Bills 31, Eagles 24: Notes From The O-Line, Week 5
Apparently, a majority of Rumblers want our line reviews to continue, regardless of the availability of data produced by professional sites. It boggles my mind to hear that those sites don't have access to coach's tape; what we see on TV isn't - in my view- sufficient enough to allow the level of precision necessary to get much more in depth than the grading system I've used.
That doesn't mean that change isn't coming to my grading system. I've still got to re-work the Excel spreadsheets I use for calculations, but I've got a direction I think I want to go based in part on reader input. I'll go into more detail when I've got it up and running (hopefully for next week; after the bye at the latest), but the broad strokes are that I'm looking to weigh killed plays and plays in which an offensive lineman does something remarkable that also springs the play more heavily. But we'll cover that next week. Let's get to the normal review.
I had anticipated that the Philadelphia Eagles would pressure the Buffalo Bills' offense. I was badly mistaken. The Eagles stacked the box on 5-of-34 (14.7%) run plays and blitzed only 5-of-29 (17.2%) pass plays. Philly gave up just 12 rushing yards and a score when they stacked the box. The blitz plays limited the Bills to four completions for 18 yards and two first downs, one of which came on a defensive penalty.
Pressure worked, but Juan Castillo didn't choose to employ it. Instead, the Eagles largely chose to rush four and sit back to await an underneath throw by Ryan Fitzpatrick. Buffalo's unwillingness (or inability) to stretch the defense allowed the Eagles to anticipate the short routes and force punts. Perhaps Chan Gailey didn't want to tempt fate by throwing at some of the best cornerbacks in the league; maybe the Bills are really predictable and crippled at receiver right now. Whatever the reason, the screen plays, shovel passes and so on were compromised by the fact that the Eagles didn't over-commit to pressuring the Bills.
| Run Direction Success, Week 5 | |||
| Gap | Att | Yds | YPA |
| Left C | 8 | 32 | 4.0 |
| Left B | 3 | 4 | 1.3 |
| A | 7 | 46 | 6.6 |
| Right B | 7 | 21 | 3.0 |
| Right C | 9 | 43 | 4.8 |
The Bills were successful running the ball, due in no small part to Fred Jackson's ability to shake off tackles. He managed to routinely make run-filling safeties look foolish, and broke more tackles once he was past the line of scrimmage. The line certainly opened holes for Jackson to exploit, but many running backs would have exited the game with far fewer yards.
| Individual Run Grades - Week 5 | |||||
| Player | Good | Decent | Bad | Killed | Grade |
| Hairston, C. | 2 | 29 | 3 | 1 | 74.4% |
| Levitre, A. | 9 | 22 | 3 | 0 | 78.5% |
| Wood, E. | 11 | 19 | 4 | 0 | 79.1% |
| Urbik, K. | 5 | 24 | 5 | 1 | 75.0% |
| Pears, E. | 7 | 25 | 2 | 1 | 77.9% |
I did start to keep track of plays where lineman did a good job of executing their assignments and sprang plays. Chris Hairston and Andy Levitre had one each, while Eric Wood had two. As you can see in the chart, Hairston, Kraig Urbik and Erik Pears each killed run plays. I'm taking suggestions as to how to weigh those plays.
Moving on: Wood, Levitre and Pears were very good on run plays. Hairston, in his first extended action, did reasonably well for a rookie - with the caveat that the Eagles weren't loading the box. Urbik wasn't impressive on run plays in his return to action. The Giants figure to provide a sterner test.
| Individual Pass Grades, Week 5 | |||||||
| Player | Good | Decent | Bad | Killed | Sack | Help | Grade |
| Hairston, C. | 2 | 23 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 73.6% |
| Levitre, A. | 3 | 24 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 75.7% |
| Wood, E | 4 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 77.8% |
| Urbik, K. | 3 | 24 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 75.7% |
| Pears, E. | 1 | 24 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 72.9% |
The Eagles relied primarily on their front four to generate pressure on pass plays. The Bills responded by routinely sending out five receiving options. Hairston got a little bit of help in the form of chips by the running back on the defensive end, but he was typically left to block his man. For a rookie, again, he had a respectable performance. He did kill a play - and a drive - by allowing a hit on Fitzpatrick while he was in the throwing motion. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills give him a little more help next week. The number of good plays is a function of the number of short passes and screens, which allowed the linemen to get downfield and take the battle to the defenders.
Three drives ended in the promised land. Ruvell Martin killed the second drive by falling down, which could easily have resulted in an interception instead of a punt. Brad Smith killed the fourth drive with his negative rush on second down - when he could have plowed ahead for at least two yards if he hadn't danced around in the backfield. Fitzpatrick killed the fifth drive, but Philly's bumbling kept that pick from turning into points for the opposition. Hairston killed the seventh drive. Pears missed a block on the eighth drive. Fitzpatrick took a sack on the ninth drive, but he had over five seconds to get the ball out of his hands. On the tenth drive, Fitzpatrick had time and space (and all of the defenders ahead of him) to hang on to the ball for another second and find a receiver beyond the line to gain instead of dumping it off to Stevie Johnson underneath. The eleventh drive ended the game, courtesy of a boneheaded mistake by Philadelphia.
On a personal note, I tend to work from 7-7 MST, so my ability to respond to questions and comments is sporadic at best. If I don't reply in a timely manner, it's not that I'm not interested, but instead that those little timestamps on our comments could come back to haunt me at some point in the future. If I'd been smart enough to name myself Ron From Somewhere or not wear my Bills gear at work or post my actual picture, I might be able to comment throughout the day with impunity...
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what you provide
what we see on TV isn’t – in my view- sufficient enough to allow the level of precision necessary to get much more in depth than the grading system I’ve used.
Is amazing by any measure. The fact that you do it AND work 7-7MST is even more astounding.
I learn from your analysis in its current form and surely would continue to whether or not the criteria somehow changes. Hard to imagine “better”.
All I can say is I appreciate your effort and what ever you bring us I’m sure will continue to be some of the best data and insight anywhere
Thanks Ron.
This team is making me skeptical of my skepticism- putting the crow in the oven to slow roast.
Awesome Ron
if it were up to me your system would stay as is. It has been relatively the same for years now and because of that, it gives me a familiarity when reading and looking at your stats that makes this a very accessible column. I suppose I understand that as the readership grows, the number will increase who do not feel that accessibility but I hope you do not look for a complete overhaul but rather some tweaks here and there.
I think your assessment of Hairston is spot on. Commendable job for a rookie with some times when we showed off some very impressive power but he had his share of mistakes that cost us a little bit.
Im a bit suprised that Pears’ grade in pass blocking is as low as you have it, I had thought he was doing a job of neutralizing Babin but as in the past, I trust your analysis considering the depth at which you look at the oline.
Im glad to see your notes on Eric Wood, he has been getting some fan flack as a guy who has been making mistakes but he more often is the guy making a huge block to spring Fred free. I like what our interior has done this year and thought Levitre and Urbik in particular were having good games.
Did anyone else catch the job Levitre and Urbik did on that big 60 yard Fred Jackson screen pass? It was sweet! Both got way out in front of Jackson and Urbik removes the first defender from the play followed by Levitre absolutely belly flopping himself on what was a DB or LB I couldnt quite tell. It allowed Jackson to get off to the races and it was really cool to see these big boys just flattening people.
Is it just me, or does Levitre look bigger than last year?
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While Gailey likes bigger linemen it’s worth noting that Levitre was able to get so far downfield on that play because he’s only (?) 300 pounds. I suspect that Gailey may be tinkering with tailoring some plays to his particular linemen—some that require bulldozing behemoths and some that require a bit more quickness.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent
that our line is so big we can say that Levitre is “only 300”, love that!
Speaking of bulldozing and quickness, are you able to comment after a game and half on Chris Hairston’s footwork and athleticism? Based on my observations, I found he looked strong and big but ALSO displayed decent athleticism – more than I would have expected. Your thoughts?
Also, feel better Ron.
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Nope, I refrain from getting too technical because I don’t have the angles to do it with any consistency. Overall, Hairston did an okay job staying in front of signficantly smaller DEs. He wasn’t quick enough to deal with some spin moves and his killed play came when the DE spun away from a chip and back to the inside.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Oct 12, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Poz, my guess is that we won’t really know what he have in Hairston until he gets the chance to build up his lower body in the offseason conditioning program and also gets the benefit of coaching in OTA’s and mini-camps. It’s important to remember that he missed much of training camp this year with an injury. And so just as I have insisted that we wait for Bell to get fully in shape before reaching any firm conclusions about him (he has looked pretty good this year playing at 316 and being in condition) we should do the same with Hairston. What we are seeing now is a preview, but not the real thing.
I FORGOT that Hairston was hurt!
And in fact the memory cells are still fuzzy. Do you recall what the injury was? Totally forgot that, good point. That actually makes this a bit more impressive then.
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I don’t recall his injury, but I do remember that he missed half of training camp. He was not out there any of the times I went. As for his showing last week, I thought he looked lost on a number of plays (which you would expect on his first outing), and he did seem to me overpowered on others. So I wouldn’t call it “impressive.” Rather, I would say that he did fine given the circumstances.
agreed on all points
but I think for a first time start at a position he wasnt expected to play as a rookie it was impressive. That doesnt necessarily equate to good but considering my expectations, I’m more than happy. Though we dodged a bullet with Trent Cole out….
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Yeah, at such a hard position to play well at (see: all the teams struggling to find a good OT this year), he was definitely impressive in his first start. I’m excited to see how much he can improve, as I have been since the draft.
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I think Ron's grade on Pears is pretty spot on
Im a bit suprised that Pears’ grade in pass blocking is as low as you have it, I had thought he was doing a job of neutralizing Babin but as in the past, I trust your analysis considering the depth at which you look at the oline.
I just got to re-watch the game on NFL Network and during it you could see Pears was hanging on for dear life against Babin quite a few times. There were a few times he was bull-rushed back into Fitz forcing him to alter his throw a bit. While he had his hands full, I still give him credit for a very difficult assingment.
I was curious about some of the run blocking schemes that left Babin un-blocked. He tracked quite a few of those plays down from behind, though they were still positive runs.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
interesting
yea I expected him to be over-matched, as you said though, given his assignment he did the job. Interesting point regarding the running plays. Did Pears move up the field on those plays?
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He did move up to get a LB or DT. They weren’t blown assignments, just what the scheme called for.
It’s not unusual for backside DE’s to be left unblocked, but I assumed after he tracked a few down they would change it up a bit. It’s probably nitpicking though since most of those runs were still succesful.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
Did anyone else catch the job Levitre and Urbik did on that big 60 yard Fred Jackson screen pass?
Sure did, I think it was a DB that Levitre blew up. Not sure if Levitre is bigger, but he plays big and mean, and he plays right to the whistle.
Really encouraged by the performance of Chris Hairston!!
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 12, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
what was most encouraging to me about that play
is that if you watch the preseason film the offensive line was whiffing on those screen blocks in open space regularly capping those plays for short gains.
Either they were masking things in preseason or Chan Gailey saw the major problem and coached the hell out of these guys.
And Chris Hairston has flashed some serious promise. And just like that, no matter what decision is made at OT when Bell returns, the Bills have OT depth. This is why I got excited when Chan committed to giving Hairston LT reps late in the off-season but the depth is has provided is better than I hoped!
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Some fascinating insights here
It looks like the biggest problem for the Eagles is Castillo. Switching him from o-line coach and sticking with him may cost Andy Reid his job. Hard to figure why Reid would ever do that given all his experience.
One comment on the OT’s. Given the nature of their position, they will inevitably have more bad and killed plays on pass protection than the interior linemen. It’s important to keep that in mind when evaluating Ron’s figures.
OTs tend to be left on islands moreso than interior linemen. Of course, RBs aren’t assigned to chip guys in the interior….not that Gailey has opted to have RBs help out the OTs all that much. The line does sometimes slant protection one way or the other which helps out one OT.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Oct 12, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But wouldn’t you agree that the nature of the position does make an OT more vulnerable to bad or killed plays on pass pro? It’s not that the guys in the interior can’t have bad plays, but, as you say, they are much less likely to be left on an island.
Absolutely, particularly since Gailey doesn’t like to help the OTs with RBs or TEs very often. I’ve got the RB/TE chipping the OT’s guy a total of 17 times this year (only half of the Chiefs game was available). The OTs are definitely expected to handle guys one-on-one in Gailey’s offense.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
Either way you slice this one thing is glaringly obvious.
This units play leads directly to the success of Fred Jackson. I am not a dime a dozen RB fan, I believe Fred’s ability as a RB contributes directly to his success as well which with the two combined puts Fred right where he should be. Things are gelling real good in the running game and the short passing and crossing routes.
The passing game is a little confusing to me. We have not stretched the field much recently. This could very well be by design as Fitz is repeatedly going with what the defense is giving him. As long as his completion percentage is above 60% things are still good and to some extent getting better with the repeated attempts for the receivers and Fitz. Still stretching the field has to be a concern in the long haul and these receivers will have to step up and make a play if and when we do go deep. If Fitz is going to go deep we need to make the play. I attribute this to both, Fitz and the target. They can not be wasted plays or they will not be taken seriously. Still this unit is performing against very good competition in the last month.
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Random question
I’ve got a random question that’s more about the D-Line than the O-Line, but I thought I’d ask it here anyway.
On the game-clinching 4th down penalty this week, according to the NFL Game Book, the Eagles were called for a Neutral Zone Infraction (page 11 here).
What’s the difference between a “Neutral Zone Infraction” by the Defense and “Encroachment”?
Here are the 2 definitions according to Wikipedia, see if you can tell which is which, and what the difference is:
Before the snap, a defensive player illegally crosses the line of scrimmage and makes contact with an opponent or has a clear path to the quarterback. In high school, this includes any crossing of the neutral zone by the defense, whether contact is made or not. The play is not allowed to begin.
Before the snap, a defensive player (most often a lineman) jumps into the neutral zone and “startles” an offensive player, causing him to false start.
The Difference I think
is Encroachment, the Defensive player makes CONTACT with the offensive player, thus stopping the play.
Nuetral Zone Infraction has TWO possible results. 1. Defensive player “jumps” into the nuetral zone and none of the offensive players react. The deffensive player has a chance to get back on “his side” before the ball is snapped. However, Centers are taught to snap the ball if they ever see a defensive player “jump” into the nuetral zone. At this point, the play is still live, and a lot of times it will be called a “free play.” At worst the offense gets 5 yards for the penalty, but they can also decline the penalty if the result of the play is better.
Result 2 is what happend during the end of the Bills game. If a defensive player “jumps” into the nuetral zone thus causing an offensive player to “react” the play is blown dead and called a “nuetral zone infraction”
Hope this helped.
That makes sense...
…especially the part about whether or not there was contact.
Thanks!
I believe the referees have the discretion to blow a play dead if a defender is offisdes and in all likelihood is going to hit the QB. That’s what I take the phrase “unabated to the QB” to mean.
If a defender has a foot in the neutral zone, but is not advancing towards the QB at the snap or an OL is between him and the QB, I believe this would be offsides.
The second one is the “neutral zone infraction”, the first encroachment.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 12, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Play Action?
One thing the Best offesive teams use very well is play action. Green Bay, New England, NO, and as we will soon see, the Giants use the play action well for big plays. Having one of the better run games in the NFL, I don’t see the Bills working off play action to set up deep throws. Although, I find it hard to complain about current production.
About the O-Line, they all play a nasty brand of football. I love it. Seeing Wood drive block on Smiths Wild Cat touchdown run gives me hope that this is a real playoff team. You cant fake that.
Irony
People were griping almost immediately that Buffalo never used play action. On the second pass of the game, Fitz faked handing the ball to Jackson and threw a screen to Jones. It was a pretty lame excuse for play action as Fitz seemed to just be going through the (abbreviated) motion. Maybe the Bills don’t do it because Fitz isn’t very good at it?
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Oct 12, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Point
Maybe as fans we dont understand that using play action is more of a Skill than it looks. The RB, Line, and QB have to sell run to the D. I love the screen game with Jackson, but I fear if the Bills cant keep Defenses honest, our offense will look more and more what we saw in the 4th QTR of Sundays Game.
Ron, in the KC game, Fitz had a couple of very successful PA completions to Chandler.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe we dont see much playaction
because Chan doesnt quite trust the offensive line enough yet. You might have noticed the Bills dont utilize the deep ball all that much either – this too, in my opinion, is because Chan doesnt quite trust the offensive line yet. A big part of our lines success in the passing game is the solid job they are doing in pass protect but also the quick, timing release game that Fitzpatrick and Chan Gailey are running to help them out – this may also be a symptom of losing our three deep threats and a fourth who could have at least tried to stretch the field (Roscoe, Jones, Evans, Easley).Therefore the lack of deep balls and playactions, in my mind, is a perfect storm of lacking the WRs to do it, the offensive line confidence or ability to do it, and a QB who Chan may not trust to go deep without risking a pick too many times.
I believe as the line continues to play solid and Chan grows more faith in them, we will see more play action and deep balls. Of course, weather may become a factor in preventing this before he ever does.
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I believe we dont see much playaction
because Chan doesnt quite trust the offensive line enough yet.
All of these answers would make sense if they hadn’t had clear success with PA to Chandler (for some good chunks of yardage) in the KC game. I was persuaded by those thoughts until I was watching the KC game last night.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
or that could be indicative of a lack of respect for the Chiefs defense?
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classic....
On a personal note, I tend to work from 7-7 MST, so my ability to respond to questions and comments is sporadic at best. If I don’t reply in a timely manner, it’s not that I’m not interested, but instead that those little timestamps on our comments could come back to haunt me at some point in the future.
And then I get a stomach bug and wind up back at home before 10 am MST. I think I set myself up there….
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
all of this could be moot
just change your name to Frank from TX. Or maybe Bart from VT. You could get creative here :)
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I am Ron From NM
No, I am Ron From NM!
We could all just start saying we’re Ron From NM like Spartacus. Then they’d never know!
Great analysis once again. Hairston got lucky this week with Cole being out and the Eagles not dialing up some more pressure. I thought he played well for his first start nonetheless but gotta believe the Giants are going to bring it more on Sunday. Gailey said he hoped Hairston would improve a lot going into this week and I think he will have to in order to handle the Giants. I sure hope he does and I’m rooting for ya big guy!
by buffaloparks on Oct 12, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We could all just start saying we’re Ron From NM like Spartacus.
I was thinking like Life of Brian: “I’m Brian.” “No, I’m Brian!” “I’m Brian and so’s my wife.”
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by thefourwinds on Oct 12, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that the Giants will need to bring any more than their four defensive linemen to get pressure on Fitz. Dropping the LBs may negate the short passing game, much in the same way that the Eagles were able to.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
In praise of Wood
Thanks again Ron. Your analysis confirms the outstanding play of Eric Wood. Seeing him push the pile into the endzone on Brad Smith’s endzone was a thing of beauty. I must of watched it 10 times on replay.
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