Making the case for Carimi
Now that Luck has decided to return to Stanford for another season lets now turn our attention to the task at hand - what to do with our 3rd overall pick in this upcoming draft.
Let me start by saying that I feel that Luck returning to Stanford was a great thing for us because I believe that Carolina would have taken Luck with the first overall pick in the draft. Richardson has made that very clear. Now at least we still have a fighting chance at him next year.
This leaves us with the 3rd overall pick this year. What should we do? Many have suggested (me included) that we should address the D-Line (either DT or DE) with either Bowers or Fairley, both of whom are coming off incredible seasons. Then there's Dareus, another Junior, who has two seasons but nothing that indicates that he should be taken so high. The problem is that all three of these guys are Juniors who are basically 1 year wonders like our favorite whipping boy, Mr Maybin. I for one am not that keen on potentially wasting another top pick on another bust.
If we look at the top talent that has experience and that has proven that they are more than just a flash in the pan we have:
Patrick Patterson, who is also a Junior but a solid 3 year starter - This guy looks like the real deal. He doesn't have that many INTs primarily because he's such a good lock down corner. He's big & physical and will be a great lock down corner at the next level. The question that I would ask is: Are we changing from zone to man? I personally think that we are better suited for a zone defense. McGee, Florence & Corner are definitely better suited for Zone and I am tempted to add McKelvin to the mix also. So why would we take a press coverage man guy?
AJ Green, another Junior is also a very solid prospect - he's a 3 year starter that averages 54 catches a year around 900 y and 8 TDs. He's been extremely consistant every year. He's been compared to Calvin Johnson but I don't think that he should be because he never had a breakout year like Calvin. Calvin had similar numbers in his two first years but then had a breakout third year with 76 receptions for 15 TDs and well over 1200yards, whereas Green has remained constant for all three years, never surpassing the 1000y mark or 9tds. Although he's a very solid player and I think he's worth a top 5 pick, I'm starting to think that he's a bit of a luxury for us at #3. If he'd drop to us at #3, I'd almost prefer using him to trade down a few spots.
Gabe Carimi, a senior LT from Wisconsin is arguably the top LT in this years draft. This guy is a very solid starter. He took over for Joe Thomas (3rd overall pick) in 2007 and has started every game since. He is known as a hard worker with somewhat of a mean edge to him and very smart. Not a freak athlete by any means but very good pass defender as well as run blocker. He looked extremely good in the Rose Bowl. This guy is definitely a top 10-15 pick. He is as blue chip as they get in this year's draft. An immediate starter at RT but IMO might also succeed at LT at some point.
I think that we are in a great position to move down a few spots. If Green is still there then I could definitely see Cleveland being interested in moving up for Green. If Peterson is there then options are even better, I could see San Fran being interested. And I could think of a few teams that'd be interested in moving up for Bowers/Fairley/Dareus So I think that we are in a great position to slide down a few spots and start fixing something that should have been addressed a long time ago, our Offensive Tackle position.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Would be a complete waste to draft him #3
I’d be angrier if they did this than if they took Newton
"Your favorite kind of cake can't be birthday cake, that's like saying your favorite kind of cereal if breakfast cereal."- Parks and Recreation
even trading down
1st pick should be a DL or QB…nuff said
"Your favorite kind of cake can't be birthday cake, that's like saying your favorite kind of cereal if breakfast cereal."- Parks and Recreation
I gathered that by your first comments.
Me, I’d prefer fixing the O-Line so that we could be in a position to draft our Franchise QB without fear of getting him killed. If you don’t believe me, just ask Brohm or Brown because our last game against the Jets 2-3rd stringers was a total disgrace.
Our line needs to be fixed before we can envision any playoff berth.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Agreed
But unless we expect to get another top 4-5 pick next yr why not address QB this year and then O/L next yr? I’m with ya on needing O/L help but not with #3 overall pick. Seems this franchise is scared to draft O/L high anyways! We need more than O/L to win division. We need talent everywhere! Oh can’t get killed if he doesn’t start. QB would sit on bench first yr. Only Bradford or Luck could start 1st yr. IMHO
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 7, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
If you read my post you’d notice that I am suggesting that either way at #3 there should be a player that someone will be interested in trading up for, so I am suggesting that a trade-down is very possible and that’s what we should be doing, moving downwards and grabbing extra picks in the process – getting Carimi in the process
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Oh
Yeah if they don’t see QB at #3 they want, then by all means trade down and get more picks. We really need talent everywhere.
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 8, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 7, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Because all have warts,
The only QB I think that could elevate to #3 status is Locker.
To elevate himself to a worthy pick at #3, he would have to rip up the Senior Bowl with an immaculate performance. This is his one chance to show if surrounded with good talent, he can perform against top talent taking snaps under center. If he doesn’t do that, I can’t see one QB worthy of the #3 pick.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 8, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
Mind you I really like Locker to start with so I’m sort of biased
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Senior Bowl
So Senior Bowl results will make or break Locker’s draftability? I’d be surprised if thats the case. I believe he’s been “weighed and measured” already regarding how talented he is or isn’t. I as well like Locker but his stock has taken a hit this yr.
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 8, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
So Senior Bowl results will make or break Locker’s draftability?
Didn’t say that at all.
What I do think is it could very well make a difference in how big a team wants to make a financial commitment. Right now I think a safe place for him and the contract he’d get is 10-25. He would get nearly twice the Guaranteed money at #3 than at #10. A good senior bowl would make it much easier to make that twice as large financial commitment by drafting him that high.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not in the 1st
Unless there is a HUGE run on OT’s either Carimi, Cannon or Sherrod should be available to us with our second pick. Every one of these guys would be an instant starter at RT IMO and would be perfect for our second round selection. Big, nasty, mauling type individuals opening run lanes for CJ/Jackson and giving Fitz more time is very important.
May God have mercy upon the opponents of the Buffalo Bills because WE WILL NOT!!!
by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 7, 2011 1:13 PM EST reply actions
I’m with you, 2nd round is looking like (things change quick though, don’t they) a good place to get some value for an OT.
Why do they put the Gideon Bibles only in the bedrooms, where it's usually too late, and not in the barroom downstairs? ~Christopher Morley, Contribution to a Contribution
Couldn’t agree more. There will be an excellent RT available to us when we pick at the top of the 2nd round. If we are really smart we will trade down, acquire an extra second round pick, and then go: OLB, RT, ILB.
I don't want to trade down....I want a stud playmaker
1st – QB or DE/DT
2nd – OT – RT with LT potential
3rd – OLB – Someone for Merriman to mentor
For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.
OLB
Someone to help Merriman carry his crutches and knee braces more like it:) Joke, I hope he does well for sake of team, but not too excited.
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 7, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya......I am not counting on Merriman seeing the field....thus the pick
For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.
I hope so, but I have seen some mocks with four OT going in the last twelve picks of the first.
They will only go up as we get nearer to the draft. I would not be shocked if we have to trade back up into the first to get our RT.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Unless there is a HUGE run on OT’s
You mean like the huge run that happened in the first round last year? Once a team takes one i get the feeling that Carimi, Cannon, Sodler and Sherrod will fly. I believe one should be available, hopefully, but it is no sure thing. With the disaster at RT and the subpar play at LT can we afford to walk away without a top 3 OT in this draft? I’d willingly trade up or down into the mid/late first to get our guy, especially Carimi or Solder
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
by poz on Jan 7, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Difference
I think the main difference and why we could possibly feel a bit more confident about one of them being there is because many of the tackles last year were projected as good or at least solid LT’s. This year the situation is not the same at all, and is in fact very different. Possibly one of the top 5 OT’s has a prayer of playing OT in in the NFL. Everything I’ve read, and after watching both Carimi and Cannon in their game, says that they will all be RT’s at the start and throughout their career. While we, the Bills, are in desperate need of that mauling RT the need for those league wide is less than the (correctly or incorrectly) highly valued LT. So yes, while it is possible that they may all be gone, IMO one of the top 4 will almost certainly be there for us without trading back into the 1st round.
May God have mercy upon the opponents of the Buffalo Bills because WE WILL NOT!!!
by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 7, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
IMO one of the top 4 will almost certainly be there for us without trading back into the 1st round.
That would be such a great situation for us, I suppose much of it will depend on what happens. If two OTs go by the mid 1st round, would you trade up then? Or still ride it out and hope one is still there?
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
by poz on Jan 7, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
I very much want our second pick to be our starting RT since there are such prototypical maulers out there this year. I would say take a reasoned, logical look at the remaining teams to see what their needs are, the players available to them and the most likely draft scenario until our next pick. IF the most likely scenario is that they are all gone then by all means, look for a trading partner and try to get back. Waiting would be a risk, but personally, I would probably hold my ground.
May God have mercy upon the opponents of the Buffalo Bills because WE WILL NOT!!!
by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 8, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
he never had a breakout year like Calvin.
This year was Green’s breakout year. It doesn’t show statistically because he was suspended for the first four games of the season. Extrapolate his numbers out to their full schedule and it’s 82 catches, 1,225 yards and 13 TDs.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Sick
Now at least we still have a fighting chance at him next year.
Getting tired of everyone saying stuff like this. Yeah, let’s just hope for another terrible year….
Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!
Agreed
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 7, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
as far as I can tell
if we can get some LBs and OTs we have a fighting chance at the wildcard. A big free agent LB, a good drafted OT, and some pass rushers could be enough to buy us 4-6 more wins when you consider that Stevie, D-Nels, D-Jones, Moats, Troup, Carrington, Spiller and Leo should all have made more progress and that we get Danny Batten, Marcus Easley, Roscoe Parrish back. Throw in that Poz, Levitre, Wood, Byrdman are still guys who are getting better. This is where Nix shows his stuff. Lets try and be competitve as opposed to slouching and waiting for Luck.
i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2
by poz on Jan 7, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Who said that?
We had no chance at all this year because Richardson was clear about the fact that he was going to take him.
A lot can happen next year. Mainly he could slide or at a minimum there would be less competition for a QB. I never suggested that we’d have another disastrous year and yeah, even if we finish in muddled middle I still think we still have a better chance at him next year than we did this year.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Here’s how I look at it. There are 2 scenerios that can play out where we have a shot at luck. The first is the team stinks it up real bad and has a top pick again next year. The second is they play reasonably well, but Luck has a Locker-type senior slide and we can get him later.
Now, not many people here are pushing for Locker, where as last year, if he had declared, everyone would have wanted him. So I have to assume, if you (and others) want the shot at him next year, you want Luck to have another great season and hope the Bills tank it enough to get him. I know no ones wants our team to suck, but it’s still the way it comes across.
Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!
Not that great?
I question some of the author’s critique of certain players, most notably, Marcel Darius. He has been very, very good for two years- simply view replays of Bama’s last two bowl games for examples. But the really interesting thing in this post is that, after citing the players’ limitations, the author then alludes to other teams potentially wanting to trade up for Buffalo’s pick, precisely to get these players. Like the majority who have responded to this post, I feel excellent value for the ROT position can be had in rounds 2/3. Get the best player on the board at #3.
My point was that what is currently being touted as top 5 talent is players with very little experience other than the last year except for Dareus, whose numbers are considerably less than Fairley. I am so affraid that we waste another high pick on a crap bust player like Aaron Maybin that I am wondering why we wouldn’t trade down and get a player that is as blue chip as they come and that could be a RT for many years in Buffalo. I read Mocking Dan’s report but after seeing him play in the Rose bowl I think there’s a chance that he might succeed at the LT position and I view the RT position as a fall back, but one at which we’ll have a pretty dam good player for many years to come.
The reason why I figure other teams are willing to trade up is because most teams are not as needy as we are and they might be willing to take a little more risk. In the end of the day, I am very much averse to taking any sort of risk with our first pick, we simply can’t afford to miss. For that reason, one year wonders are out. That leaves Green, Peterson & Carimi
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
2nd round
no way we take a RT (I’ve heard Carimi is somewhat limited to the right side) at #3. hope he falls. kinda doubt it
if we trade to the middle of the first im all for it.
doesnt make much sense at #3. but i must say i like carimi wayyy more than any of the other OTs in this draft… big, strong, angry wisconsin farm boy is EXACTLY who i want at RT
FWIW
This is where I stopped reading your post.
Let me start by saying that I feel that Luck returning to Stanford was a great thing for us because I believe that Carolina would have taken Luck with the first overall pick in the draft. Richardson has made that very clear. Now at least we still have a fighting chance at him next year.
That is almost saying I hope we lose all of our games next year so we can pick first in the next draft.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
not at all
That is not at all how I view it!
A lot can happen next year. Mainly he could slide or at a minimum there would be less competition for a QB. I never suggested that we’d have another disastrous year and yeah, even if we finish in muddled middle I still think we still have a better chance at him next year than we did this year.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Chances
Chances and possibilities are infinite regarding what happens this year, let alone what occurs next year. Truly, every team has a better chance at Luck next year. Pittsburg could go 0-16 for all we know!
And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!
by buffalobacker on Jan 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions

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