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Bills GM Nix: O-Line Was "Main Emphasis" Entering Last April

Buffalo Bills GM Buddy Nix is not an unpopular Buffalo sports figure at the moment. That doesn't mean he's not prone to a little criticism, and most Bills fans that have voiced displeasure with Nix's decisions to date have centered their arguments around the status quo at critical positions like quarterback, the offensive line and the pass rush.

If you didn't pick up today's edition of The Buffalo News, which features an incredibly comprehensive Bills season preview, you missed out. It's not too late - go check it out. The best piece, in your humble narrator's opinion, is Mark Gaughan's interview and profile of the aforementioned Mr. Nix. One quote in particular from Gaughan's piece stuck out, as it directly pertains to many of the lingering complaints Nix faces. (You know, aside from "showing us the baby.")

Many NFL general managers dodge questions pertaining to draft strategy, choosing not to reveal the thought process behind the most trivial of issues (such as why the team picked a particular player); canned answers are all too frequent. Nix was forthright with Gaughan, saying that upgrading the offensive line "was our main emphasis going into the draft."

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Here's the Nix quote, as reported by Gaughan, in its entirety:

"We felt like we needed to upgrade our offensive line," Nix said of the assessment after he was hired. "We started out looking for that. That was our main emphasis going into the draft. But by the time we got through doing our work, there was one or two guys we felt really strongly about coming in and helping us. And neither one of them were there."

As Gaughan notes, it's fair to claim that those "one or two" players were offensive tackles Russell Okung and Trent Williams, who were both selected prior to the Bills' No. 9 overall pick.

Nix explained to Gaughan that once those two players were gone, the team didn't want to reach to fill a need at the expense of getting a good player. He's been very forthright about this philosophy of his since the moment he was named the team's GM, but we'll quote him again here just to hammer the point home.

"Here's the way I feel. Obviously you want to fill the need. That's obvious. If you can, you do. But you don't fill the need at the expense of making sure it's a good player. You fill a need with a guy who can play and you upgrade your football team. If you can't then you go to the one that can."

The Bills obviously took C.J. Spiller in lieu of an offensive linemen they weren't wholly comfortable with - Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga come to mind - and whether you're pleased with that decision philosophically or not, I don't think anyone can deny that Spiller has, in fact, upgraded this football team.

I put this into a post of its own during Dolphins week, just a few days in advance of the season opener, for a very good reason - it's incredibly important information. Probably not timely information, but important nonetheless, particularly considering the future direction of the team.

First and foremost, it only strengthens the fact that Nix isn't going to be a needs-based drafter. Don't expect him to try to fill a need unless he sees a very strong prospect at acceptable value on the board (Torell Troup comes to mind). Good teams have been built well through multiple philosophies; we all should be fully aware at this point exactly how Nix approaches things.

The other point to note here, however, is that it can be fairly claimed that Nix's desire to fix the offensive line didn't evaporate when his two favorite line prospects didn't fall to him in April. True, the Bills return four 2009 opening-day starters along the front five, and the fifth - Cornell Green - seems to be merely a reactionary signing after the retirement of Brad Butler. But the Bills have completely re-tooled the back end of their depth chart, choosing to employ youngsters with upside. Jamon Meredith and Ed Wang have raw tools to work with at tackle; Cordaro Howard is an excellent athlete at guard; and Kraig Urbik has the potential to be an excellent run blocker.

Understand, also, that I'm not writing this to try to abate some of the criticism Nix is still getting. I'm certainly not trying to claim that Nix doesn't like the upside of the linemen he does have, either; that will obviously change if those linemen improve this year.

The only thing that ultimately matters about Nix past, present and future is the decisions he makes. He decided to take Spiller, and he decided not to address the offensive line in any meaningful way at the top of the depth chart. Going forward, however, this is useful information to have. We have an unusually good idea about how our favorite team's GM reasons out decisions, and we know that, barring a drastic increase in the level of play along Buffalo's offensive front, his assessment entering the 2010 NFL Draft isn't likely to change next April. Store this one in the back of your mind, folks - it's critical information for next March and April.

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Excellent write up – rec’d even though we’re not regional yet.

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

this is one of my favorite articles ever – I just love this – very well put together and it’s great that Nix is so candid.

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the way Nix handles himself, too.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

His public relations skills are his least admirable asset in my opinion (although I realize some of it is a “folksy” act).

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 9, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

not an act

it’s called southern dialect and has nothing to do with his public relations skills.. in the same way people hear English accents and assume the person is sharp, smart whatever, which isn’t true. Nix is really really impressive where it matters most – building a football team. I have the utmost confidence in him cuz he simply knows football players.

by jmkney on Sep 9, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing to do with dialect

He’s brash about his abilities and dismissive about doubters. What I mean by “folksy” is he’ll often pretend he doesn’t understand verb agreement in an attempt to juxtapose his cockiness with self deprecation (which I detect as an act) and maintain some likability. My cringing at his press conferences have nothing to do with the region of the country Nix hails from, rather it has everything to do with my feeling that this organization has been condescending with its fan base for awhile now and find Nix’s routine to be tired (no matter the accent)…hope he’s right about his abilities though; I’m not tired of winning football games.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 9, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

verb agreement

…my cringing HAS…damn it, Buddy.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 9, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not an act

I live in West Georgia 15 minutes from the Alabama border, and everyone here that’s a local talks just like Nix does. Not just accent or dialect…the verb agreement/disagreement is just how they talk.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 9, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

way people hear English accents and assume the person is sharp, smart whatever, which isn’t true.

it is true :-)

The past is fixed, the future is unknown, try dealing with the present!
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by gregeng on Sep 10, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

What, that your not smart? Glad that you agree ;-)

Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.

by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Buddy Nix would mind Tony Ugoh very much.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

by dnvrBillsfan on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because Tony Ugoh is not a very good football player, and he never was. Not in college, certainly not at Indy.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, alright!

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

by dnvrBillsfan on Sep 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

but is he worse than say green or meridth??

I would think ugoh would be a pretty solid rt for us
thoughts

by Gpluehri on Sep 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t even count Green in that conversation, because he’s entrenched as the starter at RT as long as he doesn’t make major mistakes and cost the team games. Nix will try to squeeze everything he can get out of that three-year contract.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

you think he will start there next year?

i do not, is is getting really old and has looked slow in the pre season

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Sep 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said – “Nix will try to squeeze everything he can get out of that three-year contract.”

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may try, but I’m not sure he can. Though I am very high on Nix generally, I suspect Cornell Green is going to turn out to be his biggest mistake this year, and that it is going to become apparent early in the season that he is a disaster at RT. If that happens, Meredith can take over as the starter, which should be ok, but it leaves us with no depth whatsoever if there are injuries to either Meredith or Bell (Wang is a long way from being ready). I’ll be happy to be proved wrong on this, but Green’s record and his performance during the preseason are a real cause for worry. We’ll see.

by Macktruck on Sep 9, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed that Green won't be that good

He was better than the other options though.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 9, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i swear meredith whiffed on a few preseason blocks. i think cornell might be juuust enough

by sketchydave on Sep 10, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He sure did, but was that while playing LT or RT? He’s best on the right side. Meanwhile, Green whiffed on two big blocks that resulted in pretty violent sacks for Trent. That’s a lot worse than any of Meredith’s failings.

by Macktruck on Sep 10, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Pashos and Alex Barron were both available around the same time and would have been noticeably better than Green (which I admit is not saying much). Perhaps they didn’t want to come to Buffalo (though Pashos ended up in Cleveland), but money usually solves that. Both are starting RT’s at present.

by Macktruck on Sep 10, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could Add

That Nix wants to rotate players on offensive line, keeping them fresh or whatever. Just saying starters might not be as important in his rotation?

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Sep 9, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, yes – either way, probably not.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely. Much, much bigger worries at this point than Cornell Green.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever will we all do when one day all we have to worry about is the Bills’ QB only throwing for 2 TDs and 200 yards? What happens when the sky is blue and the water is safe to go into?

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood

Song recommendation of the week: Cracker - "Euro-Trash Girl"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that i’m usually this pessimistic but he first thing that popped into my mind while reading that was Love Canal…what if the water is never safe? Man I hope Nix turns us around.

Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.

by Trashplate on Sep 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I can answer that. We’ll happily watch the Bills play and root like no tomorrow. And then, after the game, we’ll have a strong and unreasonable urge to watch the Lions game, too.

And if the Lions are having a good year too (heaven knows they deserve one), then there’s always self-flagellation.

"We can't injure our elbows patting ourselves on the back." --Chan Gailey

by Caymon on Sep 9, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you go anywhere near Ugoh, if you're Buddy Nix.

Why should the team bring in someone simply because they can be counted on not to be “worse” than what’s in-house? Shouldn’t we rather admire they only bring in guys who they feel excell where they need them to excell? Green was the wild card because they needed a body.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood

Song recommendation of the week: Cracker - "Euro-Trash Girl"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second Round Pick?

Who has started for the Colts and is only 26 years old…

He is injured currently with a toe injury, and the Colts needed to make a move, but I at least currently would like to bring him in more than I would like to Keep Ed Wang

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s possible that Nix views him as a better prospect than Meredith or Wang, but he’s got to be put off by that injury history. And the fact that he couldn’t beat out Charlie Johnson.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree today

That we shouldn’t bring him in, but after week one, his salary doesn’t have to be guaranteed.

We will see I am sure

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urbik

Urbik was a pure Offensive Guard coming out of college. The question I have to wonder is, did Buffalo pick him up not only for the fact that he was a quality player to add depth, but with the hope of moving Wood to Center and Urbik to guard and kick Hangratner eventually to the swing C-G.

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i think that is a possibility

only if he improves a lot over the year and next year.

Look for Nix to attack next year’s draft very much the same way as this year. He will look to fill needs on the line and the pass rush and QB and CB position, but will get the best player available at the top of the draft excluding RB.

The only positions we are at all comfortable at are DL and RB

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Sep 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only disagreement I have is

What if next year the best prospect available when we pick is a RB, what does Buddy do if he doesnt wanna reach and he doesnt wanna miss out on a sure fire stud what does he do theres no way he can do what he did this year again next year.

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He should be fired if they draft another RB!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

AGREED

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re missing the “upgrade the football team” point. Another running back, even one like Spiller (and there isn’t one out there this year), would not upgrade the football team.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it…..

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will say this regarding the “upgrade” point. There are some absolutely fabulous receiver and cornerback prospects that are likely to be in the 2011 NFL Draft. Buffalo can absolutely upgrade those positions. Everyone’s talking about the quarterbacks right now, but Bills fans need to be keenly aware of names like A.J. Green, Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

AJ Green FTW!!!!

Kid draws double coverage almost every play, but still gets it done… Tall, strong, fast, great hands…. dare I say??? Better than Calvin Johnson IMHO coming out..

But then… I’m a somewhat biased Dawg fan… Watch him yourselves though, and tell me I’m wrong…

The draft dawns a new year for Buffalo Bills fans, so let optimism reign supreme!!! After all, we are now, UNDEFEATED!!!!

by Cinga on Sep 9, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Bills need a QB and draft a WR with their first pick, we will have officially become the Matt Millon lead Lions.

If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.

by Joe P. on Sep 9, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can't be that bad

No matter how bad the Bills missed on Mike Williams and JP Losman, the Lions missed on Joey Harrington and Charles Rogers.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 9, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know that

Its just his philosiphy is to take the Best Player available, if what you want isnt there so i mean would he reach if the best player avaiable is a RB

I agree Spiller was probably the best player in this draft, but the Rams needed a QB and then you hav Suh who is a freak and the Lions needed help on D, MCCoy only time will tell, then Okung to the Seahawks but why didnt the Chiefs take Spiller that would have been a nasty 1 2 punch Charles and Spiller The Redskins take Williams, The Seahwaks tke the Safety when they need an RB too, Then The Raiders took McClain. Do you think had anyone of the guyys taken ahead of Spiller been available Buddy would have drafted them ( The Tackles not included) obviously he would have taken the tackles

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

why didnt the Chiefs take Spiller that would have been a nasty 1 2 punch Charles and Spiller

Easy: because Eric Berry was the best safety prospect that has come into the league in years and years. He’s got Ed Reed potential. He was need AND value.

And yes, I think it’s safe to say that had Okung or Williams been there, he’d have taken them.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what about the others

The Tackles its a no brainer, but what about Suh, McCoy, Bradford, McClain, Berry and Thomas

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not even sure what you’re asking anymore. Which team are you asking about?

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read it to mean the Bills taking those players.

by Pistol on Sep 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is correct

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course – why wouldn’t he?

those guys are elite talents – just like spiller – you take the elite talents if you have a chance – not the second rate talents in the first round like Bulaga, Tebow or whoever.

the list of guaranteed elite talents is small in the draft. Spiller, Suh, Berry are all elite talents

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that’s the case, then I’d imagine he’d have passed on Thomas, because Thomas brings a very similar skill set to what Jairus Byrd does. McCoy wasn’t a great fit for the defensive scheme, but I can’t say he would have passed, because he’s that talented.

It’s a no-brainer to say he’d have taken Bradford or Suh. I think he’d have taken Berry or McClain, but only if he had them rated ahead of Spiller.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for your honest answer

I just wonder how these other teams passed on Spiller especially Seattle!

Oakland I understand they just drafted McFadden, St. Louis obv Jackson, but Tampa Bay’s backfield isnt that great , The Lions had a bad backfield but obviously saw they got a steal with best that late.

To me its just crazy how some of these teams draft

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seattle

They took OT didn’t they? I believe they saw a need to replace dude that retired.

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Sep 9, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can tell you what he does.....

he attempts to trade the pick and get value in return

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by Jax Bills Fan on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he pulls an Eli Manning card out, perhaps.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood

Song recommendation of the week: Cracker - "Euro-Trash Girl"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m fairly certain Nix had more than 1 guy pegged to fill the slot Spiller sold him on. Spiller seemed to be a no-brainer. How many RBs peter out? Sorry Cincinnati!

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood

Song recommendation of the week: Cracker - "Euro-Trash Girl"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They picked him up

Because they thought he was the best available, and attainable. I can’t imagine they’re envisioning him pushing Wood to C. Sure they’d love for it to happen, but I can’t believe they’d expect it. I think they see some upside and hope they can develop him into a quality player. Beyond that, who knows!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 9, 2010 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not even push him

More Push Hangartner out of the lineup. He isn’t strong enough at the point of attack. Wood is a natural Center but the team had already brought a guy in for that in Geoff.

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urbik

Was a 3rd round pick with a lot of size and talent.

I doubt it happens this year, but Chris Brown always says the future for Wood is a center

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You always want Wood at center.

"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood

Song recommendation of the week: Cracker - "Euro-Trash Girl"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.

by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never understood why they moved him in the first place.

Hang played guard in Carolina as well, and I can’t believe that experience is that much more valuable at C than guard. Hasn’t Wood been making the calls a C makes his whole career?

CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.

by JPH on Sep 9, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The blocking schemes in the NFL are way more complex

And if the team has the choice, it’s better to start the future center at guard. Jason Brown and Andre Gurode were brought along in the same manner.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 9, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it might be a long term goal. But...

Urbik needs A LOT of work in pass protection. Ideally he would become a starting RG to move Wood over to C. But I think that either way by next season Wood will be at C with most likely Hangartner at RG.

Let’s not try to rush Urbik into action either. There is a reason why the Steelers waived him after all.

Starcraft II: the ultimate sleep depraver.

by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see Urbik as being in a similar situation as Meredith was in last year. Meredith was viewed as pretty lowly by GB yet he has definitely flashed talent and potential in Buffalo, but still, only within the context of depth. So Urbik has a chance, but thats it at this point.

Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.

by Trashplate on Sep 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think, nor do I hope that Nix has any long term plans for Urbik, or any player that he ever pulls from waivers. My guess is that NIx likes some of the things he’s observed and is going to give him an opportunity. Now I don’t disagree with the move; Urbik has some talent and potential. His draft status further confirms that, as does the fact that Whaley was the Steelers when they picked him, and knows what we’re getting. That said, The guy couldn’t make the Steelers 53 man roster, a team hurting for o-line talent and consistency, that also invested a 3rd rounder i him only two years ago. Clearly Urbik did not do well at all duing his time there. Having long term plans and expectations for a guy like that is probably not a sound strategy. I don’t think anyone in Bills managaement is counting on him to be more than depth.

Enjoying my annual three months of optimism.

by Trashplate on Sep 9, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pittsburgh o-line situation is so screwed up that being cut as Urbik was doesn’t indicate anything except that the Steelers can’t make good decisions on OG’s. Urbik played very well during the preseason and definitely deserved to make the roster. Their foolish loss is our gain.

by Macktruck on Sep 10, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to wonder, if McNeil were available right now, would Nix take a serious look?

"Football's gotta be dangerous. It's gotta be labor and pains." -Deacon Jones

by Undee on Sep 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure he'd take a serious look.

It’s his job. But I would bet that, one way or the other, his mind is made up on McNeill because of all his years in San Diego.

CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.

by JPH on Sep 9, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I hope he’s a bit more proactive in the future. Also, he has to believe that there were more than just 2 quality OL prospects. If he’s that selecvtive and picky, will we ever address these issues?!?!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Not if he doesnt like the talent at the spot. If they arent a 1st round talent, why draft them in the first round.

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by Superduff on Sep 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly!

if your picking at 9 but only really look at say 2 top 5 picks that isn’t really helping. I’m not saying don’t review every prospect who you think can help you but you can’t be that selective. Say next year we pick and the top 2 LT’s and QB’s on our board are picked….are we just going to go BPA or actually address a need?!?!

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by panekattack on Sep 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

if your picking at 9 but only really look at say 2 top 5 picks that isn’t really helping.

I hope you know that Nix meant as far as the Offensive Tackles went…..i’m sure there were other positions that were considered.

you think that Nix would have taken Suh, Bradford etc… if they fell? of course – he was talking specifically about the tackles

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just asked that question

I think he takes Bradford, and I think he might have taken McClain but not the safeties

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Suh, but not McCoy

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand that

i’m just saying if a guy is a top 5 talent and your picking out of the top 5 you can’t say ooo well we only liked him eventually you have to address the need whether the draft or free agency

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by panekattack on Sep 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

but there was too much of a drop off in talent.

after Bradford went – Tebow went 24 picks later and that was a major reach by Denver if you ask me.

Bulaga was the only LT left to consider and he went to the packers at 23 and is a backup on one of the worst lines in the NFL last season.

A.Davis is more of a RT – but he’s starting at RT for hte 49ers.

we just upgraded our offense and football team majorly with Spiller – I still don’t get why people don’t like the philosophy. it’s staring you right int he face

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I'm not saying that

I liked the spiller pick the more i looked into it, any player can be picked at any spot would it have been a reach taking Brady in the 3rd round or even the 4th instead of him falling that far? It’s just how you evaluate the player….but if he feels line an QB are positions that need upgrade you can’t disregard them for another year

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by panekattack on Sep 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically

you can’t take BPA all the time that philosophy won’t work forever

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by panekattack on Sep 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no it won’t – but he’s only drafted 9 guys and it’s his first year on the job…….

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s his first year on the job

Hold the phone! Nix has been in football since Roosevelt was President (and I mean Teddy!)

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by fansince60 on Sep 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

as GM……… – old man :)

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll ignore the insult.

A new title doesn’t define or improve one’s knowledge. Buddy knew what he knew before they “put GM” after his name – Sonny :-)

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by fansince60 on Sep 9, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn’t an insult…….

what I meant was this was the first draft he had run – as in he was the decision maker – he hadn’t done that before. so he was a virgin drafter

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it doesn't change that he's only had 1 draft.

he’s overhauling the roster, BPA in your first draft makes perfect sense. Especially for a team that lacks a superstar anywhere on the field.

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by JPH on Sep 9, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

I’m tired of people griping about picking up Spiller. The guy is a joy to watch, and while it’s easy for us to sit here and backseat drive on which positions we think he should have addressed, Nix made the smart move. The offense is better simply by Spiller being on the field. I never expected the Bills to take Spiller, but once they did I was actually quite excited about it.

Yes, I think we need upgrades along the offensive line. But some of that upgrade will happen naturally as this relatively young line gets some more experience. If they can stay healthy, this line should mature quite nicely over the year. But drafting a player out of where they’re projected to fall just to fill a need is a wasted pick in my book. Trade down in the draft or pick up the best player available who will help your team. Nix did the right thing here, and years down the road when we’re all singing praises about Spiller, just remember he wouldn’t be here if the Bills wasted a pick just to “fill a need”.

by jcey on Sep 9, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why cant you be Selective of a top 10 pick if

you have to pay them top 10 money? if you reach at that position, you overpay heavily. If he was drafting at the 20th spot say; yes there is more room to be “picky”. But top ten, with top then money, you have to take a guy that is an ELITE talent, as they will be paid top dollar.

by NHBillzFan on Sep 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to believe K didn’t specifically mean “2 quality OL prospects in the first round”.

This was my argument this morning with J2. If they didn’t wanna take a tackle at 9, fine. If you don’t see the value in Bulaga at 9, fine. But, it shouldn’t be, “Welp, we didn’t get one of our top 2 guys at tackle, so….let’s just not worry about it till next year.” At some point, they need to take someone…and I don’t consider Wang in the 5th round addressing the issue.

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by Jon Harrington on Sep 9, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you read the rest of article?

But the Bills have completely re-tooled the back end of their depth chart, choosing to employ youngsters with upside. Jamon Meredith and Ed Wang have raw tools to work with at tackle; Cordaro Howard is an excellent athlete at guard; and Kraig Urbik has the potential to be an excellent run blocker

there have been major changes.

it seems people forget that we have a pretty darn good Guard duo starting in Levitre and Wood. Hangartner is certainly able to at least hold his own.

we’re talking about the 2 tackle spots – if what they want isn’t there they why woudl they reach for them? Some drafts are more loaded with talent.

Look at the Colts – they have had one of the worst lines in the league last year and just cut their startign LT from a year ago and are starting basically the same guys and Polian is usually thought of as one of the best GMs in the game.

The packers went after bulaga and he’s a backup – he was picked at 24.

isn’t it conceivable that once the draft as it did they just had players graded out so that taking a tackle would have hurt the team more?

Like Staffold over Troup – isn’t it conceivable that Troup was rated much higher than Staffold and that’s why he was the pick?

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I did read the article. Apparently, I’m horrible at making my point because you continually insist I have some problem with BPA. I don’t. At all. It is, IMHO, 1000X better than drafting for need.

< Side notes > employing Meredith, Wang, Urbik, and Cordaro Howard as depth linemen aren’t “major upgrades” unless they actually see the field – which, God-willing, they won’t. Nix doesn’t get credit for Meredith, Levitre, Wood, or Hangartner because those decisions were made prior to his GM-ship. </ side note>

My issue is that, for some reason, we’re all lauding Nix because he said O-line was the “Main Emphasis” or because he’s honest – I’m not sure which, but it doesn’t really matter. He said o-line was the “Main Emphasis” entering April, and that resulted in Cornell Green, Cordaro Howard, and Ed Wang. Hooray? If they had other non-tackle players rated higher and that’s why they didn’t select an OL, good, great, grand, wonderful. I hope those players work out.

It appears everyone is lauding Nix for 1 of 2 reasons:

1- He recognized the o-line is completely debacled

I’m not sure why this deserves praise. We all recognize the o-line stinks. He didn’t do anything to upgrade it (no, Cordaro Howard and Ed Wang aren’t upgrades) so why do I care? He got other players that they had rated higher. Okay, great – so why do I care that o-line was the main emphasis?

2 – He’s honest

I couldn’t care less if he tells me the truth or completely lies to me. I’ve grown to accept that this is what NFL teams do because they have to (or believe they have to) throw other teams off the trail. Yes, it’s refreshing that we, as fans, get to hear what the team is thinking – especially considering the circle of suck at the front office level that we’ve had to suffer through the past few years. But, this doesn’t absolve him of any future mistakes.

I have no issue with Brian posting this – because when our GM talks, it’s newsworthy. I just don’t get why everyone’s falling in love with Nix because he’s honest. I’ll fall in love with Nix when he delivers me a quality NFL football team – or, as our friend Jason likes to say, when Nix “shows me the baby.” Until then, lie to me all you want.

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by Jon Harrington on Sep 9, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

they had other non-tackle players rated higher and that’s why they didn’t select an OL, good, great, grand, wonderful. I hope those players work out.

yes – I beleive that is the case

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

My thought would be get a good seat in the waiting room, because it’ll be more than 9 months before this baby is gonna be ready for some football!!!

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by buffalobacker on Sep 9, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 9, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most excellent post...rec'd

I especially love

He said o-line was the "Main Emphasis" entering April, and that resulted in Cornell Green, Cordaro Howard, and Ed Wang. Hooray? I

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by Joe P. on Sep 9, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reports had it that the Bills went after Rodger Saffold hard

The problem with this article is the assumption that the two OT’s the Bills wanted were Okung and Williams. That’s no more than Mark Gaughn’s guess, but if the reports I read during the draft are correct then Gaughn is wrong. They said that the Bills tried hard to trade up into the back of the first round or the first slot of the second round in order to land Rodger Saffold, who is now the starting LT for the Rams and is said to be doing extremely well for a rookie. THAT is the second OT that Nix wanted to land aside from Okung (who he knew he would never get). The problem was that Nix couldn’t find a trading partner. He was hoping that the Rams would trade, but they picked Saffold themselves.

If these reports were accurate (and it’s very hard to know at this point whether they were, although they seem plausible to me), then Nix did try hard to upgrade the OL in the 2010 draft. It’s a shame he didn’t succeed, because Saffold would now be one of our starting OT’s and the prospects for the upcoming season would be a lot brighter.

by Macktruck on Sep 9, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buddy Nix..I like you.

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by Michael_Necci on Sep 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I real;ly feel it goes without saying

Buddy Nix is an honest man who is the perfect fit for a diehard football community.

I really feel that himself and Chan included have faith in Demetrius Bell, They have to or they would have at least broght in someone to at least compete with Bell, its crazy how we as a fan base are very quick to throw a guy like Bell under the Bus, he has been here for 3 years, Year 1 he didnt play game, Year 2 he had alot of penalties but really didnt look that good this is his third year in the league, hes had the chance to grow as a player, mature as a person and really become part of the football team, im expecting big things from Karl Malones estranged son this year.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Even more so

This is the second staff that liked him enough to be a starter for the team.

I can hate the old coaching staff all I want, but they cut Langston for this kid, then the current staff came in, looked at him and said. You know, we’ll always look to upgrade the team but with the options available to us he is the best choice.

Bell has a ton of potential, question is will it show up on the field this weekend

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprised he didn’t mention trying to trade up for guy from Indiana—Saffold—I hear he’s doing very well @ LT for Rams.

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by radan on Sep 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Look at Bulaga

He had a first round grade, and was taken by the Packers and might not even start for them and they had a bad O-Line last year too.

Its tough to look back and say damn we missed this or that, but Spiller looks like hes a star on the field.

I know blocking is important but we didnt “Miss” our pick

by Bill from LI on Sep 9, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bulaga is a a backup right now

listed on packers.com as both the LG and LT backup

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

at worst Bulaga would have been our starting RT this year

I would rather of had him than Green

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by Joe P. on Sep 9, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

at the expense of the play making ability of Spiller? glad you’re not running the show….

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah....because Spiller is the only RB in this draft with play making ability....riiiiigggghhhhtttttt!

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by Joe P. on Sep 9, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

no – because you’re talking about trading a backup LT to the ability of game changer in Spiller.

here’s a question – if you were to draft a LT in the first round – would you expect them to start? if you answer honestly you’d say yes and he’s not doing that.

I don’t understand where your coming from with that i guess

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oher didn't start the season as the starter at LT.....I suppose you wouldn't want him either?

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by Joe P. on Sep 9, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He started at RT – so he was a stater. Spiller’s a starter – Bulaga is not a starter – he’s a backup.

Instead of getting guys with potential like Bulaga or Maybin or McKelvin – we drafted a sure fire big play ability player

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares.....you said LT. Oher is now the LT

Talk to me about Bulaga if he doesn’t crack the starting lineup by the end of the year. Who cares if it takes a year for him to become a starting LT? Not like we are contenders this year.

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by Joe P. on Sep 9, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix also could have traded down

Like Denver and Miami did, maybe got a lower first plus second. That’s never a bad strategy if you have many holes to fill.

by Rick A on Sep 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

ugggh

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a terrible strategy when you need gamebreakers

Trading down is good when you have Brandon Marshall, Ronnie Brown, Jake Long these guys are gamebreakers

Denver, look what trading down got them nowhere but a path straight criticism row, Denver is headed in the wrong direction, IMHO

Taking Spiller was a drug to enticing not to take

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 9, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A more focused question is Spiller worth more to the Bills than Wood (late first) plus Levitre (second).

I’ll ask the question again in five years.

by Rick A on Sep 9, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix also could have traded down

Coulda Woulda Shoulda!!! The Bills got the best RB with big play potential coming out of the draft so why trade down——only to get the 5th or 6th rated O-lineman. Maybe he tried to trade down and couldn’t find a team willing to trade, we will never know. Just get use to watching “Spiller the Thriller” electrify the Ralph…..

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by Goose22 on Sep 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just get use to watching "Spiller the Thriller" electrify the Ralph…..

awwwww yeeaaaaaaaaa

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another team has to agree to trade up with them. 2 to tango.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. Denver traded #13 for #24 and two thirds. What was #9 worth? I wonder if Nix looked for a trade after Okung and Williams were taken.

by Rick A on Sep 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

not with as fast as the pick went up. He sent the pick in as soon as we were on the clock. No way he was shopping the pick.

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by NolaBillsFan on Sep 9, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

with the way chan has used him

I think Chan was pulling for CJ all along, and the rest of the org. had come around to the idea. Hard as it is to imagine, I think they were ecstatic that he fell to them.

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by JPH on Sep 9, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to reiterate what Brian stated earlier in this thread: I really like how Buddy handles himself. He’s a straight shooter who knows the game in and out and knows what it takes to create a winning team; will that, you’ll probably ask, equal more wins for the Bills proportionally each year? I have NO clue at all, because at the end of the day this game is also about being lucky sometimes, I know it’s a cliché, but I really believe that’s true. If it wasn’t for the fact that Russell Okung and/or Trent Williams weren’t on the board, we wouldn’t based on Nix’s comments have picked Spiller, and seeing how dominant I realize Spiller has the potential to be, I will take that deal.
We found a guy like David Nelson, an undrafted gem, who has played extremely well and looks to get better and better.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Sep 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

We can only hope David Nelson is the Bills’ Miles Austin. It’s funny, because as one-of-a-kind as I felt Austin looked, I did a double take when I met Nelson in camp this summer. He looks a lot like Austin.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 9, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix

Saw this today and didn’t think too much of it cuz Nix has been more than willing to share draft strategy it seems, but this is as good of insight as you’ll get in the media from a GM. As long as Nix can hit on those mid round picks like Carrington, Easley, etc, then we have a chance. We need a LT, DE to make this re-build work, and I hope to God we can find those players in the next 2 seasons.

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by MARVelous on Sep 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I propose...

…we track who keeps griping about drafting Spiller, then ban them from singing his praises if and when he turns into the stud most are expecting him to be. If we’re wrong and Spiller turns out to be a flop? Fine, you can give us a big case of “I told you so.” But you know what? I’m tired of the crying about it. Get over it! IMO, the Bills took one of the top RB’s to come out of college in the past 5-10 years with all the tools to become a Thurmon Thomas type all-purpose stud.

by jcey on Sep 9, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don’t see anyone here griping about picking Spiller specifically. The gripes I’ve seen are philosophical, and not based on players.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes but no

By constantly criticizing the move to get Spiller instead of trading down or picking someone out of position, people are saying that it was a bad pick. You can’t really have it both ways on this though. It was either a good pick and Spiller is going to do more for this team in the long run. Or you think it’s a bad pick thinking that the skills Spiller bring to the table aren’t worth it, and the team should have instead picked OL that may or may not have turned out to be an upgrade for the offense.

by jcey on Sep 9, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a difference between saying that it was a bad pick and saying that there were better options available.

by stetzwebs on Sep 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not seeing better options thrown out in here though. We don’t know if Nix tried to trade down. Maybe he did, but couldn’t find someone willing to give him what he felt the 9th pick was worth. The only way I’d say he failed with this pick was if he didn’t look at other options—which I sincerely don’t believe happened. Taking a player with the 9th pick way out of position definitely isn’t a better option. So what are we left with?

Seems like some people are too stuck on the “draft for need” mentality to sit back and really appreciate the Spiller pick. Unlike tackles they may have picked up by trading down who may or may not have improved the team, Spiller has already made this team better.

by jcey on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree. I’m just saying, I think people are saying there were better options, not that it was a bad pick.

by stetzwebs on Sep 9, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put Brian… For instance I see a much bigger upgrade from Baluga to Green than Spiller to Jackson/Lynch. That is not to take anything away with how amazing Spiller can be, it is a direct comfort level in Jackson/Lynch and my over all feelings on the “value” of RB’s.

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"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 9, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Sep 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I would also like to point out your other point in the “draft rules” post:

Unless you can draft a sure-fire All-Pro running back, don’t draft a RB in the first round. Unless you have Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson available when you select, pass on a running back, regardless of the grade. Good running backs can be found later in the draft.

I know we haven’t played a regular season game yet – but Spiller sure looks the part. here’s to hoping!

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by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand by my rule

Spiller’s success regardless, given the same set of variables, I don’t draft a RB in the first round.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 9, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dead on and I think you and Nix would both agree that this past draft, that is what he did

I like the fact he is honest about why he made the choices he did when you look at the picks in the context of his philosophy. I have good hopes for this upcoming draft and our approach to it.

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by WABillsfan on Sep 9, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the Chargers rebuild fondly, and it gives me great hope.

by stetzwebs on Sep 9, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simple, clear, direct…and correct! Well stated DJ

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by TexasBillsFanatic on Sep 10, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s also obvious to me that Nix ranks character way up there. It looks as though his draft philosophy precludes drafting anyone (regardless of talent) with questionable character issues. I’d like someone to ask him specifically why he didn’t consider Anthony Davis? Was his playing grade the reason or was it character issues (or both)? Would Nix have ever considered Dez Bryant?
 
I have read that Nix prefers to pick up offensive linemen later in the draft. This contradicts what he said to Gaughan and what he did in San Diego. Could it be that he prefers to draft interior offensive linemen later but LT or RT earlier? Hope so.

I’m a big fan of Nix’s first Buffalo draft. We now have a real playmaker. Something lamented by many and sorely needed. He is taking the long term, multi year view. Good for him. And he has what may be the rarest quality of all in sports. The ability to judge talent as it translates to the playing field. He’s just what this team needs at this time.

And for their first pick in the 2011 draft the Buffalo Bills select ...........

by keuka121 on Sep 9, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Upgrading the offensive line

should have been the priority the last dozen years!! It just shows you how stupid the previous GMs and drafters for the Bills were. At least Buddy has a clue about what’s important. We’ll improve under the new regime but – remember fans – we’re not going to become winners overnight. It might take a couple of years but Gailey and Nix are a helluva improvement over what we’ve endured this decade.

by ccthemovieman on Sep 9, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Nix.

I don’t know if I am parroting anyone here because i didn’t read all the posts but I love Nix’s candidness. I believe the reason those guys never open up about their draft philosophy is because it opens them up down the road to derision. If Beluga or another o-lineman picked after Spiller ends up being great and Spiller doesn’t people will forever say he blew it. Think Patrick Willis or Oher. Seems to me that Nix has been around long enough to have realized that the draft is a huge crapshoot so it’s better to take someone you feel strongly about in a positive way than someone you just ain’t sure about. He’s also been around long enough to know that this ain’t rocket science, players can play and potential might not.

by bflobob8 on Sep 9, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Buddy.......

He has been around the game longer than I’ve been alive. He’s been in good and bad organizations, and he knows what right looks like.
Right now, I have complete faith.
And I respect him because he calls it like he sees it, and doesn’t use a lot of “Coach-speak.” Why would he, he’s 70 years old and in his dream job.
He’s gonna run it exactly like he wants to.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 9, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nix

So just to make sure we all love Nix because he didn’t address the O-line and was honest about it… Really that is what it comes down to.

And for heaven’s sake someone explain Cornell Green to me? If it is simply a reactionary signing than can we agree that was a poor choice by Nix. Dare I say we would be happier with… Langston Walker.

"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards

"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 9, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

So just to make sure we all love Nix because he didn’t address the O-line and was honest about it… Really that is what it comes down to.

I really hope you don’t mean that – because that’d be pretty lame……

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry – I meant:

I really hope you don’t believe that

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green

Can we at least wait till the games count before we bash Green? Are we really questioning Green based solely on pre-season reps? Nix just needs to call 1-800 " Rent A Pro" the way your talking. You assume Nix hasn’t tried to upgrade OL, why is that? Are you privy to some insider info that confirms Nix hasn’t reached out to FA OL this past off season? I’m sure Nix and Chan are well aware of OL issues, and they don’t come across as stupid, give’em a chance!!

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Sep 9, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Results

I don’t care what Nix “tried” to do… Ultimately it comes down to what he was able to do… So far our “upgrade” is Green at RT.

"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards

"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 9, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

For once in a long while as Bills fans we are fortunate

nix and gailey have done everything they said they would do

i prefer that nix has a jaded no BS attitude, the southern drawls from nix and gailey are sweet.

when i read an article with them being quoted i just hear the south when i read it back to myself.

we need to remember they are paid to evaluate, i finish drywall and these guys making common sense moves for once in a long time means hey we should give em the benefit of the doubt and trust em for a bit

by sketchydave on Sep 10, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Part of me wants to really believe him

But after really thinking about this, is it possible he was blowing smoke and basically taking away some accountability if/when this year’s OL failed? In other words…“there were a couple of guys that we felt would really help us, but we couldn’t get them, so we went with our next best option…standing pat. There’s nothing else we could really do….”

By saying they only liked two prospects in this year’s draft, he’s basically telling us that they couldn’t do anything to address this OL problem. Is that truthful? I think that could either be patently false or a major cop-out. What if he had told us that they only liked one QB, but couldn’t get him (Bradford)? Is that supposed to make a fanbase feel better about the current situation and all avenues that they could have pursued? Why bother saying this?

Also, there were other ways to try to address the OL woes, but they didn’t utilize any of them (draft, trade up in draft, FA, trade). Again, why even tell us this? Saying that the OL was the ‘main emphasis’ going into draft weekend, and doing nothing to support that seems a bit shallow to me.

Will we hear something like this next year when QB, OL, pass rush, etc aren’t addressed at all all offseason? I don’t want to hear these hollow quotes when we still have these major problems! I want proactive movement and a front office that’s aggressive trying to get results. Sure, maybe they really did believe that only Williams and Okung were feasible immediate upgrades, but at the same time don’t tell us that the ‘main emphasis’ was the OL and then do nothing but add Cornell Green. After all these years of a reactionary front office and coaching staff, I want this new regime to go out and get things done. If they don’t succeed, fine, but I want them to try.

Please note, I’m not the type to want the Bills to make moves just to make moves. I don’t want them reaching for players. I don’t want them bringing in players they don’t like. I am ok with bringing in what they believe are the best players available. But I also want the problems that have been plaguing this roster for years addressed and I’m sick of hearing all the talk. I want results and I want this team built for the long haul!!! Let’s just hope that they can accomplish these things next offseason, which is going to be a very, very important time for this franchise.

/ranty

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 2:17 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Why bother saying this?

A fair question, and one I don’t think you need motive to answer. If Nix is anything, it’s uncomfortable talking to the media. Just like when he said Trent had the best camp, I got the sense that Nix was just talking; saying things that were true that most GMs would hold back, because they don’t need to say it. I got absolutely zero motive out of Nix’s words, to be quite honest.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 10, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with that

I really don’t believe much of what he says. Much of it seems to be “GM-speak” so to say.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the contrary, I believe it. I believe the vast majority of it. All I’m saying is that he has no reason to share it.

by Brian Galliford on Sep 10, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

K - you're kind of missing the point
Sure, maybe they really did believe that only Williams and Okung were feasible immediate upgrades, but at the same time don’t tell us that the ‘main emphasis’ was the OL and then do nothing but add Cornell Green

it was the main emphais going into the DRAFT.

We started out looking for that. That was our main emphasis going into the draft. But by the time we got through doing our work, there was one or two guys we felt really strongly about coming in and helping us. And neither one of them were there

FA and Trades were not part of that quote – which means that yes, there were only 2 guys they thought was an upgrade to what they had.

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

there were only 2 guys they thought was an upgrade to what they had.

I should add – in the first round,. at least that’s how I took it – as in what they were going to do at 9

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

If he was only talking about pick #9, it would make a lot more sense. But to say the only two players in the entire draft that could help the porous OL were already taken is a big shortsighted to me.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that Nix was very forthright about wanting an immediate contributor at No. 9, and it makes it a lot easier to understand, no?

by Brian Galliford on Sep 10, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I understand completely about the instant impact

I’m thinking more generally here though. Talking about the OL as the main emphasis, while also wanting instant impact is fine. But then only addressing what is seeming to big his biggest question mark with nothing but Green all offseason seems a bit hollow to me. That’s all. I’m not questioning/criticizing the Spiller pick here, just wondering aloud why the “main emphasis” of the draft wasn’t more proactively addressed anywhere this offseason.

I’m expecting the Bills to go OL heavy next offseason assuming we continue to struggle there.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha – pretty easy assumption to make! :)

by Brian Galliford on Sep 10, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily…it was easy to assume they’d go OL heavy this past off-season too.

by stetzwebs on Sep 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Main emphasis

When Nix says the OL is the “main emphasis” entering the draft, he is essentially saying the OL needs help. I know exactly what he was talking about and that he was referencing the draft. The quote was indeed about the draft, but also indicated the bigger problem.

No matter what he meant, I don’t see the need to talk about this now, nor do I like how this quote seems to take away some accountability from the decisions he made.

I guess maybe he said this as sort of a compliment to who we have, although that seems like something he would say but not truly believe. At least I hope he wouldn’t believe in that!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

K - Spot on

It comes down to this… Nix didn’t see any viable options via the draft, free agency, trade, etc. in upgrading our OL situation this year.

What if they same goes for next year… and next? Then he is not providing a solution, just making excuses. So far what I like about Nix is the “show me the baby” remark, because that means he get’s it. This is a result oriented league. You win, people respect you, no matter how you get it done (Patriots), you lose you don’t earn cred no matter how good of a guy you are (see Matt Millen). Nix HAS to be held responsible for the moves he has made or lack thereof.

My argument lately has been to try to influence people to understand not to necessarily buy into a “plan”, because so far the “plan” has been a lot of rationale as to what has not been accomplished.

"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards

"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 10, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

because so far the "plan" has been a lot of rationale as to what has not been accomplished.

exactly!!

the dudes been on the job for a whopping 7 months – HOW COULD HE ACCOMPLISH MAKING THIS TEAM A CONTENDER??

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Talk about the sky is falling, the sky is falling. What exactly are your expectations? Bill’s FO were said to be actively pursuing high profile coaches and players during off season. Most if not all inquires were met with " thanks , but no thanks". You expecting OBD to use gun play and force these players at gun point to play for the Bill’s? Or better yet let’s just throw $$$ at these people, whatever it takes! You keep mentioning that Nix has a plan, I’ll quess that Nix hasn’t shared with you his plan, so how can you berate a plan you no nothing about? Nix was hired by Ralph to improve this team, I believe he’s been given at least a full year or two to achieve that goal of improving. Where were you during their search for front office help? Are you over qualified?

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by buffalobacker on Sep 10, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your last part

Nix seems to be getting a ton of love for just talking and very little action. He can talk all he wants, but until the product on the field is better, he’s just spewing hot air to me.

So far what I like about Nix is the "show me the baby" remark, because that means he get’s it.

Maybe he understands that talk is cheap, but he has yet to show us he gets how to build a winner in Buffalo. That remains to be seen, and we just have to be hopeful that he can get it done.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nix seems to be getting a ton of love for just talking and very little action

I hope you don’t think that’s true – because that’s just stupid.

Nix hired Gailey who I really like – he’s going to move the offense and is an upgrade over DJ for sure
Doug Whaley and front office organizational structure
Hiring Edwards for the 3-4 when he’s known as a very good teacher
Spiller…..

i can go on – you know these things – to say that talk is the reason why we like him is short sighted and completely wrong.

 seems like some of you guys get hung up on some of the comments because we like his candor and apparant straight shooter attitude and completely forget that he’s done some things for this football team already that looks promising.

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?
I hope you don’t think that’s true – because that’s just stupid.

Read through the comments in this article, friend. It’s just an opinion, no need to be calling it stupid, man.

i can go on – you know these things – to say that talk is the reason why we like him is short sighted and completely wrong.

Please explain to me how that is wrong, even though that’s not what I was saying anyhow.

Also, I’d love to know how I’ve forgotten the good things he’s done here? What does that have to do with these comments of his anyways?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please explain to me how that is wrong, even though that’s not what I was saying anyhow.

because he has done things that give me an honest to goodness good feeling about how this rebuild is going to take place.

to say that it’s his words are the reason why I or we like him is so off base I feel it’s stupid.

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I never said it was the only reason he is liked

Nor did I even say Bills fans like him for what he’s said/done. I said he’s getting love, as in he’s getting praised for this, although little to nothing has been done. Sorry that you find that so stupid.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seemed like a low blow to me – like the only reason that you or Jason think I/we like him is because of how he addresses the media and questions.

that I would feel to be very stupid – but if it’s not what you meant then i’m sorry – that’s just how I took it

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I never said that

So, yes, that’s not what I was talking about.

Just to clear it up….I wasn’t talking about Nix being liked solely because of him telling it how it is, so to say. I was referring to him being praised for it in this specific instance.

As I’ve said before, I like some of the things he’s done, so please don’t pigeonhole me as some Buddy anti-buddy.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Sep 10, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix seems to be getting a ton of love for just talking and very little action

thats why i took it the way I did – you can see that right?

I was referring to him being praised for it in this specific instance.

I personally liked this because it was a vindication of sorts for me – this is exactly what i was trying to say after the draft and throughout. that there wasn’t an upgrade at OT or QB in the draft so they didn’t take those guys – so they took the next guy to upgrade the team.

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

that there wasn’t an upgrade at OT or QB in the draft

I should have said available at 9

Listen! You smell something?

by J2 on Sep 10, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geesh

Can’t understand how Nix is being judged and sentenced before the season even begins! The only thing that matters is W/L record, period. The way he goes about it is his biz. Questioning his every move/ non move is like reading tea leaves….you see what you want.

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Sep 10, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Let them at least play before we judge his actions’ long term impact.

by stetzwebs on Sep 10, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine, but if we lose he fails by that rationale.

"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards

"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Sep 10, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

But his failure as you put it, doesn’t mean he’s gone after a losing season. Pretty sure he’s gonna be given a rational amount of time to implement his personel objectives, including a draft class or two. Yeah Jason, you’ll probably have quite a bit of ammo from which to launch your objections.

Home of "Spiller the Thriller"

by buffalobacker on Sep 10, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As broken a team Jauron has left.....

who could’ve turn the team around in 1 draft and 1 FA?

Buddy’s plan/action to take BPA will take him at least a few drafts to “show us the baby”.

The way I understand his plan is that, if the team addresses needs immediately while bypassing BPA (possibly via trades in the draft), the team would suffer in other areas and would have taken an even longer time to rebuild. I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with the plan; I’m just saying this is how I understand Buddy’s plan. If that’s the plan, and that’s how he sees the situation, I don’t think he is trying to avoid responsibility nor trying to cop-out anything. You can disagree with his philosophy, but I don’t think you can say that’s being not agressive enough in doing his job.

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Sep 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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