Some Week 4 Thoughts
I didn't have time to throw some thoughts out after last week's thrilling win, but I do right now for yesterday's disgusting loss. The Pats game was an incredibly satisfying game that will resonate for a while. The Bengals game was an ugly disaster that might be the turning point this season. I was thoroughly disappointed in the team's performance yesterday, as they looked flat and let Cincinnati dictate the game. In fact, I'd say that Cincy was the better team for most of the game. In the end, the end result confirms that unfortunately. This was such a big game for the team and they failed the test. At this point, the Bills just may not be ready to be a contender, nor are they ready to win these types of games consistently. The good teams find ways to win game where they don't play well and I'm not sure the Bills are there just yet. Let's hope they learn quickly and figure out how to put these games away. It's still a mostly young roster that hasn't won a lot. It's going to take time in this area.
- Why did the team come out so flat and look out of sync all game? Cincy did a great job defensively against our offense, but overall the team just didn't look ready or as focused as the first three games. Did the media attention really get to them? I have to believe it did, even if only slightly. They spent a lot of time all week doing interviews and seeing new faces in the locker room and press conferences. That could have disrupted their preparation a bit. Who knows, but the team just didn't seem as ready as they have all year and were totally smoked in the second half.
- Did Fitz turn back into a pumpkin now that we are into October? He was just AWFUL yesterday and it's shocking that he didn't throw a disgusting interception. So kudos on that, I suppose. He was back to throwing inaccurate passes to wide open receivers, which really derailed some drives and kept the offense out of sync all day. I have to believe the Cincinnati pressure was a big part of this, making him uncomfortable in the pocket and throwing maybe a split second earlier than he'd like. Whatever it was, Fitz needs to get back to what he was doing the first three weeks. Yesterday, there were a number of missed opportunities due to poor Fitz throws and it led to stalled drives and missed scoring chances. Can't have that this week.
- What was up with all the 3rd down passes down the right sideline? Obviously, Gailey must have seen something on film to make him believe that was an area to target, but jeez, how many times can you go back to a dry well? Looking at the NFL.com play-by-play, three first half drives ended with an incompletion deep down the right side on 3rd down (and one was deep to the left). These were 3rd and 4, 3rd and 3 and 3rd and 6 situations, so why were they going deep? The deep left pass to Brad Smith was on a 3rd and 4, as well. Why weren't they sticking with the underneath stuff to get the first down? Why weren't they trying the deeper passes on 1st and 2nd down? I just didn't like the playcalling in these 3rd down situations. They ran high risk, high reward plays that just weren't working. The team could have really opened the game up in the first half if they sustained these drives.
- Somebody send out an APB on David Nelson. Where was he for the majority of the game yesterday? I feel like he wasn't even on the field most of the time, and we also saw a ton of Brad Smith at WR. Nelson only had 3 targets, compared to 8 for Donald Jones and 4 for Smith. He's been a 3rd down machine this year, yet he was an afterthought in that situation yesterday. I don't understand or agree with the plan to go deep early and often on 3rd and relatively shorts when David Nelson has proven to be so effective all year. Stick with your bread and butter, Chan.
- No Brad Smith in the wildcat? That's been a great play on 3rd downs for us all season, yet they didn't run it once against the Bengals. Some of those deep balls on 3rd down should have been snaps to Smith, in retrospect. I'm really surprised he was utilized as a WR so much and didn't get a touch out of the shotgun.
- That was just a TERRIBLE call on the 3rd down catch by Stevie Johnson. Just horrible. Every angle showed that it was a catch and he controlled it the entire way through. There was no bobble and no indication that he didn't catch it. What did that ref see that called it incomplete and why did they not overturn it. If they call that play correctly, the Bills are in Cincy territory with under 8 minutes to play. Another first down and a few more minutes off the clock would have sealed the game, in my opinion. Instead, the refs blew the call, blew the replay and the Bills just played poorer football after it. I just don't know what they saw or why they didn't call it a catch in the first place. I think because they called it an incompletion, and he rolled over with the ball to take away a totally clean replay, they decided to just uphold the call. That play totally changed the game and potentially the Bills season.
- The offensive line was pretty bad yesterday for the first time this year. Cincy has a good DL and they consistently caused havoc in the pocket and in the run game. After a few successful runs out of the shotgun, it was pretty apparent Cincy was ready for that play. I don't know why Gailey kept calling it. And why did they run Spiller on the 2nd and 1 play before the Johnson catch fiasco? Cincy only ended up with 1 sack, but there was consistently solid pressure on Fitz all game long. They did a good job of pushing our interior back and flushing Fitz a few times. He just wasn't comfortable as a result. After a solid first half of run blocking, the OL just couldn't get anything done in the second half. That really hurt the offense's ability to sustain drives.
- Did Demetrius Bell return to the game after he left with the shoulder injury? Is it the same shoulder he hurt in early August? This is concerning because he's been solid all season and I thought Chris Hairston looked overwhelmed yesterday. On Hairston's first snap (the Johnson fiasco), the DE cleanly beat him on a quick inside move, but luckily Fitz had already released the ball. The next drive he looked stiff and in need of RB help. I'm extremely worried if he has to play next week and if Bell's injury is serious. We need Bell in there because he is much better at this point than Hairston. Luckily, Trent Cole will be out next week. He's one of the best pass rushers in the NFL and an absolutely terror when utilizing the bull rush. He would have destroyed Hairston and possibly Bell with that move. Philly still has a great pass rusher in Jason Babin and his league leading SEVEN sacks to worry about. Luckily, their other options are also injured with Juqua Parker (ankle) and Darryl Tapp (chest) missing yesterday's game. Brandon Graham is out for the year, too. Expect a lot of blitzing to make up for those losses and some confusing looks in their fronts.
- Fred Jackson again looked pretty good yesterday, though not quite as effective as the first three weeks. Running that draw out of the shotgun hurt his numbers and ability to get things going, IMO. I wish Gailey would have called more off tackle and outside runs with Jackson, though Cincy's front 7 was playing pretty well. I would have liked to have seen more screens or slants with Freddie, as we have seen plenty thus far.
- I want to see more CJ Spiller on the outside lined up at WR. I really like him on slants or coming underneath on drag patterns. He almost broke one, yet couldn't break the tackle, and could really be a huge plus this week if Philly lines a LB up against him. He continues to look like a major bust as a top 10 pick, but he also needs to be utilized better. He's not a good RB, but he could be a good player with the ball in space and down the field. Heck, I'd rather see him running down the sideline on 3rd downs if that's what the strategy is going to be.
- Guess Scott Chandler isn't going to be much of a factor outside the red zone.
- Our defense is just awful. The run defense, after a solid start, is starting to get lit up again, giving up 130 yards a game, while the pass defense is just plain bad. It's so infuriating watching a pass rush that literally has no chance of getting pressure the majority of the time. There are few blitzes and the overall scheme to get pressure is unimaginative and isn't working. Shawne Merriman is constantly getting neutralized and doesn't have any explosion right now. He got "a sack" yesterday when Dalton ran out of bounds, so at least he'll have one in his Bills career. He needs to play better, but he's not the only one. I saw Arthur Moats getting some rushing opportunities late in the game. They're going to have to continue trying that hoping he can add something to the defense. At this moment, other than maybe long term franchise QB, there is no bigger need. This is easily the biggest hole on the team, and it's not even close.
- There are some gaping holes off tackle to run through. Cedric Benson had a number of big runs as a result. I think our OLB's get themselves out of position too often, rushing upfield looking to get to the QB, while the DE's may not be controlling the OT's and OG's as well as we need. This hasn't been a huge issue thus far this season, but it certainly started to stand out against the Bengals.
- Our secondary, specifically Leodis McKelvin, continues to have their struggles too. Reggie Corner looked bad, but that's to be expected. Florence was okay yesterday and continues to show why he's our best CB. McKelvin is just a bad football player at this point in his career. He just can't cover anybody on a deep ball, consistently getting beat off the line and failing to turn around to make a play on the ball. It's sad that this guy hasn't turned into an average corner at this point in his career, let alone a good one. I smell a 200 yard receiving game from DeSean Jackson next week if McKelvin is on him. He's going to beat Leo deep over and over, and if Vick can get set to throw it, there will be some big plays allowed by our D. I'm dreading this matchup.
- If Andy Dalton can scramble around like a goofball and pick up first downs, what is Michael Vick going to do next week. It wouldn't shock me if he had 100 yards rushing against a team that seems to struggle when the QB gets outside of the pocket.
- The Bengals sure have a great looking 1-2 punch in the passing game with AJ Green and Jermaine Gresham. Both of them are top notch athletes and with solid QB play will be able to terrorize defenses together for some time. Green is incredible and already one of the top 20 WR's in the league to me. Gresham has all the tools to be one of the elite TE's in the league too. Good for Cincy for getting these two players the couple of drafts. That's a nice jolt of explosiveness for a team that obviously needed it.
- Is it just me or has Kyle Williams been mostly a non-factor at this point in the season? He had 77 tackes, 5.5 sacks and 11 tackles for loss last year, and so far this year he has 9 total tackles and 1 TFL. What is going on here? Is he drawing a ton of extra attention and blocking? Is he just playing bad football? He was an absolute menace last year, with no help around him. This year he has a solid player in Dareus next to him, a healthy Dwan Edwards, a solid Shawne Merriman in run defense, and a Chris Kelsay playing the best football of his life. Where is the impact?
- Again, how is this defense going to stop the Michael Vick scrambling next week? I don't know if Nick Barnett has the speed to keep up as a spy, and he'll probably have to deal with Shady McCoy anyhow. This matchup is going to be a nightmare, especially if George Edwards continues his bland scheming.
- Good friend Jason Peters was laying on the turf in a great deal of pain yesterday. I think he hurt his hamstring pretty badly, so I doubt we see him this week. That's a good thing as Philly will have to rely on King Dunlap now.
- More on next week...Philly's D has been pretty bad. They've been run on all season, so I expect Fred Jackson to see a great deal of carries next week, especially in the more traditional between the tackles sense. They've also allowed 8 yards an attempt through the air and are dead last in the league in TD passes allowed, BUT they do lead the league in sacks led by Babin. The opportunities are most definitely going to be there, especially on passes over the middle (see San Fran yesterday). We just need the accurate Fitz to show up.
I'm not at all surprised by what happened yesterday, but I'm very disappointed. This was a game the team needed to have, to me, considering how strong the schedule is about to get. Philly, at the Giants, a solid Redskin team in Toronto, the Jets, three roads game in Dallas, Miami and Jersey, a good Titan team at home and then at San Diego. That's a very rough schedule ahead and if this team wants to avoid falling flat on its face, it needs to win games against mediocre teams like Cincy....especially when you lead by 14. At the very least, this team needs to be 4-2 heading into the bye week. If they end up losing 3 straight going into the bye, I think it's safe to say with that schedule and the loss of momentum, this team is unlikely to make a playoff push. This week is going to be a tough one against an angry Eagles team, and they need to come out a lot more fired up and ready to play. The offense absolutely has to put points on the board and play like they did for most of the first three games.
I hate the feeling of a loss and the day after is always crappy. It hurts even more when the team had started so well, played so well and was playing a very, very beatable opponent that they built a two score lead on. I really hope that Stevie Johnson missed catch wasn't the turning point on this season. The team had dealt with some adversity pretty well to that point; it's now time to get back to what they were doing well and stick it to a team that has really failed to meet expectations thus far. That play may have been the turning point, but this week's game could be the point at which the Bills season either "makes" or "breaks". I really hope Gailey and Edwards are ready to deal with a talented team that is very beatable. We need to see some more imagination this week, while also making sure to go back to our bread and butter (Jackson, Stevie over the middle, Nelson on 3rd downs, etc). The game yesterday will leave a bad taste in my mouth all week, but not all is lost. A wise man once said "pain heals, chicks dig scars, glory...last forever". Time for this team to wipe the Bengals game from memory, get up off the ground and show Philly that this is a team with some staying power.
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If Andy Dalton can scramble around like a goofball and pick up first downs, what is Michael Vick going to do next week.
I’m no NFL coach – but when they lined up 5 wide in the red zone I said “Daltons QB sneaking” and 5 seconds later it was a TD. I hadn’t seen the Bengals line up that way all game and that was so ripe. Good play call by them
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I yelled out to my TV so loud!!
I saw it all the way man, how did Chan not see that? It was 2nd and goal and Benson burned us all the way down so the odds of them risking putting it into the air with Dalton were so low… I can’t believe that Chan didn’t see it.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Doesn’t Chan let Edwards make all the decisions on defense?
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure we'll see much blitzing from Philly on Sunday.
They rarely blitz. Maybe with the Cole injury they will… but Castillo seems pretty confident in his Wide-9 techiniques and expects them to create pressure. Babin is the one Im worried about this week.
Fitz = M(C)²
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Also,
Ive been thinking the same thing in regards to Kyle Williams. Hes been invisable. Not sure if its double teaming, but if thats true then Dwan, and more importantly, Dareus need to step up. But KW95 has been pretty disappointing so far this year.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
The refing in this league is a huge problem
no consistancy. and when you have the ability to watch the replay and still make the wrong play….how?!
they should have been in that position, but that lost the game for us. I would like to hear an explination for how they did not overturn it.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
I’m assuming that since it was called an incomplete, that the replay booth needed to see overwhelming evidence that SJ did NOT drop the pass. But without the proper camera angle, they could not be 100% that SJ did NOT drop the pass, so they were forced to stick with the on-field call.
But it that call that I want an explanation from the NFL front office or from the head of officials. Because not one person in America, other than that official, saw the football on the turf.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
a play that close should be called a completion
and then reviewed. How could he determine that so quickley? he had it
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
That is really why I would love an explanation from the on-field official who made the initial call. What in the world did he see that none of the rest of us did or can via replay.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he saw the same thing the replay official saw. They mistook the defender’s foot for the ball.
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Whose foot?
Nate Clements foot or another defender?
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 4, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the Bills just may not be ready to be a contender
I disagree. Superbowl contender? No. But playoff contender, yes. I don’t see any reason they couldn’t go 3-3 or 4-2 in the division.
They have looked good and bad. So has nearly every team in the league.
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Secondary
Our secondary is not good, and it looks worse because our d-line can’t generate pressure.
When Dalton needed a play, he simply just threw deep to AJ Green.
Vick to Jackson/Maclin and Manning to Nicks
This maybe an out there statement, but I think the Bengals Def. will be the best def. we see all year (maybe just as good as the Jets)
They have a very good def.
DeSean Jackson
McKelvin has not struggled to keep up with receivers downfield, he has struggled to make plays on the ball. He is getting outjumped and misjudging balls. I don’t think he is going to get outrun, which is what DeSean Jackson is so good at. I see McKelvin having a much bigger problem with big athletic receivers like Hakeem Nicks and Dez Bryant.
by ra001m on Oct 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts
I just didn’t like the playcalling in these 3rd down situations.
Exactly! Actually I found that Chan called a horrible game, I blame Chan and the play calling for most of the offensive problems yesterday.
1-2 punch in the passing game with AJ Green and Jermaine Gresham. Both of them are top notch athletes
Holly crap Batman! Green is a monster!! I love this guy! I also love Gresham, sure wish we had a coach that actually believed in using TEs
McKelvin is just a bad football player at this point in his career
I have to agree with you here, this guy is only good for depth, we seriously need to upgrade that position next year
has Kyle Williams been mostly a non-factor at this point in the season?
I was wondering the exact same thing, I was expecting that he’d turn into a Suh or that Dareus would be the big guy on campus but instead their play is pedestrian at best!
Total Lack of a Pass rush!! It certainly is not normal that after 4 games we only have 3 sacks. This IS our biggest weakness, I expect Gailey, Wannstedt & Edwards to figure it out but they need to get pressure on opposing QBs because this is getting ridiculous! Merriman is a complete dud out there. Maybin looked better last night than Merriman has all season. (Not really but it felt good to say it!)
I am kinda glad they lost this game, the way I see it they were bound to lose one and I prefer it being one that they should have won. They let the hype get to them or at the very least they were distracted but the result is the same. Maybe this gives them the kick they needed? I prefer losing to a team outside our division so in that sense it was maybe OK to lose this one.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
by keysh67 on Oct 3, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i think your slightly too pessimsitic
too me andra davis looked bad. He was slow and couldnt make plays. We should put in Kirk Morrison or Sheppard for him. someone quicker. I think that would really help a lot. But we should give fred the ball 30 times against and the eagles and CJ 10. The eagles front 7 might be the weakest we face all year with Trent Cole out. Run the ball control the clock, keep vick off the field
Fitzmagic
Good Luck with that.
But we should give fred the ball 30 times against and the eagles and CJ 10
Chan is a serial run abandoner, it will be a miracle for the two to get 25 touches between them.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 6, 2011 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd....lots of good thoughts and I agree with most of them
Did the media attention really get to them?
I hope that was the case. But after the year they had last season, they should have known better. I am wondering if our good luck just ran out? If the Bills had won, much of these weakness would have continued to have been swept under the rug…..or maybe it is just harder to ignore the trends after week 4.
Did Fitz turn back into a pumpkin now that we are into October?
Sure looked like it. I hope all that “give Fitz a new contract” talk dies down until the end of the season. The Bills need time to figure out if Fitz is really a franchise QB or just a poor man’s Romo.
Why weren’t they sticking with the underneath stuff to get the first down?
I basically asked this same question in the game thread in the first quarter. The answer I got was that Chan was setting the Bengals up…..guess not….maybe he was setting the Eagles up?? This was easily Chan’s worst game of the season from a coaching stand point.
No Brad Smith in the wildcat?
Yeah….don’t care. Until this guy actually completes a pass out of the wildcat that hurts a defense, I would rather let our QB throw the ball and our RBs run the ball.
- That was just a TERRIBLE call on the 3rd down catch by Stevie Johnson.
It is called getting screwed!!!!!! No excuse for that call, especially with replay. Someone should lose there job. In a game neither team deserved to with, that call WAS the difference. But I don’t think that one play will be the turning point in the season. My gut tells me that one way or another, this team will make us forget all about that one bad call by the end of the season.
This (OLB???) is easily the biggest hole on the team, and it’s not even close.
Unfortunately, CB is right there with OLB. McKelvin is never going to be a #1 CB. We will be lucky if he can be a good #3 CB or make the move to safety. Florence is a good #2 CB. Williams is still a big question mark. McGee is done. We are THIN to say the least at CB. I really hate the thought of having to draft a CB with a high pick again. Guess we will have to wait and see which the team needs more so CHIX can go out and draft another waterbug type playmaker….maybe someone to replace Parrish at WR?
Is it just me or has Kyle Williams been mostly a non-factor at this point in the season?
I really hope the prediction I made in the summer doesn’t come true. I had serious doubts if Williams could reproduce the success he had last season and whether Williams was a good fit for this defense? I took a lot of heat by saying we should have traded Williams before the draft to get more picks. I LOVE Williams, but do his strengths as a player really fit with what the Bills want to do defensively. I know Der Jeager convinced us all that he could be productive in our version of the 3-4, but the fact still remains Williams is not a true 3-4 NT and we still can’t stop the run. Olineman seem to be able to get their hands on him and then he is done….or worse, he gets pushed back. I had high hopes for Troup, but a bad back may hurt his chances of being the anchor we desperately need in the middle.
A wise man once said “pain heals, chicks dig scars, glory…last forever”.
That may be the first time anyone has called Keanue Reeves a wise man :-) As far as the Bills go, they are a better team this season…no doubt. But, they are not a good enough team to play poorly and still win games. So while the refs giving the game to the Bungles really BURNS MY A$$, I can’t say the Bills deserved to win that game either. Ultimately, the questions will haunt me more than the loss. Why did Fitz turn back into a pumpkin? Is he a frachise QB? Why didn’t Chan make adjustments to the offense that seemed obvious? Why can’t we stop the run?
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by Joe P. on Oct 3, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
QB or just a poor man’s Romo.
WOW now, I wouldn’t even want the rich man’s version of Romo!
- That was just a TERRIBLE call on the 3rd down catch by Stevie Johnson.Bad call but c’mon guys, it was just one play!! On the bright side, I loved the way Fitz handle the press conf today, I love the way he took it upon himself. He hoozes leadership, intelligence & maturity – I like that. For the record, I agree they need to wait until week 10 before locking him in or not.
This was easily Chan’s worst game of the season from a coaching stand point.no doubt at all!! I blame the play calling for that loss. I also blame the total lack of a pass rush as well.
I really hate the thought of having to draft a CB with a high pick again.I think K is right OLB is by far our biggest need. With a decent pass rush our CBs would look better. That being said Leo seems thick around the edges and I doubt he’ll ever become much more than CB3
Look if Kyle did it last year with no Dareus, he should be better this year, period. Something has changed in the scheme and assignments? Could it also be that they are so concerned with stopping the run first that it’s slowing them on the pass rush? I believe that’s what is happening.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
which ones?
With a decent pass rush our CBs would look better.
McGee’s looks like he will spend most of his time riding the pine. Florence giveth and taketh away, McKelvin gets beat…well…everywhere on the field. A pass rush will not help McGee and McKelvin.
stopping the run first that it’s slowing them on the pass rush
But we really haven’t stopped the run since the KC game….and even then, did we really stop the run or did the score dictate they pass it more?
Bad call but c’mon guys, it was just one play!!
Yes, but it was the one bad call by the officials that was so overtly bad that defies any explanation on how the officials came to that conclusion. I saw several other questionable calls that didn’t go our way early in the game (PI non-calls and holding non-calls) but said nothing. I waited for the calls to even out….they never even attempted to even them out. And it isn’t like the Bengals didn’t commit them….they did. Sorry, but in a game where both teams didn’t deserve to win on the merits alone, the refs decided this game should belong to the Bungals. Why? I wish I knew. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the NFL wants to keep the Pats and Jets within striking distance of the Bills.
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
we really haven’t stopped the run since the KC game
holding McPhadden to 70y was essentially considered stopping the run
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
did you see Brian's piece on the run defense today?
then the Oakland Raiders ground out 131 yards and a couple of scores in Week 2.
still think that counts?
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
this....
I also blame the total lack of a pass rush as well.
I don’t get it… the first couple games I gave in with most, and said, “well, we were concentrating on the run”… And while I don’t think there is a person on this board that has not complained about the obvious holding on our D line by opponents, we should have figured a way to overcome, and beat it… Granted, Merriman getting tackled by a tackle, is a call that should be made, it also means he is occupying a TACKLE!!! So our other 3 or 4 rushers should only be facing 4 other linemen, and still can’t bust through? Are they ALL being held every down?? Of course not…
Something ain’t right folks… We seem so far to be getting less pressure than we did last year, yet have Kelsay playing out of his socks, along with the addition of Dareus and the often (I know… watch him in replays… you’ll see) held Merriman.. There is only one answer….
Scheme and coaching…. ok…. that’s 2…. but it still boils down to Edwards… When 3/4 of our last 2 drafts were focused on defense, but we haven’t made a big leap in play, time to turn the page… I doubt it happens before the bye, but I see a D coordinator job change coming very soon….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Yeah….don’t care. Until this guy actually completes a pass out of the wildcat that hurts a defense, I would rather let our QB throw the ball and our RBs run the ball.
Until the QB and RBs convert 3rd downs as well as Brad Smith does, I say put Smith in there on every 3rd and short until he’s stopped regularly.
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by thefourwinds on Oct 3, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. He’s clutch on third and short. Would’ve liked to see him on some 3rd and 3s, etc. I’d like to see them use more wildcat. When he’s out there as a WR, they don’t even need to make a personnel change to run the wildcat. I’d love to see it more.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The non-use of Smith has been the one puzzler on offense to me. When Smith signed, Gailey kept drooling all over him in the press, and Smith was all excited about what Gailey was going to do on offense. And four games into the season we’ve seen virtually nothing.
I was ok with how Gailey was using Smith in the first three games – Wildcat on 3rd and short to pick up the first downs, and Smith’s success at doing that (and thus sustaining drives) was actually underrated at the time in the fan base.
Now, after the apparent refusal to do anything like that on Sunday, when the Bills desperately needed to sustain a drive or two, I’m baffled. Especially with the success that Brad Smith has had against Cincinnati in the very recent past.
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and if we did that, don't you think other teams might...you know....be expecting it?????
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
As I said, do it until it gets stopped regularly.
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No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!
I could say the same thing about the quick slant, screen pass, running Fred Jackson, etc
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
The Bengals stopped those this week.
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No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!
we to be fair....they stopped almost everything, especially in the second half
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Chan never gave them the opportunity to stop what had been working all season.
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!
by thefourwinds on Oct 5, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
SMith
Yeah….don’t care. Until this guy actually completes a pass out of the wildcat that hurts a defense, I would rather let our QB throw the ball and our RBs run the ball.
Considering he’s picked up every 3rd down (I think) out of the wildcat when given the chance, I think that shows how effective and useful he could have been on Sunday. Instead of consistently throwing deep down the sidelines on 3rd down as they did, why not given Smith the chance to continue picking up first downs like he has?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
agreed.
Also, is it just me or they seem to be forcing plays to Jones? Is it because Fitz praised him so much that now he’s trying to get him some big numbers? It just looks forced to me. I guess in most cases Jones was in fact open and the ball just wasn’t thrown accurately or Jones doesn’t make the catch… eitherway the play was in fact there more often then not – so maybe they need to stick with it until they get in synch?
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I think as far as Jones goes, Fitzy goes to whomever he thinks the coverage favors going to regardless of who it is. I know Jones has stepped up at times, but he seems to stick out each week as a player who need to be better.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how many 3rd downs he has converted in the regular season....please don't include the preseason
if you go looking for the numbers. And there is no way to know how many of those 3rd downs Jackson could have picked up. I freely admit I don’t like the Wildcat. Now as to why Gailey brings in a player like Smith (or Spiller for that matter) and then doesn’t use them enough to justify taking up the roster spot….I have no idea.
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
The point is, he has been successful at it – when they stopped using him, they stopped picking up 3rd and short as often.
You may not like it, but when they’ve used it, they’ve been awfully successful with it.
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
No one circles the waiver wire like the Buffalo Bills!
do you have any numbers to back that up?
How many 3rd and shorts has Smith attempted/picked up in the regular season vs the rest of the Bills? I remember Smith doing well in the preseason, but I can’t remember how many times we are talking about in the regular season.
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Agree with this
and I’m also in tune with the mood of this post.
51 years of mostly bad teams does not an optimist make so I always have to resist despair.
I am more critical than you of Dareus. He is not having much of an impact at all. Williams should be better not worse if Dareus was the player worthy of his draft status. There are way too many plays where he is just handled one on one.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
I think Dareus was the only disruptive defensive player on Sunday. He wasn’t brought in to be a dominant pass rusher.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
something to consider
you never know when some of these guys are playing hurt.
i cannot say whether williams is playing good or bad, but he
may not be a 100 percent or even 90 percent…..
i am much more concerned about the secondary than the
run defense.
I can't imagine he's hurt
He hasn’t sat out a practice to my knowledge. If a guy is playing hurt, then he usually gets some time off during the week, at the very least. I just don’t think he’s playing anywhere close to as well as he did last year. Joe P mentioned his concerns about Williams and the run defense and I happen to agree with those. The team still struggles to stop the run with him front and center, even with better surrounding talent. I don’t know if he’s the problem or even a problem, but it’s worth considering him as part of the issue with the team’s inability to consistently stop the run.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Because he tries to shoot the gap, I think it’s easy for teams to run past him. See which way he goes after the snap and then seal him off and run by him. He’s been better with that this year, but that may be part of the reason we are not noticing him as well. I’ve never really jumped on the Meatball Bandwagon. Teams with great DTs don’t have such a big problem stopping the run (regardless of the responsibilities involved in the scheme)
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think someone should name their band Meatball Bandwagon. Pure gold!
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Oct 4, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
One game
It was a frustrating loss. Very frustrating. But we had three good wins. Oakland is a good football team. New England is an amazing football team. The Bengals aren’t “bad”. The Bills are 3-1 and in first place in the division. Nothing is ever as good or as bad it seams. Last week we had to peel people off the ceiling around here and today the Bills are horrible and the Defense is horrible and Fitz is horrible. I will take 3-1. I guarantee Philly is not excited about playing the Bills this week. Chan will have the guys ready to play and it will be a good game. 3-1… every single person here would have taken 3-1 at the start of the season. Color me tickled pink.
And guys… get your heads out of the gutter!!!!
I want to have Buddy Nix's baby.
You better believe I'm happy about being 3-1
I just think this team missed a major opportunity Sunday. It’s one of those games where things could quickly spiral out of control considering what lies ahead, especially if the team plays as flat and poorly as they did Sunday. I definitely wasn’t trying to disrespect or forget about where this team stands right now, rather just convey my disappointment with how Sunday played out.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I understand
I followed Sunday’s depressing loss by cannon-balling some Mogen David, pounding a couple car bombs, and capping it off with whiskey shots. After all that I was able to clearly see the Bills are still a very good football team and by no means is there season in jeopardy:)
I want to have Buddy Nix's baby.
I think this was probably a blessing in disguise because we weren’t going to go undefeated so getting a loss in a non-divisional game is better than against the Jets or Mia IMO.
This game was ours and poor play gave it to the Bengals so this loss should be the proverbial “1 step back, 2 steps forward” kinda thing. I think this should be a wake-up call to the team that they got there by working hard and never giving up. Sunday was a poor display and a poor effort and they know it. I expect this loss to be a positive stimulus going forward!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Great write up K
Agree with a lot of the points. I feel like it was completely different team we watched this past Sunday. It wasn’t the “nobody respects us, so we need to go out there and prove ourselves” Bills. Offense was flat and the defense still cannot stop anybody.
The last few weeks the offense has bailed the defense out by getting big comebacks and scoring on every drive however in a week when the offense was bad and the defense needed to stand tall and carry us this week they just couldn’t do it.
Love the Replacements line you used at the end. Glory lasts forever let’s get hungry again and beat up a confused and ready to implode Eagles team.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
You forgot one
We also blew the coin toss. Terrible call. Should have said ‘tails’. Coaches suck.
So I can't call a spade a spade?
The team was overall quite bad yesterday, and I think that was pretty obvious. I wasn’t trying to pile on, but there wasn’t exactly a ton of good coming out of that game. The season isn’t over, the coaches don’t suck and obviously the team wasn’t going undefeated. They can quickly undo the bad from yesterday by getting back on track against Philly this week. I just hope they don’t come out and play sloppy football like they did against Cincy.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Trying to be funny
Just seems like a bit of an over reaction IMO. Good post overall though.
I guess I didn’t take you for one that ‘bought into’ all the hype the past few weeks. Granted, I’ve always been an optimist on this site, as it’s my belief that sports are more fun when looking on the bright side. However, I also try not to believe in to much of the good when it occurs either. How’s the saying go? Here it is…
"You’re never as good as everyone tells you when you win, and you’re never as bad as they say when you lose."
― Lou Holtz
So on that thought, even though our 3-0 start was better than even I could have imagined, I wasn’t about to start planning a trip to Indy. I guess I was just surprised to hear you, of all people, sound surprised that the Bills are still a work in progress after this game in Cincy.
Yes, We need a much better pass rush. A dominant one.
It will probably be this way all season unless we come up against a weak offensive line. Other than that you described about 80% of the NFL. We will be fine if we can put this game behind us and continue to move forward, but no way Cincinnati should be considered lightly by any team in the NFL. Losing Benson for three games won’t help them but they are solid on both lines.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Not That Good!
The Bills aren’t as good as their record indicates! I will say I’m mildly surprised by the Cincy loss, but not stunned nor disappointed. We still have a glaring talent deficiency in a number of areas (many of them spelled out quite succinctly in K’s post).
You had to know one of these was coming with Fitz. His accuracy is so inconsistent, we should get another 2-3 games like this if not more. Teams are going to take away the middle of the field, take guys like Nelson, Jackson, and Chandler out of the equation and make the Bills beat them on the edges with Donald Joneses and Spillers. And they were trying to generate so much QB pressure on the edge on the final drive, they left the middle open for Dalton, Leonard and Scott. Whaddya gonna do?
Don’t get me wrong, I really think they’re moving in the right direction. My one real concern is that for a young team, two of their major offensive contributors are at or just missing 30 years old (Jackson and Fitz). As the team matures, those guys are going to deteriorate so the Bills’ll be looking for a new RB and QB just as lot of the young players are hitting their prime. But why sweat when the time seems to be heading in the right direction since just before they got rid of Winfield and Pat Williams!
Still need multiple pass rushers, a corner, a safety, depth on the O Line, and a burner at WR. But love what Gailey’s doing with these guys, and Nix has unearthed some gems that have the chance to be serious contributors for years to come.
I think the difference for me between the undefeated start a few years ago and this one is, during 2008 (?) I just exhaled “It’s about time!”. With this group, I’m psyched. They get the competitive juices going, generate some enthusiasm.
If they’re Hoosiers, Chan is Gene Hackman, Freddie is Jimmy Chitwood, and Buddy is…Dennis Hopper?
by T McGee on Oct 4, 2011 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lots to read over here and, unfortunately, not enough time for me to get through all the comments...
I, too, am concerned about Kyle Williams. I’d think with more players around him teams need to account for, he’d go off this season. It’s only a month in. There’s time.
I think this team has been built to play from behind, much like Indy has been for so many years. (Yes, yes – I know Indy rarely plays from behind. Curtis Painter LOLZ.) Specifically I mean they don’t appear able to play with a lead when they need to run clock. They like the low-percentage, high-reward pass plays, which more times than not end in turf turds. Jackson should be able to handle pounding the ball and destroying the clock, but the system seems to stray away from that. It’s my belief that Gailey needs to retool the offense slightly to highlight Jackson even more. He’s the player that the team can ride to victory.
When they’re losing, they seem to “taskerism” their opponent.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 5, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions

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