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Couple of O-Line Thoughts

I've been on vacation over the Christmas break so I've just now gotten to the Dolphins and Pats games. I won't do my usual breakdown, given that the games are a week or more in the past; plus I somehow only managed to record the first half of the Pats game. There were a couple of things that stood out.

I'd be surprised if we see Geoff Hangartner at center again unless Eric Wood suffers an injury. He's averaged 77.6% on run plays the past three weeks compared to Hang's 75.4% season average. Wood has averaged 74.9% on pass plays the past three weeks compared to Hang's 74.7% season average. Chan Gailey has talked about getting more physical on the offensive line. Wood has been left one-on-one with NTs even more often than Hang was, which has freed the guards to take on other defenders. This has helped the line as a whole take it to defensive front sevens.


The jury is still out on Chad Reinhart. Initial signs have been positive. He's averaged 77.3% on run plays and 75% on pass plays. In the past two and a half games he's killed just 2 plays. He has a knack for finishing defenders on run plays. On passing downs, whether it's just his inclination or something he's been told to do, he looks around for a defender; if none comes his way he plows into Mansfield Wrotto's defender--often bailing Wrotto out and putting the defender on the ground. Buffalo would be foolish to let him get away given the potential he's flashed.

Looking long term, Wood and Levitre are entrenched starters. There's a good chance that Reinhart remains the starter at right guard. Buffalo will likely keep no more than two interior reserves. Urbik and Hang figure to be those two guys. Demetrius Bell will almost certianly remain on the roster and might start simply by default. Right tackle is still unsettled, to put it mildly. My guess is that Buffalo will keep 3 dedicated OTs with Levitre as a swing tackle emergency reserve. Ed Wang did nothing in 2010, which might prove to his advantage; he didn't have the opportunity to screw anything up. I am hopeful, despite a quote by Buddy Nix that Buffalo needs 'more weapons', that the Bills will expend at least one high draft pick on an OT. Being a cynic, I won't be at all surprised if the OT is picked in the 3rd round or so and projected to be the opening day starter at.....right tackle.

LT: Bell, Wang

LG: Levitre, Urbik

C: Wood, Hang

RG: Reinhart, Hang

RT: draft pick, Wang

I heard Chan Gailey talking about the decision to abandon the run against the Patriots after the first drive. He said something to the effect that the Patriots changed their defensive look to stop the run. Granted, I only had the first half of the game to look at....a first half in which Buffalo ran the ball a dozen times and never for less than 2 yards and averaged an astounding 7.0 yards per carry. Okay, there was a 27 yard anomoly to begin the game. Drop that from the mix and the Bills ran for 5.2 yards per carry. If that's what Buffalo's run game looks like when the defense is trying to stop the run then the Bills clearly needed to run more, not less. And, at that point of the game, score didn't dictate a pass happy offense. Gailey made the decision to abandon the run when down by just 4 points--not because of score, ineffectiveness or down/distance. He's got to stick with the run even though it goes against his nature.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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I know you said Bell will simply start by default – but with full off season and him being 100% going into training camp, OTA’s etc.. do you think he still can grow as a tackle and cement that position for the future?

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by J2 on Jan 1, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

He’s grading out at 75.4% on run plays with 6 killed plays. He is at 73.7% on pass plays with 15.5 killed plays and 7.5 sacks. He’s proven to be a marginal starter at best. Buffalo could certainly use an upgrade at the position. It’s possible that Bell could develop and get better…and seems even more likely that he’s going to have that opportunity, whether it’s in Buffalo’s best interest or not.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

not to take up too much of your time – but he did say that he finally got to 100% 3 games ago – has his grades been more impressive in that time period? A jump up in performance…?

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Jan 1, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Run grades on left, pass grades on right

CLE 78 74.25925926
MIA 75 73.75
NE 75 75

Bell had a good game against Cleveland but hasn’t been anything special the past two weeks.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the idea of Wood at center flanked by Rineheart/Urbik and Levitre. I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Rineheart as well and I think Urbik has some upside.

Offensive tackle remains the offenses biggest need and has been since the Peters/Walker era ended abruptly and without preparation. i’m still not sure how the Bills cut Walker with no viable alternative and traded Peters with Bell’s upside as an unheralded player as fallback. Its time to address this mess that the Jauron era left us with and give the team some real starter caliber tackles.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Jan 1, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I never understood dumping Walker. Flipping him to the left side wasn’t going to work; I didn’t see the logic in moving him…..or the logic in simply not moving him back. The Bills created a hole when Walker was released, and the hole hasn’t been filled yet. I’m not saying, by the way, that Walker was terrific at RT. He was fairly steady and consistent.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

Walker was what you’d like in your RT, steady and consistent.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Jan 1, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more. Fred Jackson once commented that things really went downhill last year when they released Walker. He said the other players on the roster thought it was a very foolish move, and that the damage it did to the team in terms of momentum and confidence in the coaching staff was considerable. Of all the many big mistakes that Dick Jauron made — and he made a ton of them — that may have been near the top of the list in terms of damaging the Bills.

by Macktruck on Jan 1, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d put that behind mistakes like:

Adopting the Tampa 2
Never identifying/developing/acquiring a good QB
Whitner over Ngata
McCargo
Lynch
McKelvin
Maybin

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, what? When did Fred Jackson say that?

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was a big mistake also

I thought it was bc he could not keep up with the up tempo (no huddle) offense which did not last.
Where is Walker now??

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Jan 1, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

In Oakland, last I knew—playing RT again.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

you know who I'd love to see in a Bills uniform?

Mike Pouncey is going to be special at the next level. I’d love to see him at RG. That guy is a huge reason for the rushing success in Florida, he is so athletic. He’s by far the best prospect for a pulling guard.

Another guy that I like, a guy that might slide into the 3-4th rounds is Stefen Wisniewski from Pen State. Now this guy is one hell of a guard, extremely smart and hard working – I could definitely see him at RG as well.

A guy that might translate to RT is Marcus Cannon from TCU. He’s listed as a guard but played LT. He definitely has the size to play RT at 360lbs

Gabe Carimi looked good yesterday but at #4 it’s way too high for him and he won’t last till rd 2 so unless we trade down he’s off the table probably. I was surprised to see Wisconsin use so much run blocking schemes considering the fact that they have so much beef on the line.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 2, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't Reinhart a tackle...

in college?? I know he’s a bit small for the position, but wondering aloud if he might see some time at RT???

Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!

by Cinga on Jan 1, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

I hope not. If he continues to settle in at RG I hope that CHIX will let him develop in that position instead of shuffling him all over the line.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

As of now...

without any new additions, it would be a matter of fielding our best players, so if he can play tackle, with Wood or Urbik at RG, that works for me…

Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!

by Cinga on Jan 1, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Ron

I know I asked spefically about Wood at Center. You provided an highly educated answer. I appreciate it. My struggle now is Gailey’s credibility regarding a running offense. I know we will pass, I am not talking about the old days where passing was an annomoly, but if we are to become a running team than something else is missing.

I don’t want us pounding Jackson for 16 or 18 games a season. Spiller may not be ready for the pounding yet. It still seems like something is not available yet. Maybe your right and our tackle position is still grossly under developed. The moves in the offseason will be very interesting to watch.

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by VanScottM on Jan 1, 2011 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

RBs are easy to find, particularly guys who pound the ball between the tackles.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

and we already have...

one of those in Caulcrick…

Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!

by Cinga on Jan 1, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

Your personal thoughts on Miami’s NT. Solia, not sure what his name is and didn’t look it up. It seemed that he met Wood head on and held his own. Also, I had thoughts of us persueing the kid as I believe he is a FA and Miami’s original starter went down early this year.

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by VanScottM on Jan 1, 2011 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Wood went one on one often in the Miami game, sometimes with their NT and other times with other defensive linemen. Wood held his own but didn’t dominate. He had 4 good run plays, down considerably from the 12 good run plays he had against the Browns.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 5:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You get a rec for this alone
Ed Wang did nothing in 2010, which might prove to his advantage; he didn’t have the opportunity to screw anything up.

That is going on the sig list :-)

Gailey made the decision to abandon the run when down by just 4 points—not because of score, ineffectiveness or down/distance.

I wish someone would ask Chan about this. Makes no sense.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

I think it was Chris Brown who did ask him. He said it was because the Pats changed their defense from nickel to run stuffing…..but they still couldn’t stop the run.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

right, but if the Pats still couldn't stop the run...why go away from it?

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my point. There was no reason to abandon the run (3 straight passes and a punt on the 2nd drive) but Gailey did anyway. Running well is about the only way the Bills are going to beat the Patriots. Gailey did stick with the run against the Browns so he can do it.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I know....
….if the Pats still couldn’t stop the run…why go away from it?

That is the question I was talking about asking Chan

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish someone would ask Chan about this. Makes no sense.

I wrote an entire article on that last week, and you even commented on it. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

yep...and after Ron's comment about the "adjusted" yards per carry still being 5.2

I makes even less sense than it did then.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Jan 2, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Great article as always, frees up my eyes during games. Was wondering, do u pay any attention to college Olineman or do u just stick to the pros?

Fresnobillsfan

by Frenobillsfan on Jan 1, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t watch nearly enough college games to know which linemen will be successful in the NFL. The greatest confounding variable is the uneven level of competition teams face in college.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Right Tackle up for grabs

It appears to be me the Right Tackle spot on the offensive line is a spot that needs to be addressed in the offseason. Switching Woods to Center battling Hantgartner in training camp to decide on the starting Center for the regular season. As far as the core of interior linemen the Bills have, Urbik, Rinehart, & Levitre are not bad, drafting another guard 6’4" 320 lbs. could help one more notch. Since Bell finished an entire season and held his own, give Bell the starting position of LT until he loses it ( Wang the backup). There will be plenty of massive Right Tackles in this years’ draft for the picking. Finding the right one to fit the Bills scheme or ability to play any position on the Offensive Line will be the biggest question for the front office and Chan Gailey to decide. Nix did not have the greatest draft for 2010, but he was looking at names and personnel that could give him instant impact on the field during the season. Although Nix has a great of experience in player personnel, he would have to sit down and do his homework for 2011 draft.

by Anthony7 on Jan 1, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

I’d be surprised if CHIX takes an interior lineman in the draft, unless it is a late round flyer that they hope to stash on the practice squad. The interior already looks like it will be:
 
Levitre, Wood, Reinhart with Hang then Urbik as reserves or
Levitre, Hang, Wood with Reinhart then Urbik as reserves

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the way the interior is looking

Kind of has that stacking talent on talent look. Now lets hope they can make some progress in that department at OT.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Jan 1, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

Kind of has that stacking talent on talent look.

This kind of worries me. Nix talked about stacking talent on talent after the CJ Spiller pick…and promptly traded away Lynch.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 2, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome back Ron

What’s your thoughts on Eric Pears? He played the entire 4th qtr, and rotated with Howard in the first half. I know you missed the second half. Did you get anything on him in the first half? Chan commented on his performance and left the impression that Pears would play a lot against the jets.

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by Montel on Jan 2, 2011 7:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I didn’t get anywhere near enough on Pears in the first half. He only played on a couple of drives in the first half. He had one bad pass play but all the rest were decent. Even if he starts and plays all day against the Jets we really won’t know much about him—-it will just be one game and the Jets are apparently not going all out to win today.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Jan 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If Hang played LG and Wang at LT next yr

we could say on the left we have Hang n Wang

by dgrid on Jan 2, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

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