Report: Dave Wannstedt Agrees To Join Bills Coaching Staff
by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 9:30 AM EST
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PrintAlex Marvez of FOXSports.com is reporting that former University of Pittsburgh head coach Dave Wannstedt has agreed to an assistant coaching role with Chan Gailey and the Buffalo Bills.
Per Marvez, Wannstedt will have the titles of Assistant Head Coach and Linebackers Coach.
Wannstedt was in Cleveland to interview for the Browns' vacant defensive coordinator position on Thursday, but is now apparently out of the running there. (This could be an indication that former Bills head coach Dick Jauron will soon be named to that very post, as an aside.)
Gailey and Wannstedt coached together for two years in Miami, where Gailey served as Wannstedt's offensive coordinator. Wannstedt will at least replace DeMontie Cross as inside linebackers coach; Cross was released from that role after the regular season concluded. It's unclear if Wannstedt's title has any effect on current outside linebackers coach Bob Sanders, who was a holdover from Jauron's staff the previous year.
More to come on this front, but revel in the fact that the Bills have added a smart, experienced coach to the defensive side of the football.
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I absolutley love this hire. What nice addition by the Bills.
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Hooray
This is a good thing man.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 21, 2011 9:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Interested
Why the Wannstedt love specifically? I don’t hate this guy, but I fail to see why he is a great football mind or breeds success.
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"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Just because at this post he can concentrate on improving out abysmal defense, something he definitely has experience doing. He’s also a more reputable name, which could lead others here.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 21, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Taking probably our worst coach at one of our worst performing positions and replacing him with anyone with Wannstedt’s experience is a huge upgrade.
by Slick Shifty on Jan 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Cool
I am not big on Wannstedt (for reasons I have discussed before – lack of success), but he is a big name and something to bring a little excitement to an otherwise dull offseason.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions
I think he can really make an impact because he won’t have the responsibilities of the HC or the DC – so he can really focus on little things that can make our team better and thats a good thing. I think…
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
He definately has experience, and he is a “bigger” name, so maybe we can use him to recruit some offseason talent at LB.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
definitely – maybe him and Merriman can convince Burnett or Cooper to stop on by for a few seasons.
they’ll look good with Dareus in front of them!
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wannstedt not here for the little things
Rather than focusing on the little things, I suspect Wannstadt is being brought in to mastermind the defense. It seemed clear on a number of occasions last season that the Bills didn’t have the answers in terms of stopping the run or keeping other teams from scoring. Wannstadt is known as a capable defensive strategist and should in effect quietly take over the defensive planning while George Edwards, who had never been a DC before, will be in charge of executing it. Having the two work closely together should be a great benefit to the team. My guess is that Wannstadt will only be with us for two or three years. After he leaves, Edwards, having learned a great deal from him, will be a far more effective DC.
by Macktruck on Jan 21, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Two things:
1) This is not true.
quietly take over the defensive planning while George Edwards, who had never been a DC before, will be in charge of executing itFrom Wikipedia:
In 2002, Edwards moved on to the Washington Redskins under the title of Assistant Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers coach. That season linebacker LaVar Arrington had his most productive career year, recording 107 tackles and 11 quarterback sacks to earn a Pro Bowl selection. Each of the team’s three starting linebackers – Arrington, Jessie Armstead and Jeremiah Trotter – surpassed 100 tackles that season.
The following season, Edwards was promoted to the role of defensive coordinator. The team had two Pro Bowlers on defense that season – Arrington and cornerback Champ Bailey.
2) I’m not sure I agree with this statement:
the Bills didn’t have the answers in terms of stopping the runIMO, George Edwards gave our defense answers. The players on the team couldn’t execute the plan. I’m not saying Edwards is blameless (he could certainly have been more creative with scheme), but his players clearly didn’t perform.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 21, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Lack of Success?
He won a Super Bowl w/ the Cowboys as a DC (May have won a 2nd won w/ them in Super Bowl 28, have to double check) . Made the playoffs w/ both Chicago and Miami.
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by Michael_Necci on Jan 21, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Coat tails
Here is what I said previously:
Wannstedt is s bigger name, but other than that recognition I have never been overly impressed with any of his (lack of) accomplishments. Success hasn’t really followed this guy. He seems to have riden the coat tails of success from Jimmy Johnson…
Never did much as HC in Chicago
Just above average in Miami (and only that because of Jimmy’s coat tails there)
Was a great recruiter at Pitt (probably due partly to his name recognition), but was only able to put up wins together in one season (2009). Again, it should be noted that he had talented teams, but couldn’t get production
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
So every asst coach who wins a ring or has success in this league is riding coat tails of someone else?
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by Michael_Necci on Jan 21, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Dick Jauron being a horrible head coach makes him a bad secondary coach? I don’t understand your logic. Hiring a guy like Wannstedt in a capacity where he can work in the trenches directly with the players is a win win situation. He got to be a head coach by showing competence at all the lower tiers of coaching, so why would his being an average head coach have anything to do with how he’ll do here?
If anything, the fact that he was at least an average HC, unlike Jauron, should be a plus.
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by syrbillsfan on Jan 21, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Positional coach and head coaches are very different games. The positional coaches have to be teachers and motivators, while head coaches have to be organizers and schemers and make sure the day to day operations run smoothly. Ask Charlie Weis. He was a great coach and coordinator, and not a very good head coach. Two totally different games to me.
by Eric Murawski on Jan 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Dick Lebeau could be used in that argument as well
Dick was 12-33 as Cincinnati’s head coach but his success as a defensive coordinator speaks for itself.
by Morningw00d on Jan 21, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You say:
Was a great recruiter at Pitt (probably due partly to his name recognition), but was only able to put up wins together in one season (2009). Again, it should be noted that he had talented teams, but couldn’t get production
Wannstedt went 42-31 in six seasons, including a 26-12 mark from 200-8-10 that is Pitt’s best for a three-season stretch since 1981-83.
why so serious?
by Undee on Jan 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
42-31
At college isn’t anything to be proud of. He also had some of the best recruiting classes in the country (so he had talent), but was unable to translate that into wins.
I don’t hate Wandstedt, I just am not overly excited. This is a good move, but not one that will put us over the edge.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
He also went 42-31 and had two playoff appearances with Jay Fiedler in Miami. Food for thought.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is such a crazy statement, IMO
He also had some of the best recruiting classes in the country
Really? According to who? His Pitt teams were not talented compared to their opponents.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
so under that theory almost every coach out there sucks
wannestandt has put together some good defense over the decades. Likely not head coach material. I think that he brings some 4-3 knowledge that edwards does not have. Adding some veteran prensence on the defensive coaching staff will go a long way, too.
Pretty cool
I didnt expect it… but now that its true. Im happy with this.
With the Assistant HC title… would it be a good guess that if things go well, he’d replace Gailey in a few years?
Obviously many factors weight in to this… but…
Lets Go Buff a lo!!!
as long as Nix gets Gailey the talent – I think he’s going to be just fine my friend, just fine
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
would it be a good guess that if things go well, he’d replace Gailey in a few years?
If things go well why would Gailey get replaced?
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Yeah I dont mean were going to show Chan the door and move him right up...
But Im talking down the road, as long as our LBs dont completely suck and were playing good ball, when Chan decides its time to m ove on type of thing… But the NFL is so crazy Wannstedt could be a coach in college again next year.
Way too early for me to ask that I guess lol
Lets Go Buff a lo!!!
Wannstedt and Chan are only 4 months apart in age. Chan probably just looks older because of all that southern food :)
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by syrbillsfan on Jan 21, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wannstedt lived in Dallas
which is maximum exposure to gut-busting food. He was in Chicago for a few years which has never done anything good for anyone’s arteries. Miami was a respite (probably had a couple of fresh veggies), but I’ve never heard about the midwestern Pittsburgh style food as healthy. Pitt has yummy but heart-stopping stuff.
But I think Chicago and Pittsburgh unhealthiness comes from cheese and the food itself. In the south, it more about quantity and the method of preparation, which is frying. So for instance, a bowl of okra in the midwest would probably be suateed or boiled but slatthered wth cheese, kelbasa, and stuff. In the south, it would be fried okra, served with yummy ice tea, cornbread, greens, but not before you get a good helping of cheesecake.
or down the road if Chan's age starts to catch up to him, and wants a reduced roll
he could promote Wannstedt to HC and step down to OC.
I have not followed Wannstedt closely so I have little to add other than I think it is encouraging that one year ago this team could not get any big names in to even interview for any position, and now we have Wannstedt here for a LB coach. This tells me that some are starting to get the preception that this team is going places, and would like to be involved. We have heard sentiments simuilar to this from players of teams we have played that they have a new respect for this team that it is no longer a joke. All of this can only help later if and when there is a FA period.
Go BILLS!!!
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Maybe Chan should eat a few "reduced rolls"
or down the road if Chan’s age starts to catch up to him, and wants a reduced roll
2010 - "Chan"ge is finally here......
YA!!!!
Alright! I hope this means three things that would make me happy:
1.) They are interested in keeping Poz, you dont attract an ILB coach unless you got something to offer him, I bet resigning Poz is one
2.) Poz is going to get better.
3.) We are interested in investing in the position so we’ll draft or sign a serious upgrade next to Poz
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
I hope you are right… I REALLY hope you are right.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
hahah me too!
Im not saying these things are going to happen, as I said, I HOPE they will!
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
About Poz
I’ve come full circle on Poz. When he was hurt, I defended him constantly saying he would be fine once healthy…boy, I feel wrong about that now. He was healthy this year and I was really disappointed in his play. He struggled in coverage mightily, he could shed blocks on a consistent basis, and he lacked any explosion. I would be fine if he were still on the team, my issue is that I think he needs to be upgraded and by resigning him, we would be attaching ourselves to Poz for 3-5 yrs. He is not that good to keep around that long. I like Burnett (or Cooper) a lot and I think Torbor and Burnett would be better than Poz & Burnett. While I recognize that Poz is a better all-around backer that Torbor (Torbor will most likely go back to his natural position of ILB next year), I dont think its by much and the money saved could go into a FA ILB with better value and more upside. Just my opinion though.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
could shed blocks on a consistent basis —> couldn’t shed blocks
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
you've got to be kidding me....
Poz now, as good as gone… Penn St and Pitt, hate each other almost as much as Georgia and Georgia Tech…
:-)
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How can anyone not like this hire
Wannstedt has numerous years of coaching expierence not to mention he will be coaching the positon on our team that really the most important in our transition to 3-4.
I love the hire, bring in someone with some serious knowledge of the game to help out our struggling D.C. Gailey and Nix stated it was about teaching and who better to teach then a guy who has been in the game a long time and someone who is used to teaching kids being a college coach.
Also, lets not forget this guy coached in the college ranks last year and could be a really really nic eaddition at draft time seeing as he has coached against these players that are going to be in the draft he has seen first hand how these kids play the game he has heard them talk seen them move from the field of play thats going to be huge come draft day.
What a great start to the offseason for the Bills, I love it, I absolutly Love it
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by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 21, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Game Planning!
Always when coaches can add to their staff with other coaches they feel comfortable with and know well, it is a plus because of the cohesion of carrying the same message and moving forward in the same system. I am not saying D. Cross was not doing a good job, but Gailey/Edwards thought enough about it to know they could upgrade there…
What I like most about this hire, is that it gives Gailey and Edwards another experienced coach from the NFL and AFC East to help with game planning and strategy. I don’t think that Wanny will have all the answers, but having more collective smart guys in the same room planning can help… plus the fact that he will probably help a lot with draft preparation and strategy there too.
Good move!
by dabillsr1 on Jan 21, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I know they hired him for the defensive side of things
But he was a running coach aswell, maybe he can shed some light to Chan about running the rock
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by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 21, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I bet the Asst HC Title
has more to do with responsibilities and his potential to help the entire team more so than just about money.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
another thing I think that may get overlooked or be totally unimportant – let the reader decide – is that this shows how confident Gailey is about what he is going.
If he wasn’t completely secure with his plan then he might not bring aboard a guy like Wannstedt because he’d be fearful that players might, well not to over dramatize the situation, create a mutiny if you will and try and listen to Dave more instead of chan.
I guess what i’m getting at is when I kept hearing from guys during the DJ regime saying they were told one thing by one coach then one by another and the players weren’t on the same page and it seemed that guys were preferring one coach over the other.
this shows the confidence that chan has – or maybe it doesn’t – i know I just rambled but i’m sure you get what I mean. :)
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by J2 on Jan 21, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
good point...
and rec’d for making sense..
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Players' Coach
Wannstache is a players’ coach in every aspect of the title. At Pitt, the players absolutely loved him. He is perfect as a position coach because hopefully he can attract talented guys that will want to play for him here.
Besides, it can’t hurt bringing in an experienced defensive coach to help this team out.
LONG LIVE THE ’STACHE!
I always thought this was a long shot so kudos for the Bills for pulling it off. They could have gotten by with just hiring a LB coach.
If Jauron is the DC in Cleveland he might recruit Sanders for the DL coaching position. I’m not sure he’s a fit as a LB coach (but I’m not sure that he’s not either).
I don't think this point is getting enough attention
I also thought it was a long shot. I don’t think this is something that would have ever gotten done under the old regime. I may be wrong, but I think this speaks to the apparent culture change of the team.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Well, I guess we'll see....
I’m not thrilled about the idea of yet another 1990’s coaching re-tread that “got out of the NFL, went to college, and found someone to give them another shot in the NFL”, joining our coaching staff. But if there is ANY way he can improve this miserable defense, then bring it on!
I kind of like it
Gailey, Wannstedt, Fitzpatrick, Stevie, Merriman – we’re building a team of people who get the game and have something to prove. I love it .
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
Those are the types of guys / players that usually get the job done in the end…. That’s why I like reading Gregg Easterbrook TMQ so much, he recognizes the trench guys that make the whole game possible.
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by syrbillsfan on Jan 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Definately Significant but more so "Why".
First off, lets say this AHC title had alot to do with it. Especially, when the guy was interviewed for a DC position.
Second, Dave’s ties with Chan, What does this mean. Chan sold Buddy on the idea, maybe Doug Whaley had some input or was this all Chan telling Buddy we need this guy.
Third, George Edwards is the DC, Bob Sanders who is no rookie coach and knows personnel on the team better than most just got pushed a notch backwards and with the hiring of a former HC, DC as AHC/ILB coach does cloud things up defensively.
Fourth, this is a name, not Cowher or Gruden but it is a name with a defensive background. Recently, from the college ranks with ties from the class of 2010 and 2011.
Fifth, it does show an immediate response to our poorish defensive struggles.
This is definately a significant hire and could be the biggest addition on defense for 2011 than any FA or draftee going forward. I don’t see Chan being threaten here at all, but George Edwards security just got a little bit weaker because you don’t normally see two Assistant Head Coaches on teams.
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I believe he’s referring to Daryl Daye, whose title is actually “Assistant to the Head Coach”. Very Schrute-esque, but I think he’s more of an administrative guy than an actual coach.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Assistant to the Head Coach
means he’s not a coach, he’s essentially Chan’s on the field/in the meeting secretary.
by twoeightnine on Jan 21, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
There isn't a second one.
By hiring one, practically eliminates the possibility of there being a second one.
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… what? I am most definitely not following. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
If I was the Defensive Coordinator
My boss hires an Assistant Head Coach of some level of notiriety and places him on my staff as an ILB coach, it may be a great situation but it also doesn’t paint a great picture for my futue. I am not saying that Edwards is on his way out, but it limits his future to some extent in Buffalo. I could be way off here, but it is not a bad thing to have pieces in place when you are rebuilding. Stacking Coaches is important in case someone decides to leave or they fulfill thier contract and the team decides to move forward with someone different.
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Possibly not. Fewell was the DC and was given the HC job over someone with the AHC title last year.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jan 21, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
True
That went over real big didn’t it. Hey, I am not spinning this into a negative, I am just pointing out some of the questions that will be asked. We don’t sit at the conference table so we have to analyse all the decisions. This one IMO is worth some questions of Why and followed by results.
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Yeah, and the AHC didn’t take too kindly to it, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
who cares if edwards leaves
the defense made no progress as the season went on,this was a great move
Chan doesn’t need to sell Buddy on anything regarding his coaching staff. Buddy gave Chan full control over that aspect of the team.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
That's great
I believe you but as a GM and assigning titles and pay grades etc….. I am sure there was some discussion.
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wouldn't it be funny...
if the entire team came into training camp with either a ’stache, or a beard???
TEAM UNITY!!!!
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Great hire by Chan – a very experienced, knowledgable guy who’s going to help out George Edwards.
Interesting to think that we know have two former defensive coordinators in the NFL as defensive coaches on our team in Bob Sanders and Wannstedt. Of course, Eric Catavolos is arguably one of the best defensive backs coaches in the game and extremely experienced, too. Very experienced defensive staff – I LIKE!
by BuffaloBeliever on Jan 21, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions
Good move on paper...expectation time
I think Wannstedt makes a lot of sense for the team. George Edwards did not get a fair shake last season given the abysmal parts he was handed by Buddy Nix and friends. All indications are that Gailey wants to see personnel upgrades on defense and with the addition of Wannstedt, Edwards will have an experienced coach with some success at this level to lean on. I think Buffalo’s roster is a mess with no direction after year one of Buddy Nix, but my hope is that the defense begins to add the parts necessary to run a legitimate 3-4 starting now and Wannstedt could be an asset in utilizing these players. I have minimal hope of improvement in 2011, but at the very least I want to see the defense make a step towards good. One side of teh ball can improve dramatically in one offseason- that’s not impatience; it’s a reasonable expectation.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
George Edwards did not get a fair shake last season given the abysmal parts he was handed by Buddy Nix and friends
can i edit that to say DJ and friends….?
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
DJ didn’t sign Kelsay to a lucrative contract extension or draft a bad kick returner with a top 10 pick. Blame who you want, but I saw steps back rather than forward with the roster in 2010 given the Kelsay contract and the skimpy draft.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
DJ didn’t sign Kelsay to a lucrative contract extension
actually – yes he did.
draft a bad kick returner with a top 10 pick. Blame who you want, but I saw steps back rather than forward with the roster in 2010 given the Kelsay contract and the skimpy draft.
I love how 1 pick makes a draft – even though Troup and Carrington – both of whom are expected to contribute greatly to our defense over the next few years are competely left out of your assessment.
The reason I said DJ is because most of the team was still DJ’s – it takes more than 1 season for a GM to get the players they want. But you already know that…..
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
The Kelsay contract that hurts the Bills now is all Nix’s doing. And believe me, I’m including Troup and Carrington in my being pessimistic about the 2010 draft. One could argue that Gailey is too given his interest in continuing with plenty of 4-3 looks going forward since it’s a defense they don’t exactly fit snugly in. Some progress was a reasonable expectation. marked progress in 2011 is now the minimum requirement.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I’m including Troup and Carrington in my being pessimistic about the 2010 draft.
well I feel that it’s way to premature to make any good or bad assessments on these 2 guys – that’s for sure.
One could argue that Gailey is too given his interest in continuing with plenty of 4-3 looks going forward since it’s a defense they don’t exactly fit snugly in
and a major part of that is only having one season to transition the defense
Some progress was a reasonable expectation. marked progress in 2011 is now the minimum requirement.
depends on what your “marked progress” is. I fully expect progress as well and fully expect Troup and Carrington to show their stuff more after week 5/6 this season and to start really coming on as players.
but yes – improvement should be seen on the field on defense – 100% agreed
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One could argue that Gailey is too given his interest in continuing with plenty of 4-3 looks going forward since it’s a defense they don’t exactly fit snugly in
At the end of the season, Gailey specifically mentioned Troup and Carrington as two guys he was excited about for next season.
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by Jon Harrington on Jan 21, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't this have more to do with the switch to a 3-4, which was Buddy and Chan's agreement.
That is why Edwards was brought in. Switching to a 3-4 was Buddy’s move. Not having all the tools was Chan’s job. Not having the players is the FO job, and looking for ways to improve is the organizations job. This is step one in their evaluation process. A good move.
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I dont know how to respond to this with any rational so I will just say this
you could not be more wrong.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Continuing to be bad is acceptable? Only Bills supporters. Sigh.
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It’s laughable to assume that Bills fans are comfortable with the team being bad and that’s not what jbbillfan was saying. I’m not sure which piece of your assessment he was disagreeing with, but it’s supremely arrogant that you would take his disagreement with your observations to mean that he doesn’t care if the Bills win or lose.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 21, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
in no way is continuing to be bad acceptable.
Neither is it acceptable to keep seeing “all bad” when there is plenty of progress and good going on with this team. To be specific what I disagree with you on is this.
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“I think Buffalo’s roster is a mess with no direction after year one of Buddy Nix”
and,
.“I have minimal hope of improvement in 2011”
Sure I might be an opptomistic hommer, but I at least can see that there are improvements in many areas on this team.
I will just give a few that I see as undeniable.
1. At this time last year most of us were discussing how we could keep any QB alive behind our O-line. yes we need a RT, but we did not come close to having the worst O-line in the league, and Fitz not only lived through the season, but actually produced.
2. Speaking of Fitz at this time last year the best thing that could be said about him was something to the tune of “he is a solid back up with no up side” Trent was the top guy, and no one was expecting a lot from the QB’s we had on the team then and most new we would draft a high round QB out of neccesity. Now we have a starter in Fitz. He is not great, but he is good enough to win and take us to the next level. We used exactly zero draft picks doing this.
3. The WR position at this time last year was a big question mark. After Lee nobody knew what to expect. S. Johnson, and R. Parrish both stepped up, and now WR is considered deep.
I could go on with a long list of intangible changes that I see with the team, but that would just be improvements that are unproveable and oppinion.
I know you understand that traditionaly drafted D-linemen take some time. If we dont see some production out of Troup, and Carrington in 2011 then mabee we can start to judge, but it is way to early now.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
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by Jon Harrington on Jan 21, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Just curious....
In a typical hierarchy chain of command, head coach aside, who would have the higher position regarding defense in general, an assistant HC/LB coach or the DC?
And….. I love this hire
They’re kind of equal to my eye.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Edwards probably hates this move.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 21, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I seriously doubt it. Wannstedt met with Edwards and his assistants, not just Gailey.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 21, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
plus
I think Edwards, and the coach hired as “OC” understand that they are in learning mode as well as in their said positions. Gailey is an offensive guy, so in order to groom EEdwards further, he brings in Wandstadt.. good move
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by killascript on Jan 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Did you mean Senior Bowl?
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Let’s just hope he’s not dating any referee’s ex wife.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jan 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
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Awesome. Thank god Parks&Rec is back on!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that to be the most positive thing I ever read by you
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome show BTW...
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one more...
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 21, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
One of many hearty laughs last night.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 21, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm impressed
Thanks Matt, Based on that I have no doubt the Bills D will improve. Now we just have to work on those hair cuts!!
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This seems like an efficient way to add tons of experience and credibility to the defense.
No one had to be fired or willingly resigned, and if Edwards treats the situation right, it might help boost his DC career.
Gailey and ’Stache seem like a good match in their type of intensity…both of them demonstrate a winning persona without too much Singletary or Jauron or Rexis traits.
why so serious?
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The biggest thing for me is that he took this job over the DC job in Cleveland. To me that says a lot.
by billskk69 on Jan 21, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He did?
I’m pretty sure it says that Cleveland didn’t want him as DC.
by twoeightnine on Jan 21, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we can be clear which situation is correct, since we aren’t privy to the details right now.
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Isn't Cleveland a LOT colder than Buffalo??
Besides, the wings are better….. Great hire for the Bills. With DW here and Merriman calling all free agents to Buffalo, it should be an interesting offseson…..
2010 - "Chan"ge is finally here......
Meh.............
whatever..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Step in the right direction.
Good hire and who knows, maybe he can take over as Defensive Coordinator some day.
gailey has friends in high places
who respect the heck out of him….wannstedt’s decision reflects that….
he gets a chance to go up against the best teams in the afc, pats/jets/
two times per year….
he gets to go about building a cold weather defense, something he
had to have learned a bit about coaching in chicago and pitt….
and he knows about working with gailey while trying to win afc
east contests….
at this point we are talking about wrinkled men with tons of experience
who want nothing more nor less than to taste championships again…
i love the acquisition, love what it says about nix/gailey, and think it
should also create an environment in which free agents will be
seriously interested in entertaining offers from buffalo.
finally, i think it is invaluable that both gailey and wannstedt have a lot
of fresh experience with the college ranks….they know what kind of
game is played at both levels, and how players may or may not fit
at one level better or worse than another…..
the college game keeps a lotta coaches younger at heart and gives
them a deeper appreciation for the game itself, and the joy of building
a culture of team first, which is ultimately what all the great nfl franchises
have done….pittsburgh, new england, come to mind…
by simonpure on Jan 21, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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