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Hello Buffalo Bills fans! My name's Will, and I'm the unofficial representative of BBV and internet Giant Fans.

First the mandatory surprise about the Bills triumphs so far. I mean this with complete sincerity when I say Bills fans are the best football fans, always filling out the stadium and cheering when there's been little to cheer. I hope that the Bills can win every game they play after this Sunday.

Ask any and all questions about the New York Football Giants you have here and I and many other BBVers will do our best to answer them. Feel free to come over to BBV too.

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Random Stats that mean nothing on Sunday:

The Bills have a 6-4 regular season record vs the Giants with a 0-1 post season record.

Chan Gailey is 3-1 vs the Giants, in his two year stint with the Cowboys.

Tom Coughlin is 2-2 vs the Bills in the Regular season, and 1-0 in the playoffs, including his time with Jaguars.

Eli Manning is 1-0 vs the bills, even though he sucked real bad that game.

Ryan Fitzpatrick has never played the Giants.

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Will.......... we obviously can be rushed upon.....

……. but with injuries to your line and RBs, do you think the Giants can stick it into some holes?

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 11, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

No idea man

our O-line has been piss poor. Diehl in particular has been awful. Not sure about the status of our C and RG. Snee (the RG) had a concussion and was hospitalized so I highly doubt he’ll be playing, haven’t heard much about Baas.

Also don’t know about Jacobs.

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

simply no

unless the offensive line plays like they are possessed then Jackson will have a huge day.

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by nywins42 on Oct 12, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

soooo

the giants seem to be up and down. when they are up, they are a scary team. when down, well, they can lose to the likes of seattle. what do you see as the key to victory this sunday for the g-men? and do the bills have much to worry about from the giants fanbase? i dont think i have any knowledge as to how ‘rabid’ you guys are. thanks

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by captainStros on Oct 11, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much

The Giants have the capability to be awesome – anywhere. They also have the capability to suck real bad – anywhere.

The key to the game is keeping the turnovers down, and making sure batted passes don’t go into the Bill’s defenders hands. Last year we had a big problem with tipped balls almost always being intercepted instead of falling harmlessly, and the Bills seem to be awesome at the tip drill.

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

r u goin to the game?

.if u are u have nothing to worry about…. most of the fans in the stadium dont even stand up on 3rd down, especially at 1 o clock games.

by The Blood of Eli on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

most of the fans in the stadium dont even stand up on 3rd down, especially at 1 o clock games.

Is this because of the hangovers from Saturday night haha? If so, I recommend just getting drunk again as soon as you wake up!

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by poz on Oct 12, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

won't need to worry about the Giant crowd

the place only seems to be loud when everything is going great.
Keys to victory for the Giants…. protect Eli, protect the football, contain Jackson, pressure Fitzpatrick

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true for all new york sports

if the teams not a juggernaut, the fans will only support when the game’s going well.

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

jets fans resent that remark

as much as i cant stand them, their fans make noise no matter what

by The Blood of Eli on Oct 12, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

When they're good

I don’t remember, but in 2007 I bet they were plenty quiet.

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ab-so-freaking-lutely

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by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

very true

also with all the new stadiums in NY, the common fans (who are usually the loudest) get priced out.

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd say the Knicks crowds might buck that trend

the Garden has been known to rock, even tho lately there wasn’t much to rock about.

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by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's easier inside an arena though

Seattle wouldn’t be different than any other stadium noise wise if they didn’t design the stadium to increase noise levels.

But I’m biased, the only time I’ve been in MSG was during a Devils-Rangers game where we (the Devils) got out to a 3-0 lead :P

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by Willgfass on Oct 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh you joizey boys!

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by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Is Aaron Ross still the starter and is he still the man to target in the secondary?

2. How have your linebackers played this year?

3. We all know how good your DEs are at generating pressure, probably the best in the business, but does the pass rush come from the interior as well?

4. How often do the Giants use the tight end since Kevin Boss left?

5. Im in a minority of non-Giants fans who respects Eli Manning as one of the better QBs in the NFL. Are Giants fans up or down on him right now?

6. Do the Bills have to worry more about your running game or passing game?

Thanks for coming over and answering questions, much appreciated.

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by poz on Oct 11, 2011 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

1) Yes he is still starting, and he’s actually turned his play around. Not pro bowl level but decent.

2) They’ve played well. Boley’s finally been playing like the player we thought we were going to get when he signed in 09. With Goff out for the season, we have a difference in the base and nickel defenses. In the base 4-3, we have rookie Greg Jones play MLB. He’s been ok there. In our nickel package, we have our other Rookie Jacquain Williams, who’s also our fastest linebacker. Williams has been playing much more than Jones due to the offenses we’ve faced. He’s picked up tons of sacks. Our SLB is Kiwanuka. I like him there because it puts the best players on the field (with Osi and JPP at DE). On passing downs he goes back to the line and plays DE and DT.

3) I’ll defer this to someone else who watches the film more, but not really (so far). On passing downs, we’ll replace one or sometimes even both DTs with DEs. I like it as a change of pace, but sometimes it gets overused imo.

4) Funny you ask this. I love the Bossman, but his role in the passing game was really overstated. Last year he only caught 35 passes, and dropped tons. Where we miss him most is his run defense, which is top notch. Ballard has been a suitable replacement in the pass game with 10 receptions and 2 tds. Ironically, he was known as a blocking TE, which has been pretty meh so far. Definitely a big surprise at his receiving success.

5) You’re awesome in my book. New York fans are fickle. If he’s winning the game, he’s teh bestest evar, when the Giants lose, he’s the over rated goofy looking brother. No middleground.
I love him and Eli is far from the Giant’s problems.

6) lol worry about our running game. We’ve averaged less than 4 ypc rushing, and something like 80 yards per game. Our o-line’s been pretty terrible, and not opening up running lanes. Until the last game, it’s been decent enough in pass protection, but last week they were horrible in all aspects. I wouldn’t be surprised if your (as I understand) anemic pass rush finally found what to do.

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if your (as I understand) anemic pass rush finally found what to do.

We have some players seeing the field and are growing as a unit getting good push up the middle and disrupting the play on the inside edge, coupled with blitz packages we introduced last week that pressured Vick into 4 picks, I think we might just show up against the Giants, and if they aren’t doing well, it might be a long day for Eli & Co

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by killascript on Oct 11, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Eagles game is why I put a qualifier in that statement

but to be fair, the Eagle’s line has been pretty bad and they had their best OL player out too.
Doesn’t help much considering our best OLer will probably be out too.

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our schemes were painfully vanilla the first three weeks. In the last two, they’ve dialed up the pressure and the results have been for the most part positive. I wouldn’t be surprised if Eli is under at least a little pressure this weekend.

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by stetzwebs on Oct 11, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither would I

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

eli has been under pressure all year long

i cant remember a season when he has been hit so much….

by The Blood of Eli on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then here’s to hoping that trend continues on Sunday :)

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by stetzwebs on Oct 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

i will say this…. he can beat u on the blitz, especially with our new trio of wrs playing so well right now

by The Blood of Eli on Oct 12, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you sir!

great answers, appreciated.

number 6 kind of makes me sad because I really loved those Brandon Jacobs centered Giants teams where you have a guy as big as a defensive end bowling over guys after Madison Hedgecock plowed the road for him. Im not complaining this Sunday obviously !

Interesting on Kevin Boss, I guess the impression was that he was a major part of the offense as a receiver, definitely changes things knowing that he really wasnt that big of an Eli target.

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by poz on Oct 12, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea we all love when Big Boy is plowing guys over

unfortunately there’s been no holes to do so so far this season. add to that that we’ve got a rookie fullback still learning his way, those holes are unfortunately smaller.

well, fortunately for you. :)

yeah, basically TE’s can be interchangeable in a tom coughlin offense. he’d rather they stay in and block anyway. i’d even venture to say Shockey prolly lost about 10 catches a year under this offense, and it was centered around him(and Plax)

moreso than losing the catches, we’re losing the blocking ability of the Bossman. btw, is poz short for posluzny? how do y’all feel about losing him this offseason? and what are your linebackers looking like w/o him?

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by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Poz had his Nick for Pozluzny, he was a bit cut when he went, however the play of Barnett has likely softened the blow – right Poz ??

Our LBs are looking decent / respectable overall – which is a great improvement over recent years ! We especially look solid on the inside. Outside, not too bad, but not as good as inside.

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by Will G on Oct 14, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

For number 3

Its situational. Most of the time, you can see them trying to take on a couple blockers or at least disrupt the offensive tackles and let Pierre-Paul and Osi go buckwild.
There will be some times where JPP and a few others will stunt with the DTs. Both Canty and Joseph are very good at getting penetration, and both are VERY good run defenders. Where we struggle in run defense is on the edges. Usually, JPP will get trapped inside to allow the edge on his side, or Osi will overshoot his edge and lose contain. Add that to the inability of our LBs to help come down and seal those edges and come off blocks, and that’s why our run D struggles.

Sorry I went off topic, but yes, you can count on our interior DL getting pressure.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 12, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or holding

cough cough long marshawn lynch run…

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

great stuff

thanks BigBlue, didnt think Canty was doing much for you guys but I guess that might just be my buddy who’s a Giants fan whining about everything

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by poz on Oct 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

we Giants fans enjoy a fine whine as much as anybody :)

He’s the unsung hero of our DL, because he’s the one making sure our DE’s consistently get one on one’s

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

wouldnt have expected Canty to be commanding so much attention from blockers. Dallas’ loss I guess :)

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by poz on Oct 13, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad question Poz.
6. Do the Bills have to worry more about your running game or passing game?

Thanks for coming over and answering questions, much appreciated

The way we have been giving up yards on the edge, Bradshaw could rack up 150+ yards no prob.

The way we have been getting picks, Eli could gift wrap 4 for a Bills win ala Brady and Vick.

That question was a no brainer.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going to be fun. Our strengths vs your strengths

Our weakness vs yours…

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

is it?
That question was a no brainer.

Boy, I dont think so.

We’ve given up 1417 yards with 10 touchdowns through the air in 5 games and 692 yards and 5 touchdowns on the ground.

You take away week 1 when Matt Cassel was absolutely owned and those numbers look even worse. Our defense has given up the following to passers after Cassel:

323 yards to Jason Campbell!
387 yards to Tom Brady
287 yards to Andy friggin Dalton!
315 yards to Mike Vick

Given the Giants offensive line problems in run blocking and our inability to stop passers from throwing all over us and your banking on quite a bit for picks. You toss in Eli Manning is a Super Bowl winner who has Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz and Mario Manningham to throw to and I think its a great question

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by poz on Oct 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve given up 1417 yards with 10 touchdowns through the air in 5 games and 692 yards and 5 touchdowns on the ground.

That’s almost 300 yds passing a game and almost 140 yds on the ground a game.

BUT……

The KC game skews the stats abit, because they got behind so quickly, so there is more passing yards than rushing.

Pretty much 90% of the big runs were on the edge, Bradshaw is an edge runner, Jacobs, the hammer between the tackles probably won’t even play, so more carries for Bradshaw to exploit our lousy edge defense in the run game.

We get picks, Eli likes to throw picks. If Brady and QB Dog Killer can throw 4 picks in a game, so can Eli.

Bradshaw is the bigger threat, especially with McGee coming back.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

see?

it wasnt a bad question, we just a pretty good debate on it right there haha :)

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by poz on Oct 13, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually you have the RB's backwards

While it would seem that the 265lb Jacobs would be the between-the-tackles runner, he actually does most of his damage running outside. This gets him away from the LOS clutter that tends to trip him up, while letting him keep his momentum and give DB’s nightmares.

Bradshaw, on the other hand, is better between the tackles because of his compact build, surprising strength, agility, and determined running style.

The wildcards here being DJ Ware and Da’Rel Scott. Ware is a versatile runner who runs hard and has soft hands. Scott is a 215lb speed freak (). However, he hasn’t played yet. Is this the week they give him a shot? No clue.

Now, if whether Eli throws picks or not remains to be seen. IMO, after last game, he will go back to being as careful with the ball as he was against Philly.

Question of my own: How much has Buffalo relied on blitzes? (Eli has been deadly against them).

by Raptor22 on Oct 13, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much has Buffalo relied on blitzes?

Not much, last week was the first time this season, they upped the blitzing, before last week. we seemed mostly content with ruahing 3 and sitting back in coverage.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 13, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed…until last week, we didn’t really blitz at all the entire season.

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by stetzwebs on Oct 13, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli's INT's last week were not what they appear on the stat sheet

INT # 1: A horrible first half duck that was totally on Eli

INT # 2: 90 or so seconds left, threw to an open Victor Cruz from about the 10 or 11 in the Seattle red zone. Cruz is running a quick inside slant from the slot and slips on his cut. It’s a timing pass, Cruz is open, slips after the ball is in the air, can’t quite reach the ball, tries to bat it to catch it. Bad idea. This is at the 6 yard line in a crowded space. INT. Pick 6. Game over. But the pass from Eli was a quick timing read and Cruz was open when the ball was released.

INT #3: About 30 seconds left, Giants now down 11 after the pick 6 from INT # 2. Eli throws up a prayer from his own 25 or so. INT, the defense is playing deep with back to prevent a big play.

In those situations, I put only the first INT on Eli. He has been much much more careful about forcing the ball this year, taking some more sacks instead. But when a young hot player bats up a ball in traffic inside the 10 in the red zone after slipping on his route, what are you gonna do?

@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 13, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur with this

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by Willgfass on Oct 13, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody.

Don’t forget to “Rec” this FanPost to keep it at the top.

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by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 11, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And holy crap

how many recs do you need to get up there? 19, 24, and 32 recs? that’s ridiculous!

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could say we get a little bit of traffic on here.

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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 11, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only time I've seen that many recs

are for bad photoshops on AmazinAvenue

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, that is because your boards have no Abayarde!

by Ian MacPersonoid on Oct 12, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still waiting for his post about this week.

Where are you Abayarde?!

by TimEllis on Oct 12, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh we have guys like him

Every board has to haha

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 12, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

15

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 12, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL… :)

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by blknites on Oct 12, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tommy Kelly

How many reps did he usually get? How much will his absence hurt the (already struggling) run D? Thanks in advance.

by usuo mojinga on Oct 12, 2011 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

There is no Tommy Kelly on the Giants, haha

If you mean Jimmy Kennedy, he was our 4th DT. He played well when he did, but it just hurts the depth.

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Brain failed me there.

by usuo mojinga on Oct 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz

To be fair to Fitz the Giants have never played against Fitz, and Chan’s getting ready to be 4-1 career against Giants! Go Bill’s! But seriously, I’ve got nothing to say but hope you handle losing to Bill’s better than I handled SB lose to Giants! Go Bill’s!!!! And good luck after this upcoming game sir:)

by buffalobacker on Oct 12, 2011 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

does that wide right keep you up at nights?

hehehe, that was a rough stretch y’all had in the early 90’s. i used to hate you guys back then, you were so good. impossible to keep down.

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by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

So whats up with the Giants this year and can they turn their problems around

Do you think they can challenge the Redskins because I dont really think the Skins are that good

by mississippisaintsfan on Oct 12, 2011 2:36 AM EDT reply actions  

The Giants will challenge the Redskins for the east...

I am also expecting Philly to go on a run soon that will put them right back in the middle of things.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 12, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think every team in the East has a chance

even the Eagles. I won’t count them out until they lose 7 games.

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

biggest problems are OLine

and defense against the run. Can they turn them around… maybe… but they are lucky to be in this years NFC East, it is wide open for all 4 teams.

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Running game

I’ve had Bradshaw on my fantasy team the past two years and it seems he’s still running the ball well but just having his touches a bit limited. I like Jacobs in short yardage, and I understand resting Bradshaw a series here or there, but do Giants fans think Jacobs takes too many carries from Bradshaw? He only gets half the touches Bradshaw does but Ahmad averages a full yard more per carry behind the same line and is obviously a bigger threat for big plays out of the backfield.

by BillsThickNThin on Oct 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

these season has a bit of a bizarro world feel to it.

AB n BJ have always kept each other fresh, that aloud them to gash Ds late in games. This yr they’re not getting that many carries due to the poor line play…. If the oline ever gets it together again it would be alot more of BJ softening up ( sorry) the D for AB to exploit later.

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by Troy O on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

To add to what Troy O said

Both Jacobs and Bradshaw have been catching the ball real well this year and each has at least one receiving TD.

Let's Go Giants!

by BB1156 on Oct 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giant fans thinks Jacobs doesn't get ENOUGH carries in this offense

we’d actually like him to touch it more. this year is an aberration, his career YPC are great, and last year he was only second to Jamaal Charles.

hell, there’s a poster known as FREEBRADSHAW who even says Big Boy needs more touches!

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by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Week 8 or 9 with any luck

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..

by Troy O on Oct 12, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

after the bye, which is next week for the Giants

he just started doing individual drills on the sideline during practice today

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a understatement
Eli Manning is 1-0 vs the bills, even though he sucked real bad that game

words can’t describe how bad he was. He threw only one good pass the whole game… and Steve Smith dropped it

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Bardshaw saved us in that game

AB’s 80 yard run saved us from losing that game at Buffalo in 2007. It is the victory in this game that helped securing a post season spot for us that year which led us to winning the superbowl.

Let's Go Giants!

by BB1156 on Oct 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

AB’s run was huge but they were winning the game when it happend. It took a lot to win that game… Jacobs’ big TD runs, Toomer’s 100 yards receiving and a couple defensive TDs. Loved every minute of that game, even sitting though that rain/snow.

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always liked Amani Toomer.

Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!

by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

who doesn't?

oh thats right…. fans in Philly, Dallas, New England, etc. lol

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh

even those fans respected toomer. he played the game the right way. the way we respect the jason wittens is the way they respected the amani toomers.

by The Blood of Eli on Oct 14, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point

I used hated in the sense of Amani having big games against those teams, a opposing fan hated seeing that, but respected him as a person and player. And I agree with Witten, he is a class player

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 14, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Toom was the man!

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 13, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

....Amani Toomer

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Oct 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

but he made some great catches out of Eli’s lame ducks that day, more credit to Amani on those then Eli

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha sorry for the miscommunication

but i was more responding to your name being “the always well dressed….” with “…Amani Toomer” as I assume your going with his nickname? It just seemed like your screen name is begging someone to finish that sentence for you haha

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad

I had a feeling you may of meant that too… and yes, it is for Toomer, my favorite all-time Giant. “It’s not a Toomer” as stated below, was already taken, lol

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

“It’s not a Toomer!”

-former California Gubernator

by Munchausen on Oct 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

my brother always said that too

and whenever Hillard made a play, he would scream
“hit Me Again Ike And This Time Put Some STANK On It!!"

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 14, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am impressed with the people that come here

I find this blog (I have been to this page only) as very civilized and educated. I guess I have been used to some of the Eagles and Cowboys fans.

Good job Buffalo Bills fans.

Let's Go Giants!

by BB1156 on Oct 12, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

May I add that us Giants fans usually root for you guys, considering you're in the same

division as the Jest and Patsies.

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 12, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Stevie Johnson on my team

he’s underperforming the last two weeks. Here’s to one more hopefully…

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 12, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

BBI – I see your inputs a lot over at MTD.

Steve Johnson has a groin injury that is reducing his usual shifty route-running. No word yet this week on how it is feeling.

.

When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 12, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I love talking draft haha

Gotcha on Stevie…….:(

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh there he is

Abayarde awakens and has spoken the truth

I’ll wait until you say something sig worthy

by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Oct 12, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

“UNLEASH THE CRACKEN!”

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 12, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sen It to a Galaxy far beyon Obiblion

The next discovered anything in the sky must be named “Obiblion.”

As a matter of fact, my kids enjoy writing fiction stories and they’re always trying to come up with place names. Next time they ask me for a suggestion, “Obiblion” it is.

Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!

by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

“…The Whagon Blasters. Like a Buffalo with a Demon inside.”

Awesome.

by dinendal7 on Oct 13, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's alot of periods

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

my God. Hammer of Soul Collectors.....

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

that sounds so...epically eternal

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 13, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

@awesome

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

&@awesome

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't get to work

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

has to end with the "@" as well

like this —> @ awesome @

but without the space between the @ and the words.

like this

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Oct 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

@ awesome @

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hooray

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha nice

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the help

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Oct 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obiblion is now part of my lexicon. Lol!

by liquid! on Oct 12, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Obiblion n. Last intergalactic stop before the Abayarde Soulyard.

.

When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 12, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jeez, by the time I get here all the other BBV's have answered all the questions

Guess I’ll go chuck some rocks or something.

@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 12, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahahahahhaaha

Is Victor Cruz better than Mario Manningham? There is one for ya

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Oct 12, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not yet, but he could get there

They’re both similar in that they both have excellent elusiveness after the catch to create a big play with YAC.

Manningham’s trouble seems to be his ability to make the same reads of the defense so that he runs the route Eli expects. It happens a fair amount that Eli throws the ball to a spot where he expects MM to be, but MM cuts in another direction. This is because the offense has built into it hot reads based on the defense. MM just doesn’t see things consistently the way Eli sees them.

That said, MM can go into beast mode any time.

Cruz is still learning and is a wild ride of rookie type mistakes and awesome potential. True, he’s not a true rookie but he was on IR last year for his rookie season so he may as well be one.

Giants fans are falling in love with Cruz but MM caught for 900 yards last year and almost all of his TD’s are on big plays. So they’re both pretty potent weapons. Cruz may have a slight edge catching in traffic but both can get better running routes.

How'd I do? :-)

@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 12, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I have Manningham on my fantasy team so tell him he can have this week off but after this I want to see Calvin Johnson type numbers; who coincidentally is also on my fantasy team (along with Larry Fitzgerald). Yes I’m deep at WR but crap at QB and RB.

by Morningw00d on Oct 12, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

um, that's quite a nick name you got for yourself there. . . btw

glad you don't have an avatar to match it

@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 12, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

lol

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 13, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I had an avatar

It would be of the sign on the apartment building in the movie Office Space. It was my inspiration :)

by Morningw00d on Oct 13, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 13, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually do this on these threads. Here's two "x-factors" to the game

For the Bills: Chris Hairston, your OT. If he plays well, your offense should be okay. I think its necessary that he plays well, though, because if he isn’t up to snuff, he is playing up against Osi Umenyiora (who has 4 sacks in 2 games) or Jason Pierre-Paul (7 sacks this year). Both are playing out of their minds, right now, so I’d expect you guys to be in max protect for some time. Make sure you have someone chip whoever Hairston is on. Our defense is keyed by the pass rush. Take that away, and its curtains for us.

For the Giants: Jacquain Williams, our nickel LB. He’s a rookie, and most people don’t know him, but he’s been our most productive draft pick thus far. He comes in more often than not and has gotten a ton of snaps. He’s our fastest linebacker and has been able to run with Michael Vick and has been able to cover receivers in the slot. He is going to be our biggest weapon against Fred Jackson. If he’s on his game, he has an outside chance to help limit the damage.

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

good points BBI

altho i’d actually suggest Jones may be more important than Williams this week. if he’s in there on run downs, his nose for the runner may be of utmost importance. this may be his coming out party – if he’s out there.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 13, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps, though like you hinted, I've been seeing him less and less

Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese

"how the f*** do the giants with 6 starters out comeback while the eagles give up 21 2nd half points to the worst offense in the nfl…" -XxActionJacksonxX

"Heart" - PhiladelphiaEagles

by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 13, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this point will be one to watch during the game.
so I’d expect you guys to be in max protect for some time. Make sure you have someone chip whoever Hairston is on.

We usually don’t help the tackles much, even against elite pass-rushers. This will be an interesting battle to watch during the game for sure.

Gailey will use chips to help out the Tackles, but generally he just uses screens and draws to help slow down an intense pass-rush, similar to the Philly game. We may go a little more 1 TE sets this week though with our thinned out WR corp, but I wouldn’t expect it.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Oct 13, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing I just read on NFL.com

Bucky Brooks has an X-Factor article and he called Demetrius Bell an X-Factor this week, totally oblivious to Bell being hurt and not practicing for two weeks. Didn’t even mention an injury, the dude has no business as a journo. Hairston was good last week, didn’t hear his name called at all and although I didn’t specifically notice it I’m sure Philly put Babin over there to try and exploit him.

by BillsThickNThin on Oct 13, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's embarrassing

It’s the same thing when the talking heads call David Nelson a TE…. he’s a freakin slot receiver….

I’ll wait until you say something sig worthy

by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Oct 13, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question:

Does Eli Manning throw rocks at airplanes?

by Morningw00d on Oct 13, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Wish he had that strong of an arm? He does have a few TD’s this year over 20 yards. I rather he throw TD’s. Does Fitz throw at airplanes?

by Giantstep on Oct 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz went to Harvard. I’m sure he knows that he can’t throw that high.

by Morningw00d on Oct 13, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

that’s the problem with Eli…he thinks he can actually hit the plane

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

MAKE IT WORK!!!

by nywins42 on Oct 13, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

He throws rocks at Blimps

(inside reference ftw)

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Oct 13, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

How has the Giants secondary play been so far? Especially safeties, we didn’t take any shots down field last week due to the Eagles secondary, seeing if there is a chance of it this week.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Oct 13, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually just did a fan post on this at BBV.

Link.

@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.

by AJ_in_VA on Oct 13, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends which defense shows this week.

by Giantstep on Oct 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

wildcat

Bills like to run the wildcat in short yardage, how have the Giants fared versus this formation in the past?

by nwobigboy on Oct 14, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I would equate the wildcat to facing Vick everytime

Except Vick>Wildcat

And considering how often they see him and how they manhandled him 3 weeks ago, I don’t see the wildcat as something the Giants will fear.

They just need to be prepared when they see it.

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Oct 14, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bills have used Wildcat not as a big-play weapon but to keep the chains moving. So far, Brad Smith has been pretty good at picking up 3rd and short out of the Wildcat.

Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!

by thefourwinds on Oct 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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