This is the same Fitz
by statcruncher on Oct 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT
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PrintToday Eric Wood had a quote saying that we have all seen Fitz evolve as an efficient passer. I hear that argument bandied around like a fact this year. But it doesnt appear to be the truth. The only reason it appears that way is because we are winning.
I dont know if it is the weather or increasing injuries in the team as the season goes on, but Fitz completion drops during the latter half of the season. Here is his record last year till 24th Oct 2010, ie, all the games he played before this time last year.... He played 4 games lost all 4 but he threw 977 yards on 128 attempts with a 7.6 average and 63.3% completion. He also threw 11 TDs and 4 INTs... All that is on pace for 3908 yds, 44TDs and 16 INT over 16 games.
The key number is 63.3% accuracy. So obviously fitz was playing really good till this point last year. And after that he ended the year with a 58% accuracy. So his accuracy after this point on last year was 55.6% with and average of 6.5 yds/attempt. I hope it is not the weather.
His record so far this year is 6 games, 134 attempts, 1477 yds, 7.3 average & 66.3 % completion, 12TD & 6 INT... that's on pace for 3939 yds, 32 TD & 16 INT... so he is the same as last year, infact he was a bit more productive last year.
His completion percentage has definitely increased from 63.3% to 66.3% so far but 63.3% is a great number by itself... The real test is how he plays the rest of the season and that was always the test. Can he show improvement from 55.6% to atleast 60%?
If anyone believes that Fitz got his contract because he became better, or worse, he got the contract because Nix and Gailey felt he got getter then they are in serious trouble.
I am not against the extension at all, but I fully accept that it is a gamble and not based on any improvements. What has improved is we have won 4 out of 6 games and I think it is more because of overall improvement in the team.
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Interesting look at the numbers. I do have a problem with your logic though. At first, you show that Fitz’s passing efficiency has not improved since last year. OK. But, then you imply that Fitz hasn’t “gotten better” than last year. This is a different conclusion than strictly numbers. Quarterbacking involves leading a team through a 60 minute war. I absolutely think our QB has gotten better at doing that. The fact that his Center is coming out and giving him public props is one indication of that.
by JapanJohn on Oct 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well then, how do you suggest to determine whether Fitz has gotten better?
And, I know it in my heart doesn’t count. Also, what the team says means very little. The supported JP, Edwards, and Fitz when those changes were made too. Face it…..Fitz is just as likely to show the same decline that he did last year as he is to maintain his current level of production.
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Stats are helpful up to a point, but they have to be combined with a feel for the game. It’s hard to quantify some things like “spark”. Fitz has brought a spark to the Whagon Blasters that they have sorely lacked. Maybe some of the shine on Fitz is due to the ugly friend effect; taking over after the JP/Trent era. Still, even statistically Fitz is doing fine. His previous 16 games rivals that of Jim Kelly during 1990. As for the supposed downturn in production during the second half of last season, if it means an upturn in wins (which it did in 2010), then so be it.
By the way, for the stat freaks, how about this one: Much is being made of the fast start we made in 2008. However, the combined records from 2007 of our defeated opponents (Seatt, Jax, Oak, StL, SD) was 39-41. This year’s four wins have come against teams with a combined 2010 record of 42-22. Last year we took quality opponents to OT. This year we’re beating them.
by JapanJohn on Oct 30, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Now that is an encouraging stat...and a much better argument, IMO
And, you are right, a win is a win. The trouble is, at some point fans will not be satisfied with just winning in the regular season……ask Jets and Cowboys fans about that.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
At Some Point...
…yes, that’s true. But that’s over a period of prolonged success. The Bills haven’t had a period of prolonged success in a decade and a half. So right now, to me at least, every win seems magnified – in a good way.
The premise of the post is flawed. Expecting Fitz to fail under similar conditions from last year is one thing, but saying he’s the same player without any facts to back it up – since we haven’t played the second half yet this year – renders the whole thing moot. Now, if the headline was “I BET this is the same Fitz…” then yes, this would be a completely legit expectation based on the numbers. But it isn’t.
As an aside, I’m kind of surprised. Since Bledsoe’s better days, Bills fans have wanted someone to read the defense and be able identify the blitz (Losman, Edwards, even Bledsoe), have nice touch in the short passing game (Losman) inspire his teammates (Holcomb, Edwards, maybe even Losman), be willing to take some shots downfield (Holcomb, Edwards), and possess a little mobility (Edwards, Holcomb, Bledsoe). Fitz provides all that. He’s more accurate than Losman on everything but the deep routes, he’s more assertive and confident than Edwards, he can move and avoid pressure unlike Drew, and can get the ball into places Holcomb never would or could. Yes, the bar is low, but that’s what we’ve got over the past decade (almost).
Do I think he’s the long-term answer? No. He’s just not good enough to be a starting QB for a successful franchise for 6-8-10 years. But do I think BIlls fans should be happy they’ve locked up an improvement over what they’ve had at the most important position on the football field in nearly a decade? Yes. Stability is huge in this league. It also sends a positive message to the team, it reinforces (after the Williams extension) a positive message around the league, and if they can lock up SJ and even give Freddie a raise/extension for a couple years, FAs might start to take a second look at what the Bills are building/willing to spend.
Just my 2 cents.
by T McGee on Oct 30, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your 2 cents
Happens to be common sense! Great job
good post....I agree with most of it
since we haven’t played the second half yet this year
this has been my point all along. I have said all along that I don’t know if Fitz will continue to play well or if he will regress again. And for the record, we have not reached half way yet……4+2 =6 not 8 :-)
Do I think he’s the long-term answer? No….
As long as CHIX agree and look to draft Fitz’s replacement, then there isn’t a problem.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Extrapolating small samples is dangerous. The variance on a small set of games is naturally higher, so the differences may be exaggerated. Extrapolating out that type of thing might suggest there are big differences, when in fact they aren’t given the natural ups and downs through the season. Defenses vary, weather varies, and injuries vary and that pretty much affects every QBs ability to do his job to some degree.
But more big picture, the organization and the players look at a lot more than their game log when trying to ascertain whether a guy is taking to their role or not. This might not look better when comparing 4 game samples. But it might look better for lots of other reasons (he is checking into a run more often when he is supposed to — hence Freddys numbers are better, he is finding the RIGHT receiver to throw the ball to and making better reads, he has a better mastery of the playbook, his footwork has improved), but they might not show up in four week summary.
Honestly, I think its over-analyzing a line about Ryan getting better and better. It doesn’t really matter what his stat line says, if they think he is a guy that can potentially throw for 3000+ yards and 20+ Tds with a 2:1 TD ratio, well, thats it isnt it?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I concur with greysquirrel.
I would also add that the second half of last season is when the O-Line began piling up injuries. Seemed each week there was one more waiver wire pick up to replace another injured player. Remember the Minnesota game?
I see the points you are making here. We will see if Fitz’s game changes as the season progresses.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 29, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say, even if it DOES change, it doesn’t mean its a bad deal. He wasn’t paid like a top 5 QB in this league (which is what he looks like in QBR) or even like a top 10 QB which is what he look like in rating.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
which is why
Extrapolating small samples is dangerous.
the Bills should have waited for a greater sample size.
f they think he is a guy that can potentially throw for 3000+ yards and 20+ Tds with a 2:1 TD ratio, well, thats it isnt it?
Yes it is, but we don’t have to like it. They thought Edwards was the guy…..do we still have to say that was the right move? The took Spiller…..do we still have to pretend that was a great pick? Blind homerism does not make you a better fan.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
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Spiller is not a BUST
everyone keeps saying this hes gotten better every game. He hasnt had the impact that we all wouldve liked but Fred Jackson is one of the top 5 rbs in the league right now. This extension was necessary and good. We have stability at the QB position for once and now we can build a team around fitz, not draft a rookie and wait for him to develop.
Fitzmagic
Bust? Who said bust?????
I said not a great pick…..this is exactly the kind of blind homeristic reaction I was talking about. Fred was already on the roster when they picked Spiller…remember…and Lynch too???? We had a very good 1-2 punch at RB before Spiller was taken. Spiller was drafted to be this explosive offensive threat who was immediately going to inject life into our offense. Spiller has NOT been the big play home run hitter he was meant to be….and it isn’t because CHIX didn’t try to make it happen. And not drafting a rookie QB and waiting for him to develop is exactly why the Colts are screwed and part of the reason the Pats have tons of picks.
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ok yea maybe i overreacted haha
but i will never understand the feeling that spiller was a bad pick. and he has made some big plays this year. didnt one game he had 4 rushes. for 68 yards. and while a week ago i would agree with you about QB, i dont anymore. Before i felt like we shouldve signed fitz to a 3 year 27 mill deal w/o much guranteed, draft a QB this year to develop for the next couple years. But now i like the deal. It gives us stability to build our team and then in 3 years or so after we are a consistently good team, then we can draft a QB of a the future.
Fitzmagic
And not drafting a rookie QB and waiting for him to develop is exactly why the Colts are screwed and part of the reason the Pats have tons of picks.
I don’t get your argument here. I think the reason the Pats have tons of picks is that they trade away players like Seymour and trade down during the draft.
As for the Colts, it seems like their team is a complete catastrophe right now. More problems than just a QB. I will agree, though, that you do need to invest in backups. I think we have: Thigpen has starting experience, and Brad Smith could also take over in a pinch.
You had me until Thigpen.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 30, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It is about developing your backup QB/successor QB
Bledsoe and Cassel were both trade for picks. Currently, they are developing Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
There is a difference between bust and not a great pick at that spot. They didn’t need him. That’s the point.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 30, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right the front office is not perfect. But that doesn’t mean signing Fitz later is a good idea. Its splitting hairs is my point. The only way you can really take umbrage with this decision is if you just dont like Fitz, and would prefer drafting a QB. Because this clears the deck for Stevie, improves leverage with other FAs and pays Fitz an amount that basically assumes there will be regression in his game.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wrong on all counts
I like Fitz. He may have taken a step forward….but maybe not. Why couldn’t the Bills have resigned Stevie first? Leverage with FAs???? Why? How does waiting until December hurt our standing with FAs? I still don’t see any reason this had to be done now.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
If I’m wrong on all counts, why are you asking so many questions? Does this mean the front office IS perfect?
Lets say they signed Stevie first. Why wouldn’t you be saying “Stevie has only played X many games. And he hasn’t stayed healthy. And we could ahve waited to see more of what he can do.”
If we have Fitz locked up, we can threaten someone else with the franchise tag. Not be forced to choose. That how it gives us leverage. It also means our pitch includes a QB.
How does waiting till December help us? A few games isn’t gonna change his average numbers much, up or down. So why let him get closer to thinking about FA? Why tell his agent to fly a kite when they already know they want to extend him?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my bad
You are right the front office is not perfect.
You were right about that. I feel Stevie has shown more than Fitzy. Either way, QB is so much more important to get right. And that pitch is only a good pitch if Fitz doesn’t flame out. It doesn’t hurt us to wait until the end of the season to sign them both….hell, I don’t care…sign them at the same freaking time if they want to.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
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What Could Stevie Have Shown Without Fitz?
Stevie came into Last Year with 7 catches on his resume? Woudl he, could he have Blossomed with Trent playing all of last year?
by swampdog #1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Many of us spotted Stevie's talent being wasted during the Jauron era
Sure….he needs a QB to get him the ball (not to under throw sure TDs for picks), but in NO way do I think Stevie would not excel on any team with an average QB.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Well it took us almost a decade to find an average to above average QB. I wouldnt make it sound so trivial.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
where did I say it was trivial?
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
But making it sound like Stevie is the more rare commodity. I dont think thats necessarily true.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
not more rare....just that he would still be successful without Fitz
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Not if we have a below average QB.. which we probably would.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Potenially?
So we pay hoping he can achieve positive results? Sound like Merriman signing, how that work out? Money not withstanding. Fitz wasn’t answer going into season and his sudden “popularity” as a qb of the future baffles me. Its like ened of pre-season,jk!
by buffalobacker on Oct 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The 2010 season is past. Gailey realized his mistake in choosing Trent Edwards as the starter after week 2. He quickly changed course and Fitz’s popularity has grown since then due to him being a smart, tough leader.
To compare Fitz and Merriman doesn’t make sense because we paid Merriman on the hope that he would return from injury. With Ryan, we are paying a healthy QB who is achieving positive results. Have we already forgotten that we broke the Patriot curse this year?
we pay hoping he can achieve positive results?
Since players aren’t played retroactively, this is the only way to pay any player at any position.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
the smell test
i trust chan gailey and buddy nix’s judgment, and the number of points put on
the board in six games…..and and and………
were you watching fitz this year versus last year?
you do not see progress in this offensive under his control?
wow……
here is another stat for you: in 16 games fitz had the best QB numbers of
any Bills QB in history, except for Jim Kelly…and they were damn close to
Kelly’s best numbers ever….
Fitz scored on every ball possession against Oakland in the 2nd half, and
he scored TDs…………
never been done before, 35 pts without a mistake…
take your nitpicking stats and put them in the wastebasket.
they do not pass the smell test for the point you are trying to make.
Fitz is better, much better than last year, and much much better than
he was 2 yrs ago…
I could care less whether he completes 60 or 59 percent of his passes.
The smell test is how many points he is putting on the board.
by simonpure on Oct 29, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well, we will see wont we…. we will revisit how fitz is at the end of the season
by statcruncher on Oct 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he has a QB passer rating of 95+
7th in the league going into this weekend.
His career passing percentage even with these numbers are 79+.
It is his first year as a starter, and you see no significant improvement?
he has a completion percentage of 66+, Top 5 in the league
he has 12 TD passes, Top 5 in the league….
The Bils offense is averaging 378 yards a game, Fitz 246 via Passing,
and all this with one of the most porous defenses in the league, which
means our offense barely gets the chances of teams with better defenses…
We get lousy field position, the other teams know we need lots of points
to win, and even still we have one of the best offenses in the league with
a guy barely broken in as a fulltime starter.
you can argue with the significance of facts, but you cannot deny that
something has propelled the offense into a points machine, and it usely
starts with the QB playing at a high level.
This is like last year’s debate which went on for months at this site about
Fitz being a journeyman, therefore, he could not improve, because only
franchise QBs improve, journeyman stay journeyman.
The logic is flawed, the labelling was flowed, and the facts repudiate the
Journeyman Fitz thesis…
keep trying…
cannot wait until the only standard for Fitz is Rogers and Brady lol
haha
wut is " keep trying"? :)
if you dont remember, fitz was all that “top …” after 4 games last year… as i said we will see simon
by statcruncher on Oct 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
"the extension is a gamble.......and not based on any improvements
this is your thesis…….
this thesis is clearly dead wrong…
1. the only gamble is the 24 million guaranteed, since that is the only risk for the
Bills.
2. the contract is 6 yrs/59 million, with 33 million for the first 3 yrs.
3. they can give him 24 million and cut him tomorrow.
4. they could not get a better QB fin the NFL for less than what they paid Fitz.
5. to get a better QB pretty much would mean throwing 1-2 seasons away and hope a free agent shows up or a 1st or 2nd round pick QB becomes better than Fitz, not
a favorable odds proposition.
6. There are signs of substantial improvement all over the map of the past 19 games Fitz has played, a clear steady evolution, most observers, even the News’Jerry Sullivan would admit as much, and he constantly criticizes Nix for bad GM moves, but he has said you gotta lock him up sooner than later
7. to continue with this no improvement in Fitz thesis, which is chock full of hot air and nothing else, I suggest you listen to what the rest of the football experts are saying about Fitz and the job he is doing
8. A gamble, at this moment, for a solid NFL QB with a team struggling to get to the playoffs for the first time in over a decade, would be not to pay Fitz MARKET VALUE.
9. Fitz, arguably gave the Bills A BELOW MARKET VALUE DEAL ……..
10. yes, we will see….but you need to stop with the Fitz has not improved nonsense, because it is insulting to the most casual observer
by simonpure on Oct 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
when i said we will see twice you should leave it at that… especially when you dont read my post properly and list a 10 point reply…
i said i am not against the signing at all and you go into giving me his salary numbers? wut r u trying to prove here?
all my post was he has not improved and we will only know when we see the rest of the year… take a hint….
there are a good number of “casual observers” who do believe fitz has not shown improvement…. ur pointless rebuttals could be an “insult” to them…
and where have i quoted any “expert” that tells you i base my judgements in them.. jeez… you are the one bringing sullivan even to make a point, who i completely detest… infact, u bring sullivan in, for me, that’s the end of debate…
by statcruncher on Oct 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Those signs of improvenment are not over a big enough sample size
remember Edwards lead us to a 5-1 record? Compare Edwards stats to Fitz’s and get back to me
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
So Edwards had a good 6 game stretch against bad team and that means we can’t sign Fitz? I don’t get this logic at all. Edwards is irrelevant. Its about what they know of Fitz (and what they know is more than 6 games). And what Fitz is getting paid is based on a guy that has bad games too. So how is this a bad deal? A few more games isn’t gonna change Fitz’s averages much.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The logic is simple....
Don’t expose yourself to unnecessary risk if you don’t have to. And Edwards isn’t irrelevant. CHIX picked him over Fitz….remember? That plus their decision to pass on many good prospects in the past two drafts calls CHIX ability to evaluate into question. I don’t know if this deal will end up being good or bad, but I do know we have more than half a season yet to be played, not a few games.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
You seem to be focused on the risks of signing a guy and not on the risks of not having him at all.
Why don’t you stop worrying about Chix and start making your own evaluation. Its a good deal or a bad deal on its merits and on Fitz, not because they played Edwards for two games one time or because they didnt draft “X” player.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Logic is Flawed
The biggest (false) assumption in your logic is GMs and caoches in the NFL see Fitz with your eyes. They Don’t. If Fitz became a free agent at the end of the year as many as 9 or 10 teams would be interested in his services.
Jay Cutler has a cannon of an arm in Chicago, but he apparently needs a 5 to 7 step drop, which doesn’t help his weak offensive line protect him. Don’t think Lovie Smith and their gm wouldn’t love a QB with a quick release and even quicker mind to help their offense. Their jobs depend on sloving the Bears’ offensive problems.
by swampdog #1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitz With Your Eyes?
You have some insight to GM’s feelings around the NFL? I’m curious how your opinion is gospel and everyones else is false? You see dead people as well?
by buffalobacker on Oct 29, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL......well said....unless of course he is in contact with all 32 coaches/GMs
And what does a QB’s drop have to do with his release?
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Cutler has a slower longer releasr. In order to be able to get the ball out with a bad o line he has to take a drop back of 5-7 steps. That is what he is saying. Plus footwoork directly relates to your releasr. Ie fitz throwing off his back foot.
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by matthew62 on Oct 29, 2011 11:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So all Cutler and Tebow have to do is take a 3 step drop and their release will be faster?
I know what he is saying and I think he is wrong.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Your weak attempt an Ridicule Aside..
…You Didn’t respond to My Point that other GMs would be interested in Fitz.
I have said several times....maybe not here specifically, but this discussion has raged across several threads
I don’t think that other GMs are going to be willing to overpay for Fitz. And if they do, the Bills always have the option of matching it.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
So that means the Bills overpay for Fitz. Isnt that what you are worried about now (even though we have clearly underpaid him relative to his first 6 games)?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have never said I was worried about this contract overpaying Fitz as long as he continues to play well
and if you want to go back 6 games, you might as well go back to when he first signed with the Bills before you decide we was underpaid for the whole contract.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
If you arent worried about overpaying him, then why do you want to see him play 5 more games? You think we were gonna let him walk? It would take a severe degradation in his game for that to be the case.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it would
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
So I would say this low probability event, getting MUCH worse. Is balance with getting a better deal, getting some of our FA signings underway, freeing up our use of the tag, and using up some cap space.
Plus, you ahve no idea if Fitz’s people were pushing for sooner and saying they would demand to visit free agency if it was much later.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your missing something, which is that he didn’t get paid like his stats deserved for the first 6 games. Maybe the front office expects him to be less effective in the late games of the year. That could be true of many QBs. If Fitz and the front office thought he was going to stay this efficient for every game, he would have commanded a HIGHER price.
But ultimately, I think what you’ve gone and said is that he played better than his average for the first 6 games. Some of that might be overall improvement. Some of it might be conditions. But I would emphasize he got paid more like his average (not the performance in the first 6 games).
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We haven't played a game since October 24th this year.
It’s okay not to like the extention or the monetary value of it but it is what it is just like the stats you researched. We also lost all those games he was more effecient in last year and it was the second half of last year that we came so close to winning more than we lost, ending in a 4 – 4 record to finish out the season. We have got to let the guy play his game before jumping to conclusions. Your theory supports an expectation, but Fitz is not the only upgrade to this season. Our O-Line is much more secure, Freddy is having a monster season and we are still averaging more points per game. Peyton Manning may be the difference maker in Indianapolis, but we have our stock invested in much more, called a team concept and Fitz is the one that gets them involved in this. We are in a good situation with much more to improve on, but Fitz is the man to make it happen.
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by VanScottM on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Imma Rec this Van
I do believe that Fitz’s value to are team is much more then just a Qbr rating and a Qb accuracy percentage he is the leader of this team (I dont know how this happened by the way) but he has shown me that he is and that has imo been the reason why we are 4-2 right now and I am by know means a Fitz supporter but what he has done is make all the offensive player and the team rally around him
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"Maybe i'm talking fast or your just listening slow"
I know I’m massively biased as a Bills fan but Fitz is one of the best things to have happened to this franchise in the last few years.
He is a very good QB, an awesome leader and a fantastic person … I have no idea why people can say this contract is too expensive … what was the alternative … sign him for a couple of million less … he might not have signed and it isn’t even our money!!!
I HATE people who say negative things about this contract … so so petty
GO BILLS
by UKBillsFan on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
GO BILLS!!!!!!!
I’ll wait until you say something sig worthy
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Oct 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely agree UKBillsFan.
He has all the tools including leadership and integrity. Something we haven’t had in a QB in a very long time. Not only does this give Fitz a good deal it solidifies the team around him. Now the team can really start to build toward playoff contention.
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You have a good point. I really don't get why it was such a rush
Fitz still has to play 5 division games. He has a big game with the Jets next week that may determine our playoff push. I would have waited a couple more weeks to see how he does more down the stretch. I really don’t get the rush. I don’t care what people would say, but he would have stayed regardless and a couple more games of winning wouldn’t have drove the price up that much. I would have like to see him against our division rivals and to see how this playoff picture panned out before locking him in for 6 years. I am not against the signing, but would have felt a bit more reassured seeing him beat the snot out of Rex Ryan next week
A couple losses wouldnt have driven the price down much either. Lets say we lose to the jets. Would you not want to sign him? So why wait? Even if this ends up being an 8-8 year, I don’t think this price changes much.
As to the 6 years, its really a 3 year contract with the option to keep him around for 3 more. But the guaranteed money portion is basically 3 years.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point greysquirrel!
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Why wait....two words....Trent Edwards
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are you serious?
you cant compare past Front Offices with the ones now. and did we ever pay Edwards more than his rookie contract?
Fitzmagic
This FO picked Edwards as the starter over Fitz after an open competition at QB
The point isn’t the money….it is THIS FO extending a QB that has not shown he is capable of performing at a high level over an entire season
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
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And instead of extending Edwards they cut him — quickly. So isn’t there a difference here?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man I hope so....because if they cut Fitz before the end of this season, I'm gonna be pissed
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
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Gailey Picked Trent to Start.
Coming in as a new coach, I would have given Trent the 1st shot because he has the better physical tools. But, he doesn’t have the heart or the moxie Fitz does.
by swampdog #1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have....I said Edwards was done and most fans agreed
Then Edwards won the open competition and everyone was sure Changenius would fix him. All things important to a success QB should have been part of the evaluation process. There was plenty of tape on Edwards from the previous season for CHIX to look at.
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by Joe P. on Oct 29, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean plenty of tape with Edwards operating a new offense behind a bad offense line under the recently elevated Alex Van Pelt? I know fans opinions are sacrosanct around here. But saying most fans agree on something doesnt convince me its a good idea. Fans also say we should have had McNabb under center, Locklear at LT, and a grossly overpaid Clabo at RT.
Whats more, QBs with the right physical skills do improve. How many SF fans are putting their foot in their mouth over Alex Smith. He is more capable than they could have imagined 12 months ago.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fine.....what is your excuse for the entire offseason and preseason when Edwards
you know…..actually won the job?
And just because we are fans doesn’t mean we are not occasionally right. I happens to me more than I would like it to.
I never said it was impossible for Fitz to improve….I hope he does…but that doesn’t mean I would have extended him before he proved it to me.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Edwards Looked Better in Camp & Preseason
Trent, playing with the first unit, looked good in camp and preseason. As soon as they started firing real bullets, he froze. I know you remember that, even if it doesn’t fit your point.
Nix and Gailey has seen Fitz upclose for 2 years. They’ve seen him in game action, they’ve seen him working with young receivers and an inexperienced o-line. They’s seen and talked to him in meeting rooms and film study. How much more do they need to see to know he’s capable of of leading this team for the next 3 to 6 years?
Edwards
was nowhere NEAR the leader that Fitz was, and is for this team. IMHO, that’s the reason Fitz is getting his payday. He’s forged the identity of this team, and he’s elevating the play of all of the no name, high draft picks and undrafted players around him. The team rallies around him, and play better for him than how their “measurables” or their draft order or their paycheques say they should play.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Oct 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As I’ve said many times. He doesnt need to improve for this to be a good deal. It was my original complaint with this post. If he is throwing for 24+ TDs and 3200+ yards. You keep him even if thats as good as he gets.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I posited we could watch the whole season and then decide. Do you have a souped up Delorian that allows us to watch the entire 3 years period. Determine whether or not he turns into a pumpkin and then jettisons us back in time to tell Buddy precisely what to do? If so, I’m in. If not, nows the time to decide.
Its fine if you just dont think Fitz is good. But thats a different issue than saying he’s gonna turn into Trent Edwards. Any QB can regress. It happens. But that doesnt mean you can get by without one.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why do we need to go back in time 3 years?
Why can’t we just wait until mid December? And I think Fitz is good….just not great. I hope I am wrong, but I would like to be proven wrong before CHIX tie their wagon to Fitz for the next 3 years.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
So you want to wait until free agency to sign Fitz, Stevie, Bell, Chandler, etc. What is different at that time for Fitz? Contracts are risky. Not having contracts is ALSO risky. We need to shift a lot of guys to contracts. Gotta start somewhere.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't realize FA started before the end of the season this year.
Teams get contracts done before the start of FA every year. Not a big issue.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
And players get closer and they choose to wait and see. Drayton cost us more than he should have. Poz got PAID and bolted. IT is a big issue. Leverage is way lower when the agent is closer to letting his guy get to free agency.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't put Fitz, Drayton, and Poz in the same cateagory
Drayton and Poz were a know commodity. The Bills were willing to resign them, but not over pay for them. Fitz is more of a question mark. If Fitz remains consistent, then we didn’t overpay. If he flames out this year we did. Again, I don’t see Fitz being a hot FA this year. If he is, it means he grossly outperformed the contract he just signed.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
I dind’t see Poz being such a hot free agent. Whoops. And now you have no QB. Whoops.
But thats not really fair to Fitz, a guy who is an above average QB is gonna be popular. Just look at the market for guys in his class. They are so popular, they are usually TRADES. They dont even get to free agency. He doesn’t need to be an elite QB to be desired (which seems to be what you are saying). Lots of teams have guys worst than Fitz and who could see him as an instant chance to improve their team and provide stability.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It sounds like your argument is premised on there are no risks of Fitz signing elsewhere or of demanding more if we wait, therefore we just didnt have to do this now. Thats where we disagree.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
close.....i would say little risk of signing elsewhere and I would give him more money if he proved he desereved it
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
and it also seem to me that you are sure Fitz will not regress....I am not ready to make that assumption.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
At no point do I claim he doesnt regress.
In fact, I think he does somewhat (at least from these first 6 games). And I think some degree of regression is built into this contract (Which is why I think its fair!). Thats why I don’t think waiting will definitely help. He may regress some and still deserve this contract, he may get better and he might get more or test FA. If he kept playing like he has, this contract would look like a steal. If he plays a bit worse, it looks fair.
He is currently on pace for about 4,000 yards and 32 TDS and a 95 rating. You think we just paid him for that? No way. We paid him like he isn’t that good. So that even if we watched him a few more games and he didnt play as well, what difference does it make? You gonna let a 3200 yard guy who throws 24TDS go?
So thats in a nutshell why I don’t have an issue with it. It’s not premised on him putting up
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whoops
him putting up these same numbers for the next 16 games. Thats why I think this concern he gets worse is overblown. He might get worse in the back-half, lots of guys do. But that doesnt make the contract too rich or inappropriate.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the Bottom Line of their Argument..
..no one else wants Fitz.
by swampdog #1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
not true.....no majical team that needs a QB but won't draft one
will be willing to overpay for Fitz by so much that the Bills wouldn’t be willing to match it.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Thats right, because there arent magical teams. But one of the other teams the REAL teams, that paly in the NFL might want to sign a QB and not be forced to gamble in the draft. Drafting a QB is just as much a gamble (more so I would argue) than signing a guy you’ve seen play for the current coach for 19 games. But you seem to love the idea of that kind of small sample, huge risk to bet the next few years on.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
this is going nowhere.....we already listed the most likely teams and came up with one
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Did we?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you did, but of course, it only takes ONE team. It doesnt take more than one. So I dont see how this makes anyone feel better.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
… will be willing to overpay for Fitz by so much that the Bills wouldn’t be willing to match it.
You have mentioned this twice at least.
If Fitz was not re-signed/extended before the end of the season he would have been a Free Agent, nor a Restricted Free Agent. If restricted then a matching offer would bind him here. Since he would have been a Free Agent he would NOT be bound to accept a Bills matching offer.
You miss the intangible aspect of humans. These contract negotiations add to feelings that the Bills WANT Fitz. Some may poo-poo the emotional aspect, but it is not all about money. Feelings of appreciation, and others, are necessary to a good relationship.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Did the Colts what Manning? Guess not because the didn't sign him mid-season
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
This post makes no sense.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, when guys get extended in season, it exposes a risk to the team but it also improves their negotiating position. Players want to get signed earlier, not have to risk injury or poor perfromance.
When the season is over, why should a guy sign before free agency? He’s played his games, the team refused to extend him when he wanted it (and he may be miffed about that — he could commit to seeing free agency) so he definitely tests free agency. When games are yet to be played, teams have some upper hand. Once the season is over, its all players. They can just say screw it, I’ll consider you in free agency, they rarely have something to lose by hearing all comers.
I don’t want that to happen with our guys.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The NFL is a business
Players want to get signed earlier, not have to risk injury or poor perfromance.
Fred wants a contract too…..but he is going to have to wait. So, what players want isn’t always what they get.
When the season is over, why should a guy sign before free agency?
Because the Bills made him a very good offer and he wants to continue playing for this team. Why is a team required to extend a player before this contract is up? I would rather pay Fitz more later if he shows he deserves it than pay him now when he hasn’t.
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
I’m not saying they always get what they want. I’m saying you have something to offer them now (security) and you can’t offer them that later. Fred’s situation is totally different, he’s under contract another year.
Because the Bills made him a very good offer and he wants to continue playing for this team.
Right, and by very good offer, it has to be he thinks he isn’t gonna do much better than free agency. Cause if he can do even a little better – cya.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why.....wouldn't he ask the Bills to match it?
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
He would, and then we’d be in whats called a ‘bidding war’ for a guy who was giving us more than a fair deal three months ago. Not a good move for a small market team.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe P., if Fitz’s 19 starts haven’t convinced you of his worth, would 4 or 5 more really do the trick? It seems like your only issue with the signing is the timing. It was a bye week deal, surely that plays into the timing.
It might for me......would depend on his performance
But, yeah, if Fitz performs in the last 10 games like he did in the first 6, then sure….I would be good with giving him this deal.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
If Fitz performs in the last ten games like he did in the first six, we would be paying a lot more money. This is not a deal for a 4000 yard 32 TD passer passer with a 95 rating. Thats what we have in the first 6 weeks. IF thats the only way you like Fitz — good luck finding a starting QB.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm OK with
If Fitz performs in the last ten games like he did in the first six, we would be paying a lot more money.
If Fitz has earned it….give it to him.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
OR we could just sign him to a fair deal now and take that off the table. What is the risk you are concerne with? I don’t get it. You dont care if he plays well and we have to pay him more but you do care if he plays worse and we could have paid him less? These things are symmetric… Why does one concern you more than the other? Unless he plays his worse ten game stretch of his Bills career (by a large margin) he is getting extended.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Becasue like others have said, we are all in with Fitz for at least three years
So IMO, CHIX will not be looking to draft a QB high in the draft to groom. If Fitz proves to be the 8-8 QB I think he is, then we are look at 3 years of being a fringe playoff team. I was hoping for more than that, and now our only hope is Fitz must improve.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
1) I dont think this means we dont look for a QB for three years.
2) You seem to think the outside option (not signing Fitz) means we get someone who is better — thats not exactly a bet I’m interested in taking. Drafting a guy probably gives you a worse QB, especially if you force it by not having another option on the roster.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, re-signing a guy in December sounds like a distraction to a team that could well be in a playoff hunt.
It is only a distraction if Fitz thinks the Bills don't want to resign him
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
And if he asked to be resigned and we said wait until theres no more risk on the teams part, what is he supposed to think?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is supposed to think he better keep playing well if he wants a new contract
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
and that maybe we dont want to resign him…
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
like I said above, by that logic the Colts didn't want to resign Manning
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Colts- Manning reasons have no bearing on the Bills-Fitz.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Oct 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
timing
Don’t you think it’s very possible that the Bills got this deal done now so they can apply some of it to the 2011 cap? I know in years past there was a date in late October or early November where any team that signs a player to an extension before that date can apply some of the bonus to the current year’s cap. I’m not sure what the date is this year, if it’s even still possible with the new CBA, but don’t you think this could have been a part of the team’s thinking? This way, the team could have more freedom to get the other guys under contract later on.
~K
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by Kurupt on Oct 30, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a good thought......and would depend entirely on when that "date" is....
but that is one of the better reasons I have heard so far.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Trent Edwards
Never beat the Patriots. The two r totally different (speaking of which, I wonder if Trent still lives w his sister).
If I remember correctly, he came very close.....like last minute heartbreakingly close
Don't fear the Reaper......fear The Beard
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Maybe Trents playing horeshoes somewhere. I hear ‘close’ means something in that game.
Too bad it means squat in pro football:)
by DJ O on Oct 30, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not the point.....but you guys don't want to be objective about this, so I am going to let it go.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Anyone who couldn’t see the difference between Fitz and Edwards the moment Fitz took over must be blind. Make your point (there is a valid arguement to make), but saying “look at Trent Edwards” isn’t your best argument. Find another QB who received massive money based on a small sample size (Kolb?). It’s not like teams are deciding to sign TE to big money after seeing him in Buffalo and Jacksonville. The idea here isn’t does Fitz deserve 59 million (any reasonable person is horrified by sports contracts). The question is the market. That’s what average to better than average QBs make. He’s the 12th highest paid. Name 12 better QBs in the NFL. If you can’t do it, then he deserves this money and it sends a crappy message to his teamates to leave him out there.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 30, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The only reason I make the comparision is because I remember what people were saying about Edwards
when the Bills were 5-1. Fans were sure he was the Bills next franchise QB. Edwards was on all the sports shows, just like Fitz is now…..then the bottom falls out and all people remember is how much Edwards sucked. I have no problem with the money, I just think the Bills could have waited to see how Fitz does later in the season.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
So the plot is similar? Why can’t I choose a different story? Like some other QB that came out at 5-1 or 4-2, went on all the talkshows, and had a better ending. But more than that, why dont you compare him to players he resembles (i.e. football), than the media line. This offense and Fitz are putting up a lot more points that Trent, winning with a worse defense, and against better teams.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Choose whatever story you want....like I said, I would have waited
there is no real reason not to wait….other teams have signed much better QBs in the later part of the season or off season. It isn’t uncommon.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
You can repeat there were no reasons, but I think thats whats getting people batty. They give you reasons and you ignore them.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would also add, since no one else mentions it. That it takes two to deal. Timing could have been driven as much by Fitz’s agent saying its the bye week or its free agency for us. In which case, the team doesnt get to wait the one or two weeks more it ideally wants.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Oct 29, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point greysquirrel!
If you don’t learn something here, you just aren’t paying attention. ~jonramz
The fact that
fans are complaining that we spent money on a QB who has played well, NOT awesome, not top tier, but well………just boggles my mind. He has a leader, he needs the Bills, the Bills need him for their offense and as a leader, and he was paid in line with his results and performance! How is this bad? WHo cares if we didn’t wait until the end of the season! My lord, this is ridiculous….I hate to say it, but as soon as we have gotten a taste of victory again, some fans have just been acting insane. Fitz brings stability, leadership, and he WILL help get Stevie signed as well. Now, we fill other holes on the team, give him some tools to work with, and see what happens. There is no downside to this.
Make no mistake, Fitz does make this rag tag group of receivers and O Line better.
by fanick82 on Oct 29, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Other Teams are Watching Too!
“Make no mistake, Fitz does make this rag tag group of receivers and O Line better.”
Make no mistake, Lovie Smith would love a QB who gets the ball out quickly and make his horrible O-line and receivers look better than they do with Jay Cutler and his 7 step drops.
Chicago would definitely be interested if Fitz became available.
by swampdog #1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
100 percent agree
It boggles my mind. The city is tasting real-deal success for the first time in over a decade and we have complaints re: signing a guy who seems to be the glue keeping it all together? I remember that fans overwhelmingly flamed the Sabres policy of “not negotiating contracts during the season”…now when the Bills lock up a big-time QB for the longterm, we have complaints? Thus far, the coaching staff/management have surprised us ALL with their capabilities so I’m starting to trust them. C’mon Buffalo – sit back and enjoy it. Happy Monday! :)
PS - it’s time to sign FRED JACKSON
Push your chips all in. The betting is over.
Fitz is the leader and we all gotta get on board.
The train has left the station….. It might be held together by duct tape right now, but I love watching this team!
Our first win in Toronflo or Buffalanto is this Sunday! 5-2 baby.
Reality check.
Sure feels better than 0-8, don’t it?
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 29, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Buffalo is not really betting much at all. The contract is designed to make it easy to draft a qb and sit him behind fitz without money proplems. In three years his guarenteed money his gone. This was done as a bills security blanket also. If they can not trade him. Cutting him cost them nothing and thats all based on them drafting a qb in this draft. No much of a gamble in it.
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by matthew62 on Oct 29, 2011 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree. Nothing will stop them from taking a QB in the draft if they truly like one. That’s what we’ve all said in the past two drafts “hey, at least they didn’t pick a guy they didn’t like and filled other needs instead.”
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 30, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Nix and Chan Have seen Enough!
It’s amazing, guys who’ve only seen Fitz play 19 games the past 1 1/2 years think that’s the sample size Nix and Gailey are using to evaluate Fitz as a QB. Nix and Gailey have seen and studied Fitz upclose and personal for 2 years. They’ve seen him in game action; They’ve seen him everyday in practice; They’ve seen him in training camp; they’ve seen him working with young receivers and an inexperienced o-line. They’s seen and talked to him in meeting rooms and film study; they’ve seen how well the team has taken to him as the team leader.
How much more did they need to see to know whether he’s capable of of leading this team for the next 3 to 6 years? If they saw NFL leadership qualities and QB skills in Fitz, how could they figure other GMs and coaches, whose business it is to study the opposition, would be as blind as some Bills’ fans.
The irony is if they waited until the end of the season “to be sure” about Fitz and he walked to another team for more money as a free agent, the same guys who complain it’s too soon would criticize Nix for waiting too long to sign him.
by swampdog #1 on Oct 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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