Buddy Nix Approval Poll: January 2011
by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2011 8:45 AM EST
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PrintAt the start of every month, we're going to poll the readers of Buffalo Rumblings on their state of mind regarding the chief decision-makers of the Buffalo Bills. This is your poll to state your pleasure, or lack thereof, with GM Buddy Nix. Here are some stories Nix has been heavily involved with over the last month.
- Signed to-be free agent linebacker Shawne Merriman to a two-year deal with $2.5M guaranteed, $5.25M per-year average, and possibly worth as much as $9.25M annually
- Team is about $2M annually apart in failing contract negotiations with to-be free agent safety Donte Whitner
- Team will wait until a new CBA is in place to negotiate with several to-be free agents, including linebacker Paul Posluszny
- Placed on IR: Lee Evans, Shawn Nelson, Kraig Urbik, Dwan Edwards, Reggie Torbor, Antonio Coleman
- Added to roster: Scott Chandler, Erik Pears, Chad Rinehart, Colin Brown, Kellen Heard, Pierre Woods
Previous approval polls
36% approval Hiring Date (30% disapproval)
73% approval February 2010 (5% disapproval)
79% approval April 2010 (4% disapproval)
76% approval May 2010 (7% disapproval)
77% approval August 2010 (6% disapproval)
77% approval September 2010 (5% disapproval)
27% approval October 2010 (49% disapproval)
55% approval November 2010 (23% disapproval)
77% approval December 2010 (5% disapproval)
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I voted approve. He seems to be competent at doing the in-season things that GM’s do. What more can you say? Awesome things just don’t happen during the season. This item should probably go on hiatus until March.
Other than that he seems to be able to bring in players that fit the mold Gailey is looking for and they seem to work well together. That’s a key to beginning a successful re-build. Let’s hope things don’t get acrimonious.
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
Only have a couple of minutes now.
I’ll start with talent evaluation and the 2010 draft.
Most effective player is a 6th round pick Moats with three sacks and is totally lost against the run. First rounder Spiller averages a whopping 18 yards per game on the ground, but at least beats out Fitz in rushing yards by 17 yards. Second round Troup has potential, but only that, he plays a hard position and I’ll give him benefit of the doubt… for now. Maybe Carrington too, weak at point of attack given his size. Rest of draft was injuriies (not Nix’s fault) and waste (like Wang).
In the late rounds, you look for good athletes with raw football skills, (like Bell) or good football players who don’t have the best athletic skills (Fitz is a great example). They don’t always pan out, but at least you have a chance. Which is Wang? Or was Nix looking to mine the potential one billion person Chinese market?
Are any of those options actually bad?
1 Billion Chinese people buying Bills gear makes the bottom line rather pretty.
Good Point
Wonder if Buff. made any $$ off of wang?
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
No.
A sport that the Chinese don’t play or understand and a player that the Bills didn’t even market.
by twoeightnine on Jan 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
you do realize
you used examples (Bell and Fitz) who both did absolutely nothing their first year in the league and took many years to become even decent starters with the jury still out on both of them as examples to damn Nix’s picks for not being effective in their first year?
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
Describing your philosophy of how late round players should be drafted provides zero evidence of Wang’s status as a “waste.”
Late round tackles almost never get on the field their rookie seasons. Wang has managed to survive various roster cuts, so obviously the management sees something they like him.
You are blaming Nix for Spiller's productivity?
Thats more of coach thing……………he’s the one who is supposed to put the players in the best position to succeed.
You can be upset with the pick, but the productivity isnt really anything Nix can control.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 5, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
It was obvious from the start of preseason that he goes down on first contact. Coaching isn’t going to change this.
His few important plays this year, mostly returns and receiving, occurred in space. His good punt returns were pure speed. I believe that Spiller can be a receiving threat out of the backfield, almost a gimme if isolated on a LB, that will be Gailey’s job in the offseason. But that certainly isn’t worth a #11 overall.
Disapprove
Neglecting to draft a tackle early in the draft killed us all year long. The free agents he brought had a minimal impact as well as the rookie class. Im willing to give the rookies some time to develop but I was not too impressed from what I have seen thus far
really?
I would say defense would have been the killer. Look at Bulaga this year, he was average at best. Tackle was not the issue this year, Fitz handled the line weakness well, Brohm did do a good job exploiting this weakness though.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
by billsoferie on Jan 5, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Average at best?
The Keystone Cops that we ran out there make him look like a stud. I’d take one “average at best” RT over having to rotate 20 guys in every week.
by twoeightnine on Jan 5, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
You are correct, the defense was equally as bad. However, our offense has been so bad for so many years that we think a mediocre offensive showing is good. We only averaged 17 points a game and slightly over 300 net yards a game. Thats not going to win you too many games
by MarkyMarkO on Jan 5, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tackle was not the issue this year,
Huh? Offensive tackle was far and away our biggest offensive issue. Our RTs were a laughing stock and our LT was overmatched against any defensive player who was a quality opponent. Our edge was giving up pressure all year long nevermind the penalties and turnovers that resulted from getting burned.
Fitz handled the line weakness well
This is true, but everyone seemingly wants a rookie first rounder. How are we going to play him behind Bell and the RT team?
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
i dont think our group was great,
But Bulaga had his troubles and would have made little difference in the outcome of any games. Spiller still has the opportunity to succeed.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Approve
I don’t remember the last time we had so much activitiy during the season with players for reason of upgrade. Most impressed with Urbik. Again, though, the honeymoon is over.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Maybe because he completely failed to address issues (add talent) in the offseason?
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
How did this year really play out any differently than expected? They tried out players on the roster to see if there was something there. Nix brought in a few stopgaps in the offseason at positions where we didn’t really have a potential match or rookies were penciled in as starters. Sounds like a good plan for year 1 of a rebuild project to me. They were blindsided by Butler’s retirement and had trouble there, I know. It does seem odd to bring in those scrubs from Georgia Tech, but I guess if you’re augmenting your line mid-season it makes sense to get guys familiar with what the Head Coach is looking for.
I just don’t see the big complaint here.
Year 1 – Evaluate organization and talent, bring in “bridge” players with knowledge of the systems you’re implementing and hope there is transfer of knowledge to other rookies and players on the roster. Purge players not in future plans. Check!
Year 2 – Purge more players that aren’t a “fit” for your systems, hopefully with expiring contracts to minimize dead money. By now GM / HC should have agreement on identity of football team and draft / bring in free agents that match that style of play. This is where we’re getting to now, and at least to mean it seems Nix and Gailey see eye to eye on what we’re looking for and what we need going forward.
This draft offseason is where we should see bigger gains as far as talent is concerned. I have no doubt in my mind though that the team we have now is more talented than last years team. It’s just a long climb through a dark staircase until we finally have enough talent to start winning consistently. I, for one, until this season started, had no idea the cupboard was as bare as it was. I think it would have been foolish for them to bring expensive free agents or anything like that in until they had a better idea of just what they had as a team.
It might take longer to rebuild this way but Nix’s best talent approach to the draft will eventually pan out, at least as creating a talented football team with depth. Teams that consistently draft on a need basis get stuck in decade long losing streaks.
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
How did this year really play out any differently than expected?
This is the argument that KILLS me. My expectations of performance have very little to do with whether Nix did a good job or not.
Plain and simple, this team is not better (talent wise) based on Nix’s personnel decisions.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
This argument KILLS me though!
this team is not better (talent wise) based on Nix’s personnel decisions.
We started from scratch, Nix’s goal was not to get better than last year, it was to tear down last year and start over. And so far, there really isn’t enough to make a judgment, but as of now I trust and like what I am seeing from the foundation. From the coaching selection he made (yes, if you approve of Gailey then you should give all the kudos to Nix for hiring him) to his active role in-season to his straight forward speak to his attitude.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Poz. I think we are of similar thoughts. I really think the best action of the rebuild happens this offseason (hopefully not a year long offseason) …. They know who they like. They know who they don’t. Contracts expiring… good stuff for the Buffalo Bills :)
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
yea, I understand where Jason and others are coming from but like you said, this is what I expected all along and its part of the three year plan. The most painful year is over, Nix now knows where he needs pieces, where he has pieces, what kind of team we want to run and what our divisional opponents are doing. 2011 is where the meat of what Nix was brought in to do is going to happen, where he will make or break his career in Buffalo, not this last draft and not the third year, which should be culmination of his work and a final push type deal.
Look at what Nix and us fans learned this year that none of us could have possibly known last year and that has put us in a much better position to draft and sign players better:
We have a stud nose tackle in Kyle Williams. Of course, Torrell Troup seems like a bad pick now but who among us at the time didn’t think we absolutely needed a NT? Nix now has that evaluation under his belt and can make better personnel decisions.
We have a competent QB who can move the chains and the offense. Who among us knew that Ryan Fitzpatrick would throw 20+ touchdowns at this time last year? Instead of going for Jimmy Clausen or trading up for Tebow Nix actually was smarter than us and waited to see what he had at QB. Now he can draft accordingly if he wants a guy to ride the pine behind Fitz or if he wants to roll with Fitz.
We have a young stud at WR. Who among us thought we had a 1,000 yard, 10 touchdown receiver on the roster?
All of these unexpecteds even point to giving Nix a pass for not taking a tackle, which we obviously now need. The man went BPA last draft because he needed to see what he had and really couldn’t go any other way.
From here on out Nix is armed with knowledge and understanding of his team. He will be judge far more critically and harshly by me this coming season. For now, Nix has done the right things in my eyes.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
OK, then when are you going to start holding Nix responsible to “show us the baby”, because so far, all the positivies about the team you listed above (Fitz, K. Williams, and Stevie) were not his doing.
Not one move that Nix made in the offseason or during the season has paid substantial dividends, he has had marginal successes in Moats and Dwan Edwards, but that is it. Mostly he has made puzzling personnel decissions (Green, Kelsay, Merriman, retaining Modrack, etc.).
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I hear what both you and K are saying. I just think you are both way too hard on Nix for his first season out.
At the end of last year we were sold on zero players that this roster held, outside of Fred Jackson, Wood, Levitre, and Schobel. Looking back no other players jump out as true starters in the league.
The FA class was bad. Outside of a very small handful of players there was marginal or ‘old’ talent. So where does this massive influx of players come from?
Yes, the draft hasn’t produced any instant stars. Do we throw Nix under the bus for it? Or do we actually do the fair thing and not judge the draft class until two years from now (after they complete their third season)?
I find it difficult to say he did nothing when they brought in a slew of players, discovered some players who should add substantial depth, and did everything plausible to get better as the season wore on.
Much like poz this will be the off season that the team should step up and begin to show improvement from. Another FA pool and another draft to bring in players who fit the system and to replace those you were uncertain of during the last draft.
If the run defense is just as poor next year, the turn overs are just as bad, and our players look entirely over matched against our division rivals then I’d say Nix completely missed the boat. Right now, there just isn’t enough to say that he’s been bad (to be fair, not enough to say he’s been good). What we can say is he’s been active and decisive to bring players in once they determine someone isn’t going to work moving forward.
OK, then when are you going to start holding Nix responsible to "show us the baby"
I thought I answered that in my post when I said
From here on out Nix is armed with knowledge and understanding of his team. He will be judged far more critically and harshly by me this coming season.
I understand where your coming from Jason but I think we knew this year was going to be brutal and as expected it was. Before we can build the structure we had to tear down the old one and evaluate the plot itself. Done. In the process we found that some of the walls were sturdy and that there was a million dollar chandelier (Kyle Williams).
2011 is when I start becoming critical or more praise worthy, when the construction actually begins in earnest. This draft is the one I will truly judge him on as well as this off-season as a whole. In 2012 is when I truly will look to place a final judgment on him as a GM. Its a three year rebuild, I give him till year three for conclusionary judgment on his abilities and starting this year the grace period is over. Now he shows his stuff.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
OK
When Nix is given sufficient time to make team better or worse! You expect Nix to turn team around in one yr? Then your confused. What coach was banging down door to coach in Buffalo? I’ll answer NO ONE! Wonder why?
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz
The TD numbers were great, but look at the rest of his metrics. He was still one of the bottom 5-10 full time starters in the league. The offense was still mostly putrid outside of the handful of TD spurts.
Your last argument is bogus in my opinion. How could he not know what he had on the roster last offseason? He was with the organization for a year at that point and there were numerous resources he could use to evaluate what he had. That doesn’t include what appears to be a very poor job of talent acquisition and evaluating offseason moves and non-moves. How has any of that been good?
Nix went BPA to see what he already had and couldn’t any other way? What? He wasn’t handcuffed with any pick, nor does taking a scat back then look like a good idea at all. How could he not know what this team truly needed, because that’s what you seem to be implying??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your last argument is bogus in my opinion. How could he not know what he had on the roster last offseason? He was with the organization for a year at that point and there were numerous resources he could use to evaluate what he had.
Again, couldnt disagree more. There is a difference between being a bit role man and being in charge. When your in charge you truly evaluate who is contributing to an organization so much better and fuller than when your just a role man.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Come on poz!
Why don’t all new GM’s do this then? He had plenty of resources and the ability to evaluate the players who have played here. Spending an entire season, which also delays the rebuilding process, to evaluate players who have not been successful in the past is crazy.
We needed a major rebuilld to take place immediately. Instead its been delayed apparently, and there still doesn’t seem to be much of a plan in place.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
come on K!
you know how bad a situation Buddy walked into. Nobody wanted to coach here! Nobody! We offered Shanny 10 mil a year and he said no way. This team had to be blown up, completely, and Buddy needed a year to evalute. As i noted below, I think he spent a lot of time making moves to clean house.
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
and if your not sure what im referring to
its the response to your comment directly below this
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously it was a bad situation
That doesn’t mean he needed to keep it a bad situation. The team needed to be blown up, but wasn’t. We’re still in the midst of needing a player house cleaning. I just can’t agree with needing to evaluate players that have been around for so long. Its not rocket science here!
As I’ve said, this offseason is huge. Nix needs to prove he’s cvapable of getting the job done AND actually making moves that aren’t obvious to get this team turned around. He can’t waste another year evaluating the failures we already have.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Failures In House
And Nix would be smart to just gut the roster? We have no talent across the board. What do you want him to cut? Our best is close to inept. Nix is working with nothing and I for one can see that.
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
From Buffalo Sports Daily:
When you look at the Bills 53-man roster for the season finale at New York this past Sunday, only 30 names that appear on the roster were here at the end of last season. For those fond of math, that’s only about 56% of the 2009 Bills.
by stetzwebs on Jan 6, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When you add a dozen or so guys due to injuries
Of course the roster is going to look drastically different. That’s hardly the point though. The problem is with the inferior players who keep playing major roles with this team.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
My argument is no that the players aren’t inferior, it’s that he hasn’t overhauled a lot of the roster.
If the Bills were healthy at the end of the year, 17 of the 22 players who would have been starters were holdovers.
Those being: Fitz, Jackson, McIntyre/Parrish (counted them as one, depending on formation), Evans, Johnson, Bell, Levitre, Hang, Wood, Williams, Stroud, Poz, Kelsay, Whitner, Byrd, McGee, McKelvin.
The new starters: whoever the RT is, David Martin, Dwan Edwards, Andra Davis/Akin Ayodele, Moats/Torbor/Merriman.
That’s not exactly turnover, especially when Brad Butler is probably still your starting RT if he doesn’t retire, Aaron Schobel is your starting OLB if he doesn’t retire and Shawn Nelson is your TE if he steps up and takes the job.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Plan
It takes longer than one yr. to judge this rebuild IMHO. Or are we a few players away?
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
You can judge something whenever you want
The moves he’s made in one year can certainly be judged. Is it fair to judge a player or move in one year? Yes. Is it fair to call a player or move a total bust after one year? Probably not.
That’s the difference I and others and opining on here.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 6, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why And When
Nix and Chan weren’t on anybody’s radar regarding Coaching and managing anywhere. Why you expect them to raise the dead? Don’t give people more credit than they deserve. No big name GM or HC were banging down doors at OBD. With that considered results make sense.
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
But they didn't "tear it down"
They left many of these failed players in place. Starting from scratch is what Miami did a few years back….cutting all the dead weight and adding a lot of new players. The Bills hardly did that at all.
And what foundation are you talking about? Fitz, a scat back and a couple of solid interior OL??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And they left their primary talent evaluator/scout in place.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
True
But different people he answers to!
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
wow, I totally disagree
Trent Edwards was gone after two games (third round pick, face of the future of the old regime), Marshawn Lynch was traded by mid-season (1st round top ten pick, future of the RB position for the old regime), took a hard stance on Aaron Schobel either returning with full commitment or staying away (best defensive player for the old regime), made Aaron Maybin a regular inactive and now have openly said he is on the outside looking in (1st round pick, future of the pass rush for the old regime), they displaced Lee Evans as the no. 1 receiver and made Roscoe Parrish a focal point of the offense (the no.1 target for the old regime and their favorite whipping boy who couldnt see a ball in his direction ever), they scrapped the old Tampa 2 and put in place a 3-4 (replaced the old regimes defense with their own), the defense was littered with mainstays who were completely new in Akin Ayodele, Andra Davis, Dwan Edwards, and Reggie Torbor, they scrapped all the old shabby backups who got playing time with the old regime by either benching them or sending them packing (Kirk Chambers, Keith Ellison).
They did indeed “tear it down” K, and we are about to find out just how little they care to play Terrence McGee, if they are going to jettison Donte, if they are going to scrap the Demetrius Bell experiment and much more.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Next response....haha
Spending all offseason preparing Edwards for the starting job and Lynch for a significant role and then dumping them a few weeks in is not a good thing. That’s terribly mismanaging your team. The reps those two got could have been spread elsewhere and it was painfully obvious all offseason that those two needed to go. Why should he get praise for those moves?
Players like Maybin, Evans, Parrish and whover else played their way into or out of the lineup. That was nothing Nix did.
They scrapped the Tampa 2 for the 3-4, which did show some semblance of a plan, but then kept many of the same players in place. They added one played of note to the new D (Edwards) and a solid enough player in Davis, but really did nothing else to transition to the new D for this past season. Sorry, but that’s not tearing it apart and building anew. That’s like saying you’ll fully finish your basement, but instead just buying a used couch, small area rug and a 30 gallon fishtank to throw down there.
Wasn’t Ellison on the roster until an injury?
If this team is truly going to scrap everything and rebuild properly, they can’t keep half-arsing it and doing it slowly little by little.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hahah
we’ve had the same convo continuing through different comments and responses. I guess its all in the eye of the beholder because what you see as keeping the same I see as tearing it down haha.
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
again, totally disagree
And what foundation are you talking about? Fitz, a scat back and a couple of solid interior OL??
We know what offense we want to run, we’ve had 16 games to tinker it and same for the defense. George Edwards knows what players he wants as does Gailey. The whole point of a foundation is its something to build on, that there is nothing actually erected yet – as you said a couple of solid interior OL, a scat back and Fitz. This is why judgment comes this year, not last.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
2 Things:
First, related to Poz’s post above:
Why does Buddy Nix get a free pass this year?
Did Bills fans get to go to Ralph Wilson Stadium this year for free? I didn’t hear anything about that…
Did the NFL afree to stop keeping score this year? I didn’t hear anything about that…
Why does anyone get a “pass” on a full season or year of their job?
Second, this comment is in general, and not directed to Poz, but:
I think people are looking at this pretty strangely, this whole approving/disapproving of Nix, IMO. It’s like, as long as they can relate to the decisions made, it’s ok. These arguments drive me nuts:
“Who did you want them to go out and get?”
“Who were they supposed to draft in that spot that would have been better?”
“How much success could anyone have with that roster?”
We are evaluating our GM based on how he is doing in comparison to other GMs! Not how much better they would do than the regular fan! Just because I can’t always tell you what they should have done to perform better, does not mean that I approve of what the job performance!
When you compare the CEO of a company of a stock you own, do you compare them on how they performed vs how the stockholder could have performed? NO WAY. You compare the performance against other CEOs in the industry! You compare the stock price against other stock prices of similar companies!
Look, at the end of the day I can’t always put my finger on “what Buddy Nix should have done”….all I know is that I see the GMs of other teams improve their teams a heck of a lot more and quicker than what is being shown. Thus, I can’t approve of the performance.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Jan 5, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
everything you said is all fine and good
at the end of the day, I judge my GM on what he is doing for my team. And I think one year to say hes a bad GM is outrageous. Look no further than Chan having a preposterously low approval rating on this site in October and then a 90+% only two months later. This is why judging these guys now is just silly. So far I like what I see, but as I’ve been trying to say, how the heck can we judge him before this upcoming off-season?
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say he was a bad GM...
…I just voted that, as of this point, I disapprove of the job Buddy Nix has done as GM of the Buffalo Bills.
BUT, I realize that rebuilding a football team is difficult. I realize it can take time. Just because I don’t like the results so far (or the rebuilding strategy so far) does not mean that I am not willing to wait a few years to see if some of these moves that I currently disagree with turn out to be great.
I didn’t say I want him fired. I’m willing to wait and give Mr Nix some time to prove he is doing the right things.
But, so far, I don’t believe Buddy Nix is doing as good of a job as a different GM could do if he was in the same position. I question decisions he has made. But I’m not calling him “bad” after one year on the job.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Jan 5, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
ah I see
you are saying your “disapproving” but reserving judgment. I guess I’m “approving” but reserving judgment haha
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
lol – right. we’re just opposites in that regard
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by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, yep, that's basically it!
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Jan 5, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just because I don’t like the results so far (or the rebuilding strategy so far) does not mean that I am not willing to wait a few years to see if some of these moves that I currently disagree with turn out to be great.
and I think the opposite way.
I can’t disagree with his moves (well maybe Kelsay) without seeing the end result – I can see a plan in place and whether that plan works out remains to be seen – but I can’t disapprove with Nix now because we’re not winning – I think all of us knew that winning wasn’t going to happen right away and that this was going to take time.
i’m goign to approve because I see a revamp of a defense in process, an offensive mind that seems to do very well with junk talent and a different culture at OBD that hasn’t existed in a long time.
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but while you wait for the end result....
I’m currently sitting through the below-average product! We’re you at the Dolphins game? We’re you at the Jets game? Because those were def NOT fun football games to attend…let alone spend my hard-earned money on.
So I can’t really approve of the GM of a team where I’m just not enjoying what I pay for currently….right? I mean, that’s taking a more literal approach to this, but maybe if I had a guy like an Andrew Luck to saitisfy the “dream of the future” side of expectations, it would be easier to sit through the growing pains and bottoming out. But….
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Jan 5, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
You could have gotten Bilichick, Pioli, Parcells, Newsome – etc… this offseason and we’d still have a below average product because of hte lack of talent this team has
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Parcells took a 1-15 Dolphins team
and turned them into the AFC East champs with an 11-5 record.
Again, the “whys” and “hows” are not my problem. They are Buddy Nix’s problem. But that is his job. I don’t care if he has to invent a new offensive set like the Dolphins did with the “wildcat”…..the good guys get the job done, however they need to.
(now please conveniently forget that Miami stunk this year! haha)
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Jan 5, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Again, the "whys" and "hows" are not my problem. They are Buddy Nix’s problem. But that is his job. I don’t care if he has to invent a new offensive set like the Dolphins did with the "wildcat"…..the good guys get the job done, however they need to.
against maybe the easiest schedule imaginable for them and this year was probably the hardest schedule imaginable.
that definitely comes into consideration doesn’t it?
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
But who's saying he's a bad GM?
Can’t we disapprove of the job he’s done and disagree with the moves? Doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around here.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No.
Once you admit to disappointment with anyone in the organization you automatically believe that they are crap and will never amount to anything. It’s true with Spiller and it’s true with Nix.
Nix
My opinion is Nix was best we could get. Is he competent? Probably not. Welcome to my nightmare! Bill’s 10 plus yrs. and still counting!
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
This isn’t true at all. There were many people we could have gotten for the GM gig. Nix is far from incompetent, seeing as how he’s had a lot of experience scouting players, and was part of the SD rebuild that made them annual contenders. Thinking he’s not competent is…well, incompetence.
Do tell.
Who were these many people they could have gotten? They interviewed two in house candidates and picked Nix.
Just because you can scout that doesn’t mean you can general manage.
by twoeightnine on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
are we sure about this?
Until they bring in a franchise type QB, or at least try to, are we sure what O will be run going forward? Or is this O built for Fitz to succeed? I think its the latter.
How can Edwards know what players he wants when they can’t even decide which scheme to stick with? Re-signing a Kelsay, using Williams to his strengths and the use of zone and man coverages leads me to believe they still are trying to figure things out. If they knew what they wanted to run, then run it! Its not like the talent is here to use the 4-3 succesfully….M
That’s not building a foundation to me. That’s searching around for the plot to hopefully build on.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cool
So one yr. re-build plan, thats doomed before it starts regarding Bill’s team. Bring something new!
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Who were the "upgrades" during the season?
Urbik maybe. Who else was for reason of upgrading the team, not filing a roster spot? And don’t give me Merriman, you can’t call him anything yet.
by twoeightnine on Jan 5, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
For sake of arguement
I’ll use Matt’s terminology.
I really liked the in-season additions Nix made.
Mansfield Wrotto was an upgrade over what we had on the roster, Chad Rienhart was an upgrade over what we had on the roster. Kraig Urbik was an upgrade over what we had on the roster. These are reasons why they were brought in. Will they be on the team next year, who knows, who cares, they were upgrades over what we had on the roster and got us through the season without getting our QB killed.
In season addition sounds better for sake of arguement.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
When you are able to “upgrade” your roster during the season with guys who are street free agents, that might be a problem.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
All players on this roster were his decision.
His and Chan’s. They’re are the ones who set the final roster.
I’m still confused as to where everyone thinks this influx of players was supposed to come from. The FA class was weak. We got a boat load of rookies (both drafted and undrafted alike) and a few key FA pickups to help the defensive scheme change. Other than that, what was he supposed to do to get new players? A majority of them were going to be left over from previous regimes regardless of what he did.
True
If this is sign of FO moves going forward, I’m worried. Were trying to build team via waiver wire etc.. Sounds like a desperate franchise. Trying to overcome ownerships downfalls. IE not willing to open chkbook. Ralph’s last yrs. to prove to me he wants to bring winning back to Buffalo.
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
I really liked the in-season additions Nix made. He still needs to prove his worth on draft day.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
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Specifically what “in-season” aquisitions?
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
When you’re dealing with in-season free agent acquisitions and waiver claims guys like Pierre Woods, Akin Ayodele, Mansfield Wrotto, Kraig Urbik, and Shawne Merriman are solid adds.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
This offers little substance to the thread, but i've wanted to ask it all season, whenever I see this photo...
Don’t the three of them look like they’re in some sort of scene from the office?
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 5, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions
Haven't you heard?
Dunder Mifflin is being replaced by One Bills Drive starting next season.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Brandon is clearly Michael Scott.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
While we're off topic...
This post from SB Nation is the funniest thing I’ve seen on the internet in a while. Or at least since Big Daddy Drew’s last column.
I voted disapprove
I’m still failing to see what the plan is. Hopefully, over the next few months that will come into focus, but right now I’m not liking what I’ve seen.
His first draft was crucial to getting this team on the fast track to a quality rebuilding. Instead, its looking like he swung and missed. Right now, this draft class just doesn’t look very good. When the 6th round pick is looking like the best player, you haven’t done a great job. Hopefully, this class will be a slow starter and come on strong.
This is an absolutely huge offseason for him and the rest of the front office. They cannot have another clunker, both in FA and the draft.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Are we missing something? How can people vote “approve”, blind faith?
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yes, obviously those people that approve are doing so because they fail to see what a terrible first year of being the GM he’s had. Either that, or they see some of the mistakes he’s made, but don’t want to jump to conclusions about his first draft class and are able see the beginnings of a solid rebuild with a plan in place.
So since you obviously approve.
What is the plan? What are the beginnings of a solid rebuild?
As Kurupt said:
I’m still failing to see what the plan is.
And don’t give me. “Build through the draft, not spend money on free agents.” That’s GM-speak. I want the actual plan that you are able to see.
by twoeightnine on Jan 5, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Why would they have to publish it?
People can “see” it.
by twoeightnine on Jan 5, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Not after one year
While there are definitely clues that also us to speculate, you can’t make sweeping long term generalizations about an football executive’s long term plans based on such a small sample size.
Who said I approve?
My willingness to accept that there are intelligent people who see things in a way I don’t without resorting to “blind faith” has nothing to do with whether I approve of the job he’s done. I voted “Don’t know” because I agree with some things, but think he could have done more to infuse talent on the team.
"Build through the draft, not spend money on free agents
It would have been foolish in year 1 of a rebuild of what is obviously a mostly talent devoid team to spend big money on marquis free agents, don’t you think? Especially because to get them here we’d have to pay a premium over more desirable destinations. Was there any marquis names out there this year anyway? Peppers already compained his heart out about playing in a 3-4 defense….
I think the level of signings they made were about what they should have been – placeholders until young draftees are ready to go, and reclamation projects like Merriman. What did you really expect? If the Bills had brought in Peppers where would we be? 6-10 whoop de do and 3 years / 50+ million dollars later he walks, are we really any better?
You should get what you want a little more this year as far as free agency. And we’ll get a real look at the 2010 draft class this coming season. Also, maybe/possibly Aaron Maybin will decide to use steroids :)
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
I, also, voted disapprove. I voted disapprove on Chan’s poll, as well.
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@BrianGalliford
by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I voted approve on Gailey… But I am “self-admitting” blind Bills faith on that one.
Gailey at least worked some magic with the offense (Fitzpatrick), there was some life there towards the end of the season.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Changing your mind already, Brian? I thought you voted “Not Sure” for Gailey? ;-)
I don’t blame you one bit for voting disapprove. I just found these arguments to be… odd. Maybe I’m not understanding them correctly. (I voted not sure – hate what I see on the field, love his refreshing honesty.)
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Haha. Well, I didn’t vote approve, anyway.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 5, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with your sentiment even though I voted ‘Approve’. Mainly I think more than last year’s draft and free agency period, this is a critical year. Now that Gailey and Nix have a good idea of how the players we have fit into the future of the Buffalo Bills (or don’t) we should get a clearer picture of what the plan is going forward. With cuts, the next draft, free agency and our last draft class having a year plus of NFL conditioning and strength training under their belts I think we will see what Nix is trying to achieve. If not, he has failed.
As far as the 2010 draft class it isn’t looking too good, but many articles clearly show that you can’t judge a draft class after 1 year, or 2 or even 3. The 4th year after a draft is the best time to accurately judge draft classes. This takes into account players at WR / DT usually taking 3 or more years to establish themselves. So, I chose to make a note of it, but still maintained Nix is doing OK in my book.
So, as far as approve / disapprove on a month by month basis, Nix has my approval because he seemed to do the things he needed to do, and any GM does during the season. He also seems to have a good relationship with Gailey and they appear to be of the same mind as far as the type of players they are looking for. Now we can wait and see what happens this offseason to get a clearer picture of the Bills direction going forward.
I’m taking an ‘Innocent until proven guilty’ approach.
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
Agreed
Disapprove of results regarding W/L record. This is the Buffalo Bills’s and no coach worth mentioning applied. Why the animosity towards only coach wanting to take job? they’ve done more with less than I expected. That said they’re sadly lacking but is that their fault? I think its deeper than that. Gonna take time for this franchise to get back to winning. Certainly more than a yr. Bottom line our new coach is what he is, only dude willing to coach Bill’s.
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
DISAPPROVE
His job is to add/retain talent on this team.
Let’s look at what he did in the offseason last year:
Free Agent additions:
Signed Cornell Green to be the starting RT
Signed Joe Klopfenstein to (never made the roster)
Signed Andra Davis to start at LB (only started 4 games, played in 6)
Signed Dwan Edwards to start on the DL
Signed Chad Jackson (never made the roster)
Signed Walter Mendenhall (never made the roster)
Signed Regie Torbor (didn’t really provide anything but depth)
Signed some other camp fodder that never made the roster
Made some good free agent signings (Donald Jones, David Nelson, Joique Bell, etc) after the draft.
Draft:
VERY unproductive 1st year class.
1 – Spiller (underproduced, was unable to come in and be the impact player we should expect from a RB selected this early)
2 – Troupe (only rotational DT, had only 23 trackles/ 11 solo)
3 – Carrington (only 9 games; 8 tackles)
4 – Easley (hurt)
5 – Moats (played very well at times, so far the shining star from this draft class, but isn’t probably as good as we make him out to be – only 33 tackles, 2.5 sacks)
5 – Wang (no production/hurt)
6 – Batten (hurt)
Other:
Signed Kelsay to a contract extension (ughhh)
Claimed Urbick of waivers (I like this move)
Claimed Merriman of waivers (colossal failure, damaged goods, paid him remaining contract)
Signed Merriman (I like this move, moderate risk, high reward kind of guy)
Failed to get contracts on Whitner (can’t blame him here), Poz, and Florence.
And don’t tell me I can’t evaluate players that are injured, Nix/Gailey were supposed by have a great strength/conditioning program, doesn’t seem to have panned out that way.
I am sure I left stuff out as I tried to rush throught this, overall he has been a MAJOR failure in Buffalo so far. Nix has not made this team better, to the contrary. He has had one of the most unproductive draft classes I can remember, especially when you consider how devoid this team is in terms of talent
He said he would address to O-line last offseason, then proceded to add Green. That one still burns me.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Claimed Merriman of waivers (colossal failure, damaged goods, paid him remaining contract)
Signed Merriman (I like this move, moderate risk, high reward kind of guy)
You dont like that we picked him up midway thru the season but you liked that we signed him now? Well without picking him up thru waivers theres no way we sign him now. I dont see how you view claiming him for 8 games as a “colossal failure/damaged goods” then when we sign him to a 2 year deal and you say you like the move.
Lets Go Buff a lo!!!
Merriman is one of few moves I think is good.
But Nix did overpay. Was there any mention of an out in case of continuation of the injury?They will have to make a decision by the end of next training camp, if Merriman ends up on IR next year because of the same thing, another nail in the coffin.
A lot of his contract is incentive based.
So if he doesnt play… then he wont be making as much.
Lets Go Buff a lo!!!
Making Lemons out of Lemonade.
We should have never claimed him, once we did, Nix did a good job in damage control.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
He said he would address to O-line last offseason, then proceded to add Green. That one still burns me.
ya – I never saw that. I heard him say that the o-line was a priority but that they wouldn’t reach for needs and that this was going to be a long painful rebuild.
To me it means that: o-line is a priority, but so is, well defense, tackle, quarterback etc… – basically we need an entire team because of the lack of talent.
I think you and others get hung up on statemetns like that and think they’re failing at their jobs because they siad something was a priority and then the didn’t address it – yet Nix mentions how this rebuild is going to be long and painful because the right way the rebuild a team is long and painful and it’s how he knows how to do it. Which is drafting off of their board grades.
Troup, Carrington, Moats, Batten are all an attempt at rebuilding a defense that never happens overnight especially when transitioning to a different scheme.
you keep harping on that one point over and over and I feel it’s really short sighted
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by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Nix said it was THE priority.
Leaving that out of the equation, he didn’t address ANY of our needs. He got lucky at QB with Fitzpatrick.
The players he drafted/signed on defense were not able to come in and make an impact.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s set some REALISTIC expectations for this draft class by talking about what teams drafted d-lineman that made a discernable impact. Particularly in rounds 2 on (but we can talk about round 1 too). To me they are extremely rare.
I’m perfectly willing to second guess the Spiller pick, but condemning the rest of this draft seems very premature.
by greysquirrel on Jan 5, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Not condemning
Based on the talent (or lack thereof) of our football team, the rookies we drafted (especially Troupe/Carrington) should have been able to make a bigger impact this year.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
So Troup should have been able to displace Williams and Carrington Stroud or Edwards? I guess I saw these picks as backups at best in year one. And thats what they were. After that injuries make every pick irrelevant until Moats, who has out performed his draft status, but so far isn’t gonna get a start on most other 3-4 teams. He’s another 3-4 prospect we are developing, maybe at a more glamorous position.
by greysquirrel on Jan 5, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
why? and it’s Troup – not troupe
canadian? i kid, i kid
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by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think before OTA’s and what not it was a priority but like with QB I think Gailey thought he had enough talent to work with. As it is we might be fine to add just a tackle. The problem as far as impact wasn’t with the players he brought in. It was with the players besides Williams who were here before.
GM’s say lots of things but it’s only because they’re asked. Of course he says the things he’s supposed to say. As far as the draft they slotted by talent not by need, so they got a bunch of guys who needed more polish. I think this draft class has some promise just needs a couple of years to pan out which seems fine to me in a rebuilding project.
This who thing is going to take at least a couple more years…. I’m of the opinion that the WORST thing to happen to this franchise would have been a ‘worst to first’ kind of year. Whenever that happens to a new coach / gm it doesn’t bode well for their future. Jauron in Chicago, Sparano in Miami. A year like this I can live with because it clearly illustrated the many deficiencies of this football team that need to be fixed. We went in to last year thinking O-line / QB were our needs, but after watching the season tackle is important, qb is secondary and defense is the most glaring need. A QB is important, and if one they like is there at 3 they should take them, but it won’t do us much good as long as our defense gives up rushing yards the way it does, and has done for years now.
On a side note, it kills me every time I watch Clay Matthews. We could have had him, right?
Some day the Bills won't suck anymore. Or they'll be in someone else's city.
So what would you say you do here?
OK. Forget everything else J2, at the end of the day what does Nix have to show for his time at OBD.
As far as I see it… Arthur Moats? Everything else has been pretty disasterful.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
lol – I love how defensive you get when someone contradicts your statements.
Here’s what I think “the plan” is.
Obviously Franchise QB is always the plan so unless they feel that “the guy” is available in the draft they aren’t going to take a QB – I think we can agree on that.
Transitioning defenses is difficult always. I think the decision to switch to the 3-4 was Nix’s decision but not sure how much it matters because our defense really didn’t have a lot of talent to begin with – we can agree there right? That essentially our defense was lacking talent so if there was a time to switch defenses this past off season was as good a time as any.
Look at the draft – obviously there wasn’t a QB that they liked so they passed then went BPA on their board.
Troup, Carrington, Moats, Batten – all very productive college players that need time to transition to the NFL because of never playing 3-4 in college and guys like Batten/Moats it’s a bigger jump up in talent but they were very, very productive college players.
We know it’s going to take at least 1 year if not 2 to properly transition to the 3-4. We took guys that were highly productive college players that needed time to transition to the 3-4 in a year in which transition to the 3-4 was going to take a while regardless.
Going forward we have guys that should be very competent in year 2 and especially year 3. Basically the guys we just took should really, really be coming on in year 3 and make huge strides as NFL players. Most guys that get drafted in rounds 3 or later take a year or 2 to make the jump regardless, not all, but most do and guys like Moats surprise and get more playing time.
You have to thjink that troup, carrington, moats and batten will be all hitting their strides right about the same time when things really start clicking for this team. They will have had the time to properly adjust to the NFL and really should be looked at as the foundation of our defense.
yes?
now on the o-line – I never heard him say it’s “the priority” becuase QB is always going to be “the priority” if you don’t have one – he said it’s “a proirity” so we’re mincing words here but that’s besides the point.
now – since this is a “long, painful rebuild” then they should be taking guys that grade higher on their board because that’s how you get the better players. Look at the Maybin pick – pass rush was the priority we were so focused on getting to the QB that we epically failed that pick instead of taking a higher rated player – we reached to fill a need and that burned us. it burns a lot of teams that reach for need and that’s not how you properly build a team from the ground up – you have to take the players that are rated higher -especially in year 1 of a 4 or 5 year rebuild. that should be common sense.
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BTW
My comment about “What would you say you do here” was in reference to Nix, not you. While I might disagree with your opinions, they are well thought out, I would never low blow/stab like that.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nix - Offensive Line
now on the o-line – I never heard him say it’s "the priority" becuase QB is always going to be "the priority" if you don’t have one – he said it’s "a proirity" so we’re mincing words here but that’s besides the point.
Nope, he said exactly this:
“We felt like we needed to upgrade our offensive line,” Nix said of the assessment after he was hired. “We started out looking for that. That was our main emphasis going into the draft…”
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 5, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly the reason why I approve
I like a guy that’s going to make moves even though they are “hard” ones to make. He admitted that the O line was a priority. But did he make much of a move in the draft or FA? No. Why? Because he won’t reach when he picks nor throw outrageous money at overrated, overthehill players. He believes in his plan, which is based on a draft/talent board born through scout and pro evaluation – which will take 3 years to build.
Through these moves (or lack there of) it will mean you don’t get a high “approval” rating amongst the fan base. And I admire the approach.
Dude
It’s not like we had pick of litter regarding HC. Hello!
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
I voted approve.
Keep in mind, if many of us had our way we would be way worse off than where we are right now with Nix. Some of wanted Jimmy Claussen and would have been happy if we would have spent our first round pick on him (he was terrible this year). Some wanted us to resign Josh Reed (Stevie and Roscoe probably wouldn’t have played then and Reed isn’t even on a team to my knowledge). Some wanted Jason Cambell or McNabb (one could argue that Fitz played quite a bit better than those two). People don’t like the Spiller pick but there doesn’t seem to be any other player that we were “supposed” to be interested in at pick 9 (Dan Williams comes to mind) that is in the running for rookie of the year (one could argue that Tebow has been ok in limited time and maybe we should have taken him with the 9th pick).
Also everyone always brings up his free agent class, but what highly valued free agent in his right mind would want to come to an team on a 10 year playoff drought, with a coach that at the time every “respected” media person was making fun of us for hiring, with a gm that most people had never heard of, to a town that (Not to offend anyone. I would love to make my home in Buffalo) in many players estimations is the least desirable place to live in. I just don’t see who else he was supposed to bring in. Maybe this year will be a different story. Chan has received some positive media attention. We played some of the good teams pretty tough. We could possibly be perceived as a team on the up and up.
I am not 100% sold. I hope he does better in year two. But as of now I approve because outside of a miracle worker I don’t know who could have done better.
I want to have Buddy Nix's baby.
by taskersd on Jan 5, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
nice comment
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
Or perhaps
tackles Anthony Davis or Brian Bulaga?
Though I completely buy into the interior first philosophy of building a football team, I believe even more in bringing in elite players regardless of position.
That’s why as much as I like Bowers/Fairley/Dareus/Quinn, and believe edge setters/rushers are paramount to building our team, I’d prefer Green or Peterson, because they are flat out better prospects.
If he thinks A Davis and B Bulaga are average tackles, it’s bad to use your first round pick on them. So far he hasn’t been proven wrong about that. Though admittedly he hasnt gotten the instant impact from Spiller he professed.
by greysquirrel on Jan 5, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
This is pretty much exactly what I think. Nice summary. You have to credit guys with what they didn’t do as well as what they did. These guys avoided a lot of the desperate offseason moves that teams try to do to address “needs”. I for one thought trading for Gaither or McNabb would have been a no brainer. Whoops! We would have lost draft picks and been right where we are now.
We damn the draft, but its way too early. I’m disappointed in Spiller’s production, but the rest of it seems fine to me. It’s just too early to tell who will contribute from this class. Just because Moats shows promise doesn’t make the rest of the draft terrible. Lineman like Troup and Carrington rarely are gonna jump of the screen at you. They appear to earn reps and get experience. As long as they get better, their value will be determined in the future. The vast majority of teams first round picks are incompletes, not to mention the more developmental prospects in later rounds — are there really a slew of homeruns between rounds 2-7 this year that people wanted before the draft? Meanwhile, we appear to have done a really nice job in undrafted FA and during the season. I get complaining the team wasnt good, but I don’t think this draft is really the key reason.
This is basically an incomplete/pass. Again, a GM can’t turn stuff around overnight unless he gets a franchise QB in the fold and I didn’t see one of those out there for us. So I remain guardedly optimistic. Similar to Gailey I like Nix’s press conferences. Sometimes the candor rubs people the wrong way, but I think it’s better for the fans that he admits he was trying to get some pieces for the o-line in the offseason and that he knows the RT situation is flawed. People have turned these statements into indictments of the guy, and this is why most GMs tell you squat. Can you remember the last time you had any insight into the Bills’ decision-making? Was it like 13 years ago?
by greysquirrel on Jan 5, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno man, I just don’t know.
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 5, 2011 10:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Whether you voted approve or disapprove, I think it should be pretty clear that it is far too early in the process to make any sweeping declarations about whether or not Nix has been successful.
The really frustrating part of being a fan or observer of a team trying to rebuild is that it takes a few years. While we’ve heard this line many times before over the past decade, it doesn’t subtract from the phrase’s veritas. The crappy part is if the new guys don’t know what their doing, we have to start the process all over again.
However, if Nix and Co do have good football acumen, we’re in line for years of playoff contention.
Spiller Pick a waster
I voted not sure, mainly because of the Spiller pick, where Buddy and team outthought themselves. They should have reached for a tackle, or traded back some and reached for Saffold. If any team did not need Spiller, it was Buffalo.
In the 2010 draft, I wanted the first 3 picks to weigh 900 lbs or more. For 2011, I want the same. I say go DL, OT and LB/DL for first 3 picks.
I held my nose and voted "approve" but
with some advice: overwhelming need trumps BPA.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
I'm sure you'll be 100% approving
When Poz gets a big, new contact!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 5, 2011 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mixed
I’ve been all over the spectrum through the course of the season, and left this as “Not Sure”. While I liked the FO was active during the season, I still have a sour taste the draft.
The upcoming FA period and this years draft will be telling. To be honest, I’m queasy thinking about how Nix and OBD may potentially bugger things up
(Insert same comment about Gailey here about Nix)
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 5, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions
I'm still a disapprove vote
I hated the CJ Spiller pick when the team made it. I never imagined I would hate it even more after a season though. At least I thought that Spiller would actually be good. He wasn’t the BPA when Buffalo picked, especially when you consider how much this team needed an OT or pass rusher and the value of those positions vs. the value of an undersized RB. People have tried to argue in favor with Spiller as if he was some huge talent that Buffalo couldn’t pass up, gotta draft the BPA. As if Buddy Nix and the Bills didn’t really want to take the guy, but just shrugged their shoulders and settled for him because of their BPA philosophy. But I think Spiller was the plan all along because I think that Nix and Gailey thought it was a need. They wanted a home run hitting offensive threat and they went out and got one. Terrible pick.
Hated the Shawne Merriman signing too. I don’t view it as a high reward move. I think the best case scenario is that he returns to health and is 80% of the player he was before, which I don’t think is a great player. He was successful because he was a freak athlete, not because he was a technician out there. He’s lost a bit of burst and speed and I think that takes away more than people realize. For Merriman to find success, I think he’s going to have to completely redefine himself. He’s not just going to magically be a Pro Bowl caliber player again. He’s going to have to improve his run defense. I think Merriman has more of an uphill battle than people realize. For me, it’s an all risk, little reward signing.
Chris Kelsay. Enough said.
I still don’t like the move to the 3-4. Especially considering the resigning of Kelsay. Kyle Williams doesn’t fit and IMO, the way that Buffalo used him this year is essentially an admission that he doesn’t fit. They’re always going to have to scheme around him. They’re never going to move him off the nose which makes Troup an odd pick. It actually wouldn’t surprise me to see Troup playing DE in some run situations at some point in the future. The Bills took a great pass defense and turned it into a poor pass defense. Well done guys.
For me, those things far outweigh the positives. The positives being some nice late round and UDFA finds in Moats, Nelson, Jones and potentially, eventually, some other guys. Some solid in season moves like Urbik. The Bills didn’t try and put mediocre vets in the way of young players like Bell and Steve Johnson which was an excellent strategy. And that’s about it. Those are the good things that I think Nix has done. Not exactly an impressive list.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Jan 5, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell
They wanted a home run hitting offensive threat and they went out and got one. Terrible pick.
as far as my recollection I beleive that mocking the draft had spiller as their top rated talent still on the board and that was the same for Kiper (for what that’s worth).
I can get behind the logic that Gailey could really utilize a home run threat that could be special. For some reason I think you think that Spiller was the Bills BPA pick when it was the concensus BPA by all non bills people too – wasn’t it?
Hated the Shawne Merriman signing too.
eh – this really isn’t a big deal – the incentives and playing time make me like this move – i really don’t feel it as an indication of a bad FO move especially if he does pan out. if he was getting paid more sure – but he’s guaranteed basically 2.5 million with the contract littered with playing time and performance based incentives that could increase the value of the deal to as much as $9.25 million per season
that’s really not a ton of money and really don’t understand why that’s a sticking point with you. I know you’ve said that you think it would prevent them from taking a pass rusher because he’s there but one would think the Spiller pick with Lynch and Jackson on the roster would make that point moot.
I still don’t like the move to the 3-4.
I agree with you that the 3-4 was probably Nix’s call – but don’t agree with not moving to the 3-4. it’s more versatile but that’s not really here or there.
Williams doesn’t seem to fit if you’re a true 3-4 team but is he really a guy to build a defense around? I love me some Kyle Williams but I don’t think you should base your scheme off of one guy when the rest basically suck anyways. if you were to switch I think it was a good timing beccause of hte lack of talent anyways and regime change.
I don’t think Troup is an odd pick at all – first it’s good to have more than 1 guy that can play a position because of injury and freshness – but from all accounts Troup needs technique but should be able to anchor that line – he’s a bull and going through a full season and offseason in the NFL i expect a big improvement from him and am really excited about both Troup and Carrington actually.
for the draft I feel they are thinking for the future and retooling their defense – they said it was gonig to be a long,painful road to respectability so they drafted highly productive guys that will transition well to the NFL – just not this year. Troup, Carrington, Moats, Batten – hopefully those guys will be staples of our defense and the foundation of our defense for years to come
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 5, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HAHHAHAHAHA
I’m recing this before reading after the first sentence alone
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell
I think thats a sig right there hhaha. Ok, i’ll go read your comment now.
The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2
by poz on Jan 5, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
He deserves a few more "unsure" votes, just on the Merriman signing alone
While the 2.5 million isn’t much money on the surface, the reality is Merriman has little chance of reaching those incentives. The chances of him showing the same game changing ability is pretty slim after those knee injuries. And if we never get a full season of health out of him, even the 2.5 million will be a waste. Especially since this team is known for letting quality people go in free agency due to a cheap budget.
Schmucks don't make it to the Pro Bowl... except Jason Peters!
by Run Thurmal Run! on Jan 5, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Kelsay signing and Merriman contract really scare me! Like were reaching for straws!
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
He signed a former Pro-Bowler at the beginning of the off season to a 2 year incentive laden contract that, if he underperforms, isn’t costing the franchise very much money. What about that, exactly, scares you?
Very much money is kind of relative. He’s going to make 5 mil next year and that’s going to make him one of the higher paid players on the team.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
My point with Spiller is about him not being the BPA in hindsight and that even at the time, he wasn’t a unanimous guy at the top of everybody’s board. I feel like people tried to make the BPA argument as if he was some super talent that just couldn’t be passed on. In reality, he was a marginally better prospect than Jahvid Best who went like 20 picks later. There were some sites that had Anthony Davis higher. Some had Bulaga higher. Combine everything together and Spiller was the BPA according the to the sources, but it wasn’t some no-brainer obvious conclusion to come to.
but he’s guaranteed basically 2.5 million with the contract
But he’s going to make more than that. Since half his first year salary is guaranteed, I can’t imagine Buffalo giving up on him and cutting him before the season starts. Once he makes the final cuts, then his salary for the year is guaranteed. For me, it’s more like a 5 mil guarantee and I think that’s too much for a team that has it’s own players to sign and who could use a safer starter somewhere else in FA.
I know you’ve said that you think it would prevent them from taking a pass rusher
I don’t actually believe that. I think it would prevent them from going OLB in the first, but I don’t think they would have done that anyways. My problem is that I think it’s going to prevent them from paying 5 million dollars to a better player. Poz might walk. The Bills might not sign a single good player in FA. I think they could have spent the money better.
it’s more versatile
I don’t actually think that it is. In the 4-3, you can play short DTs or tall DTs. Fat DTs or skinny DTs. You can play big LBs or small LBs. You can play a DE at one of the LB spots like the skins did with Orakpo or you can play a couple 220 pounders like Tennessee often does. Since the 3-4 is the more versatile alignment, using it limits you to players who are that versatile.
Williams doesn’t seem to fit if you’re a true 3-4 team but is he really a guy to build a defense around?
IMO, there was zero reason to move to the 3-4 in the first place. So one reason is better than no reasons, even if it’s just that Kyle Williams fits the scheme better.
I don’t think Troup is an odd pick at all
The Bills took a player to split time with one of their best players on offense in the first round. Then they took a player to split time with one of their best players on defense in the second round. To me, that’s odd.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Jan 5, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he wasn’t a unanimous guy at the top of everybody’s board.
that’s fair – but he also was on the top of peoples boards so that means that a lot of people saw good things from him.
On Merriman we’ll just have to agree to disagree (I hate doing that)
Since the 3-4 is the more versatile alignment, using it limits you to players who are that versatile.
agree and think that’s why they went that route – in theory if they draft the right guys it should work out better for them because it’s a more versatile alignment. at the end of the day though – i would like them to pick a defensive scheme and stick with it for the next 20 years. I think you get better value out of your players that way.
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Jan 6, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
approve on the whole
Took an organization in disarray w/numerous holes in the roster & has the thing on the right track.
- liked the coaching choice
-liked the draft although I question the #1 pick
-Loved the non drafted rookies brought in
-Loved the free agents scoured for during the year (rebuild the line ala SD) especially Merriman
- could have played the schoebel thing differently to get some return
-should have moved marshawn much earlier
- had to know #5 was damaged goods but saddled the coach w/a chasing the dragon scenario
- I thought it was a great sign that other teams were raiding the Bills practice squad at the end of the year, nice endorsement from your piers.
by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 5, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions
Voted Disapprove
I think Nix is a Very Good Talent evaluator,but not Great.Burning a first round pick on Spiller before You have an Offensive Line and a Franchise QB is just foolish in my book.His great speed isn’t going to surprise any defense without a line,no matter how much talent He has supposedly.Troup was a decent pick in that spot but Nix hardly even began to address the holes in this team with the rest of the picks.Moats was good too..Hurray!.2 picks out of 7 that really show promise.Nix should not be the last word on our draft.Announcing the switch to a 3-4 defense and then resigning Kelsey is a contradiction to going 3-4!.Even the Merriman signing was junk in my book.If he plays 8 games next year I’ll admit I was wrong,but I doubt very much it’ll come to that.This team will never return to prominence if the first round picks keep getting us punt returners and part time runners.I’m not saying He’s a horrible GM,just not a really good one.
Disapprove
Yep, get what you pay for in most cases. Nix and Chan are best Bill’s could do. Why the dislike? Expect Superman to fly down and make all thats wrong right? Wait till Ralph’s relinguished ownership first.
Players names keep changing, but our team needs remain the same. QB or bust 2011! And hey, can we get a little O/L help, please!!
by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2011 3:39 AM EST up reply actions
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