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On Bills Fans, Grand Ideas And The GM vs. Coach Spectrum

When you're a fan of an NFL team and your team displays personnel shortcomings, the available big names on the free agent or trade markets become all the rage. For example: Buffalo Bills fans have been discussing Brandon Lloyd, Reggie Wayne, Terrell Owens and Pat Williams quite a bit in recent weeks. You get the drift: fans are always eager to see their team improve, and some even get incensed when their teams don't see the ingenuity of their own ideas.

Andrew Brandt, who currently heads up the National Football Post, is a former player agent and vice president for the Green Bay Packers. This morning, he wrote a column about Tuesday's trade of quarterback Carson Palmer from the Cincinnati Bengals to the Oakland Raiders. In it, he highlights the dichotomy between the present-day thinking of an NFL head coach and the forward-thinking ways of a competent front office. It's highly relevant to the difference between the way an organization thinks and the way a fan thinks.

"A general manager's role is to protect not only the immediate interests of the team but also its future and prospects for sustained success," writes Brandt.

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"When I was vice president with the Packers, a big part of what I did was act as a fulcrum point between the football side and the management side of the organization," continues Brandt. "Sometimes I was the voice of aggression, asking the business side to support a more aggressive posture in acquiring players. At other times I was the voice of reason and caution, slowing down the immediacy of the football needs to have a longer term look at things."

Per the picture Brandt paints, coaches - similar to fans - are often far more willing to make bold personnel decisions in the name of "winning now," while front office executives and business people are often reticent to do so. The Raiders, who do not have a GM at the moment - but who have a head coach in Hue Jackson who, due to his time in Cincinnati, was highly familiar with Palmer - made a very fan- and coach-friendly trade earlier this week.

Practically applying this spectrum to today's Bills outfit isn't difficult, though it's certainly open to debate. GM Buddy Nix and head coach Chan Gailey have talked about being on the same page from the moment Nix hired Gailey in January of 2010, and that has proven true - albeit with mixed results, as should be expected. What's open for debate is trying to surmise where on the spectrum the duo lies: are they closer to the prototypical GM side, or the prototypical coaching side?

The answer, I believe, is obvious - and aided by the small-market status of the organization. The Bills have prided themselves on building a serious playoff contender out of draft afterthoughts, league castoffs and waiver wire acquisitions. The franchise is less than two full years into a massive organizational, personnel and scheme overhaul. To me, they are decidedly closer to the GM side of that spectrum - and may not inch closer to the coaching (and fan) side of that argument until they're much further along in the re-build, and ideally much closer to a legitimate championship run.

There may come a time when Nix and Gailey are ready to become more aggressive in acquiring talent while trying to win football's ultimate prize. As an organization, however, they're not ready to make those types of commitments. They still have plenty to learn about their young and evolving football team, and they're still competing in a market where it is difficult to draw, and then pay, big-time talent. In the meantime, talking about big names may be fun for fans, but it's also almost completely irrelevant to the reality of the Bills' situation. For now.

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Nice article!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Oct 20, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

A balance can be effective

A football team is a source of entertainment. To keep the entertainment level high you need to win. If Brandon Lloyd was signed for the remainder of the season, he could help the team try to make the playoffs. I understand developing players is important, but we have a lack of WR’s to develop. I don’t think Ruvell Martin is a long term answer at receiver. Teams will always have marginal players that fill a role rather than be a integral part.

Speaking hypothetically, if we brought in B. Lloyd and he helped us get into the playoffs and even win a game, it would help our franchise attract free agent talent sooner, sell jerseys and bring in revenue that could be spend on those free agents, and help our team become better, faster. Harvesting talent is important, but as we have seen with Nick Barnett, free agents can have immediate impact.

I think the frustration starts because it is not necessarily football based activity that the front office is dealing with. The Bills are well under the salary cap and could spent more money on players adding to the likelihood that our team becomes improved. The business side of professional sports can be short sighted.

I am not suggesting Ralph is incompetent or B. Lloyd would make this an elite franchise. I just think that fan’s are completely unbiased when striving for success and the FO’s have financial commitments. We pay for a product with time, money, and energy and want to be rewarded.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

B. Lloyd

One is left to guess that OBD has decided developing Martin is a better way to go rather rather than bringing in outside talent.

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Oct 20, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would surprise me. Even if you break it down to a $$$/win amount Bill James style I doubt Ruvell Martin could even project close to what Lloyd could. However that is where scheming and managing become very intertwined and complicated.

But if the dollars aren’t best spent there, spend them somewhere else to help the team win.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

R. Martin

Noone is talking about ‘developing’ him as a WR. WR depth right now goes something like this: S Johnson, D Jones, D Nelson, R Parrish, M Easley,N Roosevelt, B Smith, K Aiken, R Martin.

Not to mention Spiller, Chandler and Freddy.

Martin is on the team as a gunner. That’s it. He lines up as a receiver only in emergencies.

by Tom LeValley on Oct 20, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a roster spot nonetheless. Wouldn’t you like to add Lloyd to your developing list right between Stevie and Jones?

A player doesn’t have to be unproven to be developed further.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

B Lloyd is a coach killer

Had confrontations with coaching staff in DEN and wore out welcome in other stops
Pass

by freddyjj on Oct 20, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

A football team is a source of entertainment.

It is not, however, an entertainment business.

To keep the entertainment level high you need to win.

True, but when and for how long?

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is not, however, an entertainment business.

I disagree, it is exactly that, an entertainment business.

When I buy my Bills tickets, that comes out of my entertainment budget, same goes for NFL Sunday Ticket, and any related merchandise.

What other form of business could it be?

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 20, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, it’s an entertainment business. Some owners are more competitive and want to win, where others are just putting enough product on the field to entertain 70-80k customers.

by dgrid on Oct 20, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, then more practically: NFL head coaches and GMs don’t treat it like an entertainment business. And that’s what matters.

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by Brian Galliford on Oct 20, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting Brian, yeah, I agree with that…….though, was Russ Brandon officially GM? He may have treated like an entertainment business, lol.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 20, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure I understand your angle. Everybody wants to win. Winning brings in $$$. The differences in philosophy are all centered around the idea of winning Super Bowls. At least that is the ideal situation. It makes for the most balance and most entertainment.

The point of contention in pro sports is when it becomes profitable to under spend and reap the rewards of loyal fans. It is the same problem every business/industry runs into. Is it about the product or the profit? Everybody wins when the profit is a result of the product. There are losers involved when that isn’t the case.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am proposing that there are ways to win now and later in a good organization. Or at least win sooner and have a better chance at repeat success. In a salary cap world small market teams have an amazing opportunity to compete with larger markets every year, if they fill the cap. Obviously good management and coaching is necessary too.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

“A general manager’s role is to protect not only the immediate interests of the team but also its future and prospects for sustained success,” writes Brandt.

As a business owner this quote is taken as standard operating procedure, you have to constantly make tough decisions that affect current success as well future success. You also have to figure in that you will miss on some decisions (nobody is right 100%) but do your due diligence to make sure your success rate far out weighs your failures.

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"You tell 'em I'M coming... and HELL'S coming with me, you hear?... "

Wyatt Earp

by Goose22 on Oct 20, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

About the same quote, but in a different light, one also has to look at a GM and say, if he’s going to take that approach with players, is he going to give his coach enough time and real opportunity to win?

If the GM hires the coach, but drafts crappy players and doesn’t make enough of the right moves to help the coach, but then fires the coach for not winning, that is a very bad situation. Then, at some point, the owner (or VP, whoever is the next boss) has to step in to fire the GM.

Re: the article, good read, Brian.

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by thefourwinds on Oct 20, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free agency done right

Mainly for depth or improvement, don’t have to be Pro Bowl caliber.

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/Free-Agents-Shine-for-Niners/6d4920eb-1b1d-40e3-88d8-b25909825913

The names Donte Whitner and Blake Costanzo should be familiar.

by Rick A on Oct 20, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

meh

whitner has is ups and downs and i can think back to the niners cowgirls when he left mr tv star wide open

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by Gpluehri on Oct 20, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best move

Was signing Coach Jim Harbaugh who has been able to work succesfully with QB Alex Smith.

"You tell 'em I'M coming... and HELL'S coming with me, you hear?... "

Wyatt Earp

by Goose22 on Oct 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it before, but it will be VERY interesting to see how Andrew Luck handles the NFL. More than a smidgen of his success is because of Harbaugh.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 20, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

Luck is the quintessential NFL QB. Outside injury, he is going to win multiple Super Bowls

NOBODY circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

by heff17 on Oct 20, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is going to win multiple Super Bowls

That’s quite a prediction. Alot of great NFL QBs haven’t even won one Super Bowl.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 20, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly looks like he is a Lock to be succesful in NFL but so did Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch etc etc. We will know when he starts playing against NFL players not the Pac 12…

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Dancing IS a contact sport."

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by Goose22 on Oct 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree.

Luck is good… but Harbaugh is the real deal. His brother is great and he is turning Alex Smith into a winner. Its not a coinicence that the 9ers are good this year.

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by bflo on Oct 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree to a extent

none of these players could of helped the bills and all of them are in their 30’s the rams trade was a desperation trade to help save thier jobs

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by Gpluehri on Oct 20, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you sure its desperation?

It does seem like there are some skeletons in the closet with Lloyd, but it was also just a case of a bad team rebuilding and an emerging star for cheaper in Decker.

Lets not forget Lloyd led the league in receiving last year. I think a very good young QB in Bradford has a great opportunity here.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally the rams are winless they need to win out to save their jobs

if they had a interest in keeping lloyd past this season they would of extended him by now

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by Gpluehri on Oct 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

or it’s a tryout for the rest of the season. If he develops a good relationship with Sam he would re-sign anyways. If not they can dump him. It is a low risk, high upside scenario. They also gave up next to nothing for him.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incentives. Coaches usually have more tenuous employment than the GM. They can’t afford to go through the birthing pains because they might not be there the next year. Rare for the coach to go before the GM, so the GM can afford to think longer term.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Oct 20, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

right

well said

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Oct 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true

But this can be viewed as a way for progressive FO’s and owners to get ahead. Let a coach develop his players and scheme for however long is necessary. I believe the Bills are doing this with Chan and I feel like it is already paying off.

by billshabsriders on Oct 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

I dont like how coaches and young QBs are rushed into success or dumped in the NFL.

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Oct 20, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. It takes time to make an impact. Quick turnarounds are the exception, not the rule. I also don’t think they build great foundations for the future. ou want to develop players. Can’’t do that in one year or even two. Though by the end of year three you should have an idea of how well the coach is doing.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Oct 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

I agree, closer to the GM side. I will say this and will say it a thousand times more you cannot build entirely through the draft with only seven rounds. You build the core through the draft and supplement through free-agency. For example, I do not agree with Carson Palmer trade, but would have supported the Brandon Loyd since he is relatively young.

by Coach Bob on Oct 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The foundation for longterm succesd is through the draft. Long term succes teams built their teams through the draft. You build a team like rex ryan did through free agency you tend to burn out pretty quickly.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Oct 20, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Do the math

53 man roster, 7 rounds. If you used only the draft it would take 8 years to fill out a 53 man roster. The NFL isn’t the same as it was 20 years ago. Free-agency, salary cap causes turn-over, so you build your core through the draft and supplement through free-agency.

by Coach Bob on Oct 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your’e forgetting UDFAs which, as the Bills demonstrate, can yield at least a few more players every year.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Oct 21, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Between Coach Bob & stetzwebs

I think the two of you have have just definded the Bills method of team building.

by atsnigduh2u on Oct 22, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't heard much chatter about Fat Pat

but would definitely welcome him back. I think he could be effective rotating in for 20 plays a game, maybe even 10-15. Could come at a bargain rate, maybe a couple million a year so it’s a good deal for player and club alike.

As for the cautious building through the draft, I for one feel confident in the players that were chosen by this FO. Whether they work out or not, the majority of them seemed like very logical picks fans of the team could get behind. Even the FAs for the most part have been good pick ups (Good: Dwan Edwards, Nick Barnett; Bad: Cornell Green). Looking back at the previous regime, I didn’t necessarily feel this confident.

What Buddy and Chan are building seems right, and I hope Whaley is learning well so he can take over the reigns from Buddy one day without so much as a hiccup.

Sign Fat Pat.

by NordicBillsfan on Oct 20, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Brian. Food for thought.
Pooh bear. “Think, think, think..”

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 20, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff

What they seem to be looking for are great football players that have no egos. And they seem to be finding them. That’s why when I hear “big” names, I can tell if my team is going after them right away by looking at their personalities. If I only know about said players from their performance, I assume there is a chance that they might become a Bill, otherwise, I stop paying attention.

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak" "Did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbor!!??"-John Belushi

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Oct 20, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good, thought-provoking article Brian...Rec'd

keep up the good work!

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by StroudFanClub on Oct 21, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Excellent article.

Thanks Brian.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Oct 21, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Fat Pat

Was a great Bill once & it would be nice to see him again in a Bills uniform, provided he can still play (stuff the middle ) but how could you tell the NFL is very restrictive about contact in practice right now, how can you access any interior lineman these days obviously they do and I’m just being a little filp about the rules but it is a challenge to work guys out with the hitting ( non hitting ) restrictions. But Big Fat Pat as we know or remember him to be would be more than welcomed he’d be wanted. By the way he was a pretty good guy in the looker room and community if I remember correctly.

by atsnigduh2u on Oct 22, 2011 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

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