Buffalo Bills Offensive Tackles: State Of The Bills Roster
This post is part of a series entitled State of the Bills Roster, in which we're breaking down and evaluating the Buffalo Bills on a position-by-position basis. If you're confused about the number and letter classification appearing after each player's name, read this post. You can check out all previous installments of this series here.
To put it lightly, the offensive tackle position was an enigma for the Bills entering the 2010 season. The team's left tackle was coming off of a season-ending knee injury that prevented him from practicing until training camp, and also prevented him from practicing on Wednesdays during the season. The team's starting right tackle in camp landed on IR and is no longer with the organization; Buffalo eventually played three more players at the position.
Still, given the circumstances, the play of Buffalo's tackles was about as good as could have been reasonably expected. Clearly, there is a long way to go at this position. Our breakdown of Buffalo's offensive tackles lies after the jump.
Right now, the Bills have four offensive tackles in their organization. They also had some guards play tackle this year; if you see this short list and think "why isn't so and so here?", it's because we're going to include those players in the guard breakdown. (We're looking at you, Cordaro Howard and Mansfield Wrotto.)
Demetrius Bell (2-B). Straight from Chan Gailey's mouth: "I thought Demetrius had an OK year. I didn’t think he had a great year. I know with the injury he couldn’t practice Wednesdays at all the whole year. Again, I’m not trying to make excuses for anybody, but I’m just stating facts - he didn’t practice on Wednesdays. I think a year of strength and core development, I think will help him tremendously. He missed all of that because of a shoulder. He got no upper body work. He got no lower body work and he gutted out the season. He and Eric (Wood) gutted out the season for us. You’ve got to like that about a guy that will do that, but I think his upside is tremendous."
Ed Wang (3-D). Here is another case of an injury stunting a player's development; Wang missed the bulk of training camp and the early portions of the regular season with a thumb injury that required surgery. He appeared in one game - at guard - and was inactive quite a bit. Wang remains a developmental project, but it's unlikely that the team views him as a player they can rely on playing entering the 2011 off-season.
Erik Pears (3-E). Signed off the street in December, Pears earned some mild praise from Gailey for his work in appearances at right tackle over the Bills' final two games - both blowout losses. The veteran has likely earned a look on the right side when training camp opens this summer, but with that position being such a problem this year, expect competition.
Jason Watkins (4-F). Spent the season on the practice squad. A nice athlete, Watkins was routinely passed over for street free agents this season. That should tell you all you need to know about his future with the club.
Contract situations to monitor: Bell is under contract for one more season - at around $500K in base salary - then will become a free agent in 2012. It's not clear how long Pears' contract he signed in December will last, but if he got a one-year deal, he'll need to be re-upped, as well. Unless, of course, the team doesn't want to re-up.
Outlook: It should be plainly obvious at this point that Bell is entrenched at left tackle. Gailey is right - Bell was adequate in 2010, and if he can get healthier and stronger this off-season, he might actually become the slightly-above-average player Dick Jauron hoped he'd be in 2009. Right tackle is a crapshoot; look for Pears to compete with an import for the right to start there. If Wrotto and Howard factor into that equation, this team is in serious trouble. Again.
Possible Acquisition: The team could take the veteran route on the right side to compete with Pears, or they could take a player in the draft. Either way, they need players here; they cannot rely on Wang as depth at this point, and they shouldn't have to rely on Wrotto and Howard on the edge, either.
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The Bills need to add an OT in the first 3 rounds
Well they don’t need to, but it’d be nice if they showed the willingness to go after somebody that wasn’t a street free agent or worst RT in the league. A plan for actually upgrading this area would be excellent and going young with a potential immediate starter at the top of round 2 would be a nice idea.
I wonder if they’ve learned, or will finally learn, that constantly throwing fringe NFL players in the lineup at RT is not a way to help the offense.
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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree with you kurupt. Buddy might be an old man but he sure doesn’t to seem to have learned that addressing the O-line is a must if you want to be successful in this league. This offensive line of the Bills is in need of serious repair and it starts with the RT. Green was a disaster right from the first minute of training camp, Cordaro Howard was consistently dominated by opposing DE’s and OLB’s, Wrotto, I thought, played okay for a while but he’s still not starting caliber RT. He might compete for a backup role on the O-line. Pears is in the same category if you ask me. Gabe Carimi would be an excellent choice at the 33th pick of the draft as he’s a massive, mauling run-blocker at 6-7, 327 pounds with adequate pass-blocking.
by BuffaloBeliever on Jan 10, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
your right, and they very well make that pick if available
but i think the odds are that he is gone in the 1st
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by billsoferie on Jan 10, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
If he's there in the mid 20's I say we try to trade up to get him.
At around 26-30 we might have to give up a more than we’d like, but that would shore up our right side with a powerful OT. Of course, if he somehow manages to fall to our pick in the 2nd….SCHWINGGGGG
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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 10, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Some good RT's should be there in rounds three and four
It’s the time of year when everyone falls in love with the OT’s that are slated to go at the top of the draft, but it’s a fact that very good OT’s and DT’s often can be found in the middle rounds (i.e., a certain DT nicknamed “Meatball”). In the case of the 2011 draft, I suspect the best prospects for the Bills may be available at that level. Clint Boling from Georgia is a guy who looks really good — he will never be quick enough to play LT, which is why he is downgraded, but he will be a solid pass protector at RT and perhaps the most capable run-blocker of any of the OT’s in this year’s draft. He is 6’ 4.5", 305 lbs., plays with a true mean streak, and is exceptional at moving in space to pull and trap. He has a really good motor and plays with a very low center of gravity. There’s also Orlando Franklin from Miami at 6’ 7" and 315 lbs. who is very similar. Targeting one of these guys would allow the Bills more flexibility in their tops picks, perhaps allowing them to add a really impressive TE like Kyle Rudolph of Notre Dame.
By the way, I think Brian’s assessment of our current OT’s is excellent, although I would add that Demetrius Bell’s potential ranges from “slightly above-average” to the Pro Bowl level. After all, Gailey has twice said that his “upside is tremendous.” I’m not predicting that Bell is going to get to the Pro Bowl, only suggesting that we don’t know how much better he is going to be in time and that it is possible that he could turn out to be either merely competent or a true star.
by Macktruck on Jan 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please God, Yesssssss!!!!!
Gabe Carimi would be an excellent choice at the 33th pick of the draft as he’s a massive, mauling run-blocker at 6-7, 327 pounds with adequate pass-blocking.
The other pick that would make sense is if the go D-line with the 3rd pick and see if a QB they like drops to them in the 2nd round.
For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.
Bills have
the 34th pick, so we would not get Carimi without trading up.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 10, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
then depending on how much it would cost to move up, we pass on him
The Bills should be able to get a starting RT at 34 without trading up.
For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.
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K -
I hear Buddy’s main emphasis this offseason is the offensive line…
Oh wait, that was last year!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not disagreeing with you
but I think that the pieces had to fall in place to draft for the OL. For example, I appreciate the fact that Buffalo did not reach for a player because the OL needed help. Everyone wanted Bulaga, but I think that would have been a mistake at #9. I dont necessarily like the Spiller pick, but finally this team seems to be drafting players where they “should” be drafted, not trying to be sneaky or fill a need with a reach of a player.
by Eric Murawski on Jan 10, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guarantee
That OL will be a premium in this draft, so based on the Nix drafting paradigm I don’t think we should expect any OL drafted in the first 4 rounds.
I disagree with you, I would be a lot happier with Bulaga right now then Spiller.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
As would I
I’d much rather have a future at RT or even LT than a scat back.
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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you would have rather picked Bulaga at 9??
i agree it would be nice to have him, but not in the draft position we were in. Spiller did not have the impact we had hoped this year, but he has a lot of potential in his second year, and im glad we have the oppertunity to have him on our team. It would be tough to have spent such i high pick on the RT position. I say RT because Gailey really likes Bell and would have given him at least this year and next year to prove he is the answer at LT.
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This is what I was trying to say
It’s not that NOW I wouldn’t want Bulaga. I am just sick of seeing the Bills take head scratchers when it appears that the player was targeted way higher than their accolades and upside should warrant. So although I am not high on the Spiller pick, I actually liked it at the time more than I would have Bulaga I think.
by Eric Murawski on Jan 10, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather have not taken Spiller at all
If they took Bulaga, so be it. Myself, I would have preferred Anthony Davis then, despite a rough rookie year. What can ya do?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
i agree with this,
Bulaga was not the right choice at 9. Especially because he would have been at RT
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drafting players where they should be drafted?
Methinks you forgot about high 2nd rounder torrell troup. None of the draft mags had him higher than the 4th round, and I thought he looked like a forth rounder. Maybe next year you’ll see more than just hustle tackles 10 yds. downfield.
Try to compare
Troup with his peers and where they were taken. He was not bad for a rookie DLineman. The best rookie DTs were Suh and Houston and the later played DE for the Raiders. Williams or Cody were no better than Troup this year.
The amount of work Troup will put up going forward will tell us the kind of player he is. One of the main reasons he was drafted, other than being dominant at UFC is that he was a hard worker. Nix put a premium on those guys in the past draft and common sense tells me that those are the guys that eventually pan out in this league. Time will tell with him and Carrington. I have a good feeling about those two.
Methinks you forgot about high 2nd rounder torrell troup. None of the draft mags had him higher than the 4th round
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/4/27/1445441/scouting-the-scouting-reports
Maybe your mags did. Most of the stuff I read said he’d be gone by or around the time the Bills third round pick came around. Especially when you consider the run on NTs and DTs in the second round the only way the Bills were going to get any of their top rated NTs was to take him in the second round.
But feel free to remain irritated. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not so sure
What if Nix targeted an above average free agent that could fill the spot? I’m specifically thinking about Doug Free. He’s a big road grader type that has good feet and held up well at LT this year for Dallas. Buffalo wouldn’t have to pay through the teeth as well. It also gives the team some versatility if Bell is injured long term (shifting Free to LT).
Bell – Levitre – Wood – open – Free
RG would be between Urbik, Rinehart, Hangartner, Wrotto, and Howard. Pears and Wang are reserves.
I could live with that and a 4th round lineman. Maybe Ziemba or Love fall. Ziemba is a lesser Bulaga that won’t test well, and Love got crushed in the Sugar Bowl and stock is falling.
Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.
Howard had better not be in the mix at RG…Wrotto either for that matter. They’re not Fowler-esque but they’re much closer to that territory than the starting RG should be.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Jan 10, 2011 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of that RG mix, I think Urbik would be the winner
With Hangartner as the top reserve and back-up center, and Rinehart as a reserve guard.
Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.
If they did that, great
I have doubts that it’d happen. I just want a solid plan put in place and followed. Signing a solid player like Free, who would be a nice upgrade, and adding a mid round rookie is a plan. Signing the worst RT in the league and a bunch of street free agents is not a plan.
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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only the dark side deals in absolutes.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ooooooooooooooo
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 11, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ahem.
The quote, my good sir, is “Only a Sith deals in absolutes.” Which is, of course, an absolute. Do not strip George Lucas of the full breadth of his crap lines. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
My bad. And I always thought the absolute nature of the quote made it ironically poignant.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 12, 2011 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
but he’s addressing a Sith so dealing in absolutes is o.k. grammatically right?
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by J2 on Jan 12, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Nope. By saying “Only a Sith deals in absolutes,” he is saying “If you deal in absolutes, then you are a Sith.” And, since he is dealing in absolutes, that would make Obi-Wan Kenobi a Sith. You fail, George Lucas.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 12, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
since I consider Obi-Wan to be the greatest then yes – George Lucas fail
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by J2 on Jan 12, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
help will come by FA
i don’t see us to draft an OL before the 6th round.i think Nix will look in other direction and bring help with a veteran.i think they will focus A LOT on defense
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Draft 2011:CB,LB,LB,DT and trade 4th and 5th for and old DT
Man, I hope that’s not the case.
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maybe i'm wrong
i don’t care if we trade a RT in the 2nd, i hope we are going to find 2 or 3 very good starters.if we find 3 beasts for the offense( Green in the 1st and a TE inthe 3rd) i’m fine but our defense scares me so much
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Where does Colin Brown fit in all of this?
by Qonquistadores on Jan 10, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions
Brown got reps at guard with the Bills, so we’re including him there.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
2nd Round Pick # 35
Is the time to pick up our future LT/RT ….. Anthony Castonzo (Boston College), Nate Solder (Colorado), Gabe Carimi (Wisconsin), or Derrick Sherrod (Mississippi State). Will start Day 1 with the Bills at Right Tackle, and ….. might be destined to be our Left tackle, at some point in their careers.
We actually pick 34, second overall, in the second round, unless I’m mistaken.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is correct. Don’t the picks escalate up?
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
They rotate on teams with even records, so we’re 3rd in the first, 2nd in the second and 4th in the third, so on and so forth in the draft.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 10, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like moving up one spot at the beginning of round two is huge. I dont know why, but it just does. Pick #34 sounds a lot better than pick #35.
I think its because this one goes up to eleven.
by oompaloompa on Jan 10, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I really think this is the way forward, it would be great to have either of these 4 on our roster, fingers crossed 1) That one of them is there to be drafted and 2) That we draft them.
Yep
Ahead of the Bengals …. All the better to get one of these Tackles . If Mallett or Locker slide to the 34 pick, and one of these tackles is there, it might be the most important pick of the draft. I’m all in for a tackle in the 2nd round, and if we take Mallett or Locker in the first (by trading down) just ahead of the Dolphins, the Offense just got ALOT better. After that, go Defense Defense Defense
I would be intrigued with Locker at 34
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I want Gabbert, but Locker would be interesting at 34. This team hasn’t had a legitimate QB in so long I honestly wouldn’t be too upset if we managed to get Gabbert in the 1st and Locker in the second. Best case? Locker becomes good enough to get a 1st for. Worst case, we hopefully find a serviceable player in one of the two.
by Eric Murawski on Jan 10, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think either way
there is a good chance a good QB option is available at 34
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There were many QB options where we picked last year. It’s all going to come down to the guy that Nix likes. That being said, I hope he finds someone he likes this year.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
true,
but i like the overall quality of the QB’s this year than last year
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What is this all the intrigue about a prospect? You like the guy or you don’t, even if it is in the 2nd round or the 3rd, IMO.
For example, I didn’t like Clausen last year, even less at #9. He fell to our second round pick but I still didn’t like the guy as a prospect QB.
Same with Locker, I don’t think he has the mental acuity to be a QB in the next level, he had a poor supporting cast in Washington, we all know that, but even with those shortcomings surrounding him, he wasn’t able to show the little things that make a QB. His pocket awareness was nowhere to be seen, he was wildly inacurate, even with those WR screens Sarkisian loves to call.
Diminishing odds.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
He plays LT at Wisconsin, but he’s too marginal an athlete to do it in the NFL. He’s strictly a RT.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
No team in the NFL places less emphasis on their offensive tackles than the Bills having not drafted a tackle higher than the 5th round since 2002. The logic of this void can be found in Buffalo’s having the most bottom 8 finishes in offense over the course of that time span.
I agree with Gailey’s assessment of Bell’s play…and I don’t think it warrants his being “entrenched” at LT. I would seriously look to challenge Bell either with a high draft choice or a veteran. RT was a nightmare in 2010 and I fully expect a pricey free agent or a draft choice in the first three rounds or I’ll call shenanigans on Nix for his inability to address the team’s self-described “biggest need”.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
The logic of this void can be found in Buffalo’s having the most bottom 8 finishes in offense over the course of that time span.
You can spin that stat a lot of ways, my friend. I attribute most of that to the play of the team’s quarterbacks.
Also, I wouldn’t expect a “pricey free agent” anywhere, unless you actually mean pricey, and not necessarily quality. Kind of like Cornell Green looked like a pricey free agent.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
No team in the NFL places less emphasis on their offensive tackles than the Bills having not drafted a tackle higher than the 5th round since 2002.
There was absolutely no need to draft OT when we had Peters and Walker as our bookends either.
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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
But then we cast both away, so I guess you could say that just for that reason we place little emphasis on OT.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Please get an OT in the first 3 rounds
When is this team going to stop praying the 7th rounders and UDFA will turn into more Jason Peters, and start drafting players on the lines. It is very frustrating for this team to year after year ignore the OL/DL in the draft. I realize we took Eric and Andy in the top 3 rounds, but I want MORE, MORE, MORE. Aside from QB I really think an excellent OL can make your team better than they should be. Instead of getting RB in the first, we should be taking OT,OG, and C in the draft and those 5-7th round running backs will compete for the rushing titles (ask Houston).
We’ve actually taken a lot of DL in the first 3 rounds in recent years. They’ve just not been very good.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jan 10, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
4 DLs picked in the first three rounds in the last three drafts.
by usuo mojinga on Jan 10, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I stand corrected
I guess then, that I was a DL that was not a reach and who has actually shown me the ability to be good. This previous draft we did pick up 2 potentially good DL, so I see a start.
by Eric Murawski on Jan 10, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Draft
I know we all want the Bills to draft an OL early this year, but I actually that it isn’t going to happen, why you ask:
1) This is one of the weakest OL draft classes I can remember
2) Nix/Gailey have not shown they place high regard on OL.
3) Nix will not reach and I think there will be a lot of “reaching” especially at tackle this year (per #1)
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions
It’s not really a weak OL class. There just aren’t any guys worth taking in the top 20 or so picks. There are quite a few quality prospects, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I might not be paying enought attention… What prospects are there as LT prospects?
Basically we can all agree there is very little elite talent at OL (maybe Pouncy).
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sherrod, Castonzo and Tyron Smith at LT. All could go late first, early second.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think they are worthy as such? As in that is where their value lies.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 10, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think Castonzo is worthy of that spot. Sherrod and Smith are more second-rounders to me.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
I am not a fan of Solder in the slightest.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
Last year's draft
Ed Wang- " but it’s unlikely that the team views him as a player they can rely on playing entering the 2011 off-season."
Really? Already? Last year’s draft were supposed to be ready to go last Sept.. By viewing the other “contributors” from last year’s draft what can we expect from this one?
THe Bills weakest position? RT!
Personally I’m hoping that we draft an RT in this draft. The kid out of USC might be a good second round pick to plug at the RT position.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 10, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions
I like Cannon out of TCU. Beastly player, and would make for a great line…Bell, Levitre, Wood, Urbik/Hang, Cannon. Nice! :-)
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by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 10, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
He actually did slip my mind, you’re right of course. The battle for RG should be fairly heated in TC, I’m looking forward to it since all of them are solid options IMO.
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by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 10, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
And isn't he roughly 290 lbs??
That’s not RT size at all….
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by Kurupt on Jan 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, he’s more of a LT prospect. He’s just never played it in college.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Tyron Smith weighs 280 and is highly regarded for his athleticism and potential, not his strength or run blocking. that dude is a future LT, not a RT, and most importantly, he’s a project.
I persoanally view him as the Aaron Maybin of Offensive Tackles.
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by Trashplate on Jan 10, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DO NOT DRAFT A RIGHT TACKLE (ROT)
The Wang Experience: We need a proven and hardened FA ROT. Drafting at #34 or lower for such is an experiment or at best a two year project. With the worse run defense in league, we need to plan to aggressively pursue a FA RT that will be there for at least 4 years w/o a worry and spend the 8 draft picks on defense to get it top notch ASAP. The offense does not need that much so draft for defense.
Also plan a strategyy to go after a FA NT, ILB and OLB. There will be an unusually high number of FAs this year due to last year’s contract situation. So with higher numbers there will be better value.
With a likely pick of Fairley or Dareus at #3, a FA NT and FA ILB, we ought to have the beginnings of an improved front 7 defense while the other picks learn on job.
But in my mind it starts with a plan NOW to say we will aggressively spend to have both
a FA NT and ILB and not have to worry about using draft picks. The issue in my mind is that the draft comes before the FA signing period so the FA plan must be aggressive… even if we have to overspend a couple million. Heck cutting Maybins $5MM salary would handle that.
by Motor City Mike on Jan 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions
Why the "Wang Experience"?
There’s a difference between drafting a RT project in round 5 and drafting one with clear talent and upside in the first few rounds. if there’s someone on the board who they feel will definitely develop into a good RT, then absolutely they should draft him.
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What does Ed Wang have to do with anything?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 10, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Get the Wang of It!
The point is simple. With Ed Wang you drafted fairly high (5th round) an OT that has turned out to be someone you likely will not put on the field even in year two. The Bills need to draft defense and take a FA vs building this position through the draft. OL take a long time to develop especially if they are not clearly overpowering and athletic. The track record on a pro is a lot easiar to evaluate vs taking a rookie. The bust rate on rooks is about 40%.
Why care and feed a guy for three years and then cut him. If you sign a good FA, there is a high probability it will work as he already has done it.
by Motor City Mike on Jan 11, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
OL take a long time to develop
Then one could argue that you draft them now, let them develop, and by the time you get your defense built and are ready to contend, your line is ready to blossom, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Washington has been aggressive in free agency and look at how well that has worked out. To my way of thinking success in free agency requires accurate talents evaluation. We really have only one guy to base CHIX’s evaluation skills on when it comes to the offensive line:
Cornell Green.
Gailey claimed Green was hurt all year and was doing well just to suit up. I don’t know that I buy it; it could be a smoke screen to disguise a bad personnel move. We have to hope that CHIX does better this time around with identifying quality playears in free agency.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 10, 2011 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even by Cutting Maybin
The Bills STILL have 7 Linebackers on the roster. A backup SS to replace Whitner will probably be of more importance, come April
No. No. No no no. Our DBs are adequate, our LBs are not.
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You won’t think our DBs are adequate when Terrence McGee is hurt again next year, Drayton Florence is elsewhere, Leodis McKelvin is starting opposite Reggie Corner, and George Wilson’s limited speed is killing us trying to cover tight ends.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 11, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s true, but that seems to be a worst case scenario. And, if each team is running for 250 yards on us, I don’t think I’ll even notice.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Is this more plausible?
McKelvin is inconsistent opposite McGee with Reggie Corner as the nickel back against Tom Brady and Wes Welker. Now Gradkowski or Hernanzed are being covered by George Wilson. Still not ideal.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 11, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think any scenario in which we are unable to cover the Patriots adequately is plausible, since that’s going to continue to happen for the near future.
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I’d rather inadequately cover them without using Reggie Corner. If we’re using him as a nickel CB I think we’re in trouble.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 12, 2011 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
that’s it right there. our entire defense is really in a bad position. i’m glad they took Troup and Carrington so hopefully in 2/3 years they’ll be solid pieces and the back end with Batten Moats and soon to be new comers really develop into something
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by J2 on Jan 11, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Regardless of where Wrotto is best suited to play he played most of his Sampson in Buffalo at tackle instead of guard. The more I read about RT prospects who figure to be on the board in the late twenties to early forties the more I hope Buffalo takes one in that range….trade back from 3, sit tight or trade up from 34 so long as Buffalo comes away with a starting caliber RT. We do know that Gailey prefers strength and size over speed and agility so a Guy around 320 with some room to grow is who I would expect Gailey to target.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 10, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Apparently the word predict on my phone confuses snaps and Sampson. Too weird.
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by Ron From NM on Jan 10, 2011 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spiller over Bulaga....
Yes, Spiller looked exactly like his detractors said he would his rookie year. Yes, I am of the,“let’s draft nothing but nasty OL’s, DL’s and LB’s camp.” And yes, Chan Gailey showed no inkiling of how to use both Fred and CJ at once.
However, I was so impressed with the chefs’ RB Jammal Charles Sunday I looked up his size, Charles- 5’ 11" 199 lbs.
- Spiller- 5’11" 196 lbs.
Spiller was a killer in college, he has all the tools and intangibles and I think he can run inside about five plays/game. I think he’ll make the leap when he gets more runs, experience, etc..
Anyone remember how Charles played his rookie year?
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