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Cowboys 44, Bills 7: Three Good And Three Bad

This story marks a milestone for the "Three Good and Three Bad" series. For the first time, I cannot justify listing anything in the "good" category. I toyed with the idea of working the math on the Dallas ground game prior to Buffalo's failed 4th-and-1 conversion to see if Buffalo's run defense was effective. I also thought about listing George Wilson in the "good" category for his run support efforts early in the game. Both are stretches in the end. Rather than insult everyone's intelligence, we present "Three Bad."

The Bad. I list the three most striking. There are plenty more.

Offensive Concept and Scheme. Almost a year ago, I wondered if Bill Belichick was getting ready to ride the bow wave of another league trend by drafting two tight ends. Recent events have deepened my belief that the next offensive trend will be a movement to more traditional offenses. A quick check of the playoffs standings shows the success of offenses that can incorporate a traditional, power element to its offense. The 49ers, Giants, Texans, Steelers, Raiders, Ravens, Bengals, Falcons and the Jets can all pull in the reigns and run with power. Buffalo has run effectively, but Chan Gailey has stereotyped the offense along the way.

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The Bills are consistently in the spread, almost always putting three or four receivers on the field. Very rarely has Buffalo used a traditional offense. Thanks to the Ryan brothers, teams now have a blueprint on how to stop Buffalo's spread-heavy offense. Many of the best teams in the league are mixing spread and traditional sets. Gailey ran a traditional offense as the offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh. Jerome Bettis ran for over 3,000 yards in two seasons with Gailey calling plays.

On Sunday, Dallas seemed dialed in on all of Buffalo's best plays: screens went nowhere, the outside receiver slant didn't work, Buffalo couldn't run, and Dallas had all of the medium range curls and crosses covered most of the game.

Gailey would be wise to diversify personnel and sets. Corey McIntyre should see the field more in traditional sets, Buffalo should run more two tight end sets, and Gailey should call power runs and some horizontal timing plays from these sets. I'm not advocating ditching the current offense. Think of this in terms of diversifying a portfolio.

The Edges of the Defense. Tony Romo was hit exactly one time on Sunday. Other than some hurries, Romo sat in the pocket and dissected the Buffalo defense. Disregard any calls to select a receiver or cornerback in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. Outside linebacker is the biggest need for the team.

A good edge rusher, like a good quarterback, can hide some glaring weaknesses. Buffalo simply can't hurry or sack quarterbacks on good teams, and the quarterbacks on those teams have the opportunity to tear apart Buffalo's defense, like Romo did on Sunday.

That leads to the second part of the section. I don't believe that Buffalo has a good starting corner on the team. Terrence McGee is solid, but isn't forcing quarterbacks to look away. Drayton Florence has been mostly terrible for the past few games. Leodis McKelvin is consistently in proper position, but can't make plays on the ball. The decision to pick Aaron Williams looks much better now than in April, and George Edwards needs him back on the field playing to the level of his selection.

The combination of these two edge deficiencies is crushing Buffalo, regardless of scheme or defensive call. Edwards can only dial up a certain number of blitzes a game. Scheming won't help hide these weaknesses. Buddy Nix must legitimately address these two areas in the next off-season.

Play Calling and Execution. There were few times when Buffalo's play call was good and the execution was also up to par. Ryan Fitzpatrick missed a wide open Donald Jones down the center of the field early in the second half. A stumbling C.J. Spiller dropped the ball on another deep throw. Gailey called screens that Dallas seemed to know were coming. Buffalo has lost the ability to run for short yardage on a consistent basis.

The 4th-and-1 fade to Jones was adding salt to the wound.  I understand the arguments for throwing the ball to the receiver with the best matchup. Since the 2010 home New England game, Buffalo has tried this play numerous times and hasn't executed one time properly. It's time to abandon the philosophy, and just pick up first downs. Gailey needs a play-calling whisperer. The offense needs to execute.

Outlook. The Bills have dug themselves a hole with seven games remaining. Two weeks ago, Buffalo was 5-2 with two close losses on the road. The Ryan's wrecked Buffalo's record and set a blueprint on how to win again Gailey's team, now 5-4.

Buffalo has two games against the Dolphins and one against the Broncos, and Buffalo should be favored in all three games. That leaves Buffalo with winnable matchups against the Titans at home and the Chargers in San Diego, and tough road games with the Jets and Patriots. With 12 teams still in the AFC playoff race, the Bills are going to have to re-prove their gritty, comeback reputation to get into the playoffs. The run starts Sunday versus Miami in Sun Life Stadium.

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I would list 3rd down Defense.....

To me, the game changed in the 2nd qtr, Bills were only down 21-7 and Dallas was driving, the commentators even commented that Dallas was 5-5 on 3rd downs and on the drive to go up 28-7, Dallas converted I think 3 or 4 3rd downs.

The inability to get off the field on this drive sealed the game IMO.

by mquintieri on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

exactly everyone is saying

the offense has to be better, when i think they wouldve been if they couldve ran more. If we stop them from getting up 21-0 we might have a shot of winning the game. But the defense was unbelievably bad.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Nov 15, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

Let’s talk about 3rd down defense, I see the same defensive formation 80% of the time. You think the opposing QB hasn’t seen it on film? Lack of talent hurts but lack of creativity also hurts and makes the Bills way too predictable on defense. Here ya’ go (3rd and 6), stand up the D-lineman, they drop back into coverage all the LB’s blitz except Barnett. My point, try and confuse your opponents with different looks, be creative. Yes, they have holes but I can’t help thinking some of the other good defensive coordinators around the league would get more out of these guys.

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Worse than that

“Buffalo has two games against the Dolphins and one against the Broncos, and Buffalo should be favored in all three games”

Early line is Miami (-1). I can’t say we don’t deserve to be the underdogs.

by inthegaddadavida on Nov 15, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Thats basically a pick em

Home team gets 3 points automatically

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll start with some good, then more bad

The usuals. Great tackling in the secondary… Wilson, Byrd and McGee. Moorman punted well. Freddie and Levitre again.

A major failure in the game was the poor play of the 2010 and 2011 draft classes. With injuries mounting, they were asked to step up and responded with remarkably poor play.

2010

Spiller – Most notable was his stumble and drop of a perfectly thrown bomb by Fitz. But give him credit for a good 35 yard KO return in garbage time.

Troup – Dominated and buried at the point of attack. NT’s are supposed to be disruptive. Troup was ruptive instead.

Carrington – The invisible man.

Moats – Completely ineffective on the pass rush, even worse in run defense. His corner was turned with ease almost every time and he showed no ability to shed blocks. Forget pass defense.

Batten – Might make a decent backup for a team with quality players around him.

2011

Dareus – Solid, the one player who deserves to be on the field.

Sheppard – Shows potential, but his skills are suitable for 3-4 inside only.

Searcy – Played a perfect game. Was in position in blitzes and pass defense to make numerous big plays and failed every time.

C. White – Injured himself failing to make a tackle.

More points.

Coaching mistakes right from the start in each half. How does Ware go unblocked on the Bills first offensive play? Gailey obviously didn’t drive the point home to his crew. The ridiculous challenge on the second half kickoff on something the team has practiced over and over again, with plenty of time to review the tape. On most teams, $15M man Brad Smith would have been given a stern lecture for screwing up a simple play. Players insufficiently coached and a coach who doesn’t seem to care, what’s the point?

Belichick completely outcoached Rex Ryan Sunday night. It was much more than Gronkowski. The Pats repeatedly stacked three receivers and ran “pick plays” to keep the Jets from isolating a single player on Revis island. When the Pats had the Jets on the ropes after a turnover, they ran the no huddle to prevent the Jets from making substitutions. The Jets DL and LB’s were completely winded and exhausted, brought back memories of the Jim Kelly days.

$25M under the cap is coming home to roost now. Nix draft failures, weak coaching, and lack of quality backups are killing the season once again.

by Rick A on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Let's clear this up now before it gets any more steam.

Coaching mistakes right from the start in each half. How does Ware go unblocked on the Bills first offensive play?

Fred Jackson, after the game, stated that he missed his assignment. This was a player mistake, not a coaching mistake.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So Jackson was expected to block Ware coming full speed 1 on 1? I have to admit, that’s a unique approach.

by Rick A on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Freddy is one of the best blocking RBs around. Not sure why you don’t think he could slow ware down.

"Nick Barnett is everywhere. He is behind you right now." - Munchausen

by RedStickBillsFan on Nov 15, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

no, it's not unique approach

the play was a quick pass play… all fred needed to do was slow down ware… the ball would be gone before ware reaches fitz… that was a well designed play, poorly executed…

you dont need to keep fitz squeaky clean… you just need him to be clean till he releases the ball

by statcruncher on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I refer you to this link: http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/11/cowboys-dc-rob-ryan-has-a-lot.html

Specifically to this statement from Rob Ryan talking about FJ: “He’s really tough. God, this guy is tough, now. He takes on all comers,” Ryan said. "We purposely never showed some of the chip blocks he does on defensive ends because he leaves them on the carpet. He just blasts them, literally leaves them out there and getting carted off.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 15, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Jackson is a superb chip blocker. But taking on the league’s best pass rusher one on one when he has a running start, what other weakness in the Cowboy’s defense did Gailey think he was going to exploit? And just the fact that Jackson missed his key assignment on the very first specially designed play, to me that’s a coaching weakness as well as a player mistake, Gailey’s message obviously didn’t get through.

by Rick A on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

i don’t care how good he is when compared to other RBs. he isn’t a lineman. this is where TEs are supposed to be used. Or we could maybe trying running the football. That tends to offset pass rush, like, when you don’t pass every down.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone remember when MJD lit up Merriman? Best RB block on an elite pass rusher ever!

by JustAskTheAxis on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember this. Saw it on “Inside the NFL”. Freaking awesome.

by Munchausen on Nov 15, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Gailey’s message obviously didn’t get through.

Oh I see what you are thinking now.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 15, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

There were a dozen poor play calls in that game, I don’t know why you’re picking on this one. You can’t claim poor coaching when our best player admits to blowing his assignment. We didn’t see the play excuted as Gailey designed it. If Jackson attended to his assignment and still failed to block Ware – then you’d have all justification in the world to accuse Gailey of poor coaching.

THAT is why i'm serious.

by Trashplate on Nov 16, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

wilson wasn't on the field much at all.

searcy was

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

True, but he was still tied with Byrd as the Bills’ leading tackler with 8 tackles. And some of those 8 were pretty plays.

by Macktruck on Nov 15, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Carrington played fine, as far as I could tell.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

your assessment on the draft class is pretty wrong.

and they still need to time to develop. You’ve assessed a lot of late rd picks who need more time to develop. also If you think a NT is supposed to be “disruptive” then you dont understand the position. And if you dont think Carrington is playing well you havent watched him. or dont understand what he is supposed to do. I have no idea how you think the team has poor coaching and Nix is a bad GM, when they were 0-8 last year and are 5-4 this year. its improvement. How can you come to a conclusion on things at year 1.5 of a 3 or so year rebuilding project….. Sorry if this sounds condescending in any way, not meant to be, i just totally dont understand what you are expecting right now?

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Nov 15, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yea i reread this and it came out wrong... haha sorry about that

Just assessments of a draft class from this year or last year is not a real assessment, it takes time for players to develop, they just dont become great NFL players right out of college to everyones surprise…

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Nov 15, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be remembered

Poor draft class, Carrington will make it, I doubt Troup will.

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Troup

Will be cut eventually. That’s what happens when you go small schools with inferior competition. Sometimes these guys develop, sometimes they don’t. Troup cannot get up to NFL standards on the physical side, he may never.

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Troup just doesn’t look like a pro athlete, regardless of his ridiculous body building videos.

THAT is why i'm serious.

by Trashplate on Nov 16, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree on everything with one small exception

This is a brilliant analysis of what has gone wrong with the Bills. I would add only one observation: having no pass rush makes the DB’s look worse than they are. With a decent rush that gets consistent pressure on the QB our current CB’s would also be just fine (McGee especially when he is healthy). I’m not saying that we don’t need to think about replacing our three starting CB’s before long given the fact that McGee and Florence are getting older and McKelvin is a disappointment. Rather, my point is that we can probably hold off on that for a while, getting the chance to see what we have in Williams and Justin Rogers, if we can only improve the pass rush.

by Macktruck on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I sort of agree. I think the Steeler’s corners aren’t that good, but they benefit from a great pass rush. But they’ve been exposed at times, particularly by teams that can run a spread with more than two good receivers, eg: Green Bay. With a good pass rush, I think Buffalo could get by if Aaron Williams develops, another starter emerges, and McKelvin and McGee become the nickel and dime corners in some order.

I do agree with you in the sense that of the two, the pass rush is easily the priority.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 15, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I’m thinking that pass rush is what needs to be addressed in 2012 with at least two stud OLB;s, with CB to follow in 2013. By the way, I was speculating right after the game what your “good” items would be and decided that the smartest choice would be to omit that category altogether. You did exactly the right thing.

by Macktruck on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Even in the Jets games last year I was able to come up with something.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 15, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Opposing QB’s can’t get 6-8 seconds to throw, any secondary would look bad.

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That, and a first-rate TE. As DJ has suggested, the TE might be John Carlson in Free Agency.

by Macktruck on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

amen

Scheme is way too flat for the NFL. This has been bothering me since the Philadelphia game (why go spread against the best cornerback squad in the NFL??). There are many ways to create space and exploit matchups, and Chan simply isn’t using them.

Look at the one good drive the Bills had: I remember Dallas attacking the line of scrimmage and seeing Fred Jackson just bust it outside for a twenty yard gain. Get CJ Spiller matched up on a linebacker or get Chandler matched up on a safety.

Also, amen on Corey McIntyre. He is my favorite Bill right now and exemplifies that this is a physical team when given the opportunity.

by dav630 on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Our DL needs some mean

The DL was pushed all over, including Dareus.
No individual battles were won. All of them were physically dominated and I put that on the players.

Time to practice in pads.

by zipper on Nov 15, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Great point on a very good read

Most disturbing to me is they are getting beat up. Are we suddenly soft because the two blue chippers are no longer in the D line up or did the Jets/boys just have more willpower?

Execution has been a real problem but when your gettin the snot knocked out of you its more difficult to execute.

"Alright Men, lets go out there, bust um in the chops & get somebody bloody. Keep working hard till you get it right. Take the W in battle & make the Bills Nation Proud." coach Karma420

by Blood, sweat & Win on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

nail meet hammer

DJ, you are (again) spot on. What is concerning to me, as Rick A alludes to above, is the fact that we have spent the majority of 2 drafts on defense, yet your comment:

The combination of these two edge deficiencies is crushing Buffalo, regardless of scheme or defensive call. Edwards can only dial up a certain number of blitzes a game. Scheming won’t help hide these weaknesses. Buddy Nix must legitimately address these two areas in the next off-season.

is true.

So, in the off season, we need to spend yet more draft picks on defense to “solve” the problem. And, in other words, the offense will languish even further as a result. It has a mediocre, quasi-accurate QB, no deep threat, an average OL with NO depth(well I guess Levitre IS the depth), a #9 draft pick that can’t get on the field, and vanilla game plans that “fit” this personnel. That’s some “status quo” to maintain while the defense gets two three years of attention to get “fixed” but still can’t muster a pass rush or stop the run.
How is this an effective, constructive approach to fixing this team?

Took the crow out of the oven. Replacing it with the only bird this team reminds me of...a turkey!

by fansince60 on Nov 15, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

There's a difference between addressing the edges of the defense and the center of the defense

When Nix took over as GM, Buffalo’s defense was coming off the 2009 season where it was regularly gashed on the ground, with the Jets game in New Jersey as a game of emphasis. Nix took the proper steps to stops this.

Troup and Carrington are interior defenders. So are Dareus and Sheppard, as well as Searcy to a degree. Edwards, Davis and Barnett, the key free agents, are also interior defenders. Buffalo has really acquired Merriman and Williams on the edge, but no one else.

Buffalo hasn’t addressed a significant amount of organizational resources (high draft choices, free agent signings, trades) to the outside linebacker or cornerback position since Nix took charge.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess what I’m saying is that, in addition to what you describe, the players that were acquired have not made the impact one would expect on a team that was(and is) so bereft of talent. For the defense to be just about where it was after using 90-95% of it’s draft picks on defense, makes me skeptical of the GMs ability to turn it around with at least some modicum of speed.

Took the crow out of the oven. Replacing it with the only bird this team reminds me of...a turkey!

by fansince60 on Nov 15, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

Carrington has played well for a second year end, and Troup has done OK this year for having injury problems. Dareus is playing great for a rookie, and Sheppard is doing the same. Barnett is a stud and has made an impact for the defense. So the acquisitions have done OK.

Remember that Edwards has to scheme on every play to make up for the lack of outside presence. And the run defense is improved. So it’s really not that bad.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 15, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Point, but

the philosophy of many GMs is to build of a team either from the inside out or outside in, we have decided inside out. So now the past couple years we have addressed the inside, now this is the draft/offseason we address the outside. Its just how you rebuild a team, cant do it overnight.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Man cannot live by draft alone. Julius Peppers would have made a world of difference. The Bills will have to get either a receiver, pass rusher, Olineman or CB via free agency and draft the rest if they want to get better in a hurry.

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree. The Bills have a strong enough core to justify bringing in a high priced pass rusher and a step in and play WR. The Bills don’t have 2 more years to rebuild because existing components will be hard to keep or worn out in 2014. (Levitre, Wood, Jackson, Nelson, Kelsay, carrington, Edwards, Barnett, Byrd, Wilson.
It won’t be possible or smart to re-sign all of these guys or replace them all through the draft. The key to a rebuild is getting long term elite players on the squad. Nix drafted Dareus, but who else has shown the potential to be elite? We may have to buy an elite player in FA.

by WhatGoesAround on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

we need to run more, from run formations. This has been so obvious, for too long. we need to recognize the mismatches that we can create. we need to put spencer johnson back on the line, and stop experimenting at LOLB with DTs. this is so unbelievably dumb. Leave it to Chan and Edwards to make things far more complicated then necessary. Why are guys like Morrison or until his injury Chris White riding the pine? Couldn’t either have been considered for LOLB? Sure they may not be typical or prototype, but Spencer Johnson is? I mean, what is the sense in 5 MLBs and 0 OLBs? I mean, put B Scott back out there at LOLB if you are accepting a non-prototype for the role. at least he can cover, and play run, rather than watching WRs burn past SJ, because there isn’t a prayer he can cover them in space.

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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, yes

More run formations. Chan is serious lacking on that. An “I” formation with McIntyre. A pro set with Spiller and Jsckson. Be freaking creative coaches, stop acting like you have I.Q.’s of 57.

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Injuries and Adjustments

Keep in mind we lost our two best defensive players for the season (Williams and Merriman) and it’s going to be tough to replace them.

The offense needs to help out the defense. I totally agree with the “Offense concept and Scheme”. We are too spread, too often. Why not a power running game to set up play action sometimes? Why not ball control to eat up some clock? We are simply too predictable offensively.

Yup

by Bills4ever on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Our ability to even attempt to institute a power running game this season may have bit the dust when Wood went down. I don’t see enough talent remaining on the line to run block effectively.

by Morningw00d on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Play Action?

Did you say play action? Is that even in our play book? I know we can telegraph a screen well. I’m not sure a play action fake to one of the most respected backs in the league would even work. ;)

"Sit down and watch my Buffalo Bills destroy your Kingdome" - Abayarde

Chris Kelsay is a good football player.

by nickdaniels on Nov 15, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Tired of Edwards

I for one am tired of George Edwards’ defenses. For a year and a half now we have watched his defenses just get run over by the top tier teams, and sometimes by the bottom tier teams as well. Unless this defense is getting turnovers, they stink. Cant stop the run, cant get off the field on third down, no pass rush, and the list goes on. Lets get another coordinator.

by jerry l 1973 on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Too soon

A change now sets Buffalo back, particularly considering the lack of edge players Buffalo has.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Tired of Nix

Edwards is playing the cards he was dealt when Nix made the decision that he was going to join the crowd and switch to the 3-4, despite having few players on the roster capable of playing the scheme. Despite the fact that 3-4 capable college players and free agents were in high demand and 4-3 players were more readily available. Then Nix makes poor player selections. All Edwards can do now is try to cobble something together from a bunch of incoherent pieces.

by Rick A on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

despite having few players on the roster capable of playing the scheme.

so we had players that were capable of playing a 4-3? ya – not so much.

The decision to go to a 3-4 was smart – both Nix and Whaley (future GM most likely) came from 3-4 backgrounds – they’ve scouted and played (Whaley) in the 3-4 their whole lives.

the decision to hire Edwards was because he was a good teacher – i’m not sure about his coordinator skills but he is widely known as a good teacher and that’s something that you want as a coach. There are only so many Lebeaus or Ryan’s out there. Less you forget that most coordinator positions get turned over so fast it’s tough to keep up with who’s been a coordinator somewhere. Excellent d-coordinators are like excellent QBs – they don’t come across every day.

while Nix has made poor player selections – he’s made some good ones too – and he’s resigned some really good ones too. so you can focus on the screw ups as 100% of all GM’s have and base your assessments on those alone – because i’m sure that’ll tell the entire story.

by J2 on Nov 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Huh

Carrington Williams, Dareus, Kelsay. Barnett in the middle, Sheppard at one OLB. I think they are perfectly suited for a 4-3. Where’s the nose tackle and the protypcical 3-4 ends?

by Coach Bob on Nov 15, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo does play a 4-3 most of the time

Their NT plays a one technique, one end plays a 3 technique, one end plays five technique, and the “OLB’s” play outside contain.

BTW, Sheppard can’t play OLB and Kelsay is in the middle. Think you mixed them up/

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 15, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The NT’s are Williams, Dareus, Troup and the 3-4 DE’s are Edwards, Carrington, Johnson and Dareus.

I was talking philosophical in regards to Whaley and Nix and how their backgrounds are 3-4 based – they’ve always scouted that so why would that change?

Buffalo is in nickel so much because it’s a passing league but the Bills will draft for a 3-4 because that’s their history from a scouting and talent acquisition position

by J2 on Nov 15, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

play of safeties is good

I think we’ve finally got a good tandem of safeties w/ Byrd & Wilson. Both are solid tacklers & provide good run-support, and are opportunistic w/ interceptions.

That’s the biggest “good” I saw in this game, and the last few, other than the fact that Freddie is a beast.

by dgrid on Nov 15, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

Great post! It’s exactly where I’m at right now.

"A deaf person can hear better than a ignorant person."- Unknown Comedian

by blknites on Nov 15, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly – these are really known issues – Nix is clearly building from the inside out – a philosophy I agree with because we use to bitch for years about how the Bills are building from the outside in and that doesn’t work.

Troup, Carrington, Dareus, Sheppard, Barnett, Edwards and even Williams to an extent because of his short range capabilities are all designed to be inside players.

Nix has barely addressed CB, WR, OLB because that’s not what his philosophy is. His philosophy is to get a good foundation in place then add the few key pieces later once you have your foundation.

We use to go crazy about prior building and taking on skilled players instead of the meat and potatoes – well Nix is trying to get us the meat and potatoes so the other pieces will be more successful when he gets them. That’s his philosophy and while you may not agree with it the Bills haven’t really done it recently so we should let him implement his plan.

by J2 on Nov 15, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’ll buy this. at least rent it for awile

by dgrid on Nov 15, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly – who knows if it’s going to work. It’d work right now with Aaron Rodgers but he covers up a lot of their mistakes.

When the Bills are getting beat on the edges it’s because he really hasn’t addressed them – so we really shouldn’t be surprised at all.

I have no clue if it’s going to work but i’m not going to sit back and complain on a half implemented philosophy without seeing the final product because that makes no sense

by J2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Donald Jones...

I’m not into naming names, but it seems like we’re only sucessful about 20% of the time we target him. He is a good WR, and deserves a #3 or #4 spot, but I think he is a weak starter.

I understand that he is the only receiver that can really stretch the field, but he isn’t striking any fear into opposing defenses.

I might be getting ahead of myself here, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Roosevelt get some reps as the #2 WR. He appears to catch everything thrown his way, but doesn’t get a lot of chances. What’s the worst that could happen?

by CPT Shawn on Nov 15, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

MORE C-MAC! MORE C-MAC!
And throw in a TE in a running formation.
Let Freddy smash his way through…………….. and maybe a little playaction?

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 15, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Good and Bad!

I’ve read all the previous post, and I’d like to say I Love the the passion and insight of the Rumblers. Every week I keep saying we should give some carries to Corey Mc. He’s a big guy with a high motor, quick feet, powerfully built, & deserving of a chance to carry the ball, on any other team a guy like that would have already been given a chance even if he fails, we should know by now if he has anything to offer with the ball in his hands. If he suceeds it would add a power element to our O. What do we have to loose? I agree that our safeties are playing great.Where is Buster Daivs, or some other speed reciever? Why not give Naman a shot at the 2 spot? Have our guys ever heard of strengh training? Also why can’t our guys shed blocks?

by atsnigduh2u on Nov 15, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

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