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Buffalo Bills Getting Big Production From Safety Group

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When the Buffalo Bills allowed former Top 10 draft pick Donte Whitner to depart via free agency, some Bills fans - not many, but some - expressed concern that the team would regress at the safety position. After watching George Wilson, Jairus Byrd and Bryan Scott through five games, however, those concerns should be completely eradicated.

Wilson replaced Whitner in the starting lineup, and the returns have been immediate. He's currently tied for first in the NFL with three interceptions this season, and is also fifth in the NFL with a team-leading 47 tackles. Scott, technically a reserve but a fixture in the team's oft-used nickel and dime packages, has recorded 29 tackles, one sack and two interceptions - one of which he returned for a touchdown.

The best player of the group may be Byrd, the third-year pro that drew some ire from Bills fans for a "down" year in 2010 despite continuing a very high level of production. Byrd has recorded 42 tackles this season playing center field for the Bills - a figure that ties him with teammate Nick Barnett for ninth in the league - while forcing and recovering a fumble, as well.

This group of players is not overly talented, but they're helping to key the team's impressive efforts in forcing turnovers.

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Byrd reminds me of Antoinne Winfield

I could not have imagined writing this two years ago when Byrd seemed a major liability in the run game. Now Byrd’s short compact frame and his tackling form reminds me of the former Bill and current Vikings CB. He has really impressed me with his hard work and talent.

Wilson was a real find. He is a great blend of size, strength, quickness, savvy, and brains. He has very good hands and ball awareness due to his time as a WR and has worked to maximize his abilities.

Scott is the perfect player for the LB light role he fills.

It appears the Bills are building this team like a baseball team by getting strong “up the middle”.

by WhatGoesAround on Oct 11, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Byrd is awesome!

He is my favorite Bill, and I hope he will be a Bill for the rest of his career.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 11, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Byrd has been outstanding this year. He’s my early candidate for most improved player.

by Rick A on Oct 11, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is starting to make me sick

“This group is not overly talented?” I mean what do these guys have to do? I am so tired of listening about how the Eagles BLEW THE GAME because they jumped offsides. It was 28-7 and we were blowing them out! Can someone give credit to the Bills? I mean what do you define as talent? First round picks who never show up? George Wilson is about 100x better than Donte Whitner. This guy is on every play and should make the pro bowl if it weren’t for a popularity contest. He is consistently on every tackle almost, makes amazing plays on the ball for interceptions and I really do not think I have seen him miss an open field tackle. We need to give credit where it is due! I said we wouldn’t miss a beat when whitner left because it was obvious that Wilson was better.

The last couple years we watched the “so-called” talented guys like Whitner, Lynch, T.O take time away from guys like Freddie, Stevie Johnson, and George Wilson. I’ll take the latter three all day. Are they as talented? hmm 4-1 and top dogs in a lot of categories statistical wise = talent too me. The NFL and everyone else needs to give these guys some credit. I think the Giants are already favored by 6 points on one website I was reading. I mean come on, they just lost to Seattle.. But I like Eric Wood’s mentality…..Let them keep doubting us and will keep winning. Give it to them Buffalo, and show them what heart and a collective group of hard working ’TALENTED" players can do.

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m talking about their physical talents. George Wilson and Bryan Scott won’t beat many receivers in a foot race. Neither will Byrd, for that matter. There is physical talent – which is what I was referring to – and there is the ability to play football. This team is full of not-that-talented excellent football players, from Stevie Johnson on down. I don’t think I’m being insulting saying that.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

im not saying you are, its just starting to really get to me because its not like these guys are bums. I mean if now you are talking “speed,” lets look at Lee Evans. Had a ton of speed. But Stevie runs a lot better routes and can get open? I just don’t think you can base it all off what you are talking about. Look at Freddie and CJ. Freddie is more patient, knows how to block and is an excellent overall football player. He isn’t close to how fast CJ is but He is a lot better than CJ. Does CJ potentially have more talent…Probably, but ill take Freddie all day over CJ. Wouldn’t you?

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I wanted to call them bums, I’d call them bums. Obviously, in writing this article at all, I don’t think they’re bums.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you aren’t but you understand my point. And my post was not intended to go off at you. It was a knee jerk reaction to all the credit that hasn’t been given to these players. It really erked me to hear how the eagles blew the game and how they bascially should have beaten a much inferior opponent. This team is playing like a team with a lot of heart and I would be afraid of playing them

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I mean, you’re posting these responses in an article about how awesome the three safeties have been this year… and no one here has written that the Eagles blew the game. Who cares what anyone else says? :)

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t and I don’t mind being the under dogs every game. I just saw the words “not the most talented bunch” and went off. I really think Wilson should be up for some kind of award the way he is playing. Looking at his stats and this team, would it be farfetched to call him an early candidate for Defensive MVP?

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it seems weird to me also

I guess I don’t get the ‘less talent’ phrasing as well – Byrd doesn’t let anyone by him, regardless of how athletic they are….his tackle of the extremely athletic McCoy in the open field was amazing – to me this says that he is extremely talented!!

by Barman23 on Oct 11, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

agree

i guess speed is the only talent. because they don’t have 4.3 – speed, that must mean they aren’t talented. But i don’t care to rant. Last time i tried discussing “elite talent” in regards to our safeties, it ended poorly. apparently the production level doesn’t mean anything if the guy isn’t also fast. Fast=talented. I thought interception/tackles/forced fumbles/ tackles for loss were all things we want safeties doing, and if ours do these things often, they must be pretty talented.

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by ThaRealTruth on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

CJ potentially have more talent…Probably

no. absolutely. theres no comparison

by boomsauce on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just like Reggie Bush right…I’d still rather have Fred Jackson over Bush or Spiller. Like the guy below me said. We all view talent in different terms. Bush and CJ might be more talented in your sense, but id rather have the guy who can get 20 carries a game and consistently rush for over 100 yards.

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should.....

Speed is only one facet, size, strength, quickness all define “physical talent”. Lots of players with physical talent never make it. Maybe we should broaden our description of talent to include intelligence, savvy, and heart. Brian is correct when saying they would not be in the top five based solely on physical talent, however, if you redefine talent to encompass the intangibles listed above, I believe it pushes the Bills safeties up the ladder.

by Coach Bob on Oct 11, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we put a pin in the Spiller Bush player grouping? I think Spiller can still provide us a lot more than Bush provided New Orleans. Right now he’s behind a better back, but he looks like he is running better inside than Bush does already. I get the feeling this comparison is a bit more about disappointment than in these guys are the same player.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Oct 11, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i never once said id dump fred in favor of cj. i simply said cj is a better physical talent, which he absolutely is

by boomsauce on Oct 11, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bs - Just wondering...

Do you believe CJ has more god given physical skills or CJ is a better player at this point in time? As mentioned below, most define talent differently. Some look at physical tools as “talent”, while others look at the whole package (physical tools, awareness, technique) and the ability to apply those assets as being “talent”.

by WhatGoesAround on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

CJ is quicker and faster. Fred is more powerful and has better vision.

by Coach Bob on Oct 11, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coach, I was wondering what Bs (Boomsauce) thought. Earlier (below) I had tried to distinguish physical tools from talent, as I, like you, view physical tools as only one component of talent. I believe a lot of people view faster, bigger, stronger as being more talented, whereas I see those measurable physical gifts as mere components of athleticism, which is only one piece of talent (albeit a large piece).

by WhatGoesAround on Oct 11, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

i define talent as physical talent, as BG outlined above. freddy is very clearly a better football player than CJ, but CJ is very clearly a more talented player than freddy. its a game of semantics i guess, but i make the distinction.
in my mind the bills have exactly 3 elite talents on their roster: spiller, mckelvin, dareus. im not saying i think those are our 3 best players or ever will be our 3 best, but i do think those are the 3 most physically gifted players on our team

by boomsauce on Oct 11, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

BS: I understand where you are coming from. It is a very important distinction and probably the root of a lot of disagreements on this blog. We just define talent differently, which I presumed we did. I tend to look at talent as the finished product or the “football player” and look at the physical skills as just a piece (albeit an important piece) of what makes the better “football player”.

by WhatGoesAround on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fit the def of talent as you just pointed out. I have seen so many “talented” guys…see our last 10 years of drafting turn out to be horrible football players.

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

New(er) poster here. First off, as I die-hard Bills fan this site is wonderful for in-depth analysis/news. Thank you for your coverage. That said, I do agree with the above poster who took issue with the “not overly talented” comment. It felt like a strange way to finish an otherwise positive write up. It sounds like you are referencing their lack of break-out speed, which I agree with. “Talent” is a broad-sweeping term. I guess if someone was critiquing my craft and said that I was not that talented, especially after they said I did a good job, it would feel like the proverbial pat on the top of the head. I would take offense.

by Mkas on Oct 11, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, no offense was meant. Really like the safety trio. Obviously.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 11, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like the way you used the word “trio.” JK : )
Admittedly, I split hairs a bit over semantics.

by Mkas on Oct 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I would really give the Defensive MVP to Wilson right now, not just because I am a Bills fan. This guy not only plays, he is an outstanding leader for this defense and sets an example how football should be played. This guy is extremely talented and one of the best Safeties right now in the game. Whitner may be more of a physical specimen but he can’t cover worth a lick, and never made plays on the ball. Wilson already has more INT’s this season than Whitner had in his whole Buffalo career

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I paused after reading the last line as well. If there is one thing I have learned from this blog it is that everyone defines “talent” differently. Many define “talent” as “speed, size, and strength” with speed being the most important attribute of “talent”. I, and some others look at those factors as just part of what makes up athleticism. I view “talent” as the ability to apply your skills, in this case athleticism, awareness, technique, and judgement in a manner that affords successful outcomes. I don’t think raw physical tools = talent. Of course, with all other things being equal, I would take the bigger, faster, stronger guy.

On a side note: You really need to turn ESPN off or you’ll blow a gasket. Remember, it is all Dallas, Philly, NYJ, NE, NYG all the time do to revenue. Big markets = more viewers = more $ for commercials. Don’t let it get you twisted.

by WhatGoesAround on Oct 11, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Im fine with it, b/c ill keep winning on bets if they do stupid things like favor the Giants by 6 haha. I know your right. And I guess it is better that we don’t get any pub, cuz last time we lost to cinci after we got just a taste of the spotlight

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes please enough with the lack of talent narrative

this is the most overused, and poorly thought out line in the world of sports…..

how many times did we have to hear how spiller had more talent but jackson
was crafty or tougher or something….

when it comes to sports talent, perhaps we need remember a guy by the name of
wayne gretzky…

not big, not tall, not real fast, not blessed with a rocket slap shot, kinda soft in the
corners……

he just happened to be the best player on the planet, for how many yrs?

by simonpure on Oct 11, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much my point. I don’t think Brian meant to mean offense, it’s just I read that and went off because I am really sick of this team being over looked because they’re not a big time market with big time first round picks. I’ll take these guys who play football the right way over the Aaron Maybins and mike williams, and all the other amazing first round talent we supposedly drafted.

by csc06258 on Oct 11, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Safeties Most Vital Position in 'New' NFL

With the spread offense becoming the norm in the NFL these days, it can be argued that safeties are the most important defensive position. You need players that can defend the run and pass since it’s likely you’ll be nickel most of the game. Teams try to run out of the spread exactly like the Bills do and unless you have a stud MLB and good safeties, you can get gashed. I think the difference in talent level between our safeties and the Eagles safeties was the major difference in the game. CBs get the big money but safeties should start getting their due! I’ve wished for a polamalu type player for years back there and I think Wilson/Byrd combine to give you that type of playmaking ability!

by Barman23 on Oct 11, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I think you’re absolutely right – especially guys like Bryan Scott who can line up all over the field without becoming disoriented / ineffective. It is amazing how he can play LB on one play, safety / slot corner the next…..

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, Scott has a cool role, and playing it well!

by dgrid on Oct 11, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow someone should tweet this story to Mr. Whitner

by telka on Oct 11, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s probably already read it.

by Pistol on Oct 11, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Donte Whitner who?

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Oct 11, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is this Whiffner you speak of?

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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 11, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA! That was good.

by telka on Oct 11, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whitner

Whitner is a different kind of safety. A guy who likes to hit, play the run. Wilson has always had the knack for pickoffs, maybe due to his earlier stint as a wide receiver. It’s actually kind of strange, generally the free safety gets better shots at interceptions with SS supporting the run defense. Wilson just has a knack for being in the right place at the right time!

by Coach Bob on Oct 11, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Byrd

I have been so impressed with Byrd’s sure tackling this year. I remember watching him miss tackles in his rookie season and wondering if he would ever be more than a ball hawk. I’m glad that he has developed into a great, all around safety. He is the most solid tackler of our defensive backs, and maybe the best on the team—ball handlers do not typically make it by him. I look forward to watching his continued improvement.

by ilikebills on Oct 11, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

ball handlers do not typically make it by him

Not only do they get past him, he makes them pay a price too. He is playing like a mobile cement wall right now.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 11, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Byrd is the word.....

I have been saying for 3years now, Byrd couldn’t be physical because of his injured groin. 3 surgeries later, and an offeseason, he trusts his body and, with a little luck, goes to the probowl.
Mr. Wilson, and Byrd the word are playing at a super high level right now. Great combination of talent, mental and physical training and confidence. They both give our defense an edge right now in playing the pass and run equally well.
Scott, of course is playing well as well.

Go Bills! Keep the blitz in the game plan!

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by podunkowego on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

i liked Whitner

and wanted him re-signed, but now seeing George Wilson play, wow, he’s on fire. I always will be in the side of give our first round picks every chance to succeed, but Wilson is playing better than Whitner and it’s not even close.

by Fernando brazil on Oct 11, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Can they take it to the next level?

The next level being Troy P and Ed Reed. I don’t know if the Bills defensive scheme would allow the “free lancing” done by the top two guys but would love to see Bird get the chance with Wilson and Scott having his back.

prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11

by jpheff on Oct 11, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Strong vs Free Safety

Seeing I have not been brought up on the game but joined it at a later age, Brian can you please explain some of the nuances between strong and free safety. Because it seems to me that Byrd and Wilson have abilities to play both positions and this versatility is helping in scheming etc.

by Billsdownunder on Oct 11, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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