Giants 27, Bills 24: Mistake-Prone Buffalo Drops To 4-2
by Brian Galliford on Oct 16, 2011 4:39 PM EDT
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Ryan Fitzpatrick threw two interceptions - one of which came with just minutes remaining in the fourth quarter deep in New York Giants territory with the game tied - and Ahmad Bradshaw ran for 104 yards and three touchdowns as the Buffalo Bills dropped a 27-24 decision on the road.
With the game tied at 24 following a Stevie Johnson touchdown and a Giants punt, Fitzpatrick and the Bills drove deep into Giants territory. Then, on first down with the team primed to kill the bulk of the time remaining and kick a game-winning field goal, Fitzpatrick underthrew Johnson on a fly route down the left sideline. Corey Webster intercepted the pass - his second of the day, and on very similar plays - the Giants drove down the field for a field goal, and the Bills couldn't counter. Ball game.
Fitzpatrick did throw for 244 yards and two touchdowns, one of which was a 60-yard catch-and-run play to Naaman Roosevelt. Fred Jackson had an 80-yard touchdown run to open the scoring for Buffalo, and the star tailback finished the game with 121 rushing yards and 47 receiving yards. In the end, however, the Bills made too many mistakes - and the Giants were mistake-free - to pull out the win.
The Bills enter their bye week battered and bruised - they lost rookie tackle Chris Hairston today, too - but are 4-2. They next play on October 30 in Toronto against the Washington Redskins. Hopefully they're a bit healthier at that point than they were today.
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Everybody is exaggerating how bad Fitz played.
A 70% completion percentage, he was on for a good amount of the game, making the right decisions.
Those two throws were really killer though.
Florence was absolutely horrible today, picked on him all day, meanwhile Leodis was quiet so maybe that is a good thing for him. There was little pash rush, and I do think Merriman was missed.
Tough game, could have gone either way.
by Xaviermw on Oct 16, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
THANK YOU.
I was in the middle of mocking FernandoBrazil’s assertion that ‘everyone can do’ a QB sneak by offering to go to practice with UCF next week and suit up … okay, I’m way out of shape. Maybe Edgewater High. (And they’d obviously know it was coming, but tell me the Giants didn’t…)
But yeah… Fitz panicked at the end with double-backups on the blind side, I can’t blame him much for that.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
c’mon, every NFL QB can do a QB sneak. If you put Jasper in as a QB he can sneak easily for a first down.
What i really think about Fitz is, he’s a good NFL QB. Smart, a true leader. Very difficult to not root for. I’m proud to have him as my QB. My problem with him is he can’t be Elite. He can’t throw deep. I want a Elite QB to our Buffalo Bills win a SB. I think Fitz is already playing at his hightest level, and that is good enough to win in a team like last year Jets, or the Ravens with outstanding D. Not here. I like him to be here for the rest of his carreer, but not as a starter. He could be the bridge to our next QB, and a really good one. After that he will be maybe the best backup in the league. But we really need a first round QB sooner than later.
If someone who Gailey and Nix likes be there in next year draft, we need to grab the guy. Robert Griffin III, Landry Jones, i don’t know. But i think we have a really good young core, and will need a potential elite QB here too.
by Fernando brazil on Oct 16, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He played well except for two plays…but the only one of those two plays I saw was the floater to Stevie, which was undeniably one of the worst passes I’ve ever seen him throw. He tried to throw off his back foot, at least three or four yards short. It was an awful, awful pass.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Definitely
I agree with this. It was such an ugly throw and cost us the game, but people cant say he was terrible and “Bad Fitz” all game long, because, he wasn’t.
The other bad play was exactly the same — except on the other side. Both under thrown balls on the same play
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
They should practice that play fifteen times a day every day for the next two weeks. Stevie had him beat on the play I saw, a good pass is a touchdown there.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Stevie was wide open on the second pass – horrible throw
The first pass was a little more difficult because of safety help over the top but still – horrible throw
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by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The Beard threw it short all day
There were several throws today where Ryan threw it short. I bet this was a real learning day for Fitz, but he will get better. Heal for 2 weeks, catch your breath, everybody get ready and lets go on to the playoffs!
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I agree two bad throws
If those trows were on target, I believe we would have won. As many of you know I am a Fitz skeptic. His arm isn’t strong enough to make it through a season. That’s why he winds up on every throw. I suspect his accuracy will worsen as the season progresses. I hope I am wrong!
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Sorry, but he took two brutal sacks also, one of which knocked them out of field goal range.
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Why are you apologizing?
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
It's not an apology but stating a disagreement.
Fitz had more than 2 bad plays today. The awful sack to take us out of FG range was Edwards/Bledsoe like.
He had another awful sack and missed David Nelson when he was wide open down the field on what would have been a huge, if not scoring, play.
Our Amish Rifle was an Amish Pea-shooter today.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
I didn’t see the game, as I stated elsewhere. I’m just saying that we were in a position to win the game at the end, and he decided then to be bad-Fitz, and that’s what cost us more than anything. That second interception was awful, in many different ways. But he played well enough the rest of the game to put us in a position to win.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
he played okay stats are not the whole story. He made the wrong desicions all day except in the stat book.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They have him throwing so much underneath stuff that it’s hard not to have that high a of a completion percentage. I see him no different than Chad Pennington at his peak.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 16, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He also ran backwards when he should of ate it. On the few pa passes we did were awful fakes. He had a bad game today imo.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The last few games i’ve noticed it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
About Fitz
Fitz didn’t play bad, he played a good game overall. BUT he made the same mistake TWICE. The second time it cost the Bills the game. Brian nailed it with this article. Thanks as always.
One point of contention I have with the Bills: I am getting tired of the wildcat, especially when Chan called it in this game.
Its been hit and miss. A little more practice and variety and it should get better. Add in a couple more passes.
Brad Smith does need to begin faster, he always seems to take a stutter step before he does anything and that really hurt the Bills on the 3rd and 1.
But I think it hasn’t been horrible and it can get better.
That's my big issue.
Fitz didn’t play bad, he played a good game overall. BUT he made the same mistake TWICE. The second time it cost the Bills the game. Brian nailed it with this article. Thanks as always.
You didn’t put it enough out front the first time, so when you run it again, learn from your mistake, put it out in front and lead him, instead the second was even a hair more underthrown.
BAD FITZ!
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I like fitz but damn Stevie broke webster had separation and fitz threw it short that should have been a td oh well now I’m a hundred dollars lighter and have to go to work tonight and deal with giant fans smh
by beezwright on Oct 16, 2011 7:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think a few poor play calls at critical situations us killed us today....
first the 3rd and short where we motioned freddy into a single back formation and he was stuffed was a poor play call…. you don’t get too fancy just sneak it up the middle as seen later in the game where fitz picked up 2-3 yards…
Obviously the worst play call happened during the fitz final interception. SORRY BUT THERE IS NO WAY YOU THROW THE BALL IN THAT SITUATION… NO MATTER WHAT YOU RUN IT TO KEEP THE CLOCK MOVING AND PICK UP POSITIVE YARDAGE. worst case scenario we should have been kicking the ball off to them w/ less than 2 minutes to go up 3… there is no way you throw the ball especially on 1st down in that situation.,… fitz has historically turned the ball over in critical situations (more times than not lets be honest) over the course of his bills career. actually i don’t care if you have peyton or brady back there YOU RUN THE BALL IN THAT SITUATION EVERY TIME PERIOD!!!! Even if they go down and score a td and win the game at the last second at least you have put your team in position to win w/ less than 2 mins to go and it’s up to your defense to at least slow them down or take it into ot by not giving up the td. HORRIBLE PLAY CALL IN THAT SITUATION YOU HAVE TO RUN THE BALL ON THAT DOWN ESPECIALLY AND POSSIBLY THE NEXT 2… i mean if we run the ball there who knows what happens, it could have ended similar to the pats game….. let the boys up front close the game for us…we could have easily gotten one first down and ran the clock down and attempted a last 2nd fg to win it….i know this is all hine sight, but many had to be thinking that before the play even took place….ONE MORE TIME YOU RUN YOU HAVE TO RUN THE FOOTBALL IN THAT SITUATION….
YOU DON’T THROW A 50/50 BALL INTO THE AIR WHEN YOU’RE IN POSITION TO TAKE THE LEAD AT THE END OF THE GAME!!! even if it’s not picked and simply incomplete i’m pissed because it stopped the clock another thing that you don’t wanna do in that situation..
SORRY BUT THERE IS NO WAY YOU THROW THE BALL IN THAT SITUATION… NO MATTER WHAT YOU RUN IT TO KEEP THE CLOCK MOVING AND PICK UP POSITIVE YARDAGE.
disagree entirely – Stevie was open – Fitz just under thew that. If the ball was where it was suppose to be it’s a TD. he just under thew it. No different than Fred or someone fumbling if they were running there.
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by J2 on Oct 17, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
c'mon that was a sure TD
If Eli under threw Nix two times, maybe today we are saying Florence is a BEAST with 2 picks.
by Fernando brazil on Oct 17, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This game came down to 3 things IMO:
1. Bad Fitz showed up (just like the Cincy game)
2. We have no pass rush against good offensive lines (which is helpful for manufacturing turnovers)
3. The secondary can’t stop anyone (and please spare everyone the Florence is the devil rhetoric for the rest of this thread)
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
agree
but i think this game just showed our lack of pass rush depth. W/o Kyle Williams we didnt have any interior pressure.
Fitzmagic
if kyle
can’t penetrate, he gets washed out without a double team. He’s too light IMO. I liked the way heard played today and I would also like to see dareus play nose more. he’s the one who gets doubled and he plays the end. a true nose gets doubled too.
Kyle penetrated last year all year long.
by Xaviermw on Oct 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you just begging for a TWSS?
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- Buddy Nix
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by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s What She Said
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 16, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re welcome. Sitting right at your computer, are you?
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 16, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that was last year
he’s not doing it this yr.
Uhhhhhh
Righttt…ok. Heard played NOTHING like K Williams.
Apparently Kyle Williams is terrible against the run
…who knew, right?
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
D-Flo WAS bad. Today. He had a bad day, it happens. He’s one of our better DBs in general, just not today.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, he had a bad game. I can just see “WE NEED TO CUT FLORENCE NOW” being said at least once in the next 500 comments — and that’s just too much
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
i like Florence
but not ove McKelvin. McKelvin could be horrid too, but he’s better than Florence
by Fernando brazil on Oct 16, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Gasp!
What a difference a week of someone hardly seeing the field makes.
Just because you didn’t notice Leodis today doesn’t mean he’s better than Florence. At least Florence will net you a big play.
Let’s not forget him and Barnett sealed that game against the Eagles for us.
AND let’s not forget that Florence had the go ahead TD against the shudder Patriots.
Did he have a bad game? No doubt, but let’s not form sweeping opinions over one’s playing ability based on one bad game.
Bring it on down to PEGULAVILLE!
by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Florence has had two good plays surrounded by complete crap this season, just like he always has. I’d rather have the stunning mediocrity of Leodis over that.
I suppose you think Corner is good as well?
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no, i'm not based on one game
i’m based on several games when Mckelvin outplayed him. Maybe he doesn’t have the same ball skills than Florence, but he can cover better for sure. Against the Eagles Leo make a outstanding job against Jackson all day. He played very well against the Pats too. The problem is people here only talk about him when he plays poorly, like against the raiders.
by Fernando brazil on Oct 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
note:
if Denarious Moore killed McKelvin, sure he can beat Florence deep all day too.
by Fernando brazil on Oct 17, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I would also add that Good Eli showed up today, which made things more difficult.
Still, as badly as the Bills were outplayed today, losing by only three was pretty impressive. It definitely would have been a statement win had the Bills pulled out a game when they clearly were the inferior team.
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Secondary
Florence had a horrendous game! He was so bad I was hoping for mckelvin
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That's when you know you're having issues in the secondary.
Bring it on down to PEGULAVILLE!
by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This game wasn't bad IMO
Got outplayed when it counted. 2 bad INT’s were the biggest factor. You go into the bye and look to get healthier and make your playoff push. GO BILLS!!
It was a game of injured. We played at their house, had them sweating and them we messed up. Love them Bills! Take a week off, heal and come back with a vengeance Buffalo!
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Fitz’s “untimely bad throw bug” made an appearance today.
Yet another game where the opponent dictated the flow but the Bills had a great chance and blew it.
1st and 10 in field goal range with 4+ on the clock… why not run the ball Chan?
Florence looked horrible, McGee looked awesome.
The Bills didn’t have a single takeaway and almost pulled it out.
The Bills really should have won.
I feel sick.
End of brain dump.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
1st and 10 in field goal range with 4+ on the clock… why not run the ball Chan?
Because the passing game had worked down the field, and the play was there, Stevie was open.
Still I get what you are saying, why give the Giants the ball with time left.
That’s more of my point, milk some clock. I think Fitz had completed his previous 7 passes before the INT but why not get the clock rolling and let Freddy do his thing.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee was not awesome. There were numerous plays in the first half where he was getting beat. Our corners need to badly step it up.
We also need to stop playing our corners 10 yards off the receivers. Hot read to a slant every time – which the Giants routinely did today.
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by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he had a great game, I can’t think of a play where he was beaten badly in the first half. I can think of some great tackling and a pass defended in the end zone.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t agree with you on McGee at all. And of course the problem for the DB’s today was that the front seven were getting no pressure on Manning.
by Macktruck on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd a million Macktruck!!!!!
we CANNOT expect our db’s to cover that long without any kind of pass rush whatsover! And that’s because our OLB’s aren’t that good…yet I guess…the merriman experiment is wht we all thought it would be, just an experiment. our d line is built to stop the run inside but our olb’s can’t keep contain nor can they get to the qb with any success. we need help.
by youngchamp on Oct 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why would you say "rec'd a million"
and then not rec? O_O
because everytime i try
it takes forever to load. it’s much quicker for me to type it. : b
Just click it an move on. It will take.
Next time you come back to this page it will show correctly.
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 16, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd...but I would add that Florence's PIs also killed this team today
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Absolutely
I’ll say it again you take away Fitzy and Florences gaffes and they win easily. I’m not crucifying these guys because they have played well, sometimes great at times, but today they cost us a win. Hope they get real healthy during the bye, they will need it!
It was a team loss. Did you forget about Pears false start? It wouldn’t have been 4th and 5 if he didn’t get the penalty.
yeah,
i forgot about that one. how about we add about 4 inches on Fitz so he doesn’t get those passes beat down at the line??
Why is this surprising from Florence at this point?
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He had 11 tackles….because he was getting beat today. And it wasn’t because he was a run-stopping machine today. (He did have a few though).
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by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 16, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee did play well
considering this is his first game from injury. He stood out in a good way to me. Flo stood out in a bad way. the reason we play off is b/c we get burned playing man and our corners aren’t that physical except for mcgee. but mcgee is better at run d than coverage. we need aaron williams back and another coverage corner in the 2012 draft wouldn’t hurt plus a olb.
McGee – 6 completions, 54 yards, 3 first downs
Florence – 6 completions, 129 yards, 4 first downs, 3 PIs for 45 yards
I just don’t think either played well in coverage. And our DBs aren’t bump-and-run guys, but playing them so far off leads good QBs to take easy yards every time.
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by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 16, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I will take a DB
giving up 54 yrds over an entire game all day….seriously
by fanick82 on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
in total yards or just penalty yards?
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
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wait...I see...you meant McGee
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me 2. then
add another corner with similar stats and we have a pretty good duo. Flo had a McKelvinesque game today. Although I would have been jumping up and down had McKelvin picked off that pass near the goaline! He had nothing but daylight ahead of him.
McGee was not awesome. There were numerous plays in the first half where he was getting beat.
Dude it happens. Especially when you aren’t getting pressure on the quarterback. And I disagree. I think he played extremely well. And he hasn’t played in five weeks.
We also need to stop playing our corners 10 yards off the receivers.
1.) Did the gameplan call for him to play off of his guy sometimes? Don’t you think that they do these things for a reason. It isn’t like they rip up some paper, put it in a hat, and then draw it one at a time to see what they do.
2.) Does he call the plays or have the freedom to dictate how far off he plays?
3.) I am 100% sure that Florence was up on his guy more than one time in this game.
The play call was not the problem. Stevie was one on one and beat his guy (play didnt HAVE to go there). Fitz wasn’t even wrong for choosing Stevie as his target. It just failed on execution. A TD there raises a Bills win probability to like 98%.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitz failed execution and it isn’t the first time… Just run the ball, get the clock moving and worse case, kick a FG.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
worst*
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They were giving us the outside. Three runs would have gotten us a FG and a kick with more than two minutes on the clock and the giants with a full complement of timeouts.
Would you rather go for the TD, or trust your D today?…
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally understand but I would rather give the ball to FJ and not put the game in Fitz’s hands…
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
We need a corner
Florence was absolutely destroyed by Manningham. That might have been the biggest factor in the game, in my opinion.
We have one, I think.
But A-Wil needs to get healthy.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And to stay consistent...
D-Flo has to show up properly. He didn’t today, as mentioned.
"Why so serious?... so raise your glass if you are wrong/in all the right ways..." -- P!nk
by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone notice McGee's great game?
The best Bills defensive player on the field today was surely Terrence McGee, who made a ton of great plays, including the one where he saved a TD by stripping the ball out of Manningham’s hands in the redzone. People forget, but when McGee is healthy he is our best CB by far.
Agree 100%
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh…he was badly beat for a touchdown on that play. How was that a great play?
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by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously it wasn't.
Apparently there is a difference between ‘great’ and ‘perfect’.
/trollface
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
how?
because he didn’t give up on the play. that’s how. yeah he got beat. corners do get beat every now and then. but that was a heads up play that showed heart. so yes, that was a great play. much better than flo’s horrible play.
Hmm, weird
So when a touchdown is not a touchdown, we still count it as a touchdown?
Well this one hurt.
Fitz two poor throws all day, but man they hurt.
Freddy, sans his 80 yard run, didnt get much going on the ground.
Florence, ey yi yi…
Just sucks we have to wait 2 weeks to watch them again, but that Redskins game has to be a huge bounce back game.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
And that the next game is a home game…in Toronto. Not going to be a ton of advantages for them.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Much rather have this at the Ralph (obviously)
but its a home/neutral game, much better than going to DC. We can be 5-2 then go on the road for some. This is gut check time, and I think we’ll be good.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
We can be 5-2 then go on the road for some.
says who? don’t sleep on the skins. this can easily be another one of those trap games like the bengals. today was a game we needed to win, just to give us a little bit of wiggle room going in to the bye. if we lose against the skins, it could be a downward spiral from there with our remaining schedule. we BETTER dominate. First, let’s hope we can get healthy during the bye…and stay healthy. if we’re healthy, we get into the playoffs, if we’re not healthy, we don’t make it.
Thats why I said...
We CAN be 5-2. No game is an automatic W… but Im just saying, being 5-2 at week 8 is a good thing. And we still CAN be that.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
I just don't want us
sleeping. that’s all. it’s easy to look past the skins but all it takes is another poor offensive day like in cincy (we know our d plays poor every game) and we find ourselves losing another game we should not have lost.
Some positives
I think the positive to take away from the game is that we played, in my opinion, the most mistake-ridden game of the year so far. Fitzy was alright except for a few horrible, horrendous, can’t-believe-that-just-happened throws, and Florence was brutalized all game. The rush defense showed up alright, but the pass defense was invisible.
And still, we only lost by 3. We’ve played two mediocre-to-bad games so far this year, in which Fitzy has played poorly and the defense couldn’t rescue him, and have lost by a total of 6 points, to two teams that are a combined 8-4. Honestly, I’m not that worried, and I think we’ll get healthy during the bye.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
by stetzwebs on Oct 16, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also, both games were on the road.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
To that point
I think a big thing this team needs to do is be better on the road. I know it’s been mentioned by a bunch of other fans, but winning on the road might be this teams next biggest obstacle. 3-8 on the road during the Chan Gailey regime just isn’t going to cut it. The real contenders win big games on the road, and this one was there for the taking!
It’s all about perspective. 4-2 going into the bye week, with both losses on the road by a combined 6 points. I think that if you posted a poll before the season started, most of us would have approved.
by JP-3 on Oct 16, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
2 crucial INT's
hurt us pretty bad. We could have had the game closed out on that last INT drive b/c we were going to score. But other than that, Fitz did pretty well. It was Florence who hurt us IMO today. Just horrible play. You didn’t see that kind of crappy play coming from McGee who was by the way spectacular! God i almost forgot how bad we missed him! We didn’t have any takeovers which we all knew we couldn’t rely on that. We didn’t give up as many yards today but our biggest problem on D to me is our lack of a respectable pass rush. We can’t get a sack for nothing! I thought for sure we would be able to get to Eli today. 1st rd in the 2012 NFL Draft: OLB anyone?
... I never thought I'd say this...
… but yeah, if Landry Jones doesn’t fall to us.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not want landry jones. The guy sucks under presdure. He will get eaten up at this level.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Luck then? Stranger things have happened.
Like the Bills being 4-2 at week 6 with this many injuries. :P
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I like robert griffin 3. We aint touchin luck.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
We’re PLAYING Luck twice a year, mark my words.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He is going to colts.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno, even with Peyton out this year, I still think that’s the one team that’d pass up on him.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Going from manning to luck would be to hard to pass up. You do not know how long manning will play or if he will be the same. They saw without manning time to find the successor.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay.
Of course Miami is very badly hurting at QB and it’s reflecting quite a bit in their W-L. And I have a feeling that the Colts will swing one or two more than the Fins will. (We are going to stomp them so hard Dan Marino will cry on air, twice, mark my words.)
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take a loss to miami if it meant miami missing out on luck. one loss to guarentee not seeing luck for 2 times a year for fifteen years. I would take that.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Almost agree. If that loss kept us out of the playoffs (even if we’re probably going 1-1 at best in the playoffs, I’d really like to get there, twelve years is too long) then I’d rather we suck it up… and guess what? The Pats will have to see him twice too!
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well, if Landry Jones falls to us
that means a.) we didn’t make the playoffs and lost the rest of our games from here on out; or b.) Landry Jones’ stock plummits Fitz is pretty darn good though. He’s a slinger so you know he’s going to take some chances but he is smart as crap. I would say outside of drafting an OLB, and a COVERAGE CB, I would get a burner at WR cause we don’t know for sure if Easley will be back and even though we can expect jones to return we still need depth. by the way, did anybody know naaman could burn like that? WOW!!!
depends
i would take OLB first, but idk what round Robert Griffin III is projected to be in but we have to draft him QB out of Baylor. Hes a track athlete, 3 games into the season he had more TDs(13) than incomplete passes (12) and he played against TCU a pretty good defensive team.
Fitzmagic
Upshaw
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY??????!!!
Did Fitz make that god awful throw????!!! We had 6 minutes till the game was over, and we were MOVING the ball! That was the most ill advised throw of the year, bar none!
Other mistakes aside, i absolutely put this loss on Fitz, 100% so pissed!!!!
Yup.
That was the right play call, he was open, by a step or two… just didnt execute. Get em next time is all we can say.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
i would have called a run play there
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
not the right decision, at all. he WASNT open….and our QB doesnt have the arm to put it in front of him!
He was open
He was open but had to slow down for the ball on both picks allowing the corner back in the plays.
then he’s only as open as our QB’s ability to get the ball there…..which apparently there is not much of. this is only gonna get worse as the weather does, this season. do not sign Fitz long term!
Im just wondering
if youve watched him play this season other than that throw.
I don't think you have caleb
because if you had then you would KNOW that without Fitz’ play so far this yr, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY we are 4-2!! PERIOD! We’re too good I Billieve to get Luck or any of the other “top-tier” QB’s. I wouldn’t start a rookie at QB unless i just had no choice. we have a good vet in fitz who can groom whoever we bring in, IF we bring in anybody.
Thats what I want a grooming of a rookie. I.can stand fitz for a few years.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I myself have not watched him play _period_.
THANK you Fox, we really did need that running of that horrible Nic Cage movie in the 1pm slot rather than Eagles-Bills last week. I’ve only been able to see final-two-minutes the entire season.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he wasnt open?!
Stevie had him by 2 yards, if that ball is put on the spot, he scores… the only reason it was picked was because it was underthrown and the defender was behind him.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
?
He beat the man. And it wasn’t a pass that requires anything special in the arm department.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
what are you all talking about!??
Fitz struggled today, no question!
take away those 2 crucial INT’s and turn them into TD’s which they should have been and there is no way you have the same outlook. Fitz played well. Just made 2 bad mistakes. Stevie WAS open on both INT’s, he just underthrew him. Florence is the one who struggled today! he played like crap! no question! and our lack of a pass rush keeps hurting us playing teams who can put points on the board as well. that is the weakest link on this team imo.
2 ints 2 bad sack scrambles. Bad pa execution. Mostly underneath routes padding his stats today.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we pass underneath
because hello people, we have no deep threat! we have had to adjust to the quick shorter routes allowing our WR’s to make plays in space, which naaman showed we can. until we get us a deep threat at wr, don’t expect us to go deep. i was just shocked to even see play action today. i think play action to our 6’5’’ david nelson or 6’8’’ TE Chandler would have made more sense to me.
How bout the two sacks
How bout the two sacks, when he had five seconds to throw, to take them out of field goal range. He’s played much better. The plays count, you can’t say well if we take the four errors away, he played great. They do count.
He was open and in the nfl thats wide open. One step is all you should need and fitzy under threw that twice.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I'm amazed considering.
That ‘guy in your chest’ is wide open in the NFL. And that ‘guy in your chest catches the ball’ is ‘five yards short’. Seriously, Fitzy throws that five yards past it’s incomplete!
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He had the guy by 2-3 yards both plays and had to slow down for the ball. Allowing the db to catch up. Stevie was open and fitz had a good window in front of stevie. If anything make stevie run for it not slow down.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay, I didn't get that good a look.
Sorry about that. The replays only focused on the point of interception, I couldn’t get a very good look.
Still think that the DB had a chance to deflect on a good throw though.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Had the ball been released on time and out in front, it’s six points both times.
*sighs*
I looked at it again, five yards is an exaggeration at least. He throws it to the eight yard line he’s throwing it out.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to say the point isn't made, by the way...
He didn’t have Webster beat by the outright country mile it’s implied is all. And I think the error was direction as much as distance, he puts that three yards to the right or so and I bet Stevie still makes the play.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. I think Webster was beat by a mile. Stevie had two steps on him, and that’s a mile on a go route.
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yup
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by J2 on Oct 17, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
As I said, the replay doesn’t make it obvious to amateurs like me, it mainly shows them when they’re right next to each other. Still.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
On the CBS broadcast they showed us the entire replay and Stevie beat his man clean right from the snap and there was no safety help. He then came back to try to make a play on the ball when he saw it was short.
Trust all of us when we say he was open :)
yep....really is that simple
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Oh he was very open. It was the right decision…just a terrible throw.
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by stetzwebs on Oct 16, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
same old fitz
same old florence ( 3 pass int)
same old pass rush ( no sacks)
same old team, no depth…. still believe they will be 8-8
Kind of an issue here...
These same olds didn’t show up this year except in the Bengals game.
Except for the lack of Pass rush.
It’s not really us any more, I swear, but we did have flashbacks, I’ll give you that.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The defense is a JOKE. A joke. No guts to manhandle offensive lines. A joke like it has been since the early part of the ’aughts.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
??
They were giving up huge yardage and points when they were healthy.
Their points against avg is 15th. You can complain about the yds, but the points are avg
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
Wasn't that similar
to the Dick Jauron defenses? I thought they were always ranked “better” at PPG than YPG defensively.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
27 points is not enough to be considered a joke.
It isn’t?
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
George Edwards has demonstrated he shouldn't be a DC in this league.
When the players can’t bail him out with an inordinate number of interceptions or fumble recoveries, we lose. Even when the players get a bunch of takeaways we give up 400+ yards per game and 24 points/game.
How he has a job in Buffalo is PFM. He needs to start holding seminars and charging entrance fees so he can teach people how to suck monkey nuts at their job and still be employed.
No pass rush, and few forced punts today. No pass rush, and few forced punts even when our starters are in and healthy other weeks. He needs to be fired. Now is the time. I honestly don’t believe firing him could worsen the way this defense is playing. The only downfall to firing him now would be that it would be hard to lure other coaches to the position mid-season.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you!
I completely agree! He gets caught in the wrong defenses way too often which are resulting in big plays!
Unless buffalo decides to.stick with the stash. You do not fire someone unless you have someone better lined up. we do have that guy lined up imo.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree with this...
The only downfall to firing him now would be that it would be hard to lure other coaches to the position mid-season.
why do you think Gailey hired Wanny to be his “Asst. HC/LB Coach?” It’s called insurance, and I think it’s time to cash in on this policy! HAHA!!
gotta get healthy
Gotta learn to win against good teams away from home
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we're playing in Toronto after the bye
so I guess, the Bills are going 4-3. Hopefully, we’ll still finish 9-7 or better.
I think we can take 'em.
5-2 at week 8, I think is what we’ll do. Now we play Miami and the Jets twice, I think that’s 3-1, probable loss to Pats, 3-2, that’s 8-4 with… who else do we play?
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Us, easily?
But we could do it, for sure.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, I would like to see them go 10-6
I just think the Bills will go 4-3 and then turn things around.
no we're playing in Toronto
I don’t know if you read that part. We’re playing in Toronto. We will never win in that stadium. I don’t care if we play high school kids. We’re going winless in the Rogers Centre
I did.
And I seriously think we’re due.
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
cant see it
I get your point, but the redskins have zero offense, if there is a game for a defense to be amazing it will be that game.
Fitzmagic
Fine, zero offense, huh
I bet it will be shootout. That zero offense led by Grossman will look like a Brady lead team. I think we could beat them in a game at the Ralph or on the road, but I don’t think we will ever win in that stadium.
TRAP GAME!
DON’T SLEEP! we already lost one of those (bengals). it could be those games that determine whether or not we get into the playoffs.
WEve played 3 games there...
and we played 3 teams that were better than us. Relax.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
*Takes note, snapshots screen*
Done. :P
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
LT injuries might get Fitzy killed.
They could finish even worse than we just recently expected them to finish.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
MISSING: Pass Rush
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That implies we had it, and lost it…..not so much.
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by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 16, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Missing since the 1990s?
Work for you?
Geez.
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by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Healthy had nothing to do with the loss
This loss sit squarely on the shoulders of Fitz and Florence. Two underthrows and two picks but the one that gets me is the two consecutive sacks he took to take Buffalo out of field goal range. The pass interferences by Florence as well. You take those plays out of the game and the Bills win big. Plain and simple.
Lessons Learned
The Bills are learning what they can and can’t do, and it’s a costly lesson. For a banged up team, they played well, with some huge mistakes. This is still a young team that’s going to give many more solid wins this season. But this one hurt, no question.
Get healthy over the bye week. Many tough games ahead.
Go Bills!
by Luther6 on Oct 16, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Everybody is banged up including the Giants.
Those plays by Fitz and Florence directly cost them a win. It wasn’t a team loss. Let’s call the way it is!
At least this was a game against a NFC team not AFC
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, this defense really needs to step up and stop giving up so many yards. The turnovers are nice, but when that turnover well dries up they have nothing to hold their hats on. Bad at defending the run, bad at defending the pass, and bad at rushing the passer. That being said McGee did play pretty well today and I did not think the pass rush was all that horrible but not that good either. They did get pressure but Eli was able to either step up or escape the pocket and complete a pass. Florence on the other hand showed his true self today. After seeing him here for a few years I was never a big D Flo fan because most of his turnovers are luck plays that fall into his lap rather than him making a great read or jump on the ball. However when being asked to step up and shut down a teams #2 WR he struggled all day holding the receiver because he couldn’t keep up or shoving him because he over ran the route.
Fitz did not have that bad of a game but those 2 ints were killer. Two times he had a chance to make up for his mistake and he just wasn’t able to rise to the occassion. I’ve played QB in h.s. and college and even I know on a route like that the absolute worst thing you can do is throw a low line drive like he did. The ball needs to be thrown up over the top to his sideline shoulder…why? Best case scenario he catches it and it’s a TD…worst case the ball is a bit overthrown and out of bounds incomplete pass. If you underthrow it low like he did 9 out of 10 times it is a pick. I would have thought he’d realize that after the 1st one. Good blocking, right read, great play call, but bad execution on the throw.
Freddie Jackson is the man and that’s about all I can say about that.
Pears was very shaky today, Urbik looked solid sealing off his blocks when pulling and Levitre stepped up huge today filling in at LT. Also want to mention that Rinehart did pretty well as well coming in. That left side of the line didn’t seem to miss a beat after losing Hairston.
It was a tough loss but can’t be too upset when we are missing a few key starters on both sides of the ball. The Bills certainly had a chance to win it and blew it, but hey 4-2 heading into the bye is not bad. This defense needs some fixing and hopefully the team can get healthy.
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by panekattack on Oct 16, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
at this point
Fitz should just get us down to the redzone, and bring out Lindell…so at least we can get some freaking points.
Oh stop.
We are the #1 team in the Red Zone scoring TD’s at 75%.
You guys all need to relax…
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
Totally, I was hoping someone would say it. Absurd to say we should stop trying in the redzone.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
You have to be conscious of when and where you are in a game. At that point, burning clock and kicking the field goal is the high percentage move. Even if the pass is not picked and incomplete, it stops the clock. It’s called game management.
Hello???
He was WIDE freakin open on BOTH of those throws! We are the #1 team in the RZ scoring TD’s NOT FG’s! Why change your identity now? We had the momentum. The game was in our grasp. We had a great play called. It was the right read. But, Fitz just made a bad pass, twice. The only reason we went there a 2nd time was because it was available for us. Fitz just did not execute it right. I would much rather he go for the jugular to put us up by 7 rather than playing conservative, kicking the FG and giving the ball back to a giants team who would have had plenty of time to drive the length of the field on our shaky D. All Manning had to do was throw to Flo’s side and we would have been done anyway. I like the aggression by Gailey and Fitz. If Fitz connected there would be none of this “fitz had a bad day crap”. we would all be singing his praises.
Yeah
Well said.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello, McFly!!! Anyone there?
Absolutely right. Correct play call. Poor execution. Chan did well on his side, it just happened that Fitzy did not.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ifs and Buts, candy and nuts…something else…
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by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You are making a different point than JJS.
But if you want to talk about this specific playcall…
I dont think we could have managed that the way everyone wants. Too much time left and a defense that had been getting burned all day. I say trust the offense to make a play. We aren’t a team that plays well with a lead…
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He already
He already threw a pick earlier on that same play call. Again the results say it was the wrong play call. We turned it over and basically took three points off the board which is the margin by which we lost. That is how I am reasoning it. So you score and give the ball back to Giants with 4 minutes left. How bout you burn it down under 2 minutes and kick the field goal. Just saying!
It was the right playcall.
I am one of the hardest on playcalling, it was the right one, that was all Fitz, he should have known to lead Stevie out in front 2nd time around, unfortunately the harvard grad had a high school dropout moment and learned nothing from the first mistake and repeated it.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and you would
put the game in our defenses hands at that point? 2min with all of their timeouts is an eternity, especially for our defense. i would MUCH rather go for the kill (which we had in our sites, just missed the target) and put the pressure on the giants to score a TD, not a FG to win. That makes all of the diff in the world in those situations.
Plus,
with a TD on that drive the worst you could do is have the Giants score and force OT, at least you would still have a chance to win the game. With a FG then you can still lose. Going for the TD is always better than just accepting a FG. (Yes, the final plays during the Pats game are an exception…)
Bring it on down to PEGULAVILLE!
by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Coach Bob
Wouldn’t happen to be Dick Jarons brother would you?
He’s about the only guy who’d agree with ur play call. Saw it waaaaaay to many times when he coached here. And what you fail to recognize In your analysis of the call, is that players see when a coach plays it ‘safe’, otherwise known as ‘not to lose’. Players hate it. And eventually it leads to playing tight and afraid.
This is no longer the identity of this Bills team. Hallalulah. Thanks to Chan, who plays to win the game!
Seven points is more than three points one hundred times out of a hundred
Therefore, I try for the seven points.
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by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
but I also don’t blame them. Stevie had the guy beat and the play was there, just a bad throw. Don’t forget there was about 4 min left and the Giants had 3 T.O.‘s left. A FG certainly would not have sealed the win for us. After the way our defense has played especially in the 2nd halves of football games I can’t blame them for wanting to go for the TD. I can blame Fitz for making a poor throw though.
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haha true
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Yeah, this is my thought too. A better throw and we are slapping high-fives about making the right play-call and going for the win.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly…double edged sword type of play call. One side you’re a genious and a hero, other side you’re the goat and should have run the ball to take out time. Post game Marino and Esiason were arguing about the play call. Marino liked it and Boomer didn’t.
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Boomer was right
If it goes incomplete it stops the clock. Your in field goal range and trying to burn clock to win the game. Wrong call at the wrong time. The results say I am correct in that assessment.
The results don actually prove anything. You don’t know what would have happened in your scenario. And before the play happens, you have to choose the high probability play. And to me, this was a high probability play given the defense., Stevie’s success earlier and the fact our D wasn’t gonna seal this victory.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But I know what happened in yours!
What success earlier? Same play earlier, same result. That play is not the easiest to throw, ball should be out in front on his outside shoulder. I’m sorry, I consider it a low percentage play at the wrong time in the game.
I can second guess anything once I know the result. Tomorrow EVERYONE knows the right call. But you gotta play the odds. That play isnt the easiest to throw? Come on, Fitz made more difficult throws than this today and many more difficult throws to get us this far. You consider it low percentage, but I disagree. I think thats a TD given the move Stevie made 8 times out of ten if Fitz doesnt shank the pass.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 16, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He shanked it twice
I don’t recall seeing that play called a lot before today, do you?
In the KC and NE games come to mind immediately
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by lonestar_ak on Oct 16, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And had that been a TD, we’d be crediting Gailey on a brilliant call to seal the game late once again.
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Wrong all the way around
hind sight is 20/20. It was a good play call… the man was beat but the quarterback failed to deliver the ball at the right spot. You can fault Fitz for that but not Gailey. Have you seen how our defense has played in the 2nd half of games?? We let the Bengals back, we almost blew it against the Eagles, and the Giants were no different. Great start….and sloppy down the stretch. Hard to have faith in your defense to hold a 3 pt. lead when they’re giving up over 300-400 yds a week and letting leads slip away. With over 3 min. left in the game and the Giants have all 3 timeouts it’s hard to trust our defense to not only keep the Giants from scoring a FG but also from getting into the endzone.
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Agreed?!
You agree that we should just start kicking FG’s on 1st down once inside the 20.
Yup, wed be real good then, Jeez people…
Fitz = M(C)²
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no
I agree that perhaps running the ball and bleeding the clock and kicking a FG would not have been a bad thing. I thought that’s what he was implying…if I’m mistaken in that forgive me I would never advocate kicking FG’s on 1st down obviously.
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That's what the dude thought you meant
I’m not even that stubborn to through away a touchdown for three guarenteed points made by a great kicker, who I’d never complain about again.
if we were under 4 minutes, then yeah, bleed the clock, but not at over 6 minutes.
That’s why they call it a 4 minute offense when you are trying to bleed clock and get the winning score.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to clear it up
before someone says something.
A 4 minute offense is for driving the field, we had 6 minutes to go when we got it back, you don’t use a 4 minute offense in scoring position.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
clear up
I’m talking about when we broke the 30 yd line…we had the ball 1st and 10 and threw the ball to Stevie which was poorly thrown and turned into the int. I’m saying once you get down there I wouldn’t hate the decision to bleed the clock and take the 3, but I preferred what Gailey chose to do. Go for the jugular and put up 6. I’m just saying I can understand why people would say run the ball, run the clock, put up 3.
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For all the mentions of Fitz's bad picks
No mention that he broke goddamn finger?
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that's tough
but at the same time. If you’re not healthy enough to make the throws and lead you’re team then you are hurting you’re team. If he was injured and it was affecting his ability to throw then he should have removed himself and given somebody else a chance whether it be Thigpen or Smith.
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Announcers and bills never said anything in.game. When did we find this out.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we need to give the Giants some credit. They were able to protect Eli and put pressure on Fitz. They won the turn over battle and were able to execute their game plan.
Hopefully the Cowboys can beat the Pats at home.
agreed
Giants played good enough to win and deserved to win.
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Obviously everyone around here can see I lose my $%#& when it comes to our DC
but there is plenty of good for the Bills with this bye week.
Aaron Williams might be back (hopefully)
McGee is back and playing solid.
Leodis McKelvin was solid today.
Drayton Florence was horrid but maybe we wont have to lean on him as much anymore.
Shawn Merriman should be back (hopefully); when he’s not playing solid against the run he’s eating up at least one O-lineman (choke holds, anyone?)
Chris Kelsay should be back relegating our two up-and-coming OLBs to spot duty.
Kyle Williams should be back after his minor ankle injury.
Torrel Troup’s back hopefully will be good after the time off.
We’ve been missing some big pieces that will hopefully be full go once we play the Skins. Though we’ve given up a lot of yards with them in, they’ve still been disruptive. Hopefully this team is +90% healthy by the time that Toronto game rolls around.
Hmmm
Troup has shown nothing and Williams is a rookie and making all sorts of errors (when playing). McKelvin was very solid, McGee was rusty as one would expect. If he stays healthy he can really help. Florence had rough, rough game. Merriman is a big question mark at this point. They were still giving up huge chunks of yardage when they were healthy so I’m not following your logic here.
Still better than the backups (especially at NT).
I felt Aaron Williams was doing alright for a rookie, but the more he’s in the more he can learn, and he kind of fits the D. Florence physical profile nicely, which means that once he becomes more consistent he can take over for Florence.
Still, with a terrible DC id rather have them in than their backups.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
Williams was doing as one would expect for a rookie and yes he will only get better. I’m just not sure about Troup, maybe down the road. The problem with Troup is he has to develop NFL nose tackle strength. Carrington is getting better every game. Florence just had an off game, happens! I don’t know if I would say Edwards is a terrible DC, just gets caught in the wrong defenses too much, it’s his defensive play calling I question at times.
Don't know about that!
I saw a Buffalo team give away a winnable game today by making key errors at critical times. If you can the Giants would have won without those mistakes, I’ll give you that one!
Who are you talking to?
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Just want to say
This was a great game. A good battle between two good teams. You guys were great, I don’t think I’ll ever get close to 41 recs ever again.
Hopefully we can meet again this year
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Yep. You guys played well. First game I saw this year that I could say wasn’t horribly officiated. Makes losing suck less :)
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants won the game. Eli looked very good. So did your running game.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 16, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta disagree on the running game.
Bradshaw had one big run, other than that he was struggling to get 3.0YPC. The TD’s from the 1 are to be expected, it takes a miracle to stop a team from getting 1-2 yard 3 times in a row.
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From a Giant Fan
A great game. Could have gone either way. Buffalo is going to make noise this year. Beat the rest of the NFC East for us.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Oct 16, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
we'll try and beat them
but not for you :P
Good game
I thought it was a good game for the Bills. Did everybody on the team play their best? No. However, a lot of players played well, and despite our mistakes, we still had a decent chance for a final drive – 90 seconds for a field goal is very doable. Unfortunately, Fitzpatrick is the one player who most affects the team by a bad performance. I hope this will be one of his very few bad shows. The rest of the team tried to pick up the slack, but the Giants never backed down, so they got a good win.
CB does as well.
QB and CB play can make or break a team. I thought a lot of guys played well. Just couldn’t overcome the errors from those two positions against a solid team on the road!!
I'll say this!
If ever a team needed a bye week, it’s the Bills. Pretty dinged up!
Good game guys
I thought those big plays would keep coming from Jackson and Co. but the Giant Defense stepped up when they really had too. Giant offense with no Turnovers was a big reason for the win plus those PIs on the last drive really set up the winning FG
Good luck to you guys the rest of the year, you have some explosive players that will cause problems. Take the AFC East!
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 16, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
We appreciate your class!
You guys played well enough and deserved to win. I thought for sure we would have gotten to Eli today, but your O Line protected their rear ends off today, haha! great job! with that being said, don’t be too upset that I’m rooting for the cowboys today ;-) Good luck the rest of the yr! Way to come back!
I'M ANGRY!!!!!
I’m angry because we have the ball at NYG’s twenty yd line with 4:00 min left and we try to throw a fade route when we could have ran the ball twice and taken the clock down a minute before we try the fade route, why on 1st down?
I’m angry because we ran a fake Spiller reverse twice and the reverse was there twice but we didn’t run the actual reverse instead we get stuffed both times.
I’m angry because we cannot stop anyone!!!!!
I’m angry because Drayton Florence acted like he was a rookie today. Both of those pi pemalties were unnecessaryand STUPID!!!!!!
I’m angry because we held one of the best rushing teams in the nfl under 100 yds and still lost because Eli manning made it seem like he was playing a pop warner team.
I’m angry because we cannot make something happen when NYG rushes three!!!
I’m angry becuase fitzy takes a sack when we are on the giants 25, we lose 15 yds and we can’t kick a field goal. THROW THE BALL AWAY. he hasn’t thrown it away once this season!
I’m angry because we had a chnace to win the game and we handed it to them on a silver platter.
I’m angry because a day when we had a legitimate chance to be 5-1 and really secure a great position we throw an int to lose. and mark my words that pick is goin to turn this season for the worse. I hate to say that but I really feel it’s true!!!!! We are going to look back on this game and shake our heads because this game would have been huge!
and last but not least i’m angry because we get called for pi 3 times an the Giants get called for it once and the play on Freddie was an absolute no doubter and the let it go thats BS!!!!!!!
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Agree with most of this but one of dreytons pi ptevented a td. It was because he got burnt thow hate the way he plays cb.
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by matthew62 on Oct 16, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You need a drink
Losing a week 6 game against an NFC opponent is not the end of the world dude. Mark my words, we will be fine.
by DJ O on Oct 16, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, PaullyP
You captured it pretty well!
Another tough loss to swallow...Turnover battle proved to be key to victory. Buffalo shot themselves this time!
Unfortunately for Fitz, 2 Int, both under thrown…The last was well within FG range and not sure of the play call. Someone needs to get these guys fired up when things aren’t going well. Too many players hanging there head, pouting. The offense played w/ zero emotion just like Cincy game…Why? Flo had a terrible game…Needs to look back for the ball and hit the WR at the line better. Mcgee, IMO looked and played well today. He played close to vest and physical. Again, No pass rush. Def. was killed by stupid penalties by Flo. What a shame that Fred couldn’t get more yards in the 2nd half. Too predictable w/ runs on 2nd down. Buffalo beat themselves. Now, they have to live w/ it for 2 weeks and make adjustments.
Hopefully we get guys back healthier…Another game that slipped from our fingertips.
Time to regroup, get healthy, and focus on WINNING and FINISHING GAMES.
both picks were so bad
Johnson was so open….that has got to hurt Fitz right now, but you gotta make that
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Yep, both turned into points I believe...
Another thing were the sacks…those are on Fitz as well IMO. He held on too long. I thought the Oline played well and gave plenty of time. I hope Hairston is OK. Man! This loss hurts…because we’re still in this Div and a hunt for a playoff spot. The loss to Cincy could be a huge factor. They’re playing good football.
Schematically
They have to add a few more running plays with some different wrinkles.
it was a pleasure guys stay classy.
Good luck.
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Kinda like the Cincy game....
Coulda, shoulda, woulda………. Ultimately failed. I was sick watching this too.
But put it into perspective.
Its is not like we got stomped 35-3.
We have the pieces. Just gotta play better.
4-2 going into the bye feels a lot better for me than 0-6 last year.
Root for the Cowboys over the Pats!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 16, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly - thank you
Two weeks to get healthy and prepare for the Redskins – and have the first win in Toronto.
Looks our first six opponents: Chiefs, Raiders, Patriots, Bengals, Eagles, Giants. All six of these teams were either in the thick of the playoff race last year or are in the thick of it this year. Few rational people thought the Bills would be 4-2 going into the bye. There is a lot of football to play and a lot of improvements but this team is on the way.
Agreed
But with their schedule, this winnable game may come back to haunt them. Let’s hope not.
They are all winnable.
:-)
We are 4-2.
Both losses were by 3 points.
The sky is NOT falling.
Buck up lil’ campers! This team is terrifying to watch, but its a lot better than last year.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 16, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for this
This team is terrifying to watch
I would so love another blowout win. :o)
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 16, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bills 54, Dolphins 3?
Which I swear, if I had the cash for it I’d be attending. Trouble is, it’s kind of an excursion even to just go to Miami these days for me, so it’d be a lot of cash (hotel, Amtrak, tickets, hot dogs, what have you).
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by Orlando John on Oct 16, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I said much the same thing above, Sarge. We lost two games to two teams who are both 4-2 by a total of 6 points…we aren’t getting stomped this year, which in and of itself is an improvement. And we’ve been in every single game up until the last minutes. It’s refreshing, even if it sucks today that we lost.
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Bottom line
The Bills made too many mistakes to win on the road against a solid opponent. Let’s hope we get healthy during the bye!
that should be the plan
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Wait, what?
Over Gailey or over George Edwards?
I’d take Wannstedt over Edwards (although Edwards wasn’t the issue in today’s game).
Bring it on down to PEGULAVILLE!
by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're saying to replace Gailey I'd say you just defined the term "knee-jerk reaction"
Bring it on down to PEGULAVILLE!
by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
no no no!!!
i should have clarified myself. i’m talking about over george edwards. WAAAAYYYY OVER george edwards, haha!
Oh thank God.
I wasn’t looking forward to a new trend starting lol.
Agree about Edwards though, he just isn’t creative enough to call a successful defense. On paper we should be good, or at least better than where we are.
Bring it on down to PEGULAVILLE!
by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dont look now
but the pats are lookin to lose against the cowboys
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
nevermind
forgot we were talking about the cowboys…
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Wannstedt
needs to be inserted during the bye as the NEW DC. After evaluating our first 6 games, there’s NO WAY you can get anything positive out of our defensive play. We all knew those take-aways were a fluke and could not be counted on every wk. remove those turnovers from the equation and our record could easily look like it did last yr. I think Chan has to make the decision now. Our d cannot get any worse than dead last! I could see if we were switching back to a 4-3, but just for experience sake.
The Patriots just finished the game like we should have.
Fitz will be pissed about his performance and we will come out of the bye like a stampede.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 16, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Brady is "money;" Fitz - mmmmm, not there yet
by ccthemovieman on Oct 16, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Brady is “money;” Fitz – mmmmm, not there yet
Brady is money, Fitz is a check that may or may not bounce, depending on what day you try to cash it.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good game today fellas...
I can honestly say despite the loss your team is still a legit contender for the division AND playoffs. Good luck the rest of the way and if Fred Jackson continues to play this way, be proud of having an all-pro caliber RB.
THANK YOU COWBOYS!!!!
CRAP! Now does everyone see how important this win would have been for us?!?!?!!!! Now the pats are 1st place in the east! UGGHHH!!! I HATE THE PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the cowboys are not good
we need to beat them and the skins
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
We need a receiver to stretch the defense
All the short routes are good but after awhile they become predictable
Stevie stretched the D.....Fitz let it snap back
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not sure what the worst of it was
That we’re no longer on top of the AFC East?
That it was the Giants?
That I was playing against Bradshaw in fantasy?
Sigh. I’ll be mopey for 2 weeks.
George Edwards
needs to go! This Defense is underachieving. There’s potential and he is not maximizing it. Maybe Chan needs to put more of an emphasis on the defense also.
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over the stove." - Charles Barkley
Not the same old bills
You guys gave us a real nail bitter. Best game yet of the season. Sorry about your left tackle what is word on him. I hate seeing players go down like that on a freak play. Got to give us a little credit Eli played lights out and our D stepped up when it had too. We are really a good team who has had injuries hurt our chances too.
this happens to good teams
ask the pats, ravens, lions, and the Giants. They are a much better team than the seawawks and they lost.
This is the NFL. Take the loss and hope Fitz will improve from it. Good teams sometimes lose, we have to recover and go win after the bye.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
The Giants
Are NOT a really good team. The Giants caught us on a bad day…Giants will finish seconds or third o=in the nfc east behind Phili. Got to dream big though, right? =P
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over the stove." - Charles Barkley
Seems
Seems a lot keep saying that but we keep winning.They had Bills blowing us away today and sure seemed like it after those two big plays. Behind Philly have you watched football lately and what is going on in the NFC east. Skins have no QB and Philly confidence is shattered.
Yeah. This.
Philly is going to get better, but I’m with you, they can’t take the Giants out now. Should be good games, ’though.
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 16, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The bills were favored +3. In no way did “they have the bills blowing you away”. Philly has played terrible the previous 4 weeks BEFORE this week. Their defense woke up along with the whole team and they won, so in no way would is Philly’s confidence shattered now. Maybe BEFORE it was…not now. The skins are terrible though.
"I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock
over the stove." - Charles Barkley
Actually, the Giants were favored by 3. I got a push on my wager today.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
i don't think he was talking about Vegas odds
i think he was talking about all the analysts, who did for the most part have it going your way pretty easily.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Well, listing a spread like that leads people to believe odds.
And most of the predictions I saw showed you guys favored. The NFLN guys both picked you along with SI. Those were the only ones I saw.
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by lonestar_ak on Oct 16, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
hehehe well maybe i was swayed by the fact that half of (so-called) Giants fans had this as a bad loss
that could’ve had something to do with it.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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umm, +3 would imply the Bills were underdogs… which they were.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
Yes, but he said "favored". That is what caused the confusion.
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by lonestar_ak on Oct 16, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
My bad. Fingers have a mind of their own.
"I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock
over the stove." - Charles Barkley
Philly wins one and now you are the dream team again
What I meant was that The Bills were favored by so many in the media and analyst it was liike the giants were just going to forfeit the right to play as soon as the coin flip happened. I believe we can go 8-2 in our final games. By the way the skins almost came back to win again.
just think,
last year, we had no business beating the pats, the eagles or the Giants. We won 2 of 3.
This hurts cuz a better throw on that last pick and we win.
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-Steve Tasker-
by billsoferie on Oct 16, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Any thoughts on the idea
That Fitz underthrew SJ on both plays because he is not as comfortable on the deep ball with SJ as he was with Jones. Just seems like they moved SJ into a position on that play that Fitz didn’t seem comfortable with.
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
I think it was just Fitzy missing a throw.
For some strange reason that play wasn’t working for him tonight.
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by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
no way
fitz has connected on plenty of deep passes with stevie in the past
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm torn
between us keeping this 3-4 hybrid or going back to a 4-3 with coach wannstedt at the helm. what do you all think? can we play make the switch mid season like this with our current personnel without getting worse on d?
DE – Chris Kelsay
DT – Marcell Dareus
DT – Kyle Williams
DE – Spencer Johnson (Dwan is too slow)
OLB – Arthur Moats
ILB – Andra Davis
OLB – Nick Barnet (he has the range and speed to transition i think)
We already have 4-3 plays in our playbook.
I think the transition to Wannstedt really wouldn’t be all that drastic.
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by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think I'd rather have Carrington at DE than Johnson
He’s a LOT faster and more athletic.
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by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
carrington faster than johnson?
really? to me carrington looks like the slow one. 4-3 ends need to be fast and strong and not typically 300+…unless they’re just freaky athletic. schobel was what? 270ish or so?
Didn't Johnson play DT in our 4-3 though?
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by BuffalosMainSqueezes90 on Oct 16, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not that i remember...
i could be wrong but i remember him playing behind kelsay. it was stroud who played DT in our 4-3 next to kyle with kelsay and schobel at the ends. johnson from what i remember did pretty good coming off the weakside. he would have to play stronside now because kelsay is better on the weakside and nobody else can man the RDE spot. carrington is too slow. have you seen him in pass rushing situations? he is very slow coming off the ball, he is just long and strong which is why he plays DE in our 3-4. If he could stay healthy, I would even consider putting merriman in that 4-3 RDE at least until we could sign us a legit one.
Johnson played DT in the 4-3. They may have used him at DE in the heavy 4-3 looks.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 17, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
In a 4-3
Barnett would be MLB and Andra Davis at Sam and Merriman at Wil
All we would need to have a solid 4-3 base, is Draft a solid RDE prospect that pans out, or sign a proven one.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 16, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
or sign
robert mathis or dwight freeny next yr as it looks as though one of them won’t be back in indy next yr from what i heard???
i had barnett playing outside
because he can cover much better than davis. as we saw today. i like barnett outside with moats/batten then davis at the mlb and shepp wld spell davis. its our de’s that we wld need to make the transition a success. everyone else is fine. same secondary so they can easily go back. kyle can go back to playing his natural position alongside dareus who is a beast in his own right. throw kelsay back on the ground where he likes it anyway and find us a RDE with some speed and power.
he was an MLB at GB
before the 3-4 switch.
It’s because he can cover is why, the MLB has to cover the most area in a 4-3 zone for the LBs, because he has to cover the deep middle between the safeties. The OLBs have corner help.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 17, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ve been drafting for the 3-4. We are sticking with it.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
that's what "they" say
but we’ve been drafting hybrid players, which is why we already play some 4-3 looks. the transition wld be seamless from my vantage point. we have to generate a pass rush no matter how it gets done and i dont see our olb’s getting it done. we have the talent on our d line to do it between kyle and dareus but i think if we switch schemes we can get some solid interior pressure. which will flush qb’s outside to kelsay or a blitzing lb/db etc. we’re not as heavily invested in a 3-4 as some of us think. other than dareus, name a high draft pick or top FA we signed specifically for the 3-4 who’s starting now…and dareus can play either scheme. he’s actually better suited for the 4-3 like kyle is.
"prone to mistakes"
in my opinion isn’t a fair assessment of this team. Clearly by our turnover ratio this team is prone to causing other teams to make mistakes. We among the leagues lowest penalized teams. I couldn’t disagree with this headline more.
by As Smart as I Look on Oct 16, 2011 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
let's not forget
that the byrd man had his pro bowl yr in a 4-3 and our secondary was all over the place. let’s not also forget that our DC THEN was the DC who’s D played a HECK of a lot better than ours today! just fyi
what in the heck are you talking about?
by As Smart as I Look on Oct 17, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
One last thought on Florence and the secondary.
If anyone in the secondary could have stopped any WR or a TE, maybe you can double cover the guy Florence is guarding (who was usually Nicks). You might not realize it (and most people that comment on the NFL don’t seem to), but Nicks is damn close to being an elite receiver in the NFL, if he isn’t already there. You cannot leave Florence on an island there — he isn’t Revis. If McGee or McKelvin manages to actually stop Manningham or Cruz (or Ballard, the TE), maybe you can bracket Nicks/Florence. Yeah, those penalties didn’t look good, but they just might have been the best play for Florence after he got beat one on one with very little/no safety help over the top…
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dont over-think it, Chan. Run it with Fred, Bills win.
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by poz on Oct 16, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup
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by dnvrBillsfan on Oct 16, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We weren't getting the yards on the ground like we usually do.
We ran it with Freddy 6 times in the second half and only one of those runs got more 4 yds or more (6 yds).
I thought the Giants did a pretty good job on our running game most of the day today. We weren’t as consistent getting yards as we usually are.
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by lonestar_ak on Oct 16, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
once we were in field goal range
and it was painfully obvious to everyone that our offensive line was not going to keep Fitz upright, we should have not played into their hands by taking to the air. It led to costly errors.
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No point complaining about the DB’s getting beat so much when Eli never had any pressure on him. The biggest issue with this Bills team is the horrendous lack of depth and it’s starting to show.
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Complain all you want about Florence being an idiot and getting at least 2 penalties called on him a game though, that can’t be helped by any pass rush.
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Agreed - A good pass rush
can cover up weaknesses on the defense.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 16, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i think we all agree our lack of a pass rush is our main problem. our DB’s are not cover guys. they’re ball hawks. go back to what works to our strengths, the 4-3. that way we can make better use of kyle (and justify his contract extension) b/c playing the nose in a 3-4 is not helping him in the long run. fire george edwards, put wanndstedt over the d and convert back to the 4-3. we all know wannstedts’ hire was a bit odd, considering the fact that he played the 4-3 in his defenses and he was coming in to be a Asst HC/LB Coach? it still makes no sense. UNLESS, you hired him as insurance in case george edwards couldn’t get the job done. well guess what? HE CAN’T GET THE JOB DONE! so, make the switch now in the bye, both to fire edwards and go back to the 4-3. watch the improvement up front. kyle would go HAM (hard as a motha…) and so would dareus. and yes, even kelsay! i even think merriman could transistion to 4-3 RDE…temporarily of course…
Why all the doom and gloom??
You guys are still a good football team that just got beat by a better team today. It doesn’t mean you guys aren’t still good. You have the blueprint to be successful with Fitz, Jackson, and Johnson. When you get your guys back and healthy, you’ll only get better. The playoffs are still VERY realistic with your team.
You have the blueprint to be successful with Fitz
Ahaha
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just got beat by a better team today
Thanks for the backhanded compliment ;)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
a disappointing loss. i think fitz looked rather average, or a little below. he cracked under pressure. as soon as the giants defenders were near him he became an easy target and went down, or made some bad passes when i think he could have stood in the pocket a bit longer. the turnovers killed us, but i don’t know why gailey called a pass on first down when all we needed to do was play conservatively, kill the darn clock and kick a field goal. instead, we lost. if not for forcing turnovers, our defense cannot stop anybody. they need to fix something during the bye week.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Everything about that play was right
… except fitz underthrew it.
Pocket gave time, receiver had a step, single coverage. Not a bad call. He just blew the throw.
but why get greedy? i didn’t like the call at all. i think it was first and ten; just be conservative. try the slot, or a screen if you really wanted a pass. if completed, it would allow offense to burn the clock. it was an unnecessary pass and as it turns out a costly one.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
but why get greedy? i didn’t like the call at all. i think it was first and ten; just be conservative. try the slot, or a screen if you really wanted a pass. i
u do know there were other receivers that were out on the pass play right? Stevie was manned up and beat his man which is why Fitz threw the ball. I’m sure if you go look back there’s 2 guys running 5 or 7 yard routes.
The play call was fine both times as was the decision – it was just 2 under thrown passes – let’s not make this out to be anything more than it was.
11 years of losing has taught me just a smidge of humility. - k8
Go Bills!
I’m sure we all agree Ryan Fitzpatrick missed only nine throws on the day, but two of them were really costly. And unfortunately three of them came on the last drive.
But other than that it was a complete team loss. The defense didn’t get the stops. The running game didn’t get much except for one big gain. And I believe the receivers had their share of dropped passes.
And as for the Giants… Losing to the Seahawks probably worked against the Bills this week. We as Bills’ fans know about those ‘Trap Games.’
This team is only a few points going in their favor of being 6-0, but their also only a few points from being 1-5. 4-2 looks good too me.
Standing here with this record I bet the majority believed wasn’t possible for this Buffalo Bills team. I bet there were a bunch of people predicted this team would only win 3 or 4 games total this season.
I’m extremely optimistic and happy that this team is going into their final 10 games at 4-2 and have a good chance of hopefully getting into the playoffs. Something the front office, coaches, players, staff, and especially us fans all want to be a part of.
The Bills are who they are though. An explosive and streaky team. Until they get that consistency going I look forward to a wild roller coaster ride every Sunday.
I’m not giving up on Fitz or this team and I hope you fans don’t either. Let’s hope they heal up after this Bye Week and come out ready to kick the Redskins… Butt!
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by Baron Hashimoto on Oct 17, 2011 5:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
4-2 - I'll take it
It’s nice to be able to say we’re looking forward to the 2nd half of the season and not be sitting here 2-4 instead of where we are. I agree w/ the call at the end. Fitz just needs to make that throw and he certainly can. The Giants WERE stuffing our run game very well in the 2nd half. Take away Freddie’s 80 yd run and what was his average? GO BILLS – GET HEALTHY!
by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions
It always seems to come down to a field goal with the Giants.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 17, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
I love all these comments!
To me the end of the game felt alot like last year. The Bills played good enough to win, but just made too many mistakes.
The fun part is that last year, I would’ve thought “they’re not that good, but wow wouldn’t it have been great if they could have pulled it out.”
This year I’m thinking, “dang, they should have done it.”
I don’t like that they lost, but I do like I feel like they are alot closer to being a really good team.
I kinda get that most of the posters feel the same way.
Let’s go Buffalo!
Here's hoping!
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