we all can see it, how can CHIX look at this depth chart and attempt to go 16 games with literally no backup at C, RG, RT and “average-at-best” starters at RT and LT? They are setting Edwards up to fail or get injured and a repeat of the ‘09 nightmare. It’s not “rebuilding” – so much so that it might be called “regressing”.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Sep 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is it in the nut shell
Yet we don’t know what Gailey has up his sleeve. Once again and this is trivial, our biggest splash isn’t Trent Edwards or C.J. Spiller. It is Chan Gailey and his “offensive career”. Take him away and it is the same old same old regarding the offense. We will deal with things the same as last year but only with a new offensive scheme.
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Unless Gailey gets out there and blocks someone, his scheme is just that, a paper plan. Trite, I know, but you need bodies to execute a scheme. As it stands, Edwards looks like the only thing that will get executed!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
My only problem is 7, 8 and 9, if they take one. I’m comfortable with the starters, and with Meredith as a swing tackle. They need a guard/center in a bad way.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with you 100% about the guard/center, but I’m afraid I have very little faith in Cornell Green based on his record and what we have seen so far. That leaves us with Meredith at RT, but he is still pretty shaky and we need him to be available to replace Bell if he gets injured (which, alas, happened a lot last year). So I would say that a capable OT for depth is also needed. Best of all would be someone who could play both OG or OT (assuming Wood could move over to Center if Hangartner went down).
by Macktruck on Sep 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not ideal but....
If need be, Levitre can slide out to tackle like he did at the end of last season. So if we pick up veteran interior depth we may still be okay.
I feel sorry for those people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning its the best they are going to feel all day. ~ Frank Sinatra
here's two for us to pursue with real NFL pedigree
Justin Hartwig if Steelers dump him
Eric Ghiaucic as Pats cut him, started for Cinci.
Very similar players to Hang as they can play G/C
Hartwig’s just about out of gas, and makes way too much money.
Ghiaciuc stinks, and has for years.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Meredith does deserve a spot
He has potential. I think he might start before the year is out at RT.
judging by Green’s play, Meredith might start at RT before the WEEK is out!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
He hasn’t been as epically bad as you’re making it sound. Sheesh…
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
does foschi last only as long as nelson is out?
by quantumuprising on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
yes
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying we should keep him
but to be fair, the guy just got here 10 days ago.
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Gronkowski
Mark Gaughn predicted in his Livechat this morning that the Lions are going to cut Dan Gronkowski tomorrow and that the Bills may very well snap him up. If that turns out to be true I would call it a Hallelujah moment for this team in terms of solving our TE problem. He is not as good as his brother, but he’s a better all-around TE than anyone on our roster now. Let’s keep our fingers crossed and pray hard that it happens.
I hope David Jones doesn’t make the roster. He sucked big time last night; displayed bad hands and inconsistent ability to get open
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
no problem there – we don’t have anyone on the roster named david jones.
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It's either that or Hardy
Or Naaman Roosevelt. Donald Jones can play special teams, that’s about the only reason he’d be picked. They’re trying to figure out if Roosevelt can return kicks well enough to keep him around, but with the depth the Bills have at return man, it’s doubtful.
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I’d rather keep Roosevelt at this point. Jones hasnt shown anything this preseason
Fear the Grier!!!!
I’d tend to agree, but I won’t be heartbroken to have a decent coverage man on our team (especially after watching how the coverage units need help so far).
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by Dyl on Sep 3, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Did the Avalanche trade LW David Jones to the Bills while I wasn’t looking? :o
Is it hockey season yet?
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by UZ on Sep 4, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i would expect to see howard instead of hennessey, and coleman instead of harris, but other than that this is solid, i think.
it comes down to whether we’d see ten defensive backs or ten linebackers. given the lack of game experience at their position in the LB department (not to mention that two players total played the same position last year), i think they’ll keep extra bodies at LB. considering that the emergency depth for the d-line comes in the form of kelsay and ellis, i think they’d keep an extra body at LB to cover the chance that one of them needs to move back to putting a hand on the ground.
foschi is toast when nelson’s back.
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-abayarde, still a genius
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by the_prophet on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
check that, i forgot about bryan scott. harris stays, coleman goes to the PS.
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there's no way in hell Coleman doesn't make it
I think he’s a must with our shoddy OLB depth.
by live6453 on Sep 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I expect more four-man looks, thus the smaller number of OLB. I swear, I didn’t see Coleman once last night – don’t know if he’s hurt or what the deal is.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I would never classify Reggie Corner or Kawika Mitchell as “locks”.
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Corner is a lock. 0% chance he gets cut.
I’m willing to hear arguments on Mitchell, I just don’t think he’s going anywhere.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Simply because Lankster has been so terrible?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don’t think Corner is as bad as you make him out to be – he’s the 4th or maybe even the 5th corner – he’s not bad in that role
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you watched him the past few years?
He gets burnt every game. He is as bad as I make him out to be, maybe even worse if I didn’t consider him a solid tackler.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
ya I watch him – i just don’t think he’s terrible
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
On Mitchell, he has really, to me, looked out of place in this defense. I consistently see him get caught up in the wash and he doesn’t shed really well when he gets guys on him. I’d be midly surprised if he makes the team.
the first long run, think it was 12 or 13 yd run – it was his gap responsiblity against the lioins
I'm not sure we have the tools or the talent....
by J2 on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
On Mitchell, he has really, to me, looked out of place in this defense. I consistently see him get caught up in the wash and he doesn’t shed really well when he gets guys on him.
Hey look you just described CORNER
Is it hockey season yet?
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by UZ on Sep 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell
I wasn’t even a fan of his in the old defense…he misses tackles and generally plays like a mercenary outside the scheme of the defense in my evaluation. I’m usually against penny-pinching, but if Buffalo wants to shed some cash somewhere on this roster today…
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I know you don’t like him, K, but trust me – Corner’s making this team.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
I just don’t agree with the 100% lock part, but I guess that’s the case due to not having anyone else that has stepped up. Hopefully, he won’t have to play much.
~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, he’s the dime back. He’ll play as much as a dime back is required to, barring injury, of course.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Corner has been so unimpressive except that one play against Cincy.
Maybe I should put it this way, Reggie Corner isn’t on a “good” Bills team but he’s on this one.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with your assessment of Kawika. He’s got strengths and weaknesses, but he’s a fine depth player and could be a capable starter on a lot of teams. Considering who we have at ILB behind Poz and Davis, he’s pretty much a lock.
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I just don’t think he’s a lock. I like him a lot but with Ellison and Moats you have to think it’s at least a possibility. I think he makes the team but I don’t think he’s a lock.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Corner's good
Wasn’t he the one who shadowed Welker in the opener last year? He did a great job jamming him at the LOS and not giving him breathing space. Like most players, you just have to use him correctly.
So, say the Bills sign an interior lineman off waivers, who gets cut? Do they cut a lineman or someone else? Basically, I guess I’m asking who the 53rd man is. My guess is Donald Jones.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
Hennessey. Any of those last four in (BPA) would be the first to go, as well.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. He is “just a guy.” That line cracked me up.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to argue against the final 53. Maybe you could swap one OL for another but in the end they aren’t good enough anyways.
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I’m in agreement with this predicted roster as well. The three question marks for me are: 1) Cordarro Howard instead of Hennessey? Remember that Howard was mixed in with the ones at times during training camp but Hennessey definitely was not; 2) Coleman instead of Keith Ellis? Coleman can contribute to the pass rush, which is a major area of concern, and has more upside in a 3-4 defense than Ellis, though Ellis is the best LB we have in coverage (with the possible exception of Chris Ellis); and 3) Might Gailey at the last minute decide it would be smart to keep both Fitz and Brohm on the grounds that there may be a lot of injured QB’s this year thanks to the state of the o-line? Levi Brown does not look like he is ready to go in there yet if Trent and Fitz go down.
LOL – you said Keith Ellis, and it got me really confused when you started talking about Chris Ellis. :)
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I understood
Because that is usually how I post my comments. All’s good Mack
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Might Gailey at the last minute decide it would be smart to keep both Fitz and Brohm on the grounds that there may be a lot of injured QB’s this year thanks to the state of the o-line? Levi Brown does not look like he is ready to go in there yet if Trent and Fitz go down.
I tend to agree, I think Gailey should make the smart decision to keep both of them and stash Brown on the PS, since he probably won’t get picked up.
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For cutting Kirk chambers. If we need a turnstile we can borrow one from the stadium entrance.
by Pete Andolina on Sep 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
here is me stirring it up again
why is steve johnson #2?
what has he shown this pre-season to be at #2… he has some 30 yards total in 4 games with 4 catches
players like parrish and nelson have been more productive starting with the starters… its not like he takes defenders away as no one even knows him
for me its is evans, nelson, parrish, jackson then johnson
Parrish is, for all intents and purposes, the second receiver. But he’s a slot guy.
People get so hung up on receiver numbers. Johnson is serviceable in his current role, and has a chance to get better.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
did donald jones or roosevelt ever play with the starters?
by statcruncher on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Johnson is one of the only consistent receivers in terms of making plays
He’s run several isolation routes down the field in one-on-one coverage and made good plays on the ball, even when he didn’t come up with the catch. He isn’t the anointed one that many Bills fans want him to be (at least not yet), but the guy is the best flanker we have aside from Evans by a mile. David Nelson could play his way into that position in the coming year(s). I was bearish on Steve Johnson before the preseason, but there’s been reason to be relieved.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 3, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson wasn’t more productive with the starters. He was more productive with the second team. With the starters he has one catch as the No. 4 WR.
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Nelson rarely played with the starters
But he has a couple catches when he did. Opposite Evans and Parrish in the slot that’s not a bad thing. The fact is when he’s in the game he catches passes.
i think bell has been better personally
by statcruncher on Sep 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Bell has a reasonably higher ceiling.
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What exactly does that mean? More potential?
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Bell has the chance to become a feature back someday
He flashes the ability to make defenders look silly. He shows fantastic balance, good vision and good ability to pick his holes. He doesn’t get trapped for losses even playing behind the Bills’ reserve line. I’m not saying he’s the same receiver that Simpson is, but he doesn’t have stone hands, either. He looks like he can actually have a career as a respectable NFL running back. Simpson is a poor man’s Terry Kirby. Not bad, but not distinguishable from many other runners out there.
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Bell looked good against 3rd stringers though....
Not taking away how good he looked earlier in the preseason, but I’m not sure how he’s proven he might be a feature back in the league…
I do like how he’s run it for us, but I just can’t expect so much out of him in the future.
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by Kurupt on Sep 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand the argument, but it wasn’t just 3rd stringers he was running against. He ran well against the 1st string in at least one game. He picked up more than a few carries in the first half. And he didn’t just “look good” against the 3rd string. He flat out destroyed those teams to a ridiculous rushing average. Bell shows competence in the key abilities that really good NFL backs show competence in. He knows how to accelerate, balance and use his vision. That’s what Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, and company do. Yes, Chad Simpson’s a fine back. He’s very versatile in that he can naturally catch passes, run capably, and pass block to an above average level. I honestly wish we could keep both guys. But Simpson is always going to be just a guy. He’s a (very) poor man’s Kevin Faulk.
What’s most encouraging about Bell is that he isn’t an NFL journeyman, that is, his sample size doesn’t consist of large periods of irrelevance on the benches of teams. I mean to say that this preseason is his very first chance to run the ball in the NFL and he’s ripping up the turf when given the chance. Granted, what Bell’s showing us doesn’t guarantee him a career as a feature back. But if that isn’t indicative of a high ceiling, I don’t know what is.
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by Dyl on Sep 3, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And yeah, all I said was he has a chance.
He hasn’t proven signs that he could be a No. 1 back, or proven anything really. Not sure if I even conveyed that at all, but in any case, definitely strike that from the record.
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by Dyl on Sep 3, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Higher Ceiling Vs Career Back Up
I understand both, but the vote on use is still not over.
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How so?
Simpson is the much more versatile player. And it’s not like he’s an old guy either, at 25.
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I think Simpson is a better player. I’m just not convinced the Bills feel the same way.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He might be better now
But how about two or three years from now. If the Bills do consider trading Lynch in the future (which I hope they don’t), having Bell would make it an easier deal to make because he seems to be a similar type of back. If they keep Bell it tells me they are keeping their options open.
I think as a runner, what you see with Bell now is what you’ll get. He’s not the type to get better.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
His skill set does seem pretty maxed, but experience at this level could allow him to get better.
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Yeah...
patience and experience as well as STs prowess and blocking techniques can all be learned and used to help Bell become a better player.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Could you clarify? I’d be interested to know the thinking.
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by Dyl on Sep 3, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no hidden talent with Bell. No physical skill waiting to be honed to the game of football. He’s a good player. He’s Samkon Gado.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I respectfully, but strongly disagree. All the signs point towards his succeeding at the highest level. As Bell didn’t really get the chance to warm up against top-level competition, it’s fair to say that CJ Spiller would have put up the same stats if given the reps that Bell got this preseason. It takes more than a few carries + garbage time for a back to shine.
If I understand you correctly, you’d say that if Joique Bell ever gets half a season’s worth of carries against top NFL defenses as a No. 2 back, he’d descend from his current status of jolting defenses into mediocrity. that’s okay, I suppose. I wouldn’t call that a silly position, but I do believe that hypothesis stems more from intuitive feelings about his play rather than a demonstration of what he’s given us so far. I think until we see even one game’s worth of mediocrity out of the guy, it’s shaky to say that.
I’m not saying that he will undoubtedly succeed, or that he’s immune to whiffs in pass protection, dropped passes, or poor runs. I’m not saying that Bell should get any real playing time this year barring injury, because he shouldn’t. I’m saying that given his present level of production, his career potential only bears witness to the looks that it could take off. Joique Bell is being underestimated simply because he’s perceived as already having overachieved. When in truth, since his college achievements and his NFL body of work are up there, in scale, with Spiller’s, why can’t his career be?
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by Dyl on Sep 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
When in truth, since his college achievements and his NFL body of work are up there, in scale, with Spiller’s, why can’t his career be?
Because comparing those two players in terms of pure talent is like comparing Todd Collins to Peyton Manning.
Look, I like Bell. I put him on my final roster. This idea that he’s got a future as anything more than a fringe, journeyman back is laughable, because as you say, he hasn’t proven anything yet, and he’s nowhere near an elite talent. I think he’s got good skills. His balance in particular is excellent. They’ll keep him in the league for a little while. There’s a chance that he develops into an underrated, always-possibly-upgraded No. 2. If that is what you define as “upside,” then I suppose I agree.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d say that upside in this guy’s case is whatever he can make with it. You bring up a good point about the significance of talent with skill. The very best backs have both, and despite being skilled well beyond his undrafted status, Bell isn’t an elite talent. However, he does have some natural ability in ways that I wouldn’t attribute to work ethic, though. Because of that, I believe in the guy. It does remain to be seen if he’ll ever get the chance, or even continue to shine in his limited playing chances. But it bears watching, eh?
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by Dyl on Sep 3, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly. He needs to make, and stick with, the team first. But all NFL players that make a 53-man roster bear watching.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can’t believe we’re having this discussion this year, when for the previous 2-3 years, we were hoping Xavier Omon would show something. Bell has destroyed anything Omon ever did, and yet people are acting like Bell is no better.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This may be the longest thread ever regarding the 4th tailback being kept on an NFL roster…lol
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Agreed. I just think the Bills can’t afford to give up talent anywhere. They’re dreadful in some other positions (OL depth, LBs) – if the Bills have to give up something at RB, go get something for it.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 3, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest dismissal of Bell...
…is because of the college conference he played in, plain and simple. There is an institutionalized bias in the media and among fans against non Division I talent.
Considering that the Bills current lead RB is the only player in NFL history to come out of Division III and have a 100 yard rushing game, not to mention being the only player in NFL history to rush and return for 1000 yards each in a single season, one would think that Bills fans would be the least susceptible to be automatically dismissive of a non Division I player. Yes, Omon failed. Jackson most certainly did not. What makes people think that Bell is the next Omon instead of the next Jackson?
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And remind me again...
…what college the best receiver in Bills history played for? Kutztown State? How can anyone good have come from there?
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Bell may be very good. Though even looking at Jackson, he gives you every intangible you want in a running back. What he doesn’t give you is that elite level that say a guy like Spiller does. Really good, but not great running back are not hard to find. Finding the guy who has to be accounted for by multiple players on defense every play is something that very few backs have. I like Bell, and Jackson, but they can only give you so much..
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And I don’t understand why “he’s better than Xavier Omon” makes a player a must-keep. That’s a pretty damned low standard, my friend.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
True enough. The point is, he’s a lot more talented, and he’s more talented than many of the other players currently on the roster who are simply there to fill numbers. I just hate giving up talent without getting anything for it.
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bye Hardy
good luck
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That stink on cheese part deserves a rec.
Sorry rumblers, but I am still laughing.
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need to raise the limit from 53
really is not much….how about 55 at least, geez.
when you consider there are three sets of teams = 33
backups for the first two = 22……
really struggling with hardy…as well as simpson vs bell.
and as for QB, much rather have brohm than brown at this
point. just think we need to have brohm ready to go as #3.
too much of a risk with brown in emergency.
i think brohm with first team offense could be as good as
fitz
Without a functioning minor league system...
…I agree that the limit has to be raised. The NFL really, REALLY needs an effective developmental league so that players who are not quite NFL caliber can get playing experience. A developmental league that is run competently would vastly improve the quality of play on the field at the NFL level.
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looks good
Except I’d keep Brohm and put Brown on PS. No one is going to pick him up for their active roster given what he’s shown IMO.
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by radan on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can see them cutting Brohm just to put the controversy to bed. Trent is the starter Fitz performs the off field duties of the backup very well and can come in perform in a pinch. You keep Brohm and the moment Trent as a bad game you have half the fans and the media clamoring for him to become the starter. I wanted Brohm at the beginning of camp but Trent earned the spot and its time for him to sink or swim. Whatever happens we will know what we need to do with the quarterback next year.
Pessimist
How many of the players on our roster make the Jets/Pats roster?
10? 15?
Spiller, Evans, Kyle Williams, F-Jax, McKelvin, McGee, Wilson (ST), Florence, Wood, Byrd, Moorman, Poz and LeVitre? Maybe Stroud?
Using Mike Lombardi’s metrics, how many “blue chippers” do we have?
Spiller, Evans and F-Jax? Maybe McGee and McKelvin? Ugh.
uh, poz? byrd? levitre or wood?
as for players who could make the jets or pats roster, all of our starters could be on their team (except for maybe stupar, kelsay, and green). they likely wouldn’t start since they’ve got a lot more talent than us, but there’s at least twenty players on any team in the league that could make any other team in the league to some extent.
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Our roster has talent
equal to other teams in the division. Don’t believe it when the national media discounts our talent. The Pats offense and Jets defense are the only units in our division that have upper echelon talent. Look at the rosters.
The Pats have a rookie and a second year player as starting CBs. Their no. 1 d lineman is out for the year. I prefer our secondary and our d line.
The Jets still have Sanchez as QB, turnovers waiting to happen. Without Revis and with Cromarties hip issues, they could have secondary and lockerroom issues.
The Dolphins roster stacks up even against ours. I still doubt henne as QB and Marshall is one incident away from TO status.
Keep the faith. Gailey has shown an ability to use talent. You’ll finally start seeing it this year.
nope...
Our roster has talent equal to other teams in the division
This just isn’t true.
The Dolphins roster stacks up even against ours. I still doubt henne as QB and Marshall is one incident away from TO status.
The dolphins have won a lot more games than us recently for having equal talent…Remember this is a team that dumped Joey Porter…Joey would be easily the best edge rusher on our team. This is the team that just traded Greg Camarillo, who’d be the 2nd receiver we have. They have one of the best running games in the league, and their QB was picked by Bill Parcells, which is a huge step up in credibility compared to being picked by Dick Jauron.
I don’t understand how we’re equivalent to any of these teams at the positions that matters. QB, pass rushing, left tackle…we’re behind the eightball on every important front except free safety, and Jairus hasn’t been on a field for 16 games in his life.
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by JPH on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The dolphins have won a lot more games than us recently for having equal talent
Ask yourself did we have equal coaching.
no.
but we also didn’t have equal talent. you can be worse at both things.
And another thing:
How do we know Tony Sparano is a good coach? How much is him and how much is Ireland and Parcells. i do think that Sparano is a good coach, but isn’t it possible that he might be Brad Childressing or Jim Caldwelling around with that team?
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by JPH on Sep 3, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, the mighty Dolphins and the Guru Parcells
are those the same mighty Dolphins that could not stop the poor Bills from scoring 24 4Qtr points killing whatever hope they had to the post season?
Are those the mighty Phins you’re talking about?
yep.
the ones that have won 5 more games than us over the past two years and outscored us by 100 points last year despite the fact that their starting qb exploded at the beginning of the season.
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by JPH on Sep 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
look at the rosters
It doesn’t matter what they did the last few years. Look at the present roster of the phins. They’re hoping for rookies to step up at a few positions. Henne has been horrible this preseason and wasn’t very good last year. I prefer our defensive line and our secondary is better also. The only areas where they MAY be better personnel wise are LB and OL. I like our RBs (younger) and the inside of the o-line. Their receiving core has only Marshall just like we rely on Evans.
My point is Bills fans tend to downgrade their own personnel in comparisons. It’s frustrating that we give up on players when they just needed better coaching. Coy wire, Jim Leonhard,Jabari Greer,etc.
The Dolphins recent history is proof that coaching matters.
I like the list and agree with the rationale
Still stuck on that cheese thing a little but if there is to be any final discrepency it shouldn’t be major, unless Brohm is kept.
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James Hardy makes it
I know he is not a popular choice, but he’s been injured and not been in a position to show his potential. And of course nothing done or not done under the disfunctional old regime should count. So I think Hardy makes it because Jones can probably slip by to the practice squad while Hardy will not.
James Hardy offers absolutely nothing in the way of special teams. He’s not going to make the team.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
How would he get that chance? He’d enter the season as the sixth receiver. He’d never, ever play. He’d be inactive on Sundays. Which is, of course, precisely why he’s not going to make this team.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that Mark Gaughn in his Livechat this morning said he thought Hardy WOULD make the team as the 6th WR. I think it’s going to be a very close call that could (like all close calls) go either way. Yes, he would be inactive at the outset as the #6 guy, but if there were injuries down the road he might get on the field and start to show something. His liabilities on ST are a big factor, though. Nelson, Chad Jackson and Donald Jones are all very good on ST.
brohm has done nothing this preseason to show that he should be in the league. fitz has, between this preseason and last season.
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In his press conference this morning Gailey called out the second-string o-line for “an awful display” and basically said that Brohm didn’t get a fair chance to show his stuff last night. Hard to tell how that will factor in on the final evaluation.
Gotta love Gailey for telling it like it is.
exactly
but when I look at the body of work that Fitz and Brohm had in the preseason, I certainly don’t see anything jumping out at me, nothing to suggest that Fitz is miles ahead of Brohm. Certainly nothing to suggest that the difference between the two is worth the difference in $$$.
I guess for me it would all come down to how much improvement and promise does Brohm show? If he showed a bit and then regressed and that the coaches feel that he’s never going to really develop any further then -yes – absolutely get rid of him. But if they feel that he would continue to develop, then he’s got way more upside than Fitz and that fact should be taken into consideration in the decision. I personally did not see anything in Preseason that would make me feel any more comfortable with either one of those two as a QB2.
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cut harris add hardy
i think the bills go with 4 not 5 safeties
They won’t go with five safeties, but they’ll keep 7 receivers?
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
if i was an nfl team i would want brohm over brown
i think gailey and nix will try and get brown on practive squad…
they already cut another 7th rounder, and he was an o lineman.
Listen to Gailey GUSH about Levi Brown (last night’s post-game presser) and then tell me again that they’ll try to sneak him onto anything. :)
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and listen to Brown
Give credit to Fitzpatrick for helping him understand the offensive scheme that Gailey is implementing. This is important for a #2 QB who could end up finishing out a season as the #1 QB.
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Missed that
You’re right of course—no way he’d say that if he has PS in mind for him.
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by radan on Sep 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Missed that
I’m convinced
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by radan on Sep 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
uh, they might try and sneak him onto the practice squad....
not to be picky, but gailey in no way “gushed” over brown.
quite the contrary
i really don't understand why everyone thinks we could stash brown on the PS
if we put him on the squad, he’ll get claimed. there’s no debate there
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Umm
Curious why you think Levi would get picked up? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m just curious as to reasons why he’d be assuredly picked up.
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Levi is a very solid development project. Good size, good skills and he seems coachable. I don’t know if you’ve looked around the league lately but there isn’t a lot of talent at the QB position.
But it doesn’t matter because no one will have the opportunity to sign him. Levi is our 3rd stringer this season and I’m perfectly happy with that.
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Levi #3 QB?
What did you and Chan get together and hash out final cuts already?
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way preseason playing time was distributed it seemed pretty obvious to me that Brohm and Fitz were the two playing for a spot on the team. Brohm looks to have lost that battle and will more than likely be cut.
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OK
So because Levi was drafted(7th rd.) by Nix, that means he’s not in competition for making team? I know this sounds sarcastic, but I’m truly confused. Even if Brohm is/was beat out by Fitz why does that mean Brohm isn’t worthy of #3 QB spot instead of Levi?
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My argument was based on how time was distributed throughout the pre-season. Brohm and Fitz would alternate games meaning if Brohm backed up Edwards then Fitz didn’t play at all (unless I missed some drives somewhere). To me that showed that one of them would end up in the backup spot and the other on the cutting block. Obviously, I was wrong but if that wasn’t the case then why not get all of your guys as much playing time as possible.
Oh well. I feel kinda stupid having an argument about our 3rd stringer anyway haha
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No Argument
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by buffalobacker on Sep 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"but there isn’t a lot of talent at the QB position."
Last year saw more 4000 yard passers than at any time in NFL history, I think there is plenty of talent out there, just not much in Buffalo the last decade.
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agreed
Sad but true :(
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, some big numbers were put up last year but about half (or more) of the starting QBs in the league are mediocre at best. Now when you start looking at backups the talent pool is obviously worse. That was my point. I wasn’t trying to say that if Levi is cut he’s going to take Drew Brees’ spot. I was just saying that a lot of teams would be interested in him as a project because a lot of teams need help with their reserve positions.
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My only real issue with Brown as the 3rd guy and Brohm being cut is that it’s more than likely he’s at the very least a #2 QB during a portion of this season. It’s quite possible he has to start a game or 2. He’s so far from ready for any bit of that. The offensive line is not a great assembly and if any of the starters get hurt, they may need to run the spread just to keep the QB from getting killed.
Brohm fits better this season than Brown, simply because I think every QB on the roster is going to have to play this season. What a mess that line is. What a hot f’ing mess.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 3, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes Sense
Being 7th rd. pick doesn’t instill alot of confidence in me. It’s happened, but rather take my chances with a proven commodity, albeit weak but were talking Buffalo QB’s here, not rocket science. Give me Brohm at #3 please… Get Franchise QB in draft…….
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
rather take my chances with a proven commodity
But Brohm has proven absolutely nothing.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 3, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And
Levi has proven what?
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by buffalobacker on Sep 4, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t say he had. But you called Brohm a proven commodity. If anything, he’s had more time in the league to show what he’s got, and what he’s got isn’t that much.
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Whatever
It’s not like our other options hold much future either! Brown’s maybe PS material at this point. All good….
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by buffalobacker on Sep 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hardy, parrish, evans, nelson, jackson
who am i missing??
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by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Lose Jones, keep Coleman
I know we will see more of the 4-3 but I don’t see too many five receiver sets coming from this offense with the backs we have. That said I think we could develop Coleman more on the roster and keep Jones on the PS in case of receiver injury. I was really rooting for Roosevelt and am glad he’ll at least be on the PS .
by detricblackstone on Sep 3, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I think Coleman offers more potential to help the team on the field this season, even in a limited role, than Jones will.
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Hennessey
I’ll be sick if he makes the team. I focused on him a lot the last couple games and he is totally inadequate. I’d much rather see Allen make the team — and that is one sad statement.
As I said in the article, the only reason I kept Hennessey was because he can function as a TE should it come to that. He would have no shot of lasting the whole season on this team.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Need another veteran offensive lineman
Let’s hope Nix finds a decent veteran during te cut downs. We are going to need more OL help.
I hate to say the name, but Chambers....
He gives you the most versatility of any backup. I won’t be surprised to see him stay, but I also expect to see the Bills pick up a vet that’s been cast off. One man’s trash….
I think you’re underestimating Hennessey a little here. I think he’s played pretty well this preseason. i think he’s a legitimate backup…no worse than Chambers who lasted on this roster for more than three seasons.
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So why should they go find another one who doesn’t know the team and system? I’d love to find a gem in the other teams’ cut downs, but it would be a miracle in my opinion if they actually do find someone any better.
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Agreed. They’ll look, and I won’t say I’ll be surprised if they get one, but it’s a lot harder than people seem to think it is.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW the F/A period
I am sure that Edwards and Gailey know exactly where our weaknesses are and know exactly what they need to fill our needs. We may see some big names on the cut lists over the next few days but these guys will only be considered if those two think they will strengthen this team. We will have to be patient and realize that any signing after 6pm Saturday will only be considered to strengthen our depth and will only happen if that player is better than what we have. I am sure we all now that.
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Cut Brown
and stash him on PS.
I don’t see any danger of anyone snapping Brown up. He slipped to the 7th rd for a reason and he hasn’t shown anything crazy special that another team other than the one that drafted him would want to grab him. He is still getting used to being under center, etc.
We do know for a fact that Trent will miss 2-4 games. Fitz as a back up makes so much sense because he has the experience and can win 1-3 games. When Trent goes out and Fitz is in, you just can’t gamble on Brown being the back up. You’re much better with Brohm in those cases as a backup.
We do know for a fact that Trent will miss 2-4 games.
Well, no, no we don’t. It’s a pretty safe bet, but it’s certainly not fact.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You and your “definitions.” If you call it a fact, that makes it so.
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by Jon Harrington on Sep 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
confused
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we much better with Brohm? What has he shown us, not just in Buffalo, but in his NFL career? We’re talking about a guy who has already been cut once and now can’t beat out Fitz for a backup job.
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Better With Brohm
My quess would be experience. It’s not like we got talent running through our QB ranks..Its Curly, Larry or Moe…
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha I agree but I think Brohm might be Shimp.
Hey, man, I was excited when we signed Brohm because I was a fan of his at Louisville but he’s shown me absolutely nothing since then. I was actually rooting for him to win the starting spot this summer that’s obviously not happening. As for experience Brohm only has more regular season game under his belt than Brown and the exact same number of TDs.
If we’re talking project player then I’d like to see where Levi’s story goes because I’m afraid we’ve already seen the climax of Brohm’s.
Each tiny crumb of good news is immediately followed with a swift kick to the nuts.
Maybe one day..
Brohm will catch on somewhere and have long fruitful career as a backup. Sadly I think Fitz offers us the best chance of staying competitive in a backup role. Brown was brought in by the current regime and I think that makes him a lock for the developmental role at #3.
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But
Brohm was brought in by current regime as well. I concede that it appears that Brohm is odd man out, just not sure why Brown (7th rd) gets a pass, Calloway didn’t.
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What? Brohm was brought in last year, and even played last year. How was he brought in by the current regime?
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by thefourwinds on Sep 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy
Nix was hired Jan. 2009, Brohm was signed Nov. 2009. Nix being GM.
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by buffalobacker on Sep 4, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Shemp
lol, Thank- you for your patience with me. What you say above makes good sense. Can’t say I’ve seen anything Levi’s done during pre-season. So happy with 1st team offense I really didn’t pay much attention what Levi did in clean up. Thats why I’m happier with Brohm as 3rd QB. But I see were your coming from, and it makes sense. Your probably right, if not,I’ll let you know ;)
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it looks like Brown has been cut. haha Oh well, I don’t care to be wrong on this one. Hopefully, its for the best both for the Bills and Levi.
Each tiny crumb of good news is immediately followed with a swift kick to the nuts.
All Good
Levi can still go PS….
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by buffalobacker on Sep 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OL Depth
is scary thin. I can’t believe how bad our LB’s are. As far as picking up players, would be nice if we find 1 or 2 developmental OL to stash on the PS. We need to be working on developing OL big time. Hopefully Wang becomes a project that has a chance.
our overall talent is just not there. Unlike the previous regime however, I do believe that if they stack 2-3 drafts on top of each other we will start to develop a roster that is deeply talented. Just right now, we are injury away at so many positions where the talent level drops off tremendously
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here's a prediction
we cut brohm, cardinals pick him up and he is the next kurt warner… just kidding
A definate possibility
Brohm is young, with all the tools of a starter if he had time to develop. If a team gives him that time and the confidence that comes with it, look out. His Louisville years were not a fluke, he just hasn’t had the chance to put it together in NFL. I see two futures for Brohm, Kurt Warner or Luke McCown
by detricblackstone on Sep 3, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Any idea on how close Schouman is to being game-ready? I’d definitely prefer him over Foschi. In fact, I’d prefer Rodney Ferguson over Foschi; but doubt he could switch to TE easily.
And if Schouman is still 3 weeks away, he could always go on IR. Again.
ferguson was a lot of fun to watch last night. does anyone know anything about him? it was the first time I had really noticed him on the field. he certainly popped a couple of guys..
by Squirmin' Thurman on Sep 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he did, and I listened to it on the radio
Yet, it is a safe bet that all teams have similiar players on the bubble.
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Schouman - cut him
Can’t afford to keep the injury prone/injured unproven TE. Nobody is going to pick him up. Maybe the Bills sign him later this season. TE needs to be addressed in the next draft.
You can’t put a guy on PUP if he’s practiced or played in a preseason game. The only PUP-eligible player the Bills employ is Jon Corto.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 4, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If they are gonna keep either brohm
Or fitzy, my vote is brohm. But that’s more personal as I think both are very similar in their abilities for this year. Every other cut seems good to me. I still think brown makes th 53 man roster based solely on the fact that he is seen as tremendous upside and 3rd string qbs hardly ever see the field.
OT: If they go to 18 games I expect the cut list to be raised to 55-58 range.
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brohm makes it; Coleman over Harris
i feel brohm makes it because if trent does get hurt or is inneffective (either seem plausible) then they can shove Brohm out there and legitamently see what they have in him. we saw what happens with Fitz for an extended period of time. and if trent stays healthy then whats to lose? fitz is making over double brohm i know the bills are always game for saving money. i hope coleman makes the team but if he ends up on the practice squad, then i guess ill be ok, rather have a prospect in our poor pass rushing over a backup safety. maybe cut harris and put coleman on PS and get 2 O-linemen, because it honestly makes me sick
by I miss Flutie on Sep 3, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
D-league
oh a developmental league would be such a good idea
by I miss Flutie on Sep 3, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The NFL had one
They abandoned it deliberately.
While a developmental league would indeed do wonders for improving the product on the field in the long term, the NFL, which is the largest and most financially successful sports league on the face of the planet, simply does not want to spend the money on one. I find this position exceptionally short-sighted and incompetent.
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NFL europe failed because the NFL was trying to push for European fans over developing players, players from the same team would play against each other making it hard for europeans to show alligences for an nfl team, and its in europe! wrong kind of football. anyways if each team had a d-team play at a college stadium or something itd be cheaper and fans for the nfl teams can see the prospects cheap! im sure some station ESPN or local would broadcast games.
by I miss Flutie on Sep 3, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the NCAA is the devlopmental league
no other sport has the type of growth and development in college like the football does.
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by silverstreak3k on Sep 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i hear ya that there’s a ton of development and growth in college football, but there’s, on average, too much disparity between teams for NFL prospects to get continual reps against NFL-caliber players…i.e, teams with very tough schedules may play half their games against teams that have a shot at a decent bowl game, and even then, those teams only have a few NFL prospects each.
A developmental NFL league would feature fewer teams where every player has a shot at cracking an NFL roster. I think the UFL is going to continue to evolve to fill this role….look at the example of our own ex-qb, JP Losman. He went from no shot in the league to starring in the UFL to vying for the backup role in Seattle. UFL gave him a competitive environment to get reps and take another shot at an NFL roster. I think it can do that for players in other circumstances too – ones that maybe didn’t get as much action in college because they played behind amazing starters.
UFL is not Canadian football. I believe they play by the same, or very similar rules as NFL – they just target underserved markets:
http://www.ufl-football.com/
ah yes, i see my misinterpretation of your comment now. heh. thought you were replying to my comment about college and ufl, and your cfb meant canadian football. i’ve gotta lay off the booze before happy hour :)
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The NCAA is not a developmental league...
…because they serve their own financial interests and deliberately exclude players before they reach their physical peak, thus cutting short any genuine development. A team from an NFL-caliber developmental league would simply crush even the best of college programs by creating both more well-rounded players and positional specialists at the maximum level of physical maturity and with vastly greater experience than any college player could ever acquire.
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O line
i think we keep at least one more offensive lineman than what you have us keeping and i would assume it would be Cord Howard.
O Line
They only have 5 worth keeping and Green is not one of them. Meredith will be starting by October. Let’s hope they can find some help on the waiver lists.
They have six worth keeping. 7 if you think Wang is worth developing.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Ebird on this one. Four and a half worth keeping (including Meredith). Green was a bigtime hiring mistake. Wang is a huge question mark.
Green signed a three-year deal. He’s not going anywhere. He’s been between bad and serviceable in pass protection, and below average and solid as a run blocker.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but “between bad and serviceable” in pass pro suggests we continue to have a major OT problem.
Green was a bigtime hiring mistake.
Green signed a three-year deal. He’s not going anywhere. He’s been between bad and serviceable in pass protection,
And the hits just keep on comin’!
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I never said we didn’t have a problem. Just that Green is worth keeping.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
BG, no Howard? DO you think he goes on the PS?
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Yes – I listed my practice squad in the article, and he was on it.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was odd
seeing so little of Meredith and Howard last night. On previous games they would play a lot.
Maybe they are locks to make the roster and the coaches didn’t want to risk them?
Quite possible. But I saw a lot of both of them.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I haven’t actually been to any preseason games or even watched them in their entirety (practices either), I don’t feel it’s fair for me to way in on this. However after viewing this list, I feel sad.
As cool as it'd be having a homegrown Buffalo kid on the team(Namaan)
he hasn’t shown me anything really… I haven’t seen any of his college games(so I don’t know what he can do at WR) but as a return man he has shown lack of judgement and made some bad plays returning punts(like fair catching it and returning it at wring times) he is also too slow IMO to be a successful return man
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You lay out a strong argument BG…hard to argue when it’s presented that way. Nicely done.
Brohm vs. Fitz: I was pretty hopeful for a Brohm emergence, but the whole not getting touchdowns thing is hard to reconcile. Fitz, with his ‘potential-ceiling’ and all, still finds a way to get into the endzone with the same players that Brohms’ played with. Gotta like that in a backup.
Roosevelt: I became a big fan of Naaman during the offseason and will be bummed if he doesn’t make the team – he just seems to find a way to catch everything thrown in his vicinity. However, I don’t think I could make a strong argument for him replacing anyone on that receivers core…a good problem to have when we started the offseason with so many question marks at receiver. Also, if the team freed up a spot elsewhere, it’s pretty clear we’ve got more urgent needs.
Regular Season. Bring it!
it seems like there is going to be a tough descision on the bills hands with brohm v. fitz
i hope its brohm but i feel its gonna be fitz. we should just hope trent shows us something
by I miss Flutie on Sep 3, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Re:
If Buffalo keeps Wang (which I agree with), they will definitely have 9 lineman on the 53 since Wang won ‘t be ready to legitimately play for months (or most likely next year). I would love to see Chambers go, so if Buffalo goes this route and looks for someone on the waiver wire to fill out the depth chart, I’d bet Hennessey would not be the one to go. My money would be on McCargo.
I think Hardy makes it over Jones, but i understand your keeping the more productive player. I just think the team will be bad anyway so why not let a 41st pick overall get a second pro season in at a position of need (Loved the preseasons of Jackson and Nelson, but until they do it in the regular season, Buffalo has some major holes at WR).
I think Buffalo could go looking for a 2nd TE over the waiver wire as well. I know Green bay had about 5 that were better than anyone on our roster when I watched them against Indy…I think Foschi has been really bad and wouldn’t be that far ahead of a free agent anyway.
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I think Wang will be ready a lot sooner than that. The original timeline was 4-8 weeks and that was a month ago, so less than a month. Found this awesome quote from Gailey from Tuesday’s practice:
Wang was limited by a heavy wrap on his left hand to protect the surgically repaired thumb, and he won’t be ready to play Thursday night.
"We’re not trying to do that with him," said Chan Gailey. "He doesn’t a way to grip yet, not that linemen ever hold. We’re trying to get him back in football conditioning shape for when he does get well."
I think by “ready,” Port Royal was saying “ready to play in an NFL regular season game.”
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think he’ll see the field due to the lack of practice he had coupled with his being a raw prospect to begin with. Most teams suit up 7 offensive linemen on Sundays and if Wang won’t suit up, I view 8 as too thin.
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2nd TE
On the TE situation, as I mentioned higher up in this thread Mark Gaughn suggested this morning that Detroit is likely to cut Dan Gronkowski because of the numbers situation they have at the TE position. Gaughn thinks the Bills would snap him up in an instant, and that’s my guess as well.
I would be happy with any of the Gronkowskis…Dan or the youngest brother who is playing FB on Dallas.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Sep 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no big complaints. i think donald jones is the most questionable. id say its more a toss up between jones and naaman (jones is a better athlete, naamans got better hands).
it also wouldnt shock me if they only went with 5 WRs since we expect spiller to get time in the slot, in that case id think they use the extra spot on OL depth
No way
Hardy stays, did you see how slow he was, ugh!! What happened to Donovan Woods, he was all over the place in the Colts game but since then nada! I’d take Roosevelt over Jones mostly for Roosevelt not dropping catches!! Either way, one stays and one goes to PS.
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by brendar of the bills people on Sep 3, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Hardy and Brohm
I would love to see BOTH on the final 53. Give them every opportunity to thrive this year, and at the end of the year, make the correct assesments on them. Put their competition on the Practice Squad, but these 2 guys a shot. Go Bills !!!
the problem
as brian says above, is that neither one of them would touch the field. How would they prove themselves?
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by JPH on Sep 3, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Spiller the #1 RB
over Fred?
i would say that Fred is the #1 guy with Spiller being a guy that is just used throughout in different roles, almost a whole different position.
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Ranking RB
Does it really matter were our RB are on the depth chart? Each one brings his own set of skills, abilities. They’ll all be used I’m quessing!
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by buffalobacker on Sep 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t really matter. Spiller is more important and will be on the field more. Ergo, I put him where I put him. They’re both listed as locks.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but his contract is pretty high. Pass.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
from what I read, he will earn $2.08MM this year. In comparison to someone like Fitz’s contract and given the need we have, I’d look at it as a bargain. Now, if he’s released, then, it could possibly cost more than $2.08MM because of competitive bidding. As you say above -
Agreed. They’ll look, and I won’t say I’ll be surprised if they get one, but it’s a lot harder than people seem to think it is.
$2.08MM doesn’t seem like a lot in the scheme of things.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Trust me: it is. That salary is a deal-breaker, even for a team as desperate for depth as Buffalo.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, he currently has 3 years left in his deal at $2 million per year (2010-12). For a comparison, Chambers (also now a 31-year old backup OL) signed a 3-year deal for a total of $2 million.
maybe he gets cut and we can sign him cheaper? or at a contract that will have him competing with hang? i dont think hang is even that good
i dont think hang is even that good
he’s not.
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by JPH on Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Veteran Help on Defense
I agree with keeping Youboty, Ellison and McCargo. They might be gone next year, but with just a couple of injuries, we’ll be happy to have some veterans to plug in. Put the rookies with potential on the PS for a year.
Two changes
I’d swap Donald Jones and Antonio Coleman. Preference, and I think there’s less of a chance that Jones gets plucked by another team. It also gives Buffalo another special teamer.
Cary Harris for some offensive lineman. Cordaro Howard maybe. You’re right on about the lack of depth of the OL. Justin Hartwig is available? He’s got C-OG versatility. Basically, I can’t see the team moving forward with the interior OL that it currently does not have.
Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.
by Der Jaeger on Sep 3, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hardy has got to be dumb, hasn't he?
I remember when we drafted him Whitner said he was the only offensive player Ohio State ever gameplanned for when he was at Indiana. Did he just never learn the playbook? never take the time to learn how to run NFL routes?
He’s an enigma to me. And i feel like Shawn Nelson is on his way to joining him…
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by JPH on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. So many questions about Hardy right now
And Shawn Nelson just feels like he’s going down the same road.
Two great thoughts.
How is it that nobody ever takes blame for the organization cutting their second round pick in only 3 years? What happened here? I feel like there should be like a 20/20 type investigation! Did he not fit with the Bills offense? Is he a very slow learner? WHAT HAPPENED!?!? Who should take the blame….person who drafted him? Hardy? Coaching? Grrr
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by StroudFanClub on Sep 3, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I cringe
When I see Foschi’s name on that list. A little less with Hennessey and Torbor. I hold out great hope that the waiver wire will provide us with TE depth, interior OL depth, and maybe, perhaps, perchance maybe a OLB. You know what, they don’t have to be former Georgia Tech players, either… its starting to become the Buffalo Yellow Jackets
Uh… why Torbor? Dude’s not in the same cringe-worthy universe as the other two.
by Brian Galliford on Sep 3, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think just because he doesn’t to me seem like a starter on any other 3-4 team… so, with respect to his potential role in this scenario, its cringe-worthy. Foschi as TE #2, Hennessey as our only interior OL depth, and Torbor as our starting Juke all feel off to me, if you’re looking at people’s roles in the final roster. That’s all… if Torbor was say, LB depth, then great.
i dont see how buffalo would pick mcintyre over ferguson
they have the same skill sets ferguson is faster was a running back in college ran for 3564 yards and 34 tds in college i see more plays in the playbook if he was there and not mcintyre and ferguson is a cheaper option with same/better on field play