Dolphins 35, Bills 8: Yeah, This Team Is The Worst
by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST
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The Buffalo Bills have mailed it in three weeks in a row - their most recent pathetic effort a 35-8 drubbing at the hands of the Miami Dolphins - so for at least one post-game recap, we're going to mail it in here at Buffalo Rumblings, too. We feel it's only fair.
It was a bad day on the injury report for the Bills. Our unofficial list of players that got dinged up to a certain degree: Fred Jackson, C.J. Spiller, Stevie Johnson, Donald Jones, David Nelson, Brad Smith and Terrence McGee. Some of those players finished the game; most didn't. For a beat up football team, it was tough to watch that many more players go down. Jones and McGee were both carted off the field. That list speaks to the level of physical domination inflicted on the Bills for a third straight game.
As for what happened on the field: the offense stunk, the defense was worse, and even the special teams got in on the act, as the Dolphins' lone second-half score was a punt block return for a touchdown. The Bills have been outscored 106-26 in the last three games. They stink; they have clearly been the NFL's worst team in the month of November. They get the New York Jets - the team that started this embarrassing slide - next week.
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Fitz
He IS half the problem like when he missed a wide open stevie on the first drive, the other half of the problem is Chan thinking a college offense can work in the pros without being able to have a pro style offense too when needed.
The spread only works well against teams with shallow secondaries. The spread can only work as a package in the NFL, not as a base offense.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions
Too many halves
Cause another half of the problem was center play. Another half was the secondary and yet another half was the pass-rush. Finally, special teams was ALSO half of the problem.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I forgot
another half of the problem was that if Fitz did throw a catchable ball, our receivers dropped it.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m willing to give Levitre a pass for today. It was only a matter of time before we found out he can’t do everything. But they should have had a backup plan for what did occur.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 20, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
here's your backup plan...
how about drafting a f*****g OL instead of CJ Spiller? or signing some FA lineman instead of that crazy a** contract we gave to Brad Smith? How about the bonehead decision by the FO to get rid of Lee Evans (our BEST and #1 WR) for a dag gum 4th rd pick?!?!?! oh, here’s another one…giving $60 mil to Fitz in the first half of the season as if it was a necessity? He just got PAID and has done NOTHING since then. All the while Fred is busting his tail off to carry this team. Gailey is a f*****g JOKE!!! AND SO IS GEORGE EDWARDS!!!!!!! If we lose out this season, Nix better start droppin bombs on this coaching staff b/c this is flat out PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!
by youngchamp on Nov 20, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
1) Our O-line was productive before bad luck struck. Bell was effective. Hairston was effective in his place. Playing our #3 LT, of course there will be problems. Playing our #2LT next to our #2LG next to our #2C, or course there will be problems. What should we expect?
2) Just about everyone and their grandma’s like the Brad Smith signing at the time. Sure he hasn’t done anything, but it’s not like we missed out on someone that wanted to come here.
3) Our #1 WR has been injured the whole year and has 40some yards to his name this season. He would have just been another name on a list of injured Bills.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
#3 LT?
we don’t even have one of those.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
gotcha- my bad.
for some reason, I don’t actually consider him a LT, even though he performed admirably. I am happy to pigeon-hole him into being a Pro Bowl caliber LG.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
I have been one of the people opposed to the Brad Smith signing since day one. You don’t continue to find, sign, and draft gadget players when you don’t have a strong, stable core around them.
Another thing…how many other teams is Steve Johnson WR1? St. Louis and Seattle maybe?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s definitely WR2 material. Just like Lee Evans before him. A legit #1 WR is a need, but we have a lot of those.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 21, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Lee Evans???
You are worried about a track guy with banana peels for fingers ? We had him since 2006 and he led Buffalo to the playoffs a total of ZERO times…good bye won’t miss you.
by ONEREALMAN on Nov 20, 2011 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
shade harsh
last i checked, it is a team sport
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m willing to give Levitre a pass for today. It was only a matter of time before we found out he can’t do everything. But they should have had a backup plan for what did occur.
We did — unfortunately, it was named Geoff Hangartner . . .
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I think its also a problem of predictability
Buffalo hasn’t been able to get the run game going, routinely down 14+ points in the first half. This is not at team built to eat time off the clock. Kind of like the seven second offense in basketball-it’s great when things click, but man you can lose by a LOT when things go poorly.
The thing is they ARE a team built to eat time off the clock. They have a possession-based pass attack and up until today I think the #1 rushing attack. Their lineman are built to maul people and keep the clock running. Something’s happening where they’re getting cute.
I find it unacceptable how Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller destroyed the Dolphins’ D that first drive then the gameplan switched completely. Is it possible the Dolphins figured it out after one drive and rendered them useless? Even down 14 points they still needed to focus on the run.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
The Bills D can solve the Fred Jackson Problem for your Team
They really seem to do the best job of eliminating Jackson as a threat. They’ve given up so many points so quickly, the offense never has much of a chance to put anything together.
by FrankL on Nov 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You still don't throw everything to the winds in the first half
You HAD the leading rusher in the league. Use the man and keep running the ball. Do the Vikings quit giving the ball to Peterson when they get down? The last two games I saw play calling built on panicking than sticking to the gameplan.
by telka on Nov 20, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
the problem is, gailey doesn’t recognize his best player is his best player. somehow.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Injuries
This team is really, really thin. Just a few pokes and prods, and it starts to fall apart. You could see how Levitrie (bless him for trying) couldn’t play center, and it threw tons of other stuff off.
This could be a 5-11 team, ladies and gents. Oy.
Good thing they cut Hangartner.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well
Its been stated many times, but you cant pay a back up guard starter money thats more than what your starting RT, starting LT, and starting RG make combined.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
You sure as hell can
So that you don’t have your starting guard moved from LT to center, a position that he can’t play.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
A stack of saved money can’t block anyone either
Took the crow out of the oven. Replacing it with the only bird this team reminds me of...a turkey!
You cant in hindsight very bad salary structures at positions. Sure if you knoew hang was gonna start 8 games, I bet theyd keep him and pay him. But you dont know that, which is why teams usually dont pay guys to be backup centers…
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
in our team, you DO
The Bills and SEASON-ENDING injuries at crucial times of the season just go hand in hand. If the entire NFL does not do it, that means for this team you DO.
Most teams
dont have great backup centers. Its just the breaks. I know its gonna bring up hang again. But in the nfl teams backup centers usually no good. Look at what the jets did when mangold was out.
I mean, did I think Levitre would be this terrible… no… its definitely a problem. But that doesnt mean paying starter money to a guy you dont like at guard is the solution. Gonna have to look at Urbik or Brown snapping this week. Cause levitre is thinking about way too many things.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good god.
So you’re basically saying the Bills should bring in worse players because they’re cheaper. The Bills could afford Hang, his contract wasn’t team breaking. Brad Smith makes more than a lot of players and is worthless.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 20, 2011 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Enough already about Hang – can’t we just accept the fact that he wasn’t very good, and that’s reason #1 he was cut? The money didn’t hurt the rationale for sure, but he had the chance to beat out a poorly-playing Urbik and others at guard, but couldn’t. He was beyond bad in preseason, and hindsight doesn’t help anyone. I think Chan was wrong to use Levitre as the backup at C though – please just keep him at LG and quit throwing everything out of whack.
by BuffaloRepresent on Nov 20, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you hangartner could not beat out urbik or chad. He sucked especially.against big nt and dt that run rampant in our division. Money had nothing to do with. I request you all to go through the leagues rosters and see who has a good back up center option. Ok now when your done provide the details and continue to complain about hang if you want
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats not what I'm saying.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
AMEN TO THIS!!! ^
Brad Smith? What has he done to warrant that kind of contract? He even sucks on kickoff returns we he gets a chance to return one.
i wonder
if the same guys who blast the bills for spending on a guy like brad smith (11 weeks into the season….) are the same guys who were blasting the bills for not spending enough on pricey veteran FAs during the offseason…
i have a strong suspicion that those 2 groups of people have considerable overlap
Your suspicions are wrong.
And 11 weeks isn’t long enough to realize that Brad Smith isn’t worth his contract?
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by twoeightnine on Nov 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
no. i dont quite think it is. things certainly arent looking good with brad smith. but i wont judge his 4 yr deal off of 1 half of a season
3yr deal
and he is a KR/reserve WR (which we obviously need) in a guy who takes up a 3rd QB spot on the roster. name another 3rd QB who does anything but ride the pine.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
3rd string QB's also don't make $4mm/year
It’s not just the roster spot, it’s also how much $ the organization is willing to throw around. While it’s true that the Bills are way below salary cap, but it still doesn’t mean Brad Smith didn’t take $ away from someone else that they could’ve had/kept.
by paythemannow on Nov 21, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
it's only like 3
and given he is a veteran, he would make at least 2. so if we are trifling over the difference of the league minimum… whatever. it isn’t money outta my pocket. this argument is cop out. It seems to be the fundamental argument- we pay him too much… ALL these guys get paid a lot. Some more than others. If you wanna employ that mentality… market demand dictates worth, right? so how many other guys like him are out there? because rarity certainly raises any commodity’s value.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
he can be a rarity on somebody else's team
speaking of hogging a roster spot. what does he really do? I know it’s good to have 3 QB’s but at this point in the season, whoever gets injured will just end up on IR anyway, so unless we lose 2 QB’s in 1 game, we’re fine. and even if we lose both QB’s and Moorman has to come in to finish up, all the better – we might get another decent draft pick next year.
by paythemannow on Nov 22, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
that seems pretty matter of fact
when his statement is entirely reasonable. I remember plenty of love for his signing. not to mention we took a weapon away from our divisional rival. it is certainly too early to gauge really any of the roster just yet. most of them haven’t played, few have played together, and none are perfect and couldn’t benefit from reps.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but
it does you no good to buy a weapon you don’t even know how to use either.
valid
i think you kinda hit the nail on the head. I am not sure Gailey has figured out how to use almost ANY of his weapons, certainly not properly. He seems to be micro managing Fitz, and ignoring the rest.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
which now that i think about it
makes some sense. it seems like without you and your signal caller on the same page, it would be impossible to be productive, ever. at least we have demonstrated SOME ability to produce, some of the time… and as the offense expands… we could be right where we had been. i am not throwing in the towel yet. We have a chance to improve, and at least 1 year more to see how we can progress under this staff… i am still hopeful. even if i am one of the few. i am ok with being one of the only ones still right in the end.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Brad Smith is the slowest return man i’ve ever seen. It’s like someone asked a blocking tight end to run the ball out of the endzone.
I don’t get it because he was lightning in a bottle doing it for the Jets. Though it was against some terrible Bills teams. I’m not sure he did much against other competition. I can only speak for the times he and Washington made fools of them.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The question is do CHIX decide to go and and try to find a new centre or do they accept that the season is effectively over and just try and get by?
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
That is the question.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
They have five losses
Its not over, they would have to go 5-1. Make a statement, show the fans you are committed to winning, sign a center. Or, play for the draft picks. The way they are playing now, the only game I can see them winning is Miami in Buffalo.
shoot, i doubt it bob
they won’t win another game. too many injuries and guys have clearly given up. I’d be pissed at Gailey for his horrible gameplans the past 3 games. TEAMS HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT GAILEY!!! Even the 2 and FREAKIN 7 FINS!!!!!! CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY or get prepared to be FIRED!!! And you can take your “Harvard QB” too!
how can you tell its been 'figured out'?
we were horrendous executing this week. if i felt like the dolphins anticipated everything this week id agree. but we got beat man on man so amny times scheme was irrelevant. if you are fumbling snaps, throwing high dropping balls, thats not scheme.
every team runs a lot of the same formations every week and sometimes the other team disrupts what you want to do. but the problem isnt scheme or even predictability anymore. its guys cant chew gum and run.
bills couldnt have beaten the other team today regardless of their gameplan. bills beat themselves soundly this week.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
seriously?
how can you watch a game like that with blinders on and see something other than a mediocre at best defense completely shut us down. look at the point differential first half versus second half. i don’t think this matter is even in contention.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
first half of the season
to second half of the season. either way…. we are sucking.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure what you are reacting to. It doesnt seem germane to my post. I stand by that scheme was impossible to evaluate in this game. We just didnt execute the most basic of plays that clearly could have worked. But sure, we can switch the scheme in the week with the new center and then see if anything is different (I dont think so). I count at least two TDs in the redzone and more than a few first downs that were ther and we either dropped it or threw too high. And i see two interceptions that were not the fault of the scheme. So these scheme rants I think are too focused on absolving players when they are the ones that blew plays — especially in this game.
I saw a fumbling bumbling offense starting with the center and then the QB and then the receivers. I saw way more Bills mistakes than Miami plays. I’m not saying we havent been throttled by opponents inthe last few weeks. But in this game, I thought we were so bad on fundamental stuff I can’t sit back and say the spread is the problem. The repeating of that line around here in response to THIS game seems entirely misguided. We could barely snap the ball, and when we did the QB was throwing high, and when he wasnt, receivers were dropping balls, or there was confusion on the play, whatever. That to me isnt a product of being outschemed that is a product of our guys playing bad — that was problem number one.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 21, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
i could agree with you completely
if this were the first week that the scheme has failed us. you might recall though, that this our third loss of this nature, and it is obvious that we can improve not only in execution, but it taking advantage of our talent better, and attacking our opponent with more than one method. I saw all of the things you describe as well, but I can’t absolve the scheme for failing when we had better opportunities for execution in previous weeks, any more than you can absolve the scheme due to circumstances that we will be dealing with moving forward. Hard to not see a bunch of ugly, and numbers of logical reasons for that ugly. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t make some changes to our style of play. As evidenced by the poor play in just some warm rain… I personally feel that we should have been playing to our strengths sooner, and been more aggressive with the run, and feeding Fred the ball. Consistent failure to do this makes me consider that the staff is simply trying to find success without giving Fred fuel for the contract he deserves. I find no other reason a top 5 back wouldn’t be used more. Forte is 50% of the Bears offense. Adrian Peterson, McFadden/Bush, Arian Foster… I mean, these guys get touches, and their teams use ball control to assist them in winning games. We spread out our team, and use undrafted free agents and 7th rounders as the strength of our team, even when FredEx has delivered. This is folly. IMO.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not absolving scheme
Bit it seems so central to so many of these posts, and I’m not sure it was really the problem this week (I’m not saying it wasnt a problem against the Jets or last week, but again if we connect on a few of the shots we call, I think a lot changes in those games).
I don’t think they are trying to deny Fred anything, but we as fans shouldnt be interested in giving Fred a career year, extending him at pro bowl back money when hes 31. Thats a risky bet with a lot of history to say its usually a bad one.
I don’t think Fred produces like these other guys. I’m not hating on Fred he’s great, but we’ve seen him successful in THIS system. Not in a pro set. I frankly think the system has helped Fred rather than hindered him this year. It’s his best year and he’s seen some outrageous holes and is great catching the ball on screens and underneath routes. Hence a major source of his production has been predicated on our offense, not despite it.
I agree in this game something under center made sense just because we couldnt snap it. That frustrated me. But no, theres no way they are trying to steal money from Fred at this point in the season.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 21, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
scheme is certainly a problem. When your scheme isn’t supported by your roster strengths… well then you are setting guys up for failure. tell me, do you want the top 5 back, and 1st round guy with potential, or 5+ 7th rounders or undrafted guys being to primary focus of your offense?
when any defense can stop you because you refuse to budge, and remain stubborn, and then just go out there and fail… then some adjustments need to made. there is no way this is false.
we will likely franchise fred, and then they will attempt to work CJ in more, so he can start the following year, to save face. Otherwise they are saying “our first pick was a total bust, we screwed up as bad as the previous regimes, please fire us now.”
I don’t think Fred produces like these other guys. I’m not hating on Fred he’s great, but we’ve seen him successful in THIS system.
not only is this inaccurate, it is contradictory. Sorry, but what you think is wrong. He was the league leader in yardage going into this game. He certainly is as good as those guys, and yes this system HAD worked, but when something is broken, you need to fix it. Previous success, certainly isn’t a guarantee of continued success.
as far as it being his best year, this is arguable as well. he led the league in all purpose yardage in 2009as you can see here.
you can SAY there is NO way… but you could be equally wrong in doing so. It is POSSIBLE that they rather not invest significant money because:
extending him at pro bowl back money when hes 31…. Thats a risky bet with a lot of history to say its usually a bad one.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
we will likely franchise fred
Fred Jackson is under contract through NEXT season.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 22, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
good heavens. i have said this on other threads. he will hold out next year without a new contract. if he didn’t get signed, we would franchise him the following year. sorry, but this is common sense. we aren’t gonna just let our top 5 RB walk away for nothing. we should just re-sign him, of course.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 22, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
But again, we left so many plays in this offense on the field due to poor execution, I can’t get behind these global complaints that we run a college offense. I dont think its true, somehow the spread has become running with 4 wideouts and is a dirty word. It shouldnt be. We just are limited in what we accomplish. I think thats true in a lot of sets.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 21, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
i am not against multiple WR sets
Saints, Pitt, NE, GB, all these solid and successful teams employ these packages. They also feature 2TE sets, offset I formations, I formation, Singleback 3 wr 1 Te, ETC ETC ETC. we run… spread… wanna run? run from spread. Wanna pass? pass from spread… wanna see your qb get hurried and your team get shut down because we are running college level stuff? run spread. We should just start running option more wildcat too. Man. I am just looking to take advantage of roster strength, and on offense, it is using our large lineman to push people around, so our shifty running backs can rip runs. hat on hat doesn’t work, when you don’t get YOUR hat on THEIR hat. period. misdirection? haven’t seen any counters this year. Press the edge? not a lot of sweeps or tosses. we are so basic it is sad.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
And he is
Too stubborn or too whatever to change. You see other coaches around the league adding wrinkles on offense and defense. I haven’t seen anything even remotely competent on defense, same plays on offense………..
is it stubbornness or incompetence?
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I would say on defense incompetence. On offense stubborness to change.
My opinion
When I see a DC using Spencer Johnson and Alex Carrington as OLB, it is incompetence!
agree with this
that is poor. that is HANDING the opponent a mismatch.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd all of this ^
George is beyond incompetent and Gailey is beyond stubborn. and nix is their father lol
but you cant pay a back up guard starter money thats more than what your starting RT
you sure can unless your cheapskate owner says no.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
But salary structure matters more than just the bottom-line. You are telling multiple starters they deserve less than a guy who should in theory not see any snaps.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
with the injuries we have seen from the past 10 years
everyone sees snaps eventually
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
dude, WE SUCK
Who gives a flip? we need quality insurance b/c we ALWAYS end up getting injured. When your dang kicker gets injured and you have to go grab one, you KNOW you have to do things differently than the rest of the nfl.
So what? assume everyone will be injured and have someone of starter quality behind each of those people?
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
ANOTHER DUMB DECISION
by the Bill FO. How do you just get rid of Hangartner without a backup Center? So, you get rid of Hang who has been a real good starter for us over the years to have Levitre be your backup? WTF?!?!?!
This could be a 5-11 team
That would put us in position to draft RG3. Fitz is NOT the answer and IS part of the problem.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Fitz is small part of the problem, we have greater needs elswhere.
by BobDH on Nov 20, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll take RG3 over Fitz anyday, especially after last night.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not a given he declares anyway. He may want to go back and have a better shot at top billing the following draft.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 20, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Dumb Question: Who is RG3?
Robert Griffin III, QB of Baylor.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Doug Flutie
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
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They ARE...
Remarkably similar in appearance.
he is
much more athletic and very accurate. RG3 Has the Texas state record for hurdles. He has world class speed. Throws a nice deep ball. More accurate than Fitz IMO.
Fitzmagic
More accurate than Fitz IMO
I’m not sure that’s really saying much.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
agreed.
i’d rather get an MLB, OLB, another CB or DB, or even a WR or OT than go with a QB in the draft.
Fitz is good enough to succeed with good people around him, even if he isn’t good enough to make a team great.
They absolutely need.
A pass rushing OLB first. A gifted fast, big vertical threat receiver and a couple of corners. Then OL depth.
by Coach Bob on Nov 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Fitz makes too many mistakes
but we do need a physical beast of a WR. If we cont to play like this, I’d wouldn’t be against us drafting Justin Blackmon in the 1st. Instant upgrade! But Gailey needs to change our offensive scheme. Scratch the spread quick. However, our defense is EMBARRASSINGLY HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! GEORGE EDWARDS NEEDS TO BE CANNED, NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Fitz is a big part of the problem
While I agree he’s not nearly as bad as he’s looked the last 3 weeks, there are going to be games where his inaccuracy kills us, even if we generally play well – i.e. the Giant game this year. If the eventual goal is to be more than an 8-8 or 9-7 team we’re going to need someone better.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 20, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
RG3
ripped it up last night too!!! Fitz is garbage! He was off and you can’t expect our WR’s to catch balls that are 6ft over their heads either. I’ve said this for a while now and have gotten ripped on it, but we NEED to get rid of this dumb spread offense. In this league you have this thing called “professional d coordinators” who get paid to figure opposing offenses out and shut them down (George Edwards is the exception). When you have been figured out and not just stopped but derailed, why do you continue to run the same crap?!?! It’s beyond me! our offense is NOT PHYSICAL. All teams have to do is play press coverage and smack us around like some little punks, and we’re beat.
He did fine from under center snaps. It was trying to force the shotgun that killed him. A few prods no exuses but lt, best lineman also center, Four hurt receivers, ss , best defender. Are all starting players And all hurt or out and ir. That is not a prod that is shotgun blast.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Use Urbik
Don’t play a guy who has never played center until some this year. Urbik looked great at center last week and played it some in college. Last week I posted Hairston, Levitre, Urbik, Rinehart, and Pears. Guess I was right, eh coaching staff?
He did fine from under center snaps
Fitz’s footwork is TERRIBLE under center, he can’t sell a decent play action pass from under center either.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I said levitre was fine from under center hate burst the bubble but fitz does not have mechanics that are good in shotgun either.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i’m still in shock nix gave fitz the contract fitz got. Nix must have read too many Jerry Sullivan columns saying Fitz should get paid before he ever made a playoff appearance
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's just not that much money.
And it certainly isn’t as if it is blocking Buffalo from signing free agents. I really don’t think Fitz’s contract is the problem here.
Exactly.
We paid middle of the road money to a guy who was ten best at the time, now, not so much. (I do credit the line some for this debacle, but damn, JP’s issue was he’d never throw the ball away, Fitzy’s is he needs to learn HOW to throw the ball away. Or take a sack or five.)
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Levitre wasnt even close to fine under center
Thats not me excusing Fitz, he had his fair share of bad plays. But a good portion of our snaps started badly. That can impact everything.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
cuz he is S-M-R-T smart
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
He got 31 million
Not 60. If he ends up getting the whole 60 million its because he played well enough that everyone will agree he deserved it.
by FrankL on Nov 20, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we don't know that
the way we understand it… it is 60 million as long as he is here all 6 years. either way, he is making 11 mil a year the first 3.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
He won't be here 6 years
If he doesn’t play well.
and its’ 31 mil over three years, which just isn’t that much money for a middle of the road QB.
“Jones and McGee were both carted off the field. That list speaks to the level of physical domination inflicted on the Bills for a third straight game.”
Unless I’m mistaken, McGee was injured when he tripped over a player who just scored. Though that’s a good metaphor for this season.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Metaphor for McGees last few years in Buffalo. Wasnt his initial injury on his first play?
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what happens
This happens when guys are playing half speed. Looks like Roosevelt and Chandler were the only guys to show up on offense today!
Worse team than last year despite the record.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed
this team has no fight in them the over the past month…at least last years team was competitive.
what?
4-12 is more competitive than 5-5? by whose math? i will take 50% over 25% all day. I don’t care if the games we win are by a point, or the ones we lose are by 40. only stat that matters for playoffs is wins, and sometimes having the better record STILL doesn’t mean anything (see: Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year). Being “competitive” losers is not the goal.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
At this moment...
I’ll agree. This team is better than this when they’re healthy, but they’re better than this now and it’s just not happening.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Bills shut out Redskins
Then get blown out by Dallas, who are now about to lose in OT to the Redskins….
WHOOMAGHAWHA????
That's the NFL
And John Beck.
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
The looks need to change.
If your defense is suspect, run the football. Add some new run formations, some with McIntyre as a blocking back and some with Spiller and Jackson. I know injuries are beginning to pile up but I genuinely believe the caching staff are not putting the players in a position to win. Two runs by Spiller on the goal line. Use the fullback or Jackson. Use Spiller for pitches with Freddie back there to. I have never seen a staff so reluctant to add wrinkles both offensively and defensively, wow!
Add some new run formations,
Chan the so called “offensive Genius”
only knows how to run a college spread, he’s forgotten what a pro power offense looks like.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Stubborness
The ability to adapt and well as motivate your players is what separates good coaches from average coaches.
amen.
but it’s not like we had any better options to coach here, other than keep fewell as hc. he probably would have done a better job cause he wouldve hired a competent NFL OC who’s not the league leftovers like Martz. our defense would have been much better after 2 yrs as well b/c our players are more suited for the 4-3 tampa 2. all we lacked was a run-stuffing DT, an OT and with a simple power run offense we could have kept Trent.
i dont understand how our players are better suited for a 4-3.
I think our coverage scheme might be because Mckelvin is a cover 2 cornerback. But i dont think our pass rush would be any better. We would still need an OLB, and now in a 4-3 a DE or 2.
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You are correct....switching schemes is not the answer....better players is the answer
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by Joe P. on Nov 20, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes and unfortunately
is going to take another year or two to get and develop better players.
Fitzmagic
better players is the answer
Amen, and 95% devotion to defense with the documented results, brings up another issue….bad management.
Took the crow out of the oven. Replacing it with the only bird this team reminds me of...a turkey!
Bad management?
while i agree its disappointing the Bills are not going to make the playoffs after a hot start. It takes time to get better players..
Fitzmagic
I would consider the Spiller pick and the Fitz extension bad management
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by Joe P. on Nov 20, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It takes time to get better players.
OK, but, injuries happen, yet, we are getting worse not better. 2 years of defensive heavy drafting should yield something. Look at the last 3 weeks objectively…. it’s not there. Dareus was low hanging fruit. The rest is bogus,
Took the crow out of the oven. Replacing it with the only bird this team reminds me of...a turkey!
I know
sadly I am starting to agree that Fitz is not the guy. But I have a much different view on Spiller. I think he is way underutilized as Fred has been the past couple of games (due to bad defense offense forced to pass).
Also i have to disagree with you on building a defense. Although it hasnt gone well so far. Nix is building this team from the inside out. we have 4 good DL, Dareus, williams, carrington, edwards, and maybe if troup can stay healthy 5. we have barnett and Shepp at ILB, but i think we need to draft another guy there (white got hurt), although morrison/davis is pretty good depth just old. We have great safeties (Searcy played great in both games he was in).
Now we need to add talent at CB (which we started to w/ williams and rogers). And OLB (we have decent backups, we need a true starters at both though, Kelsay is ok)
Its going to take time. and the lack of talent on offense isnt helping either.
Fitzmagic
finally
this sounds like a bunch of reason. we need CBs. (rogers did ok) and we need rushers. Somehow, everyone has seemed to forget that we lost a pro bowl DT and are now playing a whole new DL, as well as OL. Without Dareus, we would be in far worse shape.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron Williams is our best corner.
i am not even going out on a limb there. we need a few more of them (like 3) and i personally hope rogers is one of them. searcy is solid (there were some communication errors, but this is unsurprising.)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Damn your realistic words!
True, though. We need people back and we need to solve Miami at home… just to get the taste out. It’ll come down to if the team can squeeze out two more wins or not. 6-10 is a necessity, in my opinion, 7-9 is useless, 8-8 makes the team feel like they’re not lost and makes the rest of the league think they could do well. Especially the FAs.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
idk that i care about FAs
and thanks… i am a realist that borders on pessimism unfortunately. but i rather be forward, and state my view genuinely… because it makes it less hard to accept when i am wrong. Anything better than 4-12 shows improvement. I think we can pull off 2 more wins. which shows we barely took a step backwards while adding almost 60% new players (or more) and gaining experience for the guys who are BRAND NEW to the league. People here are being pretty harsh IMO.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Silly, silly, silly question...
does he HAVE an OC? Or is the guy with that position just holding a clipboard.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
curtis modkins is his OC
and was also at Georgia Tech. He has been involved in this incredibly basic system for as long as Gailey has employed it. That doesn’t mean teams haven’t figured it out, and that his stubbornness isn’t getting in the way.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Weird, that.
There are OCs who are so prevalent… crap, you’d think Charlie Weiss was coaching Florida, not Muschamp. And there are OCs who are just, well, organizers. I presume from what we’re saying Modkins is an organizer.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
he could be a towel boy, for all the involvement i have seen
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
ik totally agree.
why cant we have a power run game. our WRs are terrible (besides stevie) and fitz isnt playing well.
Fitzmagic
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fitz couldnt throw the ball accurately to him
he shouldve had 2 TDs today but fitz totally missed him…
Fitzmagic
This is exactly what I've been screaming
Gailey needs to adjust his scheme to give this team a better chance to win. Teams have figured out how to destroy the spread. plus our defense can’t cover crap.
Gailey needs Tebow.
Yup. I brought that to this party. Seriously. If you’re going to run the spread, Tebow’s gotta be your goal, right? People will continue to say he can’t throw but he’s shown he can throw. He’s essentially still a rookie and if given time to learn the league – he will dominate.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be so much more excited about this team
if Tebow was the pick instead of Spiller
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by StroudFanClub on Nov 21, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz is a problem period
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Were you saying Fitz was a problem then? It takes more than a QB to win a game. The defence not being able to stop the opposition is a much bigger problem. This will work itself out but will take time.
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
yes i was i was never happy with fitz being our franchise qb i never thought the contract extension was a great ideal at the time and dont think it is now
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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's a minor extension
It’s very cheap to get out of, comparatively, if they don’t want him. It’s not stopping Buffalo from doing something with a different QB if they want.
24 million guaranteed????
You really think that’s cheap????
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
For a QB
Sure. The guaranteed money is over three years too-he def wasn’t going anywhere next year, even if they did get a new QB so you’re talking about eating one year if you really don’t want him after the next year.
This is not the Jauron extension or the Mike Williams signing or countless other deals, even if Fitz does kind of eat it from here on out (which he won’t).
For a starting QB it is fine, but for a backup?????
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well, maybe we could use that money to sign some good FAs....just a suggestion
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That's not the problem
There is plenty of money to sign good free agents, Buffalo just doesn’t do that.
There is nothing in Fitzs contract or play to stop Buffalo from being a good team. I agree that they might not be a great team with him, but the Bills are a long ways away from worrying about that leap.
Re: Fitz
There is nothing in Fitzs contract or play to stop Buffalo from being a good team.
Interceptions will stop Buffalo from being a good team.
(Cue response: But they were off receivers’ hands!)
could it be possible that Fitz could have fewer INTs if he receivers were more consistent in making catches? I think so. So why should we write that fact off? Just because it is more convenient to blame one guy, than a whole squad (goonies or not?). It seems unfair to put it all on Fitz even though I agree that the stats fall how they fall, and he isn’t without fault either.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you think that money would motivate Fitz. he is playing worse then ever 7 picks in the last three games that’s our QB
yeah.
he should just throw passes to himself, and then block for himself on sneaks. Cuz he is the only guy who has played poorly recently, or for that matter, is a one man team. He is the only guy we have. May as well call the team the Buffalo Amish Rifle (non plural cuz he is the only member of this team) Why even bother with posts like this? Did he deflect the balls off his hands? Just because he gets the INT attributed to him, doesn’t mean that the two picks today weren’t football that bounced right off of his receivers hands.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When teams run cover 2
and play off the receivers, the spread is fine.
When they play man to man bump and run, we are screwesd with the personell we have
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Went from looking forward to Sunday to dreading it. This team and coaching staff are just miserable. Nix’s drafts look worse every week. Edwards is an embarrassment. Chan sticking with the shotgun today was stupid beyond belief. I’m sorry to say that I’m confident of my preseason 5 and 11 record.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
I said 7-9
But as of right now, that looks like a stretch. Silver lining, good draft picks!!
that looks like a stretch
ya got that right,
who would think that Chan couldn’t even match a Jauron record after 2 years?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
That should read “good draft positions.” Whether the picks are good or not is going to be the real question, yet again.
by BuffaloRepresent on Nov 20, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
How many ways can the bills embarrass us as fans as a city and a region. They just know how to take us to the lowest depths
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Why did you get rid of Hangartner?
How do you go into a season without a legitimate back-up center? Kind of a critical position, right Buddy?
i wanted them to cut hang. i thought he stunk and i thought it made more sense to keep younger, bigger backups on the interior. i still think that decision made plenty of sense.
in my opinion the disaster that was levitre at center today was 100% on the coaching staff. if the guy cant snap well from the shotgun, uhhhhh, call some plays from under center. problem solved
or put urbik there.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Cowboys seem to be doing welll...
And they cut their 6-time Pro Bowl Center and went into the season with an UDFA as their only center. Who knew?
Hang couldn’t be a Pro Bowler in the Monsignor Martin league. He got abused all day today for Carolina.
I liked starting bad
And finishing the second half better. Rather than this way.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
It hurts more
We just have to suck it up and move on.
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Ralph Wilson.
I’m sorry, but your team as a whole is terrible. I’m sorry you have to deal with this fact late in life, but this is who they are.
At least you have Fred Jackson.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 20, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions
Ralph Wilson
Should be banned from the stadium. We were doing fine until he recovered from his broken hip and started poking around.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. I knew someone was going to say that. I really think he’s more of a superfan these days than anything else. At least i’m hoping that’s the case. Please be the case.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz
When we were 5-1 we signed Jauron to a crazy extension, now this year we did the same with Fitz. Blame it on injuries or whatever you guys want, but know this: Fitz is not a good quarterback! I like him for what he is: a stop gap career back-up. His wind-up and release is atrocious and he constantly throws errant high balls so his receivers are susceptible to lethal hits. The truth is that this team needed another top 5 pick this year to properly rebuild. We need a pass rush, corners and yes a “real quarterback”. If you disagree, I’d like to hear your comments. The Bills always buy high and sell low when IR comes to players. I’ll stop ranting now.
by ManitobaBillsFan on Nov 20, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This team is more than 1 year away from being competitive
And if you don’t like the other QB options out there, then Fitz is perfectly fine QB to get you to a good/build your team up kind of place. He’s good enough to use until you see/find a guy you really want to take. I like him better than anyone Buffalo has had a chance to get.
And I blame the Defense 1000x more than I blame the QB for the last three weeks. I don’t think Fitz has cost us one game in a way that the D has.
Really the jets game was on fitz I am sorry. You can argue what he did in the other two did not matter but all three is a huge stretch.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you have valid points.
But to say he isn’t good, is a generalization that he may have proved inaccurate early on this season. He is good, certainly not great, and in the long term we definitely need upgrades, at each position you mention, and probably more. Rec’d.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Too many mistakes
Look the players are going to make mistakes, the front office and coaching staff have to be better. Too many gaffes!
I am really looking forward to seeing your 3 Good/3Bad on this one.
I envy you not on finding 3 Good out of this. Maybe the 50 yard Spiller return?
George Sanbourne
Seemed to be making tackles. Game ball to the long snapper this week?
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
tough when you are on the field like 3x a game (since we never score and barely ever get to field goal range as of late.)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
We can do 6 bad.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I might say that 2nd half defense played better than 1st half. I think the only points Miami had was the blocked punt.
Moorman throwing his helmet in fury was a good.
The defense finally found a way to stop the uber-talented Matt Moore. Derp.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Bills Press Release:
Coach Chan Gailey has released the following statement:
“I will not be appearing at the scheduled post game press conference. Instead, just replay last week’s press conference and substitute “Dolphins” for “Cowboys.” I will follow this procedure until further notice."
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
by jpheff on Nov 20, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Der Jaeger will have to do the “three bad” post again tomorrow.
But who gets the game ball? Rayner?
.
When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 20, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions
Game ball...
the ball itself. Only thing on the field that wasnt deflating.
Fitz = M(C)²
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I got a TROPPer in the car, uhh!!
Rayner kicked a nice fg.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Lindell would never make that kick.
and i am not a lindell hater or anything… but the guy is 50/50 past 40.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
that's not probably actually his stats before someone jumps all over me.
i am just saying, that should he line up for a kick in the rain, on a grass field, for over 45 yards, i am not exactly expecting it to go in. in fact, any kick over 45 yards outside of a dome is far from a guarantee for him. some might say that is the case for any kicker, but nope. ask Robbie Gould or Mason Crosby, or any of the other cold weather kickers who routinely bomb them out there with at least a chance. Lindell makes me nervous if he is further than 35 yards away, regardless of conditions.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be opposed to the Bills finding room for Rayner. I don’t think they’d ever do it but the team could use a long kick specialist.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
releasing lindell creates space.
just saying.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 22, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s gotta be Chandler. He justified more looks today.
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I don’t know. Levitre played pretty well.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I feel for the guy, but he definitely had a rough day. Not his best performance. Next week, they’re going to have Urbik at C, it sounds like, so maybe Levitre can actually get back to his normal self.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 21, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
The most over hyped players this year
Was on a hot streak, has a cool nickname and won’t be coming out this year.
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
You should really watch a game or two. Not overhyped and could possibly come out this year.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you want to ruin the kid?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
overhyped? i actually think hes under hyped… in my opinion he is clearly in the running as the second or third best QB prospect in the country
by boomsauce on Nov 20, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Robert Griffin III
QB Baylor. Not a bad prospect at all
RGIII
Courtney Upshaw
Justin Blackmon.
One of these three has to be a Bill next year.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd^
how about we sell our first rd picks for the next 3 yrs to get all 3 of these guys?
And I will win mega millions tonight.....not likely
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Quit
Scapegoating Fitz people. Crappy snaps, bad protection and balls bouncing off hands are a recipe for disaster. Yep, he made some poor throws, but he didn’t lose the game. It’s a team effort.
by JP-3 on Nov 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I am sorry if a guy throws 15 bad passes and a few of those recievers drop passes when their strung out to dry.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is getting more blame that he should.
But he has not been setting the world on fire either!
YEs
He’s part of the problem, but hardly the only part.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you and JP-3
when seemingly every single snap was of target there is no way to get an offense going. Levitre could not handle center, nor should he be expected to when he spent the off-season at guard and tackle. Im disappointed we didnt have a backup at center ready.
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yup
clearly it is simplifying things way too far to put it all on Fitz. IF you watch that game, he might not even have been half the problem. Biggest complaint- we see Chandler and Roosevelt getting production, and don’t keep feeding them the ball. who else was there at that point? why doesn’t Chan recognize these guys’ abilities? I blame him for more than half the issue, by being too stubborn to recognize that they need a whole new approach, that may now already be too late.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
yea the gameplan was the same again
and it registered the same result. I was giving the Chan the benefit of the doubt to change it up and he didnt.
On the first drive he got Fred and CJ on the field together and it had nice results but that was about it. Chan needs some new plays
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Well
when you are putting in a new center, its hard to change too many things. I know taht sounds lame. But our execution was so poor, gameplanning doesnt approach something i can evaluate. Spread this or that. We were snapping badly and dropping balls and fumbling and bumbling. We need a week to go over fundamentals, the more advanced questions of system etc seem way down the line from what this team put on tape.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
yea not a bad point
execution has gone from bad to non-existent. These receivers are exposing themselves as having poor hands. The amount of tipped passes into the air and drops is getting out of control.
And aside from his terrible decisions on punt returns, I think CJ Spiller was a bright spot today.
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his out of bounds reception was also annoying
but fitz threw the ball high (surprise!) os its not all on him.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
why can we see this
but Chan cannot? I have been going nuts saying we need to CAN THE SPREAD cause it just is NOT WORKING anymore. Chan should alter his scheme. if the wheel is broke, why keep driving on it? eventually you’re gonna tear your car up. but when you have an owner who would rather drive on 4 donuts than buy new tires you really don’t have a chance.
we did
but we let him go. his name: hangman
Dolphins fan here
obviously this is a dreadful loss for you guys and one that essentially ends your season but the Bills have some outstanding talent on both sides of the ball. i wont talk about the game here too long, I know you all are devastated. Simply leave it with a good luck to the rest of the year and next week against the Jets.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
by civwarbuff on Nov 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I admire alot of what your team has accomplished this year
what is happening now doesnt detract from those accomplishments.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Well the Bills were beaten badly today
but your club is shattered by injuries and this Dolphins team is playing with an incredible discipline and fire right now.
2008 AFC EAST Champions.
Beaten badly the last three weeks.
It’s not getting beat, it’s about getting beat-up! Injuries are no excuse to lie down!
injuries are part of every teams season in the NFL. Every roster spot is important. Buddy has not gotten it done. As I have said many times on this site – look back at the end of last season and you will see identical performance – a good run of wins followed by complete collapse.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
I have to wonder if they’re playing for their coach.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Pity from a Dolphins fan
We have officially hit rock bottom.
by Wien on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’ll recommend this just to put it over the top to green-ness.
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Nov 21, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I gave ya a rec.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Rec x 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Fitz is one man. Was he out there on D? Did he allow the blocked punt? Was he dropping catches? Was he snapping the ball poorly?
Yes he has had a poor couple of games but what do you expect when the Oline is hanging together by a string?
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
just stop it
but what do you expect when the Oline is hanging together by a string?
this is the same excuse that I used with Edwards. At least Edwards could throw an accurate pass, he just sucked once he was beat to a pulp. Fitz hasn’t been beat to a pulp. he just will never be accurate on his throws on a consistent basis.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man
Come on, there is more to Fitz being inaccurate than this. He has played streatches of games with very high accuracy. Its not as simple as he is what he is.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Completion percentage is not the same as accuracy. He does not throw it to a spot for his receiver to make a solid play on it afterwards very often.
i have to disagree. he has done that. these are the same routes, but today it was consistently high. the first 5 games of the season that was not the case.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
He has played streatches of games with very high accuracy
Like I said
he just will never be accurate on his throws on a consistent basis.
Maybe stretches of a few games, but never consistant over the course of a season.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thank You!
Fitz is terribly inaccurate! and Trent was way better than Fitz. he just had no confidence in his line anymore cause he got destroyed and stupid ralph didnt want to pay his probowl LT the $ to keep him here. just watch highlights of Trent before he got injured. he was a beast. if he had a quality coach who knew what he was doing Trent would be a leading nfl qb by now. Trent was not a spread QB. He actually was the prototypical stand back in the pocket passer with one hell of an accurate cannon!
come on youngchamp
I cant believe Im hearing calls for Trent Edwards right now….Trent Edwards was absolutely awful. I was one of his biggest supporters and I assure you he was never a beast. He was smart and had a quick release before his concussion – very similar to Fitzpatrick actually. Then after he got concussed he lost his smarts and kept his quick release – all of which were checkdowns.
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Actually
He started having a problem of not even releasing after a while, just looking at the rush and running out of bounds. That was the final straw.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
yup he got totally gunshy by the end
I believe his final play as a starter was running out of bounds short of the first down marker on a 4th down play right?
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Drew Bledsoe?
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
this team has juggled QBs so poorly over this ten year stretch huh?
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not been pretty
i mean, when you can describe one of the most boneheaded plays ever by a QB, and it can apply to multiple guys you have employed… this is surely a sign of an issue.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ten? Kelly was done at the end of 1996. It’s been a frightening experience since that point. Even the Flutie era was a tease. They finally had someone capable of much more than they were getting elsewhere and they let some cowardly lion mismanage it all.
Until the day comes when a QB rides into town to save the Bills, I will covet that which is greater than I as a fan have been treated to.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea your right
cant leave out the Flutie-Robo fiasco!
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yeah
with time expiring. i think he did it a few times, but maybe just one terrible time replays in my head. i was livid at that.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Trent was done
when Adrian Wilson cleaned his clock. He had 2 good games after that and he was toast.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
unbelievable to me
that his name would be coming up right now.
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by poz on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe because Fitz is starting to suck like Trents final days with the Bills.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Fitz may be stinking it up, but hes already a better QB in the history of the Bills than Trent
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not by much.
1 pile of crap still stinks almost as much as a pile and a 1/2 of crap
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you need a second half of a pile?
not just one bigger pile? you separate out your piles of crap? like liquid vs solid? either way… gross. ; )
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahaha
thats an analogy that creates a wonderful mental image
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He is the first QB to throw for multiple 300-yard games. That’s not an easy thing to do as a Bills QB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz has smarts and leadership qualities.
TE has a college degree that will be the source of his income. He isn’t a NFL QB, period.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think Barkley is better than Luck, but that is just my opinion
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Dream ON
Barkley reminds me of Clausen, a product of his receivers.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guys
Forget the QB, if they want to get real good in a hurry. They need the following: OLB (who can rush) Big, fast, deep threat, wideout, CB, and quality OL depth.
I don’t know how the rest of Bills nation feels, but I’d support trading some picks to move up and get Blackmon.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we need all that AND a QB.
NIX NEEDS TO FINALLY HIT ON SOME DRAFT PICKS.
Because outside of Dareus, he has drafted no stars.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
And it’s hard not to hit on a player like Dareus.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
in hindsight, von miller would have been nice!
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
I wanted Miller, am happy with Dareus, but still laugh at people that were comparing him to Maybin.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Von Miller
I said it from the start, he was much better suited for a 4-3 which is what he in. He would be horrible against the run in a 3-4 but still a good edge rusher.
In a 4-3 he is a all pro every down player, in a 3-4 he is a situational pass rusher,
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I may be mistaken but doesn't Denver run a 3-4?
Or when Fox came in did they switch to a 4-3? I know for sure they ran a 3-4 last year but haven’t watched them much this year.
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by panekattack on Nov 20, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
they run a 3-4
though it sometimes takes on a 4-3 look like many other defenses in the league running the “hybrid”. that said… Miller is a prototypical 3-4 edge rusher. He would be undersized in a 4-3 DE role, and underutilized as a 4-3 OLB. IMO.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
No don't forget the QB
Its the most important position and it’s not even close. In today’s game that position has to be solidified before you can win consistently
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
Then you take a look at the past ten years of Super Bowl winners and you realize there is some merit to all of that talk.
I’m fully convinced of it as I watch the Colts melt down this year. It’s not that they’re suddenly bad all around. They have been terrible everywhere but QB. Peyton raised the players around him and took no-name WRs to unthinkable heights in recent seasons. That situation isn’t too dissimilar from Buffalo. If the Bills had a QB of that caliber, I think they play similar football to the Colts. They’d be a playoff team year in and year out. Might not get to the dance but they’d be one of the league’s premiere teams.
It takes a QB to build a champion today.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd. All. About. The. Quarterback.
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by StroudFanClub on Nov 21, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Don't just blame this on Fitz
This was a total team loss. Just like the Dallas and NY games.
Remember when Fitz let the guy block a punt and then missed that tackle later in the game?
Me neither.
by FrankL on Nov 20, 2011 4:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
WTF?
What a degenerate
How is Brad Smith a degenerate!!?!? I’m thinking of flagging this comment!
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Nov 20, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Stop It
I know nobody wants to say that Fitzy is playing poorly, and make excuses for him, but the fact of the matter is Ryan Fitzpatrick threw two catchablle balls all day. Both were, ironically, intercepted, but there’s something wrong with his mechanics. He’s been throwing high and wide for weeks, so blaming it on the center doesn’t fly.
Obviously we lost as a team, and with a defense this bad, we weren’t going anywhere anyway, but FItzy isn’t the franchise quarterback people think he is.
by JoeRomel on Nov 20, 2011 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This^^^^^^^
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
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ditto
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
agree also
his “mechanics” are those of a baseball player. just watch him. he looks more like a pitcher than a QB.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you the whole team loss I know. But he has thrown very poorly and strings his receivers out to dry very often and people expect the guy to catch the pass bouncing off of two middle fingers. Take off the rose colored classes fitz sucks.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Footwork
Watch when he tries to throw the deep sideline ball, puts his weight on his back foot instead of his front, which is why he routinely underthrows on that route. I coached Qb’s for two years and footwork is the most important element for a QB.
With that said
Fitz shouldn’t be shouldering the loss, those two picks were right in the hands of the receivers! Make a play guys. Make plays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right Scott, Nelson?
Agreed, Bob, though in the last two or three games he’s been overthrowing that route. Stevie got a PI on the one today, but even without it I don’t think he catches that ball. Spiller had to lay out on the same route last week, and couldn’t reel it in.
Fitz just isn’t an accurate QB. Yes, his numbers are in the 60s this season, but that’s because of the spread offense. Very few of his throws are in the numbers.
Lack of vertical threat
The Bills are sorely lacking a vertical threat in the passing game!
You have to at least TRY a deep pass, at least a couple times a game. Otherwise the underneath stuff wil be gone quickly. Plus, pretty much the worst that can happen is a deep pick unless they get a big return, but you help open thing up, you can get a PI call, and who knows, you might actually make a pass completion! Come on Chan!
by BuffaloRepresent on Nov 20, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
this is true but...
Fitz couldn’t throw the deep ball accurately on a consistent basis if we had a vertical threat. That was Trent’s M.O. Man, Trent to Evans was a thing of beauty! Just wish we had a different coaching staff then…
JP Losman to Evans was a thing of beauty
Trent Edwards was never really slingin it all that much
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by poz on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
once a game. maybe
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Fitzpatrick is to old to correct mechanics. The bad habits are written in stone by now.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So how many qbs can alter their footwork and throwing motion after they are as old as fitzpTrick. They have trouble correcting it coming out of college.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Throwing mechanics is one thing!
Footwork is just concentration and repetition.
he sucks at play action too and his footwork is horrible from under center compared to the shotgun.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why they run the spread and also the reason for Gailey’s man-crush.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s the beard. It’s weighing his head down and causing his first line of sight to be off when having to compensate after the wind up.
Cut the beard!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
didn,t want to believe this team couldn,t play through some injury and poor games,I was wrong. no different in depth from last year. no improvement in qb play over last year.
Guys making bonehead plays! defensive needs priorty one. Just has to be.
Hope Donald is ok sounds bad.
remember Chix drafted defense last time. Not very successfully.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
Disagree. Dareus is the real deal. Shepard, Williams, Rodgers, and Searcy have all looked ok as rookies so farthis year. They didn’t get a pass rusher this year, but that shouldn’t detract from the guys they did draft. When you consider that they didn’t have any OTS, minicamps etc due to the lock out, I think Nix’s latest draft class is doing pretty well.
agree
the D is better in a lot of ways. Missing Meatball is huge. It’s not great yet, but its better.
rookies
are not going to step in and be better than veteran players. They need time to develop,
Fitzmagic
says who?
There are plenty of rookies who come in and make huge impacts as rookies.
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by panekattack on Nov 20, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
yup.
i disagreed with this same sentiment elsewhere in this thread. PLENTY of rookies make impacts. Don’t agree: ask Arian Foster how much of a rookie impact he made, as an UNDRAFTED free agent. Or just ask Jairus Byrd if he felt he made an impact his rookie year. Two examples, from two year, one of which is on our own team. This statement is just plain false tomcs
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
it can be found at all positions and all over the league. From the trenches, to the skills positions. Some players do take time to develop but there are plenty of guys who step in and make a big impact as rookies. Unfortunately we don’t seem to draft many if any at all.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Whats that? Ask the best C in football what he thinks about how a rookie is performing?
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
He is a rookie.
Next year, mark my words, he will be a beast.
Mangold is the "real deal." When Dareus makes plays against him, he will be the "real deal."
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
Well he did today
But I wouldnt say he has all year.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
It has been proven countless times that it takes three years to field an effective 3-4 and george edwards sucking.does not help.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we need a true 3-4 coordinator
someone who can scheme up different packages and blitz effectively
Fitzmagic
You don't switch to a 3-4
If you don’t have the players, Chan’s first mistake. Should have waited another year and draft.
Chan’s first mistake
his first mistake was not sticking with the 4-3
we were much better suited fir it, just needed to get bigger at a few positions.
we got screwed by the switch to the 3-4
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
we are not much better suited for the 4-3
why do people say this. Who do we have besides kelsay that can play 4-3 end? No one. Moats and batten would get blown off the ball. Carrington/Edwards are too big and we wouldnt get much of a pass rush. We would have barnett and shepp as LBs but who would be the third one, Moats/batten??.
Also the best defenses in the league run a 3-4. at the time its the better defense to run IMO, although it doesnt matter much when teams pass out of the gun so much.
Fitzmagic
That is simply not true.
Also the best defenses in the league run a 3-4.
The top 10 is about even, except the 3=4 teams mostly got their edge rushers years ago. There is simply not enough solid edge rushers coming out in the draft for as many 3-4 teams now, which is more than there has EVER been before. All we needed was a solid RDE to replace Schobel and a wil LB to have a solid 4-3 as long as we still took Dareus.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
OMG
why is everybody now agreeing with what i have been ridiculed for saying earlier? yes, we should have NEVER, and i mean NEVER have switched to the 3-4. PERIOD, end of story. The ONLY thing wrong with our defense under fewell was we could not stop the run. all we needed was a run stopping d tackle and maybe some depth at other defensive positions. we needed a much better OC calling the plays as well.we should have hired fewell to be our new hc cause he had a fire about him that the players were responding to. he was passionate. much better than jauron and much better than gailey. thank ralph for screwing things up. hiring nix as your gm was laughable, still is. a guy who cont to live on his past success with the chargers for drafting merriman and brees (who i bet they wish they never traded to the saints). what an old fool!
i still disagree
we can’t compete in the winter months with midgets. go look at the avg size of LBS/DL comparative. We are bigger, take up more space, and are just really really young. Rookie NT, MLB, CB (x2 at the end), S… and Second year DE, OLB… I mean, when Jairus Byrd in the third year is a veteran, and Nick Barnett is your most senior guy with 11 weeks under his belt… what do you expect? far too much, obviously. a 4-3 wouldn’t make these guys more experienced.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
You can have a 4-3
That isn’t midgets, it doesn’t have to be a tampa 2, you just need wide bodies up front. Look how good Minnesotas d was so good for so long with the williiams wall. How bout green bay when they had Gilbert brown, you can run a 4-3 that isn’t a tampon 2
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
i understand that. look at the bears though. How many years have they employed this mentality to no avail. just because they are producing now, doesn’t mean that the 3-4 here, given the same time frame, can’t be equally effective. it is just too early. that is what i am saying.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
When we had a solid 3-4
Only 5 teams in the league ran it.
Now half the league does.
There is not enough OLB edge rushers to go around anymore.
So until you have OLB edge rushers that are good IT IS NOT WISE TO GO 3-4
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
this sounds like an opinion
and i just don’t share it. It’s ok. that’s why both still exist. either is an option.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
additionally- this sounds more like an endorsement.
When we had a solid 3-4
Only 5 teams in the league ran it.
Now half the league does.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
No
It is far too early to say that Nix drafted poorly this year. What have you seen that says that the guys he drafted on the defensive side of the ball won’t pan out? Dareus has had an impact, Shepard is starting after missing time in the preseason. I thought Searcy looked decent filling in for Wilson today.
And how does that correlate to this past draft as you implied? Are we to expect that all draft picks will make an immediate impact? Sure the D has stunk, but is it because of a poor draft?
No
It takes a couple of years to integrate draft picks, usually.
which is why
bob you have this thing called good quality veteran leadership on and off the field who can help bring some balance to your team. oh, but nix doesn’t believe in signing PROVEN FA talent to give our young guys someone to learn from. instead, he would rather “build through the draft.” i can’t stand him!!! he is so out of touch, both he and Gailey.
last draft took around 6 defensive guys and defense still stinks. So no benefit this year from last year’s draft. Maybe all will get better but no impact this year.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
ROOKIES are not “always” immediate impact players
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Our run D was good against Miami, and though not great, has been much improved. 2010 is still up in the air but it looks like we’re already seeing 2011 returns in Dareus, Aaron Williams and Danorris Searcy.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Officially starting the trade 2 future 1st Rd picks and Fred Jackson (I know he’s our best player!) for Andrew Luck campaign . . .
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
Newton will be a BUST at the next level, mark my words. He looked very pedestrian in the BCS game. He might be full of Athletic abilities but so was Vince & Jamarcus. He can’t read a defense to save his life! - Keysh67
by Mr S on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Even if Luck turned out to be a good pro (I’m not convinced he will) that’s a bad trade.
by JoeRomel on Nov 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It may not be as bad as you think. Unless you want to win right away, which we aren’t anyway. Luck solves the QB riddle, and then you look to build around him. You just can’t build around a guy who is 28 years old. Blow the team up and start from scratch, like all teams do with a QB.
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
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who is 28?
Freddie is 30 haha. I’d be open to trading Freddie and a 1st for Luck but 2 and a great RB is a bit much.
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by panekattack on Nov 20, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think he means Fitz?
idk. regardless the point is valid. Both Fitz and Fred are probably stop gaps, regardless of how they feel about it. I could put more faith in them, if we expanded our game plan and offense in general. Simply running spread is far too easy to stop. We need to incorporate more wrinkles or formations, or something. we are getting poned.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 21, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I agree
We went from having a coach who was making great halftime adjustments and finding ways to get us back in games and win them to a coach who just seems lost and hell bent on doing the same plays and formations over and over and over again. Injuries are a factor there is no doubt about that but I refuse to believe that injuries seriously have THAT much of an impact on how badly this team has played over the past 3 weeks. As a coach you need to rally the troops and start making changes, there’s nothing left to lose now.
As far as trading Freddie (I doubt they would trade Fitz after this contract extension, it seems more like a deal to help groom a franchise QB) it would be a hard pill to swallow but at the same time his value may never be higher and also how much more production can we expect from an over 30 year old running back. Also he is upset about his contract and wants a big pay raise so maybe trading him is more of a possibility than we think?
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QB
Fitz is not the answer, he never was, but some think so. Other teams have him figured out. Also do the Bills ever change things up from week to week? God At least in High school football they do, to throw off the next opponent!
I'm sorry for the injuries, but happy for the physical play.
Maybe next time gents.
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honestly, with Titans not being all that bad, Tebow helping the Broncos out, Chargers are the Chargers, Dolphins and the Jets just beat the crap out of them, the Patriots will figure out how to beat us…AND THEY WAY THEIR PLAYING….5 and 11 is not really a bold prediciton….
someone please tell me I’m wrong and who can beat.
total team effort today.
Yesterday i felt like fitz was the man. But idk today. I’m watching other NFL QBs (and RG3) and they are much more accurate than he is. They throw the ball down field a lot more and are way more accurate.
Now are defense hasn’t helped his cause. We need more talent at LB and CB. We cant get off the field on 3rd down for anything.
Our offense lacks talent and now with OL injuries it shows even more. I think our OL at full strength is good, we just need to keep gaining depth with our younger players developing.
But we need much more talent at WR. Stevie is good. Naaman is a good 5th receiver, and Nelson is a good slot receiver. We need a big phyiscal fast receiver who can get open over 10 yards. and a true deep threat blazing fast receiver. This would greatly help out Fitz, to the point that he could be the guy.
A major factor is also coaching. We need a new defensive coordinator. A true 3-4 guy who can scheme up different packages, blitz effectively and force an offense to be one dimensional, not Edwards or Wannestedt. For offense, if we are going to run the spread we need to have better receivers, then Chan’s play calling would work great.
For the rest of the season we should use 2 TE sets and run the power offense and keep our defense off the field. Use Spiller and see if he can be a true NFL running back ( i think he can, just doesnt get the touches). And use brad smith more, and see if he is a bust or not.
I think Fitz can still be the guy. We just need to build a good defense and get talent to surround him.
Fitzmagic
Defense lacks a Defensive Coordinator
Let’s face it, even when they were winning he stunk…with the exception of KC and Washington games…
The Bizarro-Abayarde
OHK KNow! THE WEELS ARE OFF THE WHAGGON AND WE ARE BEING BLASTED! THIS TEME IS STELING MY SOUL! WE WILL LAY DOWN. FOR ANNYWON. WE USE TO BE THE HULK AND WE HAVE EATEN KRIPTONITE. NOW WE ARE TEH WHAGGON DISASTER.
THERE IS. NO HOPE.
by Applsoss on Nov 20, 2011 4:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I fear the Bills have stolen abayarede's soul and crushed it
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Well said Brian
They suck….better lose it for better draft position, this team isn’t going anywhere this year, and if you don’t win the SB then who cares. LOSE OUT.
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probably the worst game i’ve seen out of the bills in 40 years. lousy plan. lousy execution, lousy result. and to the dolphins of all worst possible scenarios. matt moore? who the hell is matt moore? wtf?
i’m reminded of john mckay’s comment when they asked him about the buc’s execution in their winless season:
“i’m all in favor of it.”
Injuries and Losing out
We were solid earlier in the year but injuries have simply decimated this team. Merriman and Williams, Roscoe, Wood, Easley, Wilson, now Jones, McGee: We are snake bitten. I can’t even really complain that much about Levitre, he tried. He’s just not a center. I hope we lose out, draft well, get healthy in the off season, and do the dang thang next year.
Yup
big contracts
Can we make a fan rule that the bills shalt not give out big contracts until the team has 10 wins in a season? The big contracts after 5 wins have not worked out (DJ + Fitz).
Obviously, there are serious injury issues too. Hard to believe how quickly this season has gone down the toilet.
by williamsDT on Nov 20, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Newsflash: Bills place entire roster on IR; forfeit rest of season to secure higher draft pick
To waste.
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October 9, 2011
Do you remember how YOU felt on October 9th after the Bills beat the Eagles and were 4-1? Ahh, seems so long ago doesn’t it? Remember thinking to yourself that this year would be different than 08? It had to be, right? I mean, the Bills beat the Pats! This year was gonna be the year we made the playoffs, right? RIGHT?!?
1 and only upside
this is year 2 of rebuild. we weren’t supposed to be good. So, we have arrived. The team I thought we would be, we finally now are. Here’s to getting healthy, getting young guys experience, and accepting that any hope that was there, should now be gone.
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George Edwards needs to go
First reason, they can’t stop anyone…second reason, they play like they are afraid…where is the toughness? The team gets beat up like a rag doll…there is a reason teams respect the ravens and pittsburgh and chicago defenses…b/c they are tough…they hit you…not dance around like they are scared…3 man rush on third and long…no pressure on QB…guy needs to go and quick…never seen so many draft picks wasted on a bad scheme…
So Dissapointing
The Bills just got their rear ends handed to them by the laughing stock of the NFL!!!! The Miami Dolphins… REALLY?!?!?!? What a joke!!! Are we going to lose to the Carebears next next???? Can they beat a high school team? That performance reminded me of Dick Juron. The coaches really need to mix things up better. Every team knows what we are going to do before the game starts. When the crappiest team in existence comes out and gives you a beat down, there is something severely wrong. Win or lose, the Bills had been fun to watch all season, until the last two weeks. They aren’t even competing. Sorry, there is nothing constructive in this comment. Just need to vent!
by Bills Backer Bob on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions
why diid we suddenly turned into an awful team? did opponents finally decide to take us seriously? Did they study film and figured out all the facets of our offense and defense? Do our players decide to not have talent? Did the coaching staff forget to gameplan? Are the players high when they go out there? I mean…What the Frak is going on with this team?
cheer for the Chiefs
if they win, we are in the same position as we were the first time we played the Jets. A chance to knock down gang green and stay neck and neck with the Pats.
I know we look like absolute trash out there, its getting to me too, but at the end of the day this is the NFL and fortunes change overnight (we are a prime example, look at the Dolphins last 3 games compared to their first 7 as well), if the Chiefs pull out a win the Bills are still very much alive for the division.
Whats inexcusable is we had a chance to really make a move with the Jets losing and we failed. Miserably.
It was also basically a unamious understanding on this blog after our hot start that we would be in trouble if injury hit because we had no depth. Injury hit. We’re in trouble. No shocker there. This team doesn’t stink at full health. We need to reload on depth and upgrade some key positions and we’ll get better. Until then, pray the Bills backups get more comfortable out there because it seems like no one wants to win this division and thats keeping us alive.
For the record, this game was worse than the Cowboys game which was worse than the Jets game.
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by poz on Nov 20, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
nice.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
maybe playing the team that started this streak will break the curse?
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optimist...
is a dirty word. hahaha. do you think we can beat them? I really don’t. not unless we played them weeks 3 and 6.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
got to hope!
I have little faith in the team right now but the Jets and Pats arent doing themselves any favors, which means if we can just do something, anything, to fix this, we have a shot still.
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urbik to center
and oh wait… we don’t have a QB. or a WR (that we actually throw to… i realize what a damn annoying broken record i am, but when is CG gonna realize that Roosevelt can play? i mean, look at his stats….. a catch for 20, a catch for 20, 5 catches for 50, a td for 60, a catch for 20… etc. i mean, sorry but wtf.) Chandler was showing how capable he should be… if we ever used TE’s ever… i mean… what is going on? i am only a fan and i feel i have a better recognition of the guys he is failing to use, and just don’t know what additional evidence he needs.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Roosevelt needs to play more
a lot more. I know Fitz is getting a lot of flack but the top 3 receivers havent done anything to help him the last few weeks.
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you mean receivers aren't there to deflect balls to the defenders?
; ) i hear ya. i wish we worked the middle mismatches a little more. and not just david nelson (who was obviously still ill, and i felt bad for him)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Were these the worst two back-to-back efforts by the Bills in recent memory? Closest I can think of is the 2000 swoon at home against Miami, at Indianapolis on Monday night. The Bills got absolutely destroyed against the Fish, were 7-6 facing 7-6 Indy and Phillips stated that the team had no shot at the playoffs. The Colts promptly smoked the Bills, won out, and made the playoffs.
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yea this was horrible
absolutely horrible, I dont even know what I would have said to a team as a coach at halftime in that lockerroom today.
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stop sucking
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
and then walk out the room. Seriously though, motivating a team that gets their ass handed to them can’t be easy. But what would help, was if you prepared for each opponent independently rather than assuming that your method will get back to working out eventually. Chan is FARRRRRRRRR too stubborn. I loved that we had a few new run formations… that we went to all of 1 time each (offset I and a goalline set)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think I would have been speechless
I mean come on fellas, all you had to do was beat Miami and your back in it and we are talking right now and its 28-6 out there? Id probably start booing them!
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by poz on Nov 20, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
" this is the first time i am glad i am deaf... i can't hear all the boos. "
Van wilder for those that don’t know. that’s what i thought of
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Optimists, please go away
This team blows….period. We get hurt, we display pathetic effort, and we’re stuck with subpar QB for a very long time.
We’re not “building” anything, except for the steaming pile of crap that is the Buffalo Bills, and they are building it higher and higher
Really
“We get hurt” equals this team blows?
You are correct, “we” are not building anything. The Bills organization is building something, and if you you don’t think they are going in the right direction, that is your opinion. But if anything should please go away, it should be these overly depressing, pessimistic posts.
Very Sad
I’m not sure I can watch the rest of the season. If they’d gone 6-10 or 7-9 without the highs and lows, it might’ve been bearable. This is agonizing, the thought of what might have been. It was all a mirage.
Fitz is a great guy but that contract is looking like a terrible idea right now. So demoralizing. So sad.
Seriously
why give Fitz this extension now, why not wait until the end of the season? That’s a horrible decision, like the Jauron extension.
Can’t wait to see VY start his comeback again tonight. He will be the best FA QB disponible next year, and we could have him now. I know most of you don’t agree with me, but just watch the game tonight. He’s a true difference maker. He makes all around him better. He makes horrible teams who can’t play against anyone win games. Fitz is ok, but he can’t carry a team, he’s not a franchise qb.
by Fernando brazil on Nov 20, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions
i think he is proving that he isn’t a franchise qb, though it’s not like many of us fans didn’t already know this.
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Well he didn't get a franchise type extension, so don't worry about it.
31 mill guaranteed is right about where he deserves it-in the 10-15 spot in the league.
really, you would pay a qb 31 million guaranteed dollars for putting up decent numbers in 4 games?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
It's just not a lot of money
and it isn’t tying up any cap space given how under the cap they are now.
you must be rich
cuz i feel like that is a lot of money. i could go out there and do just the same thing. i would gladly make 10 MILLION DOLLARS in order to get hit and drop a ball over and again. fact is, we should have waited til the end of the season to re-sign him
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
who the hell is the bills’ trainer? they need to fire him. too many players get hurt to blame it on bad luck. enough of defending edwards. his ass needs to be fired asap, even if the owner himself or nix himself have to do it themselves. there’s enough talent on this team to at least be competitive. it’s time people are held accountable. same with gailey. if he can’t cut it, adios.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
look what harbaugh is doing in san francisco with an arguably less talented team. it starts with coach. he has to be able to teach, coach, motivate (inspire). i am not sure gailey can motivate himself, let alone his players.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Going into last year
SF was supposed to win the NFC East and be a strong playoff team….they just blew it. They have tons of talent
agreed.
The only thing holding that d back was mike singletary
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
bad drafts, few impact vets, etc/
I really think what we’re seeing is exactly what type of talent this Bills roster possesses. Gailey did a tremendous job getting blood from a stone for half a season, but in the end, I see this awful roster as something few coaches could overcome. The team has no depth, no pass rushers, poor cornerbacks, a hodgepodge offensive line, very few legitimate receiving options, and a QB that relies more on game plans to excel than physical gifts.
Most of the bad drafting falls on previous regimes, but man, that 2010 class looks like an all-time dud. I try to talk myself into this re-build, but that draft class (and again, the final story hasn’t been written yet on them yet) may be too much for this franchise to overcome unless they hit a homerun real soon. Praying for a homerun will likely leave you still praying.
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by Port Royal on Nov 20, 2011 5:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
OL?
Yes they were bad today but they have way overachieved compared to what everyone thought it was going to be. and most OL are “hodgepodge”
Fitzmagic
I’d prefer not to rely on overachieving. I’d argue that Gailey installed an offense intended to cover up the lack of talent on the offensive line- spreading them out and letting Fitz make quick reads. We saw the pluses of such of scheme for the first half, but the roosters have come home. I believe a more talented offensive line is going to be a major key in trying to fix what is a broken blueprint right now.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
yea now that I think about it more, I think you are right.
But I don’t think major changes need to be made. Hairston is developing into a good LT. Levitre is a great LG. Wood is a great C(needs to stop getting injured) RG I think Urbik can be the guy, maybe bring in someone to compete. RT Pears i think has played well. maybe we should draft a guy to develop. I dont think spending an early pick on OL is going to happen because we have less talent at LB, CB, and WR. Our OL is okay for now, I think.
Fitzmagic
agreed
With out the same WRs and O-line folks, the quick release is not going to help with the problems they have. Having a stink-o defense doesn’t help either.
But ultimately, The offense the Bills have was designed to give them the best chance they could.
Kudos Port
In an abyss of whining, a post that hits the mark. Lack of talent is the heart of the problem, and has been for more than a decade.
i still disagree on bad drafts
troup and shepp stuffing them for a safety? that is two core guys selected in 2nd and 3rd rounds in last 2 drafts. we have definitely added talent. problem is we were nearly devoid of it to begin with.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
great point
this team had NO talent before Nix took over. Shanahan said it was a five year rebuild
Fitzmagic
i don't care what Shanahanigans says
he is flip flopping back and forth between john beck and rex grossman. but it is certainly more than a 1 year rebuild.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
sorry if that seemed rude.
i don’t mean to discredit your view, when you are agreeing obviously. But it is more than apparent that we need more than just a year or 2 drafts to take a team that was barely ever competitive, and upgrade them.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Do you feel a random play in the middle of garbage time of a blowout against a 2-7 team is significant evidence that the team has added enough talent? I like Sheppard’s overall body of work as a rookie quite a bit too, and from the preseason on, you could see something different in the draft class of 2011 in general and they have contributed enough to be excited about their future. That 2010 class, Troup included? It may go down as the worst since 2000’s tragedy. We’ll know for sure by this time next year or so.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
They’re not playing well as a team. Maybe it’s due to shuffling caused by injuries? But early on, they were playing well above their talent level, because they were meshing well as a team.
I think the #1 thing is the O-Line. And yet, Gailey is not putting in tight ends or backs to block – he’s running 5-wide sets, with an O-Line that’s a sieve. He needs to change strategy due to different players.
OL is a small factor
but when you spot at team 3 TDs early you are not going to win… The defense is atrocious.
Fitzmagic
the good news
Is now the season is over, we can all watch good football games again. I’m not even going to look forward to next year. I don’t think I’m going to follow the bills next year. It’s not worth the amount of emotion that we invest in them. God I wish we had some NBA.
by JaxBills on Nov 20, 2011 6:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Whew... yesterday, I was mad that I was away from home due to work........
………. and today I am GLAD that I didn’t have to suffer through watching another stinker.
The hotel room had the Lions and Panthers on. What an awesome game.
Its fun to watch good football games!
Next week I’ll be back home to my NFL ticket, and get to watch……… ugh.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 20, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions
Our D is a TRAIN WRECK
Dallas scored TDs on first 4 possessions
Miami scored TDs on first 3 possessions
Among the disasters:
- George Edwards doesn’t deserve a job (and didn’t at the end of last season either)
- Our DBs are truly horrific (great at running routes with WRs, but never seem to play the ball)
- Our pass rush is painfully MIA (yet somehow Maybin can make plays in a different uniform – because better coaches know how to put players in position to make a play)
- Our D is undisciplined (play-actions and misdirections work constantly)
Stopping before this team gives me an aneurysm….
Me first, I second, and I’m already the best there ever will be….
by Posluszny Pollocks on Nov 20, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions
George Edwards doesn’t deserve a job (and didn’t at the end of last season either)
high time to fire this loser and see what the mustache can do.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
to add
I will give Gailey credit for bringing in the mustache as a backup plan if edwards didn’t work out
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
The Stache Plan
He might be a backup in case Gailey doesn’t work out.
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Stop micro-managing the team Chan
Anyone besides me think that having Gailey as a head coach and basically being the offensive coordinator is hurting the team? I think he might be task saturated.
not really
I think Chan’s problem is he has been out of the NFL too long and has forgotten what a pro offense looks like with all this spread and pistol crap. the spread and pistol is fine as a package against certain teams, but worthless as a base offense over the course of a season.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
so you don’t think that all the time he has spent playing the new call of duty has anything to do with our recent losses?
you really think chan plays video games?
I’m pretty sure the problem is he can’t remember how to run a pro style offense.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Head coaching is not about the offense or defense, its both. What I’m asking is, do you think he is able to make adjustments on offense and defense each week? With the team he is coaching?
the only defensive adjustment chan can make is replacing Edwards.
I say the sooner the better.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
You’re assuming that Wanstadt (or someone else) can do a better job mid-season,
can’t really do any worse
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
we have an OC
but he is basically a quality control coach. doesn’t change the fact our DC is not effective. period. we couldn’t stop reggie bush for ****’s sake.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Fire him, I guarantee I could come and improve that defense, guarantee it!
This team needs much more than a defensive coordinator getting axed. It needs to be managed properly. That starts with the the head coach.. who can’t come up with an offensive game plan..let alone a defensive one. I think he’s spread too thin!
That's true
They need more, however, that includes the DC! It’s called a commitment by management to win, keeping a Hangartner, putting the best players you possibly can on the field every week! The GM helps the coach by giving him competent players and the coaches helping the players by utilizing their strengths adjusting schemes. Doing whatever it takes, a total commitment to winning at all levels in the organization!
if he is spread too thin
it is his own fault. needs to learn to delegate.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Were their earlier wins just plain luck?
4 picks of Brady and Vick
But now the defense looks sick
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Do the GM and Owner simply pass the buck?
With each draft just comes pain
Fans look on in disdain
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Decades in neutral, rebuilding is stuck
Every time a contract is extended
We soon wish it could be amended
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
Why do the Bills of Buffalo suck?
It makes me wanna cry f…orget it
Defense scored on all day
Offense can’t make a play
At least there is next year when we might just get Luck.
It comes from the top
Mediocrity is accepted by the owner and you see that on the field!
At least there is next year when we might just get Luck.
keep dreaming, we have too many wins to win the suck for luck sweepstakes. We just might be able to sneak into the RG3 pick though if we keep losing.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions
im not a poet
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Can we sign TO now?
We have only one receiver in Stevie. Nelson is easily shut down when other teams want.
Also, why not sign some guys at the OLB spot? Can they be worse than Moats, Batten, Spencer out of position and Coleman? Bring someone and maybe we have a nice surprise. Everett Brown, Vernon Gholston , someone. The guy who played with Pierre Paul in the college, George Selvin i think, he could be good. Try something. I’m tired of our players going down and we don’t try nothing. C’mon, TO is not the same, but he is waaay better than what we have.
by Fernando brazil on Nov 20, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions
Draft choices
Could we finish poorly enough to select Morris Claiborne or Jonathan Martin?? I know we need a pass rush but I don’t think there’s too many options that will go in the top 15.
We should have a top 5 pick unless this team has a miracle.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously?
I think we’re out of the money already. Not even winning another game.
I have a weird feeling about the Denver game.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Denver game is going to be a thing of beauty…from the Bronco’s perspective. That is one game I’m going to try and see.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 20, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I was holding out hope we could turn it around and win this week
until I remembered that we play the Jets, and they are coming off an extended break since they played on Thursday.
December hopeful!
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Where is everyone who voted Approve on the Nix and Gailey polls?
But don’t worry, it’s all part of the rebuilding process, right?
I voted approve for Gailey for the first time in the last poll on the basis that i hadn’t seen any run-for-the bus games so far. Then the Bills prove me wrong three straight times. Miami was having a ball hitting every Bill that moved. Did the Bills put a lick on any single Miami player, excepting the McIntyre penalty?
I’m really appreciating the job Jauron did with the Bills secondary. Now that he’s been gone two years, it’s clear what he did. I don’t recall seeing so many players out of position and missing assignments.
And hearing Nix’s comments last week concerning lack of depth? Oh my, that’s YOUR JOB, BUDDY!
Enough for now.
Im pretty sure a lot of the people who voted approve are also the ones calling for heads right now
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
i am guilty.
i approved of both… still support Nix, but my Chan love is wavering. I just don’t understand not feeding fred the ball over and over, or taking snaps under center when we see Levitre missing gun snaps (not to be a jerk, but i totally called this earlier in the week when the questions were line calls. I don’t care about line calls if you can’t get the QB the ball from center.)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I voted dissaprove on the last poll to be honest my chips have been in the fire gailey pile for a while.
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matthew 62
We’ll see how Chan handles adversity. Does he regroup the team, can he right the ship and at least have the Bills be competitive down the stretch!
without a center, WRs, A Defensive or Offensive Coordinator, or a defense with an average starter who has like 1.6 years of experience? Tough task for anyone, let alone a professional staff.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Thats part of running a football team! Why don’t they have a center, Nix> Come on, somebody not doing their job right! Fact is, they need better from Nix, Gailey etc.
i can't say i agreed with releasing Hang.
But one solitary move i questioned, doesn’t mean that ZERO of his other moves were useless. I refuse to continue a discussion where we disregard all the positive, to make a point about the negative. not only is it depressing, but it just isn’t accurate.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I still approve Chan.
I’m leaning off of Buddy at the moment, though.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
i don't follow. Why is this? out of curiosity.
he has certainly added talent to a cruddy team.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Are you watching!
His first draft is lousy, I think the second draft is decent. Maybe his hands are tied in free agency. How can you go into the season without a true backup center? He hasn’t lived up to my expectations!
How are you saying how a draft turned out?
its takes a couple years for rookies to develop… not 10 weeks..
Fitzmagic
exactly.
like i said: i saw a first year MLB run behind a second year DT and get a safety. That DID happen. His drafts are from inside out, which is the correct process. if we expect to play a 3-4 though, we need more man corners, and Carrington to continue to play where a 6-5 320lb guys should be… at end. not OLB.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
??
How many guys on this team off Nix’s first draft? Case closed. I agree, jury is out on the last but i do believe there are going to be some good players off this last draft!
uh...
Spiller, Troup, Carrington, Moats, Easley, Batten… heard of any of these guys? how many played today? oh.. not easley who is on IR. you are just wrong here man. sorry.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s talking about the first, though you’re right, there’s only been one year for Torrell, CJ, Alex Carrington (possibly a good one), Marcus Easley (lord, will we ever get to see the man play…), Ed Wang (released), Arthur Moats (… good for a 6th rounder for sure, so that’s two IMO), Levi Brown (was he cut or signed off?) and Kyle Calloway (no clue).
Still, CJ is feeling like a bust-for-his-number by now, and Torrel is the second tackle in a 4 man front we don’t always show.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Levi got cut off the PS
which i hate. why select a developmental QB and then not develop him? Calloway sucked… i don’t know he is even in the league, but a team of 7th rounders we already have. Spiller hasn’t been used enough to be a bust. Is reggie bush a total bust? i can’t say he shoulda been a #2 pick… but he can produce. Troup is solid. 2 years before he came out (when his name was still Torrell JOHNSON he was projected mid first round). i think Coach Bob is being a little rash.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I see about Levi. And really, I agree with you for that, at least keep the man around. Or, you know, have him as 3rd QB. Or second considering some of the play I saw from Thigpen in the pre-season.
And you’re right, CJ is also a Reggie Bush in a way. He can produce if they figure out how to work with him… but they really need to commit to ’he’s a speed back’ or ’he’s a speed receiver’ next training camp. And I must admit, having not seen any games this year, I don’t know what to think of Troup’s performance. He doesn’t rack up stats, so I have to hear other peoples’ opinions.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle williams doesn't "rack up the stats" per say either
but that is the role for a NT. He gets push, or at very least occupies space, which is what you want. I can say, i am a supporter of the kid. he works hard, works out hard, is incredibly humble, and just grinds it out to help the team win. if that isn’t the type of guy ya want on your team… cool. but i will take 50 guys like him, all day. He and Carrington are similar to me. underexperienced, underrated, and ultimately, FOOTBALL players. they will be fine in the long term.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
So he's a gamer.
So is Kyle, too… you know, you’re right. So it feels like Buddy has had five solid picks out of six in the top three rounds of his first drafts. And a good player who just isn’t top ten in CJ.
Okay, I’m definitely not hitting the Disapprove button come to that. My Lee and Hangman opinions probably locked me into a not-sure, tho.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
i understand that
i liked Lee, but look at what he has done this year. someone above said it best: he would just be another injury on our long list had he stayed. CJ was a reach, but if you look at how many RBs were taken in the first, it is like 3. Ryan Mathews went late first, and MAYBE another before the second, but it was just not a deep class, and they knew they wanted to move Marshawn, and Fred was little more than a journeyman to them. Hindsight is 20/20… but then, even when he is leading the league in yardage, we don’t use him. He should be our AP, our Forte, our CJ2K. Instead, he is our…. danny woodhead.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
See, there's that...
But CJ, Brad, Torrell (I’m down on him atm), the Evans trade and releasing Geoff — I think Carolina would at least have given a pick for him — make me wonder. The 2011 draft looks like it’ll pay off, but the 2010 draft, not nearly as well.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
i will trade an injured guy for a 4th rounder every year.
releasing Hang was dumb obviously. Brad Smith is a barely used gimmick player… CJ doesn’t get true opportunities like most first round picks do… seems as though Gailey doesn’t really even understand the benefit of a run game. I disagree about the 2010 draft class, which was a weak class to begin with. Look how deep we went into the 2011 class for example. OUR ENTIRE WR CORE went UNDRAFTED. i mean… that is going to impact your QB. Our line has one draft that we can attribute to it, 3 years ago under the old regime, and 40% are our best lineman period. Hairston for a 4th is an unbelievably solid pick. we can nitpick any team and say this guy was a bust, this guy was a value. Anyone who writes a player off, before they EVEN PLAY is just unreasonable.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hairston was a monster surprise for me.
To think… we may have solved our backup/future LT problem with a 4th round pick? Pretty durable, too, from what I’ve gathered, coming back so quickly.
CJ, you can see me coming around on in this very thread, I don’t think he’s worth top-ten money, just like Donte Whitner wasn’t worth his draft pick and Mayhem was drafted pretty high for ‘small linebacker who pass rushes’. But we will have to disagree on Lee. Seriously, was he injured at the time? I would’ve held out for a third.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
not me
i was STOKED when we took him in the fourth. i actually griped about taking searcy, as i didn’t know anything about him.. but then with our SECOND fourth rounder, as i bitched to my best friend on the phone, we took him, and i screamed out “YESSSSS!!!!!!!!” because he is prototype size, and smart, and a 3+year starter, who practiced against former first rounder Gaines Adams (RIP) and would have been early (maybe top 5) first rounder DeqUAN Bowers in practice each day. He is solid beyond solid. Lee has 40 yards THIS YEAR. he has been injured the entire season. that was what i meant.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
yep 2 catches for 45 yards total for this season.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Love Bills Fans...
You guys all sound like my Dad. After the Skins game, the Bills were on their way to the playoffs, people are sounding out wild card scenarios, the D is coming around, Nix hit it out of the park with Dareus, blah blah blah.
Today, the season is over, people are sounding out draft scenarios, the D is worse than last year, Dareus is barely average, blah blah blah.
Thankfully, there aren’t any knee jerk reactions around here.
Just for the record, I called 5-11 this year. And that Fitz is not the long-term answer at QB. And that Lee Evans would stink wherever he went, just like he’s done the last 2-3 years in BFLO. So I’m feeling like my expectations were about right – probably why I’m not surprised or enraged by the recent turn of events.
Anyone who thinks this team is worse that it was last year at this time is nuts. Anyone who thought they were a legitimate playoff contender this year is equally nuts. They are a high-effort, low-talent, no-depth team that relies on scheme, heart and surprise to win games. Once exposed (thru injuries and opposing game plans) the soft underbelly was revealed. And now everyone is taking advantage of it. As for dramatic scheme changes, Gailey is limited by his personnel. And as much as we all want to blame Nix, Jauron, Modrak, Ralph, et al…the roster can’t be overturned, or recreated, in a year or two. This took ten years to create. A year’s draft – without 15-20 picks or so – will not change it. Even with all those picks, it took Dallas 3 years to turn it around. Don’t expect anything less for the Bills.
by T McGee on Nov 20, 2011 8:27 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
Though 5-11? come on 6-10!
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 20, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
6-10, or 8-8
7-9 is all I won’t accept. Even 5-11, well, I’ll tell myself they got hit hard with injuries and that’ll be that. 7-9, though, pure mediocrity without even the accomplishment of getting out of the sub-.500 malaise we’ve been in for so long.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
They are a high-effort, low-talent, no-depth team that relies on scheme, heart and surprise to win games.
perfect. aaaaaaaaaand…. rec’d.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 22, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
With Jones Out...
Let’s sign TO. What is there to lose? He will give us a bit of a play maker to take pressure off of Stevie.
As bad as we need defensive players, I won’t be the least bit upset if we draft Justin Blackmon in the first round and Robert Griffin III in the second.
rather bring up aiken
and accept that Roosevelt is good enough.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
We just don't have depth yet
It was clear in the pre-season that our twos weren’t nearly as good as the opponents twos much less able to compete with their ones. I’m confident that Chix can continue to improve the depth and we’ll be okay. Fitz didn’t become bad overnite – our thin oline has been decimated
by Barman23 on Nov 20, 2011 8:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's more than that!
They have been man-handled, asses kicked.
Atitude
Where’s the fight, pride character!!
i didn't see quitters
i saw a battle torn group of young men who weren’t prepared to have their rear ends handed to them. that is on the coach. you of all people should be able to recognize that.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Reminds of Roberto Duran
The Bills say no mas, no mas!
At least 1 good thing will come out of today
A new Walking Dead episode on AMC in a few minutes.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 20, 2011 8:55 PM EST reply actions
I hear ya
Hard to understand since last year we fought like crazy despite being 0-8
by Barman23 on Nov 20, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Where is the pride as men? Where is the character?
booo Bob
i don’t really think it is your place to attack their character. this is the NFL (NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE) not HS football.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Given whats happened?
The way they have been beaten is what disturbs me. I’m not the only one questioning heart!
You are in the minority I bet on that one! Listen to WGR!
listen to a bunch of radio analysts from buffalo
in order to do what? see what i saw myself? If you wanna believe them, and that these guys are just quitters, go for it. no skin off my teeth. Personally, i saw an unprepared team that has basically never lined up together, get destroyed on a second away game against a division opponent desperate to maintain their high from winning. you don’t have to disagree.. but i am not about to call my team a bunch of whiny losers who just gave up because some chair jockeys didn’t like the result of major injuries obliterating a team that was already hard up for talent and a decent coaching staff.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
minority or not.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
They had no character today no heart no drive. Not much to really defend except brian moreman and corey mcyntire freddy
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by matthew62 on Nov 20, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
then i will defend
a recently returning Aaron Williams, a solid Byrd… a great play from troup and shepp, consistent play from barnett… no issues from pears or urbik or hairston (fitz let himself get pressured by not stepping forward) some production from Spiller… the list could go on, if we weren’t boo-hooing the whole time.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
27-11, 44-7, 35-8
Scores of the last three games!
right
as a coach, you might maybe recognize that you can learn from losses too. and that just because you lose, doesn’t mean everyone is useless. Ever lost a game Bob? are you therefore a quitting loser? that is just ignorant.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Where is the Character?
It’s all on the sidelines:
Merriman
Parish
Williams
Torbor
Wood
Easley
That’s why this team no longer has any fire in it’s belly!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
what?
potential steroid user
kick return guy who never has done anything as a WR except get hurt
PRO BOWLER
Fodder
PRO BOWLER
uh…. 4th round pick who has been hurt 2 years of his 2 year career?
i can’t “totally agree” with this. sure we have some injuries, but there are still leaders on this team. what about Andra davis, or George wilson, barnett, steve J… we aren’t devoid of guys to help us pull together.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
oh and i truly believe Shepp
will be a captain for years to come. Brian moorman… terrence… i mean, we have some vets, but they too are injury prone. we just need more guys who are durable, and a better staff to help lead them.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Injuries have a bigger impact on this team than many realize.
The injury gods just seem to love torturing us. Year after year after year.
A semi-decent pass rush would help alleviate this; anyone see someone that may help us in the 2012 draft?
I’m thinking somewhere in the 10-13th pick perhaps.
retro
Dead on
We had a c-roster to begin with but were winning with turnovers and great o-line play…people forget that this defense has been giving up huge chunks of yards all year…
We need a couple good drafts and Williams/Merriman back
by Barman23 on Nov 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey, I Think we had a B-plus roster!
But I agree on the merits, our roster really falls off after the starters/first three receivers.
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
how about
we say the heck with this spread and come out next yr playing power o? our o line is too big and strong for this not to be our identity. this of course would require us to acquire a real QB who can run a PRO-STYLE offense, not this collegiate crap Gailey is bringing in. unless your last name is rogers, brady or brees and you have real offensive masterminds calling the offensive plays, then you might as well not even think about running a spread offense. but even those guys can run a pro-style offense so i don’t get Gailey’s logic. how about we resign trent, add some solid pieces to the o line, and run the crap out of FredEx from the I-formation behind Co Mac?! All we have to do is dumb down the offense like the Jets do Sanchez to rebuild his confidence and give him a big tall physical wr who’s not afraid of contact like our weeny wr’s and then have him use chandler more in the passing game cause he’s just a diamond in the rough. getting back trent won’t cost us a first rounder either. that way we can use the majority fixing our defense. but ralph needs to take the jaws of life off his wallet to sign some big name RECENTLY PROVEN FA’s (no has been FA’s).
ok i agree with the power O idea
But bringing TRENT? are we talking about Edwards? Are you serious?
Fitzmagic
maybe Trent Reznor
with his 9 inch nails… but not at QB. seems like nails that long would get in the way of a clean release.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed with the confusion.
I mean, he was so abysmal that I think they’ve banned the number 5 for the rest of this decade to get the stench out. I remember shouting about how much better Fitz was than Edwards, and I still stand by that.
I’d still say it’s time to see if Fitzy can play pro-style, though.
"The soul collectors are going to be in full charge mode this Sunday" -- abayarde
by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason
Trent stunk was because he was coached up by jauron/schurmer(i think that was his name) and van pelt. he had very good bones, and you have to be honest, before the concussion and the fact that they let J Peters walk he was good. and had a ton of potential. that concussion and our horrific o line which was the cause of his beating made him gun shy. give trent a solid o line and some coaches who know what the heck their doing and we could have had a different outcome.
and as far as fitzy playing a pro-style offense...
you have your answer when you see him coming from under center and the play action. he looks lost. he’s a timing qb. if you disrupt that just a hair get ready cause he has no improv skills and he is about to do something terrible.
agree
he isn’t really a “gun slinger” either. he is basically a “poke and hope” qb. weak.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
im sorry but at this point, with our d playing as bad a last yr it makes me wonder if we should have drafted Gabbert instead and just coached him up…
and
that’s not to take anything away from dareus cause i think he will be a great player at some point. but we had a shot at a franchise qb a few times. look at dalton. you can’t miss on guys who have won their whole collegiate careers against solid opponents. dalton is a baller, even colt mccoy is coming around he just has no talent around him. ponder will be good as well and we have yet to see what the future holds for locker…
i supported drafting gabbert too
or even ponder.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
i thought for sure
gabbert was the pick. he was the next best qb in the draft. i actually thought gailey was eyeing ponder in the 2nd until the vikes reached for him in the first. which is why i said all last yr up to the draft that if you see a qb you want to be your franchise guy, forget what so called “draft experts” say about him being a reach in the first, etc. your franchise qb is the center piece of your team. once you get that position solidified THEN you can successfully build your team around him and his talents. a franchise qb is priceless. i just we had our chance a few times and didn’t pull the trigger cause we were so stuck on not getting newton. QB FIRST, everybody else comes later, imho.
i agree
but fact is, that as many QBs as there were… there weren’t many 6-5 340lb lineman in the draft. or in any draft. i think we grabbed the bigger need. and we definitely have a long way to go.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
i don’t see this regime panning out. the writing is all on the wall. nix is too old and has been living in the past too long. gailey is still in ga tech and ralph is still ralph. gailey is stubborn and won’t change his scheme even though he has gotten his butt handed to him 2wks in a row before today. and he STILL tried to run this stupid spread. it’s ridiculous. but what’s more ridiculous is the fact that george edwards still has a job! that’s just beyond me. especially when you hired a real nfl d coord in wannstedt to be your “LB Coach”/Asst HC.
can't say you are wrong.
might be too early to say that I agree though. Nix seems to have an eye for talent, and that is the best thing a GM can offer.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Compare rosters
Look at our roster compared to Cincinnati’s roster – they made a lot of solid picks in the last 4 drafts and its paying dividends. They are really stout on both the oline and dline and have added playmakers like AJ Green. I believe Fitz is better than Dalton but he needs a supporting cast
by Barman23 on Nov 20, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Okay, here's my prediction for next week.
I’m not going to be on the first-half thread of next game.
At all.
Unless Matt or Brian forgets to make the second half one, that is. This one felt … I saw the play-under-review bit at 28-6 and I just tapped out, went to play something, anything not football-related. It takes a hell of a lot to do that to me.
Now stranger things have happened, but next week feels like they should just throw Tyler out there and concede defeat. Keep Stevie, D-Nel, and Freddie on the side while you’re at it. They were pretty badly beat up to begin with, and … ugh. Take a makeshift bye, let the scrubs get murdered by Rex’s boys, IR any of them that’s needed afterwards, sign replacements and move on.
I still think we’re going to upset either Denver, Tennessee, or … New England. Not sure at all why for the last one, just a funny feeling.
"The soul collectors are going to be in full charge mode this Sunday" -- abayarde
i left the house once Pigpen went on the field.
i have never ever stopped watching a game. but i just wasn’t gonna watch our backup backups play while we were already destroyed.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, he did hit the field?
Lord, when Miami forces us into a “Play the seniors” moment…
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
dude.. half way through the fourth
we put in the REST of the backups. you know, the 4 that hadn’t already played today. it was ugly on each and every level. It is a game i would happily have never watched to begin with. other than the opening drive, we did little more than turn it over, or get injured.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
even moorman had a blocked punt
which last happened in 2002. i mean, if Rayner hadn’t hit the 55 yard field goal, we would have literally had a single productive offensive drive… (which featured fred getting 50+yards by himself BTW) and all in all, our defense basically stopped them like 3 times i think. mighta been more during the 4th, but like i said, i stopped watching. certainly didnt do any scoring.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well the D seems to have woken up... way late...
Considering there’s no way you go from 6 to 8 points in the NFL otherwise…
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by Orlando John on Nov 20, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because the line let a rusher come up the middle without being blocked. It was like the Red Sea parted for him. Hallmark of a badly coached team and a group of players who don’t care.
actually
it was brad smith disregarding his guy in order to avoid contact and get down the field. he shouldn’t have even been out there. he obviously hurt his ribs. i don’t get the “don’t care” sentiment. How do these guys go from under-appreciated overachievers to loser quitters in a month? this idea is disturbing.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
If he cared, he would discuss the situation with his linemates and they would find a way to work it out. Letting a rusher come up the gut untouched is never acceptable.
yeah
mistakes never happen. people are perfect. this must mean that they are quitters who don’t care. that is a perfectly reasonable assumption.
that is just plain ridiculous.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
i am sure anyone can make plays too.
so i guess that there is no offset. Smith is just a failure who makes too much money to suck… because he hasn’t helped sustain drives for us. Lots of 3rd QBs are helping their teams maintain drives…. from the bench.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 20, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Worse than losing . . .
is losing when you’re not even competitive. Nothing much to say that hasn’t been said already. They had what’s become the all too familiar “deer-in-the-headlights” look, right when Miami’s O hit the field.
Here’s hoping someone can step up and be the leader cause there hasn’t seemed to be ANY the last few weeks.
by RockyMTBillsFan on Nov 20, 2011 10:26 PM EST reply actions
We need defense
I understand the sniveling just if anyone thought Buffalo would really go from 4-12 to super overnight is plain stupid . DEFENSE…short field to work with and make QB’s look over their shoulder…we need a pass rush bad.
by ONEREALMAN on Nov 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Few Problems
1. I said it then, and I will say it now. There is no way FItz is worth 10 million a year. Three wins and we’re in panic mode to sign him. I can understand five or six million, but ten??? At least wait until the midway point to make a decision. Trust me, even if we were still winning, Fitz wasn’t going anywhere fast.
2. After a few games everyone’s defense was on to our game plan with those short slant passes. EVERYONE. If you pay our Q.B. that kind of money, he better be able to get the ball down field a few times.
3. You have the number one rusher in football and you seldom use him in the first half of games. All those three and outs put pressure on the defense.
4. From the first game of the season I have said, “This secondary is terrible. They can’t defend any pass in the middle.” They were constantly giving up passes even though they were winning. You can only rely on turnovers for so long. If you can’t defend the pass while your offense disappears, it is a recipe for disaster.
Just my thoughts.
They get the New York Jets – the team that started this embarrassing slide – next week.
And aren’t we excited!
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CJ Spiller can be a good player but that can only arrive via one method – he needs to be the type of player to get the ball beyond the line of scrimmage.
He’s absolutely terrible behind the line. He has no awareness for lanes or anticipating blocks. Get him past the line and it’s a different story. He gets people out of their shoes.
There was absolutely no reason why he should have been given the ball twice at the goalline. Why not use Corey McIntyre on a swing out?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions
Dont loose Heart Brian
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Nov 21, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions
You’re about three weeks too late for that. I was done after the Jets game. They got smacked in the teeth that day, and now those teeth are broken and they’re gumming what’s left of their schedule.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Believe me I understand
&
now those teeth are broken and they’re gumming what’s left of their schedule.was a great line!
But the Jets game was the 1st bad game of Chix & they were actually in it for 1/2. Cowboys game certainly was a nightmare revisited for many of us. Yesterday was a very strange game where chaos reigned; but look at the #’s & it was even except for 2 turnovers & of course 0 for 15 on 3rd/4th down.
In the end there are two things of importance for success- 1) Playoffs 2) Progress of the organization. The 2nd is actually happening- Keys vets are missing (perhaps the 3 most important) but its a chance for young players to make their bones(unfortunately these games are usually L’s)- did you notice #25 & 55? all over the ball. Add 99, 52(properly used) & 23 has shown flashes. looks like we are building a solid D, add in the healthy vets and yr 3 looks pretty good.
I think your issue is the wheels falling off the O, which should be expected to a degree after the incredible start & D’s usually catch up w/the O’s as the season wears on. They will regroup & find a medium. The getting beat up thing is a major cause for concern as its a building block of the new crew, but when your behind & unfocused its easier to take a beating. (Not to mention the head hunting the fish did yesterday)
"Alright Men, lets go out there, bust um in the chops & get somebody bloody. Keep working hard till you get it right. Take the W in battle & make the Bills Nation Proud." coach Karma420
by Blood, sweat & Win on Nov 21, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
The first bad game that dropped us to 5-3 was when you were done…. Sheesh. Tough to please.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 21, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Fitz, Smith and Chan
i know a lot of people are blaming Fitz for the last three games. I think it’s more than that i put the blame on him for the Bengals and Giants as well. Bad throws have lead to costly turnovers. He can’t make the throws that are needed to keep Defenses honest. As far as Brad Smith, we were excited because Gaily was portrayed as an offensive mastermind and with Smith he can dial up numerous gadget plays. I have yet to see anything that resembles that. Chan’s play calling is uninspired. His claim to fame this year is the screen which has been effective only because of Freddy. Even Malarky had a flea flicker every once and a while. The Jets set the blue print on how to stop this team and although the defenses we have played since then are not as good as the Jets they are playing the Bills the same way and succeeding.What is the definition of insanity????
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