Buffalo Bills Safeties: State Of The Bills Roster
This post is part of a series entitled State of the Bills Roster, in which we're breaking down and evaluating the Buffalo Bills on a position-by-position basis. If you're confused about the number and letter classification appearing after each player's name, read this post. You can check out all previous installments of this series here.
In 2008, the Bills got exactly zero interceptions out of a group of safeties that remains largely intact today. A year later, thanks mostly to the presence of Pro Bowl rookie Jairus Byrd, Buffalo's safeties picked off 17 passes, with nine of them coming from Byrd.
We openly wondered last May which of the two seasons was an aberration - 2008, with zero picks, or 2009, with 17. Less than a year later, we've got a definitive answer: Buffalo's safeties intercepted just four passes in 2010, while the team only raked in 11 as a whole.
A breakdown of Buffalo's group of safeties - almost all of whom are coming off a down year - lies after the jump.
Right now, the Bills have six safeties in their organization.
Donte Whitner (2-B). Statistically, Whitner had the best year of his career this past season. He finished the year with 140 tackles (a career high), a sack, an interception, a forced fumble and seven passes defended (also a career high). However, his behavior since the season ended has been highly erratic - he was not present for locker cleanout day, having removed all personal items and even his name plate from his locker well before his teammates, and has even challenged members of the local media to boxing matches, of all things - possibly fueled by the fact that he's frustrated over contract negotiations with the team. To say that his act has worn thin with some Bills fans has worn thin would be an understatement. Particularly after he tweeted this. And this. And then this.
Jairus Byrd (2-C). "Sophomore slump" doesn't really cover it. Byrd didn't record his first (and only) interception of the season until a meaningless season finale, which he then returned for the Bills' final touchdown of the season. Teams avoided him early in the season, but as he was struggling, opponents finally were able to take advantage of Byrd's limitations (chiefly size) during the mid portions of the season. He's got a lot of growing to do as a player, but there is still upside here.
George Wilson (3-E). His biggest impact continues to be as a special teams player, where he is arguably the team's best coverage player, and is also a captain. He looks best at safety when he's the chief reserve, because if he's asked to play either position long-term, teams will expose his lack of range. Insofar as role players go, Wilson is about as good as it gets.
Bryan Scott (3-E). Scott once again saw action as a sub-package defender, where he was asked to cover the short areas in lieu of some of the Bills' overwhelmed linebackers. The results were once again average - and on a bad football team, average can be a beautiful thing.
Jon Corto (4-F). Solely a special teams presence, and his 2010 season will be best remembered for several untimely penalties that brought back some big plays - a C.J. Spiller punt return score most prominent among them.
Brett Johnson (4-F). Super-athletic undrafted rookie free agent that was with the Bills in the spring, released, spent most of the season in Philly, and then ended the year on Buffalo's practice squad.
Contract situations to monitor: Whitner is a free agent, and is reportedly seeking an absurd $7 million per season. If he gets an offer in that ballpark from another team, the Bills will be looking for a new strong safety. Wilson is also set to become a free agent, while Scott is entering the final year of a two-year deal he signed last March. (He'll make $1.5 million in 2011.)
Outlook: At some point, this group will need to be re-tooled - and that point in time will come quickly if Whitner leaves via free agency. On the whole, this group lacks toughness against the run, and lacks top-notch athleticism as well. Whitner is unique in the group simply because he's athletic enough to provide a defense some versatility; the rest are basically one-trick ponies. You can get by with this group, but it is not a dynamic group of talent, and the jury is definitely out on their collective playmaking ability.
Possible Acquisition: If the Bills find themselves in position to add a big, rangy defender for the better of this group, I can't see them not pulling the trigger.
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I honestly dont think there is a pure SS in the draft that I really like........
This might have to be addressed via FA. ( I say this seeing as SS is a bigger need than FS IMO)
I wouldnt be that excited to know the B.Scott would be the default starting SS when Whitner leaves (and I like Scott………but not that much)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions
I wouldn’t be especially disappointed if Scott was the starting SS next year. I have a hard time seeing a difference (besides maturity level).
I also think Scott is underrated. He is a tough tackler against the run and by far the best SS the Bills have covering slot receivers or TE’s. No reason he couldn’t be the starter.
I like Scott too....
but I DO NOT want to see him starting or seeing too much PT as a SS. He can cover TEs, but he can’t cover a WR, he is dirt slow, and his one trick is run support, not coverage. Re-sign Wilson as a place-holder, I like his play and his attitude is great to have on the team.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 25, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
After the way Whitner has acted
I can’t see the bills paying him top safety money, he might be a little above average but his attitude lacks maturity and shows downright disrespect for an organization that made him a rich man. I say we make him a fair offer take it or leave
Im pretty sure Gailey is big on character
B. Scott has character in spades, so we will probably be starting Scott in 2011 and Whitless will be tweeting with the Bengals
Character is great and all.........
but talent is what wins in the NFL………..and Scott should be a reserve at best…….not the stater.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I like Scott, but I want to keep Whitner, the guy is solid and our alternatives are not that great. He’s not easily replaced. It’s too bad he knows this and is acting like that makes him worth $7m. I gotta think he doesn’t get this offer. Once he sees the market options, Buffalo’s stance will look a lot more fair. Which means he is not as intelligent as he claims, because he seems to be trying his best to burn bridges. Just get off twitter dude. Imagine what our impression of this guy would be without twitter?
by greysquirrel on Jan 25, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
SOLID
If he is solid, does that mean that his duties on the field do not include covering a TE???
People hate on the guys skills too much because of his draft rank. Apparently no one on the team can cover a TE. I’d rather have Whitner on the field than any of the other safeties on the team and probably more than our best alternative in FA or the draft. Come up with a better option and I’d be psyched, I just haven’t heard it.
by greysquirrel on Jan 25, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
If Whitner was a 5th-round pick, I doubt the team would be chomping at the bit to resign him. I’m fully convinced that his lofty draft status is what has put this whole contract situation on the hot coals.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ignoring raft status and money. I just will never buy the argument we are better without him.
by greysquirrel on Jan 25, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Probably true, but they’re not good with him. They just manage to field a body. I honestly stuck up for Whitner a ton on this forum until very recently. At this point, I find him unable to improve as an impact player for the Bills. I think the team needs to find value elsewhere.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
How exactly is Whitner solid or not easily replaced?
He doesn’t make plays, his “hard hitting” often leads to an additional 3-5 yards gained because he throws his shoulder instead of wrapping up. Sure he made a lot tackles but any safety would make a lot of tackles behind this front 7.
by twoeightnine on Jan 25, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Replace Whitner with London Fletcher and it sounds like another solid player we could have used that got under-appreciated. I didn’t say he was perfect, but gimme some credible alternatives. I don’t think Wilson or Scott can replace Whitner. I’m not saying he’s worth big money, but I don’t want to replace him with a street FA or a role player. How does that fix anything except fan frustration?
by greysquirrel on Jan 25, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
i haven’t really been paying attention to Whitner lately, but he’s going nuts on Twitter. Challenging guys to fights, responding childishly, and seemingly burning the bridge on his way out of Buffalo with the team and fans, while not so subtly talking up his desire to play for the Browns. Oh and his actually changed his name to TWHITNER? HA! If he’s looking to make $7M a year (pipe dream), he might want to take a look at how his Twitter meltdown is playing out.
As for this position, meh. Bunch of average role players with limited physical abilities. The Bills would be smart to add a more athletic player with good recognition skills. Too bad those aren’t easy to find.
I’m not sure if I’m disappointed in Byrd’s season. I expected his interceptions to go down, but not that far. At the same time, he seemed to improve his tackling and was better against the run this year (not that that says much). His physical limitations certainly do seem to hurt him and I still think he does a poor job of recognition and reacting on pass plays.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 25, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
SMDH @ Whitner.
wow……..just wow.
He’s like a 13 year old girl……….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
He really is
Guy gets bent out of shape for any little bit of criticism.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
and this is why...
Professional athletes and celebrities should let their PR people earn their salaries. If ESPN asked me to do a press conference this afternoon, I’d come out looking like a fool. So I’d hire a publicist to do ii for me and I just might come out looking a respectable gentleman (fooling everyone in the process).
Professional athletes and celebrities should let their PR people earn their salaries
Whitner probably should have tried to sign Mo as his PR girl off TO if he didn’t want to look so stupid.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2011 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sad.
I don’t follow Whitner so I don’t have permission to read his breakdown anymore.
by twoeightnine on Jan 25, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I dont follow him.........
just click on his name (on the link K provided) and you can see his stuff………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Dammit.
He’s blocked me then. First play he’s made all year.
by twoeightnine on Jan 25, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hehe.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
LOL...rec'd
For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.
rec from me too.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2011 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
I like Byrd's improvements...
you can tell he really worked on his technique. INTs come and go, he has skills.
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Jan 25, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whitner is the weekest link character wise on this team
i have no doubt he will be somewhere else next year.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
I don’t like Whitner, but I wouldn’t say that. The effort and desire is there. The talent, not so much, and he’s thin skinned at best and immature at worst.
There’s a lot worse character problems out there.
A lot worse character problems?
He threw his entire secondary under the bus. He’s basically told the entire fanbase to blow him. He’s much more than thin-skinned and immature.
by twoeightnine on Jan 25, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Two thoughts…
-I think the far more important switch our defense made last year was from primarily a cover 2 defense to a defense that employed much more man coverage. This is without question the biggest reason for the dropoff in picks. Playing either safety position, you face the quarterback much more, which makes it easier to read and react if they try to throw downfield, especially for a player like Byrd who is good at it anyway.
With far less of that type of defense, and more man coverage responsibilities, interceptions were almost certain to decline.
-While Byrd wasn’t nearly as productive with interceptions, he was vastly improved against the run. His rookie year, Jarius was a liability in the run game. Not to say that he was Polumalu out there, but Jarius was a far more sturdy tackler and played his run lanes much better. So, it wasn’t all bad.
by perkispower on Jan 25, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
All we need is Mother Earth, Father Sky, and our dear old Uncle Tony.
Am I right? or amiright?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Lunch has been cancelled, due to a lack of hustle.
Deal with it.
by perkispower on Jan 25, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Up to this point, your comment has been the best in this thread. Rec’d for the analysis.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Don't necessarily agree
This is without question the biggest reason for the dropoff in picks.
Biggest reason? I don’t know, maybe. But certainly not the only major reason. The QB’s we faced had a lot to do with the inflated interception total from a year ago. We didn’t face nearly the ineptitude this past year. I’d say that’s as big a reason as any.
I think the zone/man debate is more of an excuse than anything. You basically made it sound like safeties shouldn’t get interceptions in man coverage, which is obviously not going to be true. Plus, how often are Free Safeties playing man coverage? As has been the case his entire career, I think Byrd looks a step slow getting to the ball. He got many of those picks last year off of tipped balls or downright bad passes. There were fewer of those this year and we saw him struggle in the turnover department.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You basically made it sound like safeties shouldn’t get interceptions in man coverage, which is obviously not going to be true. Plus, how often are Free Safeties playing man coverage?
That’s a straw man argument. I didn’t say they shouldn’t get interceptions playing man coverage. What I said was the defense employs more man looks. Playing a cover 1 zone as a free safety, with everyone else playing man coverage and the entire field to cover, is completely different than being a Tampa 2 safety that’s playing a much stricter zone.
Furthermore, I don’t even think that defense is necessarily better suited to getting picks, but I do think any transition is going to hurt production.
One more thing...
Another important factor people haven’t been giving too much attention to is that the lack of secondary production in 2008 and 2010 also coincides with the loss of Aaron Schobel. He only played 5 games in 2008 and was released amicably from the team before this season began. I don’t know for sure that the two are directly linked to each other, but I think we all can agree that a decent pass rush can really help a secondary out. That’s something we haven’t had this year at all, and it must have negatively impacted the production of the secondary in some way.
by APhoenixDestiny on Jan 25, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was a Whitner supporter for a good long while.
I fimly believe that the organization needs to separate themselves from him. He’s not displaying the type of behavior most of the younger players should learn from.
Donte, you are officailly a clown in my eyes. Maybe you should try and get a role on The Young and the Resless and forget the game of football for a bit.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
I agree with this complaint. While I think he plays a role on the field. His off the field stuff has gone from mildly distracting to an indictment of his intelligence.
by greysquirrel on Jan 25, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Right. It’s like he’s losing focus on the important things. Things like helping to improve a terrible defense that he was part of, instead of saying his play helped keep them some degree of adequate.
He’s so loopy.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Don't tase me bro!
His off the field stuff has gone from mildly distracting to an indictment of his intelligence.
Maybe his taser incident fried his brain’s synapses causing slightly crazy behavior.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2011 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
Depressing but accurate
review of our terrible situation at safety. So we add this to glaring needs at linebacker, offensive tackle, defensive end and quarterback. And oh yes, we will probably use the #3 pick for either a wide receiver or cornerback.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
Ladies and Gentlemen.............
your Buffalo Bills!
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we don’t have a #1 wide receiver or a #1 cornerback either, so I’m not sure I see your point. It’s not like those positions are a bed of roses either.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
I would love Peterson at 3…what a gift if we get him.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
me too!!
a resounding REC’D!!!! I think Peterson is not only the BPA but the BPA in a position of need imo. let’s just face it, our corners aren’t the greatest either and Peterson brings much needed skill and toughness, which is exactly what we need.
We need to re-sign Wilson. He is a captain, he can play both SS and FS, the guy goes otu and fights every play and always seems to make a play or two a game that leaves you feeling good about him.
Sands in the 3rd would be a good pick I think. He can sit a year and rotate in at both SS and FS and then eventually take over the SS spot. Byrd – Sands would be a good combo I think.
Byrd needs a lot of work still. Hes got to learn when to go for the ball and when to go for the hit, also needs to “grow a set” when hes going for the hit. I thought he run support was better this year than last, but its still a work in progress.
Byrd, Wilson, Scott, Sands would be a pretty decent Saftey combo.
Lets Go Buff a lo!!!
This is the combo they've had.......
Byrd, Wilson, Scott, Sands would be a pretty decent Saftey combo.
dont you want more than mediocre?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
No...
Im replacing Whitner with Robert Sands.
Obviously I would prefer a better backfield but we cant upgrade every position to All-Pro’s. I would take that backfield next year and let Sands grow. I think he could turn into a very good player.
Lets Go Buff a lo!!!
There is irony here.
Whitner’s career has mirrored a defense that has struggled mightily in developing a pass rush and stopping the run. Along with at least the past three years of poor line backing. Although I don’t agree with the 7 million he is asking for I do agree that he has been asked to do such a variety of different things on this defense that he has never been able to become great at anything other than filling in the weaknesses of other defenders on the team. Those weakness I am referring too could be providing coverage longer than to be expected, being sucked into run defense because the LB’s and DE’s can’t control the LOS consistently, shadowing his coverage with mismatches forced by LB’s on TE’s.
I don’t read his twitter account, I don’t need to I get an eye full here. I also don’t care for much of the content of his twitter account but really could care less what he thinks. I do try to be as objective as possible when analysing his points of view. My point is during his career we have never been able to put a defense on the field where he was asked to do just what his strengths were thus scattering his talents into an above average career in Buffalo thus causing the Bills to offer him the 5 million dollar deal and not the 7 mill that someone else will likely pay for him.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
At this point i’m willing to see what his play is like with another team.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure you will
Yet you offer no alternative to improve the defense let alone the secondary.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
I don’t feel the need to offer an alternative to improve the defense. I’m a fan who’s frustrated with Donte Whitner’s endless public “disgrace.” I don’t get paid to know who or what improves this defense. That’s the organization’s and Whitner’s job.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Though since you asked, linky-link and scroll to the bottom…
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html
It’s time for the team to make a play for their guy.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 25, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Playmaker to Better against the run.
Jarius Byrd, why can a guy go from 9 picks one year to one the next year. Is it because offenses ran the ball more, is it because our defensive scheme changed and his responsibilities were to cover more and force underneath passing. There is a reason for this and I just hope it is not the same reasons as the demise of Donte Whitner and his career. Better players up front in the front seven will improve the play of all our safeties.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
I hear the jets carried 15 DBs
Against the patriots they had 7 guys back and 4 rushing. Seemed to work pretty well and the patriots are the team we need to beat.
Yeah but the Jets could stop the Pats from running the ball.
The Pats ran for 153 total yards in 2 games vs the Jets.
The Pats ran for 417!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vs the Bills in 2 games.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 25, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I WAS a supporter of Donte....
but this is getting too diva-ish for me. I do agree that he did a lot to help the secondary and was given additional responsibilities with the new system. However, this is a case of promoting someone too immature to handle the promotion of responsibilities. He’s power tripping !! He needs to shut up, call Winfield in Minnesota to be schooled on how to tackle. Geez…I wish I had a needle to pop the hot air in his head. He’s good but not that good.
BTW greysquirrel…if you have a diva on your team, that will throw his teammates under the bus, I don’t care how good he is and how much you think you need him, for the sake of the TEAM chemistry get rid of him. If I was OBD I’d withdraw my offer and start looking for takers.
AMEN!!!!!!
Yo, you said the exact thing i was trying to say to greysquirrel below…his drama aint worth destroying the team chemistry, i dont care how good he is…but the thing is, HE AINT THAT GOOD!!!! I’ve been sayin the man can’t tackle for the longest. nothin but shoulder tackling..that’s crap! And my man Winnfield didnt have the athleticism as whitner but boy was he and still is an excellent tackler! his tackling abilities is what’s kept him in the league for so long! AND HE’S A CORNER, NOT A SS!! WHAT THE CRAP??!!!!!
140 Tackles
For a safety that many tackles is an indication of the poor quality of our linebackers, more than the true skill of Whitner. As much as we might not be able to replace him, his uptick in pass defense ability is about three years too late, and he isn’t great at blitzing or stopping the run.
I would rather spend more money on the defensive front 7, bring in a couple experiments at SS, through the draft or rookie free agents, and let Scott and Wilson man the fort until next year.
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
OK
Guess my criticism was a lil harsh, so I’ll just say trade him. I was just upset because I was supporting him through the season and now he’s acting very immature….IMO. My apologies to the staff.
He's a free agent.
We get nothing, just let him go, no fault divorce.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2011 4:33 AM EST up reply actions
MOST UNDER RATED STAT EVER
Byrd led the team in forced fumbles, which in additon to his interception means he led the Bills in forced Turnovers. which is the most underated stat in the NFL.
BTW…for bonus points (dont use google) who leads the NFL if all time forced fumbles?
(its a tie)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......... Without cheating.
The Biscuit?
Bruce?
The REAL LT?
Dick Butkus?
"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 25, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
just a guess
but i’m going Rod Woodson and/or Ronnie Lott.
Byrd led the team in forced fumbles, which in additon to his interception means he led the Bills in forced Turnovers. which is the most underated stat in the NFL.
It’s also a stat open to interpretation. It’s up to the scorekeeper to decide who caused the fumble. Sure on some plays it’s easy peesy but on others it could go a handful of guys (much like sacks) or it really shouldn’t go to anyone. Unlike sacks thought they don’t give out .5 fumbles forced.
by twoeightnine on Jan 25, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
good point....
but maybe they should start with that stat….i mean if a guy is forcing fumbles that is a huge factor in the game right? would you rather have a forced fumble or a sack each game all year long. i mean if you could pick one? id go with fumble…it doesnt set the offense back, it gets you the ball.
Well yes.
But it’s not like Byrd was a master of forcing fumbles. He had 3 all season and 2 of those came during Hillis’s day of dropsies.
by twoeightnine on Jan 25, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Brrruuuuuuuce
is actually tied with Jason Taylor….but hey, #1 is still #1.
http://www.playerfilter.com/most-forced-fumbles#/g,u;ffum,desc,r;deftd;dintc;dsack;tot>f=career&limit=180
Whitner has officially reached A$$ Clown status......I wish the Browns could make an offer for him right now....stupid CBA
For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.
I understand...
I don’t think Wilson or Scott can replace Whitner. I’m not saying he’s worth big money, but I don’t want to replace him with a street FA or a role player. How does that fix anything except fan frustration?
…grey, I can understand where you’re coming from from a talent vs talent perspective, but man that kind of attitude and tantrums are cancerous in a locker room…if his antics continue to get out of hand like they already are then replacing him will fix what’s more important for the progression of this team, and that’s unity. I’m not preaching or nothing man, but a house divided against itself cannot stand. i think whitner is an avg ss but i wouldn’t cry to see him leave for the sake of keeping the team in one accord.
I blame G.Edwards for Byrd's INTs going down
I actually really think the scheme is what caused Jairus to be less of a playmaker this season. If you watched the alignment on either-or downs or obvious passing down, Edwards has Jairus lining up 15-20 yards off the ball and immediately backpedaling downfield – he’s playing true center-field in a Cover One back there.
This, in my mind, is done for one reason: to prevent the big play over the top, which I think the Bills did pretty effectively most of the season. However, it also pulls him out of run support and leaves the short-middle of the field wide the f*** open, which, given how bad our linebackers are in pass coverage, just led to the Bills getting GASHED by TEs and short passes all season long. Yet Edwards stubbornly refused to move Byrd up, still preventing the big play but getting us killed by the short stuff.
I think Byrd’s INT count went down so much just because teams didn’t have any reason to throw into the area where Edwards put him.
by HarryNeale'sGarden on Jan 26, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions
I actually really think the scheme is what caused Jairus to be less of a playmaker this season. If you watched the alignment on either-or downs or obvious passing down, Edwards has Jairus lining up 15-20 yards off the ball and immediately backpedaling downfield – he’s playing true center-field in a Cover One back there.
I agree, he just doesn’t have the speed to cover center field in a cover one zone.
He is much more effective playing half a field deep in a cover 2 zone.
As the season progressed, he became much better at coming up and providing run support on running plays from centerfield.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions

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