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History says winning's most important

I have been looking at all the QBs who have won superbowl ever and have been identifying any parallels or trends. Most of them have a lot of things going on for them. Big arm, especially the older era QBs, very good accuracy, and so on.

But one very striking point I noted is they all seem to have one atleast one bowl game in college and almost all of them have been the MVP/ offensive MVP of the bowl game..

This might seem obvious to many of you but the striking thing is, it is not 80-90% of all the QBs. It is difficult to find accurate data for the older era QBs, but every QB I have seen has won a bowl game at the least. They all might have lost a few too but they atleast win one. They dont need to win every bowl game they play.

Also, a particular bowl game doesnt seem to matter. They dont need to win the BCS title or something. Roethlisberger won the GMAC bowl and was the MVP.

Kurt Warner didnt play any bowl game as he was in Division I-AA but he was the conference offensive player of the year. Even Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, game-manager QBs, won a bowl game.

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round because he was too small to be NFL QB and did not have big arm. But he too won multiple bowl games. Sort of like Kellen Moore if you ask me.

Ofcourse, if you win bowl games doesnt mean you would win superbowl. But atleast it helps us in casting a tighter net.

If we use this theory, we can cast off some of the QBs in this year's draft. This theory has an obvious limitation. The shear number of bowl games played, it's very likely the QBs have won one.

Here's a list of QBs I have been hearing constantly for the Bills this season.

Luck, Locker, Mallet, Newton, Gabbert, Kaepernick, Dalton, Devlin, Ponder, Stanzi, Yates, McElroy, Potts, Tolzien, Jerrod Johnson

Among these, only Gabbert and Jerrod Johnson have not won any bowl games in their college career.

This obviously didnt help us in singling out that one QB who can lead us to superbowl but if you believe in this theory, Gabbert is not the guy - Gabbert should probably stay in school -  He should not be drafted let alone at #3.

Its a pretty strong indicator considering every superbowl winner has won something at school as well.

PS (Update): It's a bit tiring to keep replying to comments which basically say the same. So here's an answer. From high school set theory, there is a difference between necessary condition and sufficient condition. My post is talking about only the necessary condition. It is NOT the sufficient condition. No where in my post did I suggest that winning bowl games is ENOUGH to win a superbowl but it definitely appears to be necessary. I hope I saved some effort for you guys in posting a comment.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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Do you know who else won a Bowl Game?

Jamarcus Russell.

I would rather not base draft strategy on one game.

by OMGSTUFF on Jan 13, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

i am not asking to base our strategy on one game… it just seems it is necessary to have won something in college

by statcruncher on Jan 13, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert should have stayed in school. He should not be drafted let alone at #3.

That sounds pretty concrete. You’re excluding him from consideration because he didn’t win a bowl game. I’m not a proponent of Gabbert, but this logic doesn’t follow.

Discounting players because they didn’t win the championship of whatever league they play in is shortsighted. Players should be judged on their performance as a whole; not on a game. It’s football, not golf. You play your position, and and can’t help the other side of the ball. “BRADY TAKES ON MANNING” game comparisons are just media snippets for people who don’t know what they’re watching. It’s one team versus another. Don’t discount 21 players for one.

And the “You’re not a winner if you never won the Superbowl” line of thinking is infantile.

/rant.

by OMGSTUFF on Jan 13, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round because he was too small to be NFL QB and did not have big arm. But he too won multiple bowl games. Sort of like Kellen Moore if you ask me.

So is Kellen Moore a good NFL QB?

Here are some of the QBs that match your criteria:
Matt Leinart, Tim Couch, Danny Wuerffel, Jason White. How’d they end up doing in the NFL?

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2011 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

neither I nor you know if kellen moore can be a good qb

and I already said answered your second point. bowl game is a necesary condition not sufficient condition, there is a difference.

by statcruncher on Jan 13, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Hasselbeck was a loser in college. Josh Freeman couldn’t elevate Kansas St.’s program.

Kurt Warner didnt play any bowl game as he was in Division I-AA but he was the conference offensive player of the year.

Kurt Warner is the argument against saying that college QBs need to be winners.

Kurt Warner took a Norther Iowa team that had gone a combined 23-4 over the two previous seasons with three time offensive conference player of the year, Jay Johnson, to a big 8-4 record and first round playoff loss in his one year as a starter. And that’s a Northern Iowa program that has failed to win at least seven games once since 1988.

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

talk to me when hasselbeck wins superbowl

by statcruncher on Jan 13, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So Jim Kelly wasn’t a successful QB? Dan Marino?

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not subscribing to this line of thinking but to Stat’s point, neither of those QB’s won a Superbowl. Just sayin….

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by arbon78 on Jan 13, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. And I’m just saying that those guys are Hall of Famers.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly. This is interesting to me and sparks an idea for a hypothetical question. Which would you rather have given the choice: a hall of fame QB who never wins a superbowl or a QB who wins a superbowl, but is never recognized as great?

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by arbon78 on Jan 14, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

John Elway never even played in a bowl game, much less won one. He was 20-23 as a college starter.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jan 15, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask Tampa Bay fans how they feel about the Super Bowl. Or the Ravens. I’m pretty OK with having the Lombardi trophy.

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by MattRichWarren on Jan 16, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If we’re sticking to SB winners only, then there’s Warner and Mark Rypien never won a Bowl either.

The problem is, like you mention, that most good college QBs do win a Bowl game. What percentage of QBs that get drafted, especially early round picks don’t win a bowl game? That’s the question. On your list for this year, Jerrod Johnson probably won’t be picked, so it’s just Gabbert. If most years, it’s only 10-20%, like this year, then I don’t think this stat has much meaning.

My logic being that with Warner and Rypien, 2 of the last 14 QBs to have won a SB never won a Bowl game. That’s almost 15%. So, if 15% of QBs who get drafted never won a bowl and 15% of QBs who won the SB never won a bowl game, then there’s really not much of a correlation.

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning isn't everything

Pat White won bowl games. In fact, he won 4 in a row for WVU. And was MVP for 3 of them (including one BCS bowl) and was also MVP of the Senior Bowl. Dude was a flat out winner. And now he is playing baseball for the KC Royals minor league system.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 14, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

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