Bills vs. Eagles Injury Report: Chris Kelsay, Torell Troup Out
by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT
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PrintAfter injuring a calf late in practice Thursday afternoon, Buffalo Bills outside linebacker Chris Kelsay has officially been ruled out of Sunday's game against Philadelphia - and will be out even longer, according to multiple reports.
Kelsay is one of five players that have already been ruled out for the game - a list that also includes left tackle Demetrius Bell (shoulder), nose tackle Torell Troup (lower back), inside linebacker Chris White (hamstring) and cornerback Aaron Williams (chest).
On the other hand, the Bills are likely to have two contributing players back and available to play on Sunday, as both right guard Kraig Urbik (knee) and cornerback Terrence McGee (hamstring) both practiced in full all week and are listed as probable. Urbik will likely start at right guard, while McGee's exact role remains to be seen.
Urbik and McGee are joined by five other Bills players listed as probable, including running back C.J. Spiller (knee), wide receiver Ruvell Martin (knee), center Eric Wood (ankle), outside linebacker Shawne Merriman (shoulder) and inside linebacker Nick Barnett (ankle). All seven players listed as probable are likely to play Sunday.
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Kelsay a Blessing in disguise?
I know people love to bash him becuase he is not a ‘prototypical’ ILB but Vick seems to play exactly to Kelsay’s weaknesses (read: speed).
If he’s replaced by Spencer Johnson, I fail to see how that’s an upgrade.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Batten?
I thought it was going to be a platoon but that Batten would most likely start in that spot?
Batten will start, they’ll rotate, and yeah, you’ll definitely see Spencer Johnson out there. A lot.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if they might try Merriman over there for a few snaps to see how it goes- it might be unlikely but he is strong at the POA and that switch could put Merriman on Vicks blind side
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by J2 on Oct 7, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's
Fire Edwards, come on guys, defensive ends cannot play as OLB’s. Now OLB’s can sometimes play as DE’s. Unbelievable!!
Come on
The heir apparent should be Danny Batten, a more improved version of Kelsay.
A (potentially) improved version of Kelsay. I dont think that Batten is as good as Kelsay is. For all the heat the guy has taken, he is probably the most consistent defender on the Bills (Barnett also). Sure, he is limited athletically and can’t drop into coverage, but he is playing better than a lot of people will give him credit for.
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by Eric Murawski on Oct 8, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I willingly admit I have been overly negative towards Kelsay in the past. He’s been more of a solution than a problem this year and for all the hate I gave him, I don’t think his solid play this year has been talked about enough. This is a big loss IMO.
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by arbon78 on Oct 7, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kelsay: Big loss. We will see what we have with Batten and Carrington. Maybe Moats will see some time on the outside as well. However, Phi offense is based on speed…vick/McCoy… so this could be a better week than others to lose Kelsay.
agreed.
this will give some of the young talent a chance to show that they are more than capable of taking over kelsay’s high priced role for a fraction of the cost.
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Carrington has been moved back to end. Spencer Johnson has been taking reps at OLB.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Moats play on that side?
Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)
If they’re worried about his size on the weak side, I’d imagine that they’d be even more worried about him playing the strong side.
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by Brian Galliford on Oct 7, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why
Why would they be worried unless they are idiots. Setting the edge is only one small aspect of the position. Setting the edge has nothing to do with size as it does body position, getting outside the tackle, like sealing the DE on on a run. Geez Louise.
Your correct that size (height) isn’t super important, but it helps. Also, perhaps when they talked about size they were referring to bulk, and therefore strength and power (not 100% related, but they seem to follow a linear tract). If Moats is not strong enough to stand up the tackle/pulling guard, then he can’t set the edge.
Also, I don’t think setting the edge is “one small part of the position.” I’d say its 50% of the position. If you can’t set the edge, you can’t do an effective job against the run, and that is a huge part of the LB responsibility.
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by Eric Murawski on Oct 8, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Batten is the guy
260-270 more than big enough to “set the edge”.
Too bad Batten only weighs 242
Kelsay and Merriman are 260.
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Let's not get too hung up on Batten and Moats.
Simply, they both are talented and bring much promise going forward and should end up being very good players in the NFL. But to assume that drafting two very small DE’s in the sixth round and converting them to OLB’s and ILB’s in only their second year and putting them into action against top quality first team offensive lineman is asking way to much. This is expecting way to much. Let’s let the young guys play and measure to see if their time spent in camp, practice, film room has payed off. Let’s hope that their football instinct and athletic ability allow them to compete and make plays for a full sixty minute game before allocating them the guy.
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rec'd, thank you.
Wasn’t sure where coach was going there. Size is important in the NFL, just like speed is. There are always exceptions but those exceptions are not easily found.
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really?
i thought Carrington would be better than Spencer at OLB. But i guess it doesnt matter much as we play a lot of over and under. I think Batten would be best to try to contain vick with speed. this might be good only in that aspect because kelsay is a slow 3-4 olb.
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Lets see
Only the Bills can see a 310lb. guy playing LB or should I say George Edwards.
Mario Williams? Hes a 300lb linebacker.
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by Eric Murawski on Oct 8, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Losing our most consistent pass rusher is going to hurt. Did I just say that about kelsay? Wow.
by bizarro bills on Oct 7, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seems to me like Dareus has been our most consistent at getting into the backfield.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Oct 7, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buffalo doesn't have a pass rush
Until we start playing Carrington or Moats we wont have one either. The only way we get to the QB is if they hold on to the ball way to long or if they scramble right into a defender
Don't forget Merriman!
He chased Dalton out of bounds and got credit for a sack for it.
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Oct 7, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bizarro world
No it won’t, especially not this week, when someone quicker would be better to contain Vick. How many sacks again??
And the injuries start to increase a bit. It’s good some are coming back, particularly McGee, but the Bills are losing more and more each week to injury. This can/could/will/would expose lack of depth in a hurry.
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How sad is this?
Even I think this could hurt the D, even if its a little bit. Our OLB’s and pass rush continue to show that this unit is one of the worst in the league, by far. When losing Chris Kelsay is a major problem, the glaring weakness just stands out even more.
Replacing him with Battan makes the most sense. Having Spencer Johnson playing OLB against Philly with Vick and McCoy just doesn’t make any sense. They’re going to run circles around him when he’s out there. Battan needs to step his game up and prove he’s a capable player for this D. I am looking forward to seeing what he might be able to offer in terms of rushing the passer. I expect Moats to get a lot of action as well, especially in likely passing situations.
If Shawne Merriman iis ever going to prove he still has some pass rush ability, this would be the perfect week to show it. The team desperately needs it.
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by Kurupt on Oct 7, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh man,
I think we may have just reached the end of the world….
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by Schwing9 on Oct 7, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve been saying that every week about Merriman…lol
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by thrills&bills on Oct 7, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This is too bad.
I thought Kelsay was having his best year so far.
Get well soon!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Oct 7, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. He has been pretty good.
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whats up with troup
Thought he was better.
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by billsoferie on Oct 7, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yeah....good thing they took him a round to early before someone else got him
having a bad back at his age…..NOT GOOD.
What the hell happened in Cincy???? It looked like the Bills bodies made the flight, but they left their souls to party on the Whagon Blaster.
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Put moats out there in his stead
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by chaucer on Oct 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am very excited
To see what the backups have to offer. It’s going to change the way the Bills play defense; I think for the better.
Hey I agree Tom.
More quickness, it will help, since the tackle will have to be worried more about being beaten to the outside, thus, spreading the O-line out. Dareus will have a big game.
Replacing Kelsay
I’ve seen alot of calls for Batten over Moats because Moats is to small but if I’m not mistaken Batten is 6"4 246, while Moats is 6"2 249, unless arm length favors Batten by at least 2 inches, I think the weight makes them about the same size. What is and should be the decideding factor is ability to play the position ( rush the passer, & maintain containment on the outside.) In all likelyhood we will see at least 2 defenders over there anyway, lets hope that someone can do a good enough job that we don’t get exploited, by the way if from time to time we jam their smallesh recievers perhaps we can disrupt their timeing giving us time to either make a play on the ball ( bat it down, or catch ourselves ) or even the rare but possible SACK!
Hey
Batten has more height to cover the tight end and moves very well on special teams. Watch for the Eagles to go heavy to their tight end this week with doses of Lesean McCoy.
thats nothing new
Teams have been going heavy to their tight ends for the last two years against us. McCoy is the last one I would worry about. Unless he gets into the second level. Gotta keep him with in three yards a carry or he will hurt us.
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