Green will have me seeing Red
C'mon man!
If someone has posted this already, please disregard the redundancy. I have not been checking this site on a daily basis as of late. The draft is months away, EVERYTHING will change, and yet I have seen so many mocks intent on promoting the idea of AJ Green making sense for our Bills.
I am not questioning his skills or anything of that nature. I am not saying he might not be the most talented player on the board when we pick. I am not saying he might not be a future super star who can grab anything throw his way. All I'm saying is this: in my humble opinion, on an offense WR is the 3rd last piece of the puzzle, only ahead of TE and FB.
Here's my logic:
First off, if you don't have the rest of your team in place your stud receiver is widely underused or wasted. It seems more recently, wasted is the go to word. Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, Miles Austin, and Randy Moss are all elite level players who could barely find their names under "successful" in the 2010 NFL thesaurus. Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson are two of the best, and if they were to finish out their careers on their current teams they may never see a single playoff game. I understand the ability to make game changing catches and stretch the field is important, yet only two of the eight teams in the divisional rounds of the playoffs had a pro bowl WR. I mean I haven't heard this much hype about a WR being the real deal since...Crabtree...
Second, is what many call the Matt Millen effect. Five straight years of drafting WRs did absolutely NOTHING to help the Lions. One can argue it was his amazing ability to pick busts, however this just goes to show you that a WR's impact (even the year they drafted Megatron and Kitna had that 4000+ yard season, starting 6-2) at best is minimal. It shows year after year that the WR impact isn't as big as another impact player who can come in and be a game changer right away. Also, you have to factor in the Revis Island two times a year, make a goose egg more then likely to appear two times a year on any stat sheet.
Third, is the fact we have been here before. TO was supposed to help us get over that 7-9 hump, and while he played ok, I think this year he showed us he still has a lot left in the tank (18th in yards, 10th-t in TDs) and we all know how well that went. Lee Evans is a stud WR. He is the perfect example of a what could have been guy. Imagine his stats on the Chargers or the Colts.
Last, I have faith in Stevie. If you want to drink the Fitz or Spiller koolaid, more power to you, I haven't lost all hope that these guys might bring us to the promised land. While I don't Scuba (btw, why did that nickname lose so much ground this year) see him going up and over someone making a one handed catch a la AJ/Megatron/FitzG/Nicks, yet he his stats speak volumes (11th in total yards, 7th-t in TDs, and 5th in YAC) - why would you ever want to stifle his growth as a #1 WR?
Please do not make me hate all the blind optimists who post rants after a spot we don't need is filled by a high draft pick again. I want to be with you guys, popping imaginary bottles. Do not draft a receiver first, do not even support the notion. In the words of the great Bill Polian, “we're not playing fantasy football here.”
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There is only one major arguement
Chix has stated that they will go franchise player at pick #3. Who that will be, we will all have to wait to find out, but A.J. Green is certainly one of them.
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A few things:
Last, I have faith in Stevie. If you want to drink the Fitz or Spiller koolaid, more power to you, I haven’t lost all hope that these guys might bring us to the promised land. While I don’t Scuba (btw, why did that nickname lose so much ground this year) see him going up and over someone making a one handed catch a la AJ/Megatron/FitzG/Nicks, yet he his stats speak volumes (11th in total yards, 7th-t in TDs, and 5th in YAC) – why would you ever want to stifle his growth as a #1 WR?
This is by far your weakest argument. You made some great points about how little of an impact a big time WR can have and backed it up with good examples. But if Steve Johnson is as good as everybody thinks and or hopes he is then he will succeed no matter who we draft. Most teams line up at least two WRs on every play, they could play next to each other.
Second, is what many call the Matt Millen effect.
Well Millen only drafted WRs in the first round 3 years in a row not 5. And I doubt that if Carlos Rodgers had panned out than he would have drafted Mike Williams. Taking 1 WR in the top three 1 year hardly makes the Bills like those Lions teams.
I completely and totally agree that the Bills don’t need to take a WR in the draft. IF they were to take one then Green would be the guy. I mean they probably aren’t going to draft a WR in the 7th round that is better then Easly, Jones, Nelson, or Parrish. So if you are going to get a guy who is better then you would have to draft high. I would rather see a DT or DE of some sort but at the same time I realize that the draft is several round deep. they can address those positions later.
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by sireric on Jan 31, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think you make a great argument.
In fact, I’ll even go so far as to say you’ve severely dampened the odds of my being able to get behind picking AJ Green.
I never liked the idea to begin with, so maybe Im more inclined to be swayed towards disliking it. Either way, I think you make a strong case against AJ Green to Buffalo.
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Curious
I know it wasn’t the point of your post but since you mentioned playing against Revis twice a year it got me thinking about it. I’m not supporting a selection of Green (I’m a Dareus supporter and probably will be until we draft) BUT I have to admit that watching Green and Revis battle it out would be AWESOME!!! I woudn’t even dare to place a bet on who would win that contest.
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by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 31, 2011 2:55 PM EST reply actions
Please do not make me hate all the blind optimists who post rants after a spot we don’t need is filled by a high draft pick again.
Wait – only “blind optimists” can be rational?
I find these types of posts tiresome (and I don’t mean to pick on you specifically, KGun; yours was just the latest). The only way you should be seeing red is if Green is the pick, and then he has a Spiller-esque rookie season. Judging a draft pick the second it’s made is asinine.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 31, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions
I think KGuns
point though is that he will be disappointed if we take him despite the fact that he fully expects Green to be a great receiver. So even if he has the opposite type of rookie year that CJ had, KGun is saying he doesn’t believe we are getting the proper value at 3 – at least for a down in the dumps rebuilding franchise.
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Well then, I definitely don’t see the point of invoking the oh-so-lovely “blind optimists” term.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 31, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Brian, you mistake my point a little, when I say “blind optimist” I’m talking about the blind optimist post that pop up post season, off season, etc, where people rally behind a WE WILL BE THE BEST EVER (usually mostly in caps, you know the ones I’m talking about) posts.
I bleed red and blue when it comes to football and have ever since I was a little kid. I think we will be better next year, and the following, and so on, epically that we seem to be finally in a true rebuilding mode. I am just sick of blind rants like the ones highlighted above that detract from this sites credibility and make me hope that when I brag about how great a site we have to other team’s fans, they don’t come here and read them.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 31, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.........
We need to temper the BPA rule with need. If the BPA at our draft spot does not fill a need, then it becomes a “Luxury Pick”, like Spiller was last year. A “down in the dumps rebuilding franchise” cannot afford luxury picks, so if there’s not a player who fills a need that’s not a reach there, then trade down and stockpile some extra picks!
Spiller is NOT a luxury Pick
I can’t stand that rational. It makes no sense. Providing no serious injury Spiller should be playing past the point Fred will be effective as a starter. We have to look past one or two seasons and think further into the future.
Must disagree phaze 1
When you draft a running back that is NOT an every down back … actually ANY player that needs a most- of the -time fill- in is a luxury pick. I don’t see us feeding CJ the ball like a classic running back work horse when Freddy is not around…just don’t see it.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 1, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
hmm
I have no idea how I put a line through that.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 1, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
This is an arguement for
drafting based on need Vs BPA isn’t it?
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QB (arguably), ILB, OLB, DE, OT, TE, SS
^Those are arguably our biggest needs at the moment^ As it stands…
Unless our pick is OLB or DE, there is no position of need listed above worthy of our 1st pick. After Marcell Dareus (my personal favorite) or Von Miller (starting to warm up to the idea) or even Robert Quinn (hesitant about), the only explanation for our pick should be strict BPA. Dareus, Miller and Quinn are the only three players that represent talent-value at a position of need (don’t think Bowers/Fairley fit with us). Everyone else is just a talent-value BPA pick. At this point we’re left with trading down, selecting a very polished and athletic wide receiver, or an elite potential corner back.
Personally, I see no reason not to select AJ Green. I’d draft him over Patrick Peterson in a second, and would consider passing up Dareus to take him. Our offense is nothing to brag about at the moment and adding a WR of his talent could almost certainly give it a shot of adrenaline. In my opinion there are three primary reasons for the failure of the T.O. experiment:
1) Our O-line was in shambles due to injury.
2) Our Day 1 starting QB didn’t take enough shots when the opportunity presented itself (exacerbated by T.O.’s untimely drops)
3) Our offensive play-calling left much to be desired
To me all three of those have been fixed (point 3 to a certain extent). Our O-line is solid at many positions, and our QB takes the requisite shots down field to keep defenses honest. Our play-calling has improved, though we don’t run the ball enough. Because of this, AJ Green wouldn’t likely go to waste.
Next, covering the 3wr set of AJ Green – Steve Johnson – Lee Evans would present quite a few challenges to many of the defenses in the league. Tell me a team that could match 3 CBs worthy of covering each receiver at any one time. AJ Green’s size and hands could also come in very handy for a QB that tends to overshoot his receiver some time. His route running is also considered very polished for a soon-to-be-rookie, and his speed is very solid.
While he is not the deep threat Evans is, Green would be a very solid replacement for the aging Evans, and would likely give the Bills the opportunity to rely on Evans less as his body ages over the coming 3-4 years (unless Evans is still running fast and strong 4 years from now).
In conclusion, though AJ green is only my 2nd preferred selection for our 3rd overall pick, I salivate a la Homer Simpson thinking about the potential of a 3 wide receiver set featuring the combo of size, quickness and hands Green brings, the shiftiness Johnson has, and the blazing speed of Evans — and with Spiller in the backfield, this could be a very explosive offense.
Draft John Clay -RB- 6'1 255lbs. from Wisconsin!! Long-term complement for CJ Spiller. Round 3.
Hmmmmmmmmm………
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 31, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Too ADD
Look whos in the Superbowl, The Green Bay Packers who have arguably the best 3 WR set in the NFL, Jones, Driver and Jennings not to mention Jordie Nelson who is really not that bad at all.
While Ill agree that these WR’s alone did not get Green BAy to the superbowl they make it almost impossible to defend this teams passing ability. (Aaron Rodgers helps, in my mind he is as ELITE as they come) but these recievers ability to keep routes going while Aaron scrambles, these guys make Green Bays offense tick.
For TALENT and TALENT alone A.J. Green makes the most sense for the Bills to select with the 3rd overall pick. We cannot under estimate free agency, we don’t need superstars at our positions of need we need steadiness, we do not need a D’Brickshaw Ferguson at RT and we don’t need a Richard Seymour (in his prime) at DE we need steady veterans that get the job done nothing flashy just guys to do there part. It has been stated numerous times on this site that we can get a ILB of great value in the later rounds, were definatly not going to take a NT with the 3rd overall pick or a TE so that leaves QB as our main priority but we’ve already addressed that theres no value at that position either. So like Buddy has mentioned many time hes going to select the BPA the player that stands the chance to make the most impact right away and to me at least is Green.
And 1 more thing we’ve seen what Chan can do with WR’s we’ve seen how he demands perfection from his WR’s so just imagine a level of talent such as Greens being taught perfection by a coach like Chan imagine what Chan could do for this kids game, That what makes me like this pick, Im not set in stone on that but I will not be the least bit dissapointed if Green is our pick at 3
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by PaullyPforPrez on Feb 1, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Money
This is just a guess, and correct me if I am wrong, but do you think the Bills would be willing to pay a WR 3rd overall pick money? I know that will probably be significantly lower with the new CBA, but it will still be a pretty good amount. I only say this because everyone is talking about how great it would be to have Green, Evans, Stevie, and Roscoe together, but do you think that management will want to have that much money invested in those 4 players when it could go elsewhere? Lee $8.4 mil, Roscoe $1.25 mil with $500 roster bonus, Stevie is making $400k but this is his last year, drafting Green will probably mean not resigning Stevie.
My argument is only that I don’t know if the Bills brass will want to pay another big time receiver because of all the money we already have invested in our current ones. Unless, of course, we release one of them, which in that case why would we draft a WR in the first place?
This is just a guess, and correct me if I am wrong, but do you think the Bills would be willing to pay a WR 3rd overall pick money?
By the time draft picks will be signed, there will most likely be a CBA in place that caps rookie wages. Even if that wasn’t the case, keep in mind that the Bills, in this past decade, were willing to pay Top 5 money to an OT. As we all know OTs aren’t cheap.
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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 31, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’m saying that because they are already paying Lee Evans $8 mil and to resign Stevie next year they’re going to have to pay him good money, that would mean we would have 3 WR’s making $4 mil + per year. That is my point, not are they willing to pay 1 WR top money, are they willing to pay 3?
Lee Evans is getting paid $4.225 mil per year for the last two years of his contract (according to rotoworld). Steve Johnson has only produce for one season so it remains unknown how much he will get. AJ Green would also be a younger replacement and a legit #1 superstar receiver (potentially). I think OBD would be willing to part with Evans and draft Green if Evans’ price tag is too high when he reaches FA again.
I don’t think money will play a big issue in whether or not Green gets drafted by the bills.
Draft John Clay -RB- 6'1 255lbs. from Wisconsin!! Long-term complement for CJ Spiller. Round 3.
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 31, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
That is my point, not are they willing to pay 1 WR top money, are they willing to pay 3?
good point
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it is a good pointi
ironically, it is one of the same arguments I make for staying married to the same person :-)
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by Joe P. on Jan 31, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahahahahahahahah rec'd!
That is great
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Joe, are you trading in a forty for two twenties? my new hero! ;)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jan 31, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
thats why we take him
i think we should go for it. lee is getting up there plus he is a speed wr. they dont last to long really. i would love to see aj green in buff. when he turns out to be great for someone else its going to be too late for shoulda woulda coulda. plus cj is not a bust just yet. darren mcfadden wasnt that great in his rookie season either but he is pretty good right now
green will be an amazing player
and i would love him on this team
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I agree,
but you didn’t say if you would take him at #3. Throw some opinions out there. Here is one of mine. I would love A.J. Green with the number 3 pick. It makes the most sense, the only way I don’t take him at #3 is if he is not there. My conflict is I also want a choice at one of the best OT in this class. So I would be hard pressed to follow up Green with an OT in the second. I see this as an awesome start for our offense, but it does nothing for our defense until the third round. Can we really afford waiting until the third round to address defense. Will we sacrafice one of the better OT in the draft in the second round to go defense (MLB). I guess I have that ugly need Vs BPA conflict still floating around in my head. Interested in your thoughts.
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It's kind of simple
Green TECHNICALLY would be thought of as a wasted pick, luxury pick, etc. because we have so many other needs and WR is not one of them. However, he is the BPA and for a team that lacks any elite players on both sides of the ball it’d be great to get at least one elite guy rather than settle for an average player that fills a need or reach for a guy to fill a need a la Whitner.
The same arguement can be made then for the 2nd round as well. Like you said if we can get one of the best tackle prospects in the 2nd round should we? Well we do have a need there and we get to take our pick from the cream of the crop but now we are putting off our defense again. That’s ok, we can still find guys in FA or in the draft next year. What we need first is elite playmaking impact talent, you know game changers. Then we can focus on filling needs.
I would not be upset if the Bills took AJ Green the only other pick I’d rather see other than AJ Green would be Patrick Peterson, because CB is now a bigger need than WR, and both guys IMO will be elite playmaking talent guys.
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by panekattack on Feb 1, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
green is worth the 3rd pick
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 3, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure how the BPA grading works but I assume there are many players of equal grade at the top of the draft. We chose that ‘difference maker’ with the #9 pick last year, and it didn’t help much because our line still isn’t strong enough. I will be very disappointed with a WR at pick #3 for the same reason.
Trade down, get an extra 2nd rounder, choose (1) LB, (2) OT, (2B) TE, the rest Defense.
Yes, Green is worth #3
I believe Green is worth the #3 pick. Green to me is the overall BPA, but I personally would prefer Peterson if he’s there because he would be the BPA in a position of need. The only other way I would pick Green over Peterson is to use that pick as leverage to package a trade deal with Lee Evans to another team behind us in the draft who desperately needs a #1 WR, ala Cleveland to help McCoy so that we could get back in the first round. Then sitting at Cleveland’s spot at #6. Then I would be negotiating a deal to trade down further with say Dallas at #9 who would be looking to pick Peterson (if carolina goes fairley, denver picks bowers) or the next best CB in Prince Amukamara (Peterson wont last that long). If Dallas is interested in Prince, I would trade to their spot at #9 and pick Von Miller if he’s still available past Arizona at #5.
It would take some biguns
to do that IMO. do i see nix being that gutsy? Nope. He doesn’t strike me to be the aggressive type when it comes to the draft. But even if we couldnt get a deal done with Dallas it still couldn’t hurt if we picked green because all i would do then is trade further and further down to stock pile on as many picks as possible.

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