Don't touch Newton with a ten foot pole!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/31/cam-newtons-media-workout-called-a-publicity-stunt/
This guy is a real circus act! The last thing that we need in Buffalo is this type of guy! Hype, Hype, Hype that all he's about! He can't even let the normal course do it's thing, he needs to attract attention to himself any way he can. Please Mr Wilson, don't let this happen - you don't get to pick this high often so please make it count, choose a mature kid that can come in and have an immediate impact.
If Newton is willing to resort to these type of tactics, how in the world can anyone expect him to sit and learn behind Fitz for a few years? He'd be a distraction to our team fabric from day 1. We cannot miss with the 3rd overall pick and this guy is like a ticking bomb!
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You didn’t like Newton before you read this and now because someone agrees with you, you feel vindicated? I’m not arguing w/ you, just merely pointing something out. What if Newton turns out to be something great? By this I mean what if the Bills, pass up on him along w/ many other teams, and he indeed turns out to be just as good as a Big Ben or an Aaron Rodgers? Would you be happy w/ the aggressive stance you took on not taking him? Or would you regret your favorite team not taking a player that could help us win? Character issues are blown out of proportion in my opinion. No one saw the Ryan Leaf debacle. No one! In fact the guy was a BEAST his first few games in the league. If we take Gabbert and he turns out to be Alex Smith and someone else takes Newton and he turns out to be something no one has ever expected, I think you will be just as upset as the rest of the people on this board. Despite the fact that all the signs of this guy being a player at this level are in all of our faces.
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
not at all !
I think you will be just as upset as the rest of the people on this board
I will stand by my position. My problem with him goes way beyond his skills. The last thing I want is to my favorite team choose a deadbeat that we will have to endure for many years to come. There are enough decent guys out there that we don’t need to be considering such a large boom/bust candidate with that many negative flags attached to his character.
For the record, I agree with you that the probablility of Chix taking Newton in the first round seem quite slim.
Yes i didn’t like him before. And it’s not someone that agrees with me that makes me feel vindicated… He is entirely the one organizing this circus event. He himself is the only one to blame. He himself is proving me right all on his own.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Fair Enough :)
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
Ryan Leaf
“No one saw the Ryan Leaf debacle. No one!”
I had lunch with a retired NFL coach right before the 1998 draft. I asked him, “Manning or Leaf?” I thought Leaf. In a polite way—for this gentleman is always polite—he told me I was nuts to choose Leaf for many reasons, including character, that turned out to be very accurate. He certainly saw it coming.
“In fact the guy was a BEAST his first few games in the league.”
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LeafRy00/gamelog//
In his first four games, he threw one TD (against Buffalo, of all teams) and eight picks. Hardly a beast. He ended the year with two TDs, fifteen picks, and a QB rating of 39.0.
I thought Leaf was going to excel, so you probably should take my opinion for what it is worth, which is not much. I see Newton as a great college quarterback who will have a tough time transitioning to the NFL—and stunts like his media workout simply make my spidey senses tingle.
by Fred Whoosah on Jan 31, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Just because he liked Manning more, doesn’t mean he knew he would flame out in three years . . . And I say beast in context of a guy who was brand new in the league in his rookie year. He won his first 2 games, and threw for over 50 percent which was pretty good for a rookie in that not as friendly QB era. Mostly, my point was this, to rule out a guy because of a mistake he made at the age of 18 and something his dad did. Is a bad idea, almost as bad as drafting lesser talented “high character guys” and hoping to win a Super Bowl.
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
Anything is possible
But I haven’t even given Newton a second thought for the Bills. To many comments by Chix that would contradict Newtion being a viable option on this team.
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I agree w/ this, the last thing Nix is, is a liar! If we were to take Newton it would be based solely on the recommendation of Gailey. However, Nix doesn’t strike me as an appeaser
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
I think it’s too hard to figure out anything they’re going to do on draft day. Talking as they have, inferring that Newton may not be the type of player they seek, could just be smokescreening.
Newton is immensely talented.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 31, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
No big deal
I don’t think that this is such a big deal. Scouts will have a chance to see and evaluate him. Is this a publicity stunt , yes, does it mean he’ll fail at the next level, no.
I've got a feeling that Buffalo is going to the Super, er, going play hard and lose in a gutwrenching fashion -
It only costs 180K per person to show up.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 31, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions
Can we touch him with an 15 foot pole ?
Frenobillsfan
by cencalclassics on Jan 31, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions
how about a 2nd or 3rd round pole?
I mean, if this drops to the third round and the Bills didnt pick him they would be… well, not smart.
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by killascript on Jan 31, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I like the thought of Newton as a player.
He has a ton of work to do in his role of being an adult. If you want to see something eye-opening, read his twitter feed. Just Google it. A real horror show.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 31, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I just read like a months worth of tweets, great entertainment but wow is that guy dumb.
not to mention this little gem:
I wouldn’t even waste my time in Buffalo…
Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:58:49 PM via Twitter for iPhone
I say screw him, and lets watch this clown turn into a massive bust
I just looked at about a dozen of his comments. Didn’t see that one. Hmm.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 31, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Do not believe any twitter account that isn’t verified. Not to mention in the bio, it says NOT Cam Newton
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
If you want a twitter account to know his status, follow @georgewhitfield that’s his throwing coach and ask about him. He answers questions . . . somewhat, but that’s as good as it will get.
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
Good info. I thought the posts were a bit harmful to his career in the NFL. I’m not a twitter geek, so what I know and use of it is peripheral at best.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 31, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
That just goes to show you the level of depravity some people will go to in an effort to harm others. Sad, very sad.
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by Montel on Jan 31, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s also a great reason for me to continue disliking twitter.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
i think your making too much of this
One thing it shows, is his desire to work in the NFL. Instead of knocking him for “going the extra mile” how about acknowledging the fact he is showing his willingness to put in extra effort. It’s not like he can mail in extra resumes, so this is his method of raising his profile. Tebow did a similar move last year, so why all the angst this time around?
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by Montel on Jan 31, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
<blockquoteInstead of knocking him for "going the extra mile" how about acknowledging the fact he is showing his willingness to put in extra effort.blockquote>
So why can’t scouts come then? I’d still be hesitant about touching this guy in the 2nd. Our defensive needs are too great to even spend a 2nd round pick on Newton in my opinion (though I doubt we get the chance).
Draft John Clay -RB- 6'1 255lbs. from Wisconsin!! Long-term complement for CJ Spiller. Round 3.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 31, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Newton is a Red flag all on his own.
He’s another Akili Smith or JaMarcus Russell, except that he puts in more work into pretending he works hard.
He is NOT NFL starter material. He’s not even CFL starter matirial. Not only would I not want to touch him with a 100 foot poll, I don’t even want to see him go in the first round anymore! Mind you someone like Dan Snyder, Al Davis or the Titans are going to throw away their pick at him. Let them have fun with that, we can pass.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 31, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions
What about a 150 ft. pool ?
Frenobillsfan
by cencalclassics on Jan 31, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
If Cam isn't NFL starter material
Then either is Jake Locker. I can’t understand how these two athletes have such different views on their NFL potential.
Easy, because Cam’s starting material has nothing to do with his athletic ability. One thing that far too many people forget is that the NFL game is NOT Madden: You can’t win with physical ability alone, you also need to be a smart and dedicated student of the game.
Newton has not shown any glimpse of maturity, has repeatedly shown that he doesn’t put in the extra effort and is actively trying to get by on his physical talent alone. That doesn’t cut it in the NFL. You need to be smart too. Locker is. He’s constantly studying and trying to make himself better. He’ll never be that athlete that Newton is, but he’ll ALWAYS be the better football player.
As far as smarts, dedication, willingness to learn, Locker is 100 times better than Newton in my book.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 1, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I could not agree more
As far as smarts, dedication, willingness to learn, Locker is 100 times better than Newton in my book
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I'm curious
How do you know Cam Newton isn’t dedicated and willing to learn in football? I’m not talking about him as a person or student but specifically as a football player. Are there reports that he’s lazy in practice and film study? I can’t claim to have read every article on him so I could have just missed this.
Are there reports that he’s lazy in practice and film study?
Pretty much every scouting report I’ve read on him have said that actually.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 3, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
your right
Locker is not starter material, but folks are so infatuated with him they constantly make excuses for his shortcomings. He’s been inaccurate all year and has mechanical issues with his arm. He’ll be just like Fitz, inaccurate for his entire career.
Newton has a very fluid throwing motion, and has shown that he has the desire to work hard to improve himself. When his “media day” was announced, he may or may not have known that pro scouts are limited to school organized or NFL combine events.
One thing that is overlooked by many, is Newton played in 13 junior college games in 2009 and his stats were similar to 2010 with Auburn. He is consistent and has won two championships. As another blogger pointed out, all SB winning QBs have won a bowl game. The question is; do you draft a QB who is a proven winner who needs polish, or an inconsistent one who needs a lot of work?
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by Montel on Feb 3, 2011 12:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But what if it was Andrew Luck?
Are you saying you WOULD touch him with a ten foot poll?
Did I mention the tank is a tank?
if it were andrew luck
id get my wife to give him an old fashioned just to get him to play for the bills… and she’s got skill so i wouldnt worry he’d come to Buffalo. LOL
I HATE NEWTON… with a passion, we dont need someone who wont be in the league five years from now. or at least looking for a team to be a back up on like Vince Young
I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.
I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.
by John Paul King Baron on Feb 1, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
id get my wife to give him an old fashioned just to get him to play for the bills… and she’s got skill so i wouldnt worry he’d come to Buffalo.
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In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I was really, really drunk when i replied to that one...
glad someone liked it… my wife didnt.
I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.
I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.
by John Paul King Baron on Feb 3, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Funny, not ha ha
Some people are all up in arms saying He’s another Akili Smith or JaMarcus Russell or Vince Young. Next thing you know they’ll probably say he was not really born in America and demand a birth certificate. The weird panic is the same.
Why is it that he never gets compared to Alex Smith, Tim Couch, David Carr or Matt Leinart?
Maybe because those guys were all pocket passers first? Why else do you think?
Many have compared him to Big Ben also I’ll have you know.. Not that I agree but from a big physical specimen perspective he is quite comparable.
The reason he gets compared to Russel is because he’s a big guy with a big arm AND both came out of college with a flag in regards to work ethics.
The reason he gets compared to Vince young is because of their size and propensity to run first. Again both have big arms, great physical talent but again BOTH were know as somewhat lazy with bad work ethics.
Don’t make this into something it isn’t.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I don't get the concern about his football work ethic
Obviously we can question his work ethic as a student if the reports of plagiarism are true but I’ve never heard anything negative about his football work ethic. In fact, I remember throughout the season reading articles discussing just him in football terms, not the personal issues, and reading that he was the undisputed leader of that team. I just don’t see how other players would follow him if he was lazy with his football work ethic, no matter how talented he is. Here’s an article from January specifically discussing his leadership and work ethic with quotes from his coach and fellow players:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=5993420
I do agree that people might be making this issue into something it’s not. But I think that’s because it seems that people can’t separate Cam Newton the person from Cam Newton the football player. Not all good football players are also good people (Vick and Roethlisberger). I can understand many reasons to be hesitant on Cam Newton in the NFL but football work ethic is not one of them.
if it were just one allegation or just once maybe but he supposedly did it multiple times.
BTW work ethic for a QB doesn’t only mean weight room it mainly means studying film and learning from the QB1 already in place and thos are the two elements that really worry me about this guy. He’s done absolutely nothing to prove anyone otherwise.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I’m not only talking about the weight room. I’m talking about his dedication to playing football. We have no evidence that he’s not dedicated to film study. In fact, that article mentions him putting in the time for video study. Unless there is evidence or reports that he’s not dedicated to football and what playing football requires, then saying otherwise is just an assumption.
Plus it was his father that took the money, not him.
I have not heard anything bad about him other than he does not have a lot of experience and he looks like Vince Young.
Is he not in agreement with this media work-out day? This is a stunt to attract attention, that’s all it is. It’s just one more indication that he and his father are not that different. I get that people love his athletic abilities but this guy has money and fame flags coming out the wazoo!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
by keysh67 on Feb 2, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where did it come from?
They say good news travels fast, bad news travels faster. The news about Newtons activities at Miami spread like wildfire. One thing that did not come out of Miami, was anything questioning his work ethic. So where did it come from?
We know he was in posession of a stolen laptop and allegedly he cheated on exams. But no one on the hurricanes coaching staff or athletic department has ever been quoted as saying he’s a lazy football player. there is an article online (and a you tube video) which talks about his volunteer work and desire to own / operate a youth center. There’s another article that interviews his Auburn teammates, they talk about while attending a picnic he focused on patterns with the receivers instead of partying. His teammates said when Newton arrived on campus he was unpretentious and they made him team captain based on leadership skills and his willingness to put the team ahead of himself.
So where did these rumors of Newton being a lazy football player come from? He is clearly the most talented QB of this years draft class and yet some declare he lacks the talent to play at the pro level. If he is not pro material than logically, the OTHER lesser talented players are below semi-pro.
Newton has hired a QB consultant to “coach him up” on the aspects of his game that he must improve to play well at the pro level, yet some say he has done absolutely nothing to prove he’s a hard worker. Lazy people don’t hire people to make them work hard, C’mon man! He didn’t have to get a consultant, he could have sat back and let the offers roll in. That’s what a lazy, greedy person would do. So now he’s labeled as self centered, but his past behavior doesn’t show that. If that were the case, he certainly wouldn’t spend his free time at a youth center. Has he made mistakes? Yes, we all have our share of bad decisions but ours are out of the public spotlight.
Cheating on a college exam does not equate to being lazy. A prominent person in the military community had one of his frat brothers take his exams for him, both have gone on to be pillars in their respective communities and neither are lazy.
I suppose the next thing will be to declare he is greedy because he has product endorsements. Hershell Walker, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, all had endorsements right out of school. They’re not greedy people and neither is Cam Newton.
We all know that some players are more athletically gifted than others. Some players become “students of the game” others do not. Knowledge of the game does not make someone an inherently better player, especially if they lack the physical skills to use it to their advantage. Fitz is the perfect example, he is very intelligent but has a tendency to throw off target or wobbly balls at inopportune times.
Many people on this blog want to draft Locker, a QB of questionable ability because he is a “hard worker, a football player”. Many derrided Nix for signing Kelsay another “hard working football player” of questionable ability, to a big contract. One definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”.
As a Bills fan, I want to see our team draft the best QB available and that means selecting Cam Newton. They could certainly do otherwise and no doubt they will rationalize their decision regardless of who they pick. The scouting staff at OBD will dilligently research all potential draft picks and in the end we will rely on their judgement. Truth be told, we have no choice. They are shrewed judges of character or they wouldn’t be where they are. I am confident they will get to the bottom of these “lazy player” allegations, where that rumor came from and in the end, choose Cam Newton for the Buffalo Bills.
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by Montel on Feb 3, 2011 2:15 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'm still undecided on Newton....
but i rec’d your comment because you do bring up very valid points. i do wish he didn’t do the promo thing (IMO it wasn’t needed). Truthfully, my BIGGEST problem with him is his father. From the reports I read the son seems to be alright guy, although he’s made some stupid mistakes. I’m still doing research on the Miami incident. Also, I’m a firm believer in not listening to rumors because they are not facts.
I’m puzzled by the “media day” too. I think he will benefit from being away from his parents and with other pro athletes. I believe guys like Fitz and Evans would take an active role in mentoring Newton. I believe the team is closer knit now, then it was under Jauron and that contributed to Lynch’s troubles in Buffalo.
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by Montel on Feb 3, 2011 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awesome post
I think the “lazy player” allegations comes from an assumption based on an obvious dislike of Cam Newton as an individual. I can’t think of any other explanation. I’ve searched the internet trying to find reports that state he’s a “lazy player”, but I can’t find any.
I want to see our team draft the best QB available and that means selecting Cam Newton
IMO – I don’t see Newton as the best QB available – he runs so stinking much it’s tough to say how good he’s going to be having to read NFL defenses.
I care to a point about his transgressions if there are any – but his playing style is why i don’t want the Bills to draft him.
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