Stevie, Stevie, Stevie
by Morningw00d on Nov 27, 2011 4:29 PM EST
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PrintI'm going to forgive Stevie's drop at the 20 with the game on the line. Even the best receivers drop balls from time to time due to lapses in concentration, thinking about the run after the catch, or out of fear of what an opposing DB is going to do to try to knock that ball out.
My issue with Stevie J this game (even though he was productive) was that stupid. selfish, childish, bordering on developmentally challenged celebration that received a 15 yard penalty and single-handedly gave the Jets 7 points going into the half. I truly believe that the organization should fine him for this. I don't care about his "Stevie-ness"; I love his abilities on the field but if we could turn him to into Lee Evans post-catch we'd be a much better football team (and probably 6-5 instead of 5-6).
Stevie, you owe us all an apology.
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It is a complete leap of logic to say that the celebration penalty “singlehandedly” gave the Jets 7 points. It contributed, yes, but several other things had to go wrong. As I read on Twitter, it is like waking up late and blaming that on getting a speeding ticket.
And yes, Stevie should know that going to the ground in celebration is a penalty — especially since he got the same flag last year after scoring on the Patriots in Foxboro.
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by crooked5 on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Between Stevie and our D it a toss up..
Both contributed to lose this game for us. Stevie missed some catchable balls at the end that may have resulted in a victory. But no way on 3rd and 11 shold the Jets keep that drive alive, our Defense made Sanchez look like a better QB than he is. Stevie is not a number one receiver and we need to pick one up NEXT YEAR.
Defend the Herd
Please
I appreciate the positive spin, but the reality is we didn’t have a hope of making the playoffs this year. This drop was far more costly (our playoff chances). Not to mention I will think about his botch job until next season. I’d take a playoff birth over a 1st round draft pick 24/7 364 (not counting the day of the actual draft).
who do you guys think he will blame this time for the drops?
hopefully himself, but i don’t see that happening for some reason
I think it’s tough to blame Johnson for much of anything. Yes, he had that one horrifying bad drop that would have given Buffalo a first and goal inside the 5-8 yard line. But I don’t remember him dropping anything else. He beat up on Revis like no WR has done in a long time and Buffalo isn’t even in the game if he doesn’t do that. Fitz straight up missed him wide open in the end zone in what was just as costly a play.
I think Stevie deserves very little criticism for the unsportsmanlike penalty. Dave Rayner can’t screw that kick off up. For a kicker to send that ball 16 yards is unexcusable. Johnson caused Buffalo to kick off from the 20 instead of the 35, which just isn’t a big deal. It was Rayner’s shank, Dareus’ personal foul penalty on the first play of the drive and the defense being unable to force a FG on 3rd and 10 (on the play that Burress caught the TD) that were all at least 10x more the cause of the TD than Johnson’s unsportsmanlike penalty.
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by kaisertown on Nov 27, 2011 5:06 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
agreed…how does Stevie Johnson get blamed for a ridiculous kickoff and then a stupid penalty on Dareus…Stevie must have told them to do that.
its not about blame
Stevie could have made a play for the win, hes one of our best players. With Fred Jackson hurt he is our best offensive player. He must be able to pick up the team and make a play to win when its there. The same goes for Fitz who missed Stevie wide open on the very next play. Teams that win have guys they go to to make a play when it matters – the Jets had Plax step up big time. These guys have to play like they are the guys we can lean on to win the game and that means making an easy catch and run or making the even decent throw to a wide receiver in the endzone.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
by poz on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but thats precisely the point
your great players are expected to make plays to win games because the weaker parts of a team can’t. You could very well argue the Jets defense let a team that couldnt break 10 points the last 3 games control the clock and drive at will. Your going to have weak parts of a team, your best guys are expected to go out and make a winning play to compensate. Ours didnt – the fact that the Bills dont have a great defense is even more reason why Stevie has to make that catch or Fitzpatrick has to make that throw. Thats what playmakers do.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
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Agree completely. I said it before this game that if Fitz wants to be “the guy” this is his chance. Our team MVP is out for the year, we have a lot of injuries and Fitz needs to rally the troops and show us that he can lead. Well he did show that somewhat to me today. He played pretty good but the fact remains that when the game was on the line he missed the play. He had the shot and missed it. Same with Stevie….this is 2 years in a row now that the big game winning/game breaking play was there and he missed it. If he wants to be paid like a #1 he needs to play like a #1 and he just isn’t making #1 WR type plays. I’m not too high on either of these guys right now. By no means am I saying we should get rid of them, but it’s a shame that neither could step up with the game on the line.
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thats it right there
fact remains that when the game was on the line he missed the play
Tom Brady is a winner more for the plays he makes when they are there late just as much for how he shreds defenses and sustains long drives. Both guys had windows to make a play to win, pretty standard plays too. Those are missed plays that should be made.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
Rec’d K-town.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Because Stevie is the only one pretending to be a superstar, and he clearly is not.
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by thefourwinds on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 27, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree k-town
Stevie’s penalty put the ST in an unorthodox situation. Just like a 3rd and 25, there aren’t many designed plays to kick off from the 20. I don’t know why Dehaven called for a squib kick from there but I have a very strong suspicion that it was a result of the poor field position.
Blame that on Rayner if you want but, in my opinion, if we had asked him to do what the special teams have practiced methodically all season long (kicking off from the standard 35 yard line) then we wouldn’t have given up the 7 before half.
I’m not a Stevie hater. I love the guy but I really can’t stand to watch people do dumb things no matter where it happens.
A kickoff is not an unorthodox situation…you kick it as far as you can.
by Fucilli5 on Nov 27, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not from the 20
It’s an unorthodox call, the squib kick. Doesn’t get called often.
I don’t think DeHaven called a squib. Rayner just missed his spot on the football. So, it’s the exact same situation. What is different about kicking off from the 20? Teams kicked off from the 30 last season. You kick the ball 65-70 yards down field, stay in your lanes and make a tackle. Johnson’s penalty should have cost this team 10ish yards and the Jets should have started at the 30-35 instead of the 20-25 and that should have been it.
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Chan Gailey said it was a squib kick in his post-game interview.
http://www.buffalobills.com/media-center/videos/Chan-Gailey-Postgame-Press-Conference/bdefc034-079e-4c9e-9bcb-20501113a976
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 27, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thank Goodness
It’s Official!
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by buffalobacker on Nov 28, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
He was near legendary against Revis for most of the game, and it was very surprising. That was no BS how he was able to consistently beat Revis. It was a fun performance to watch.
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by killascript on Nov 27, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Just, wow.
This is precisely why I am not on Rumblings as much as I once was. I simply can’t take this. I can understand the original post, in the heat of the moment being upset at what many see as a silly act by Steve Johnson. But to blame him for the TD that ensued after that penalty is crazy. And after Kaiser responds very eloquently as he almost always does and points to 3 things that are as he said “…at least 10x more the cause of the TD than Johnson’s unsportsmanlike penalty.” people still can’t see the simple logic of this. You still want to pin the blame of that touchdown on Johnson? Really?
I have come to realize that you simply can’t speak truth to some people. They see what they want to see and no matter how intelligent you respond to them they will never change their minds. I think even more frustrating then the Bills losing is the craziness that happens around here after a game. It has taken something that I enjoyed and perverted it into something unbearable. I’m out.
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by sireric on Nov 28, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It seems perhaps you want to see (here on Rumblings) what you [don’t] want to see as well.
I don’t know about blaming Johnson for the post-celebration TD. I do, however, still contend that Johnson acts as if he thinks he’s an elite superstar, wants to renegotiate his contract to elite levels, and consistently performs like he never spends any time practicing catching the ball. It’s pretty clear from his actions and his play that he simply thinks he is a far better player than he actually is.
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by thefourwinds on Nov 28, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you 100% sireric
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Stevie doesn’t deserve criticism for drawing an unnecessary, after the play penalty? Anyone who gets that sort of penalty deserves criticism, regardless of their resume. We don’t need to accept inexcusable penalties as a part of the package. He’s not a DB that is inevitably gonna get PI calls. He’s a wideout who should know you cant go to the ground after a TD. How is Dareus’ penalty MORE relevant than Stevies? At least Dareus was making a football play, not a theatrical play.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
EVERY Little Thing Counts!!!!!
In a game as close as this was, it was a selfish, stupid thing for Stevie to do. It gave the jets a 15 yard advantage, and that was added on to by other bonehead actions, but it came first. A franchise player always thinks “TEAM FIRST”. Stevie’s celebration relegates him to the “All About ME!” bonepile – a T.O. with less talent.
I'm hurting too, man.
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A. That celebration was hilarious
B. Stevie didn’t wiff on the ball and kick it 10 yards.
Kenny Powers is back!
by atlantalove on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
You’re right he didn’t wiff on the kick, his gaff was much worse.
by As Smart as I Look on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And stevie didn't hit someone helmet to helmet for another 15 yards.
Also, if people are ready to crucify Stevie for the drops, they need to be fair. IIRC David Nelson dropped an easy pass that would have converted for a 1st down on our 2nd to last drive of the game.
Nelson makes that and we’d probably keep on driving, or eat up more time. We drive and score, then there is no way the Jets have enough time to get the 2 scores they’d need to win. Not blaming Nelson, just saying he dropped a crucial pass like Stevie but Stevie is getting all the blame for the loss. His celebration was funny, went a little too far, but if it was a nail in the coffin it wasn’t the only one.
Also, I forgot who brought this up but it was a good point. Our D, while messing up, played solid for most of the game. Then, for no %$#&ing reason we break from out coverage scheme on 3rd and long and send in an all out blitz that was telegraphed from the beginning and converted by Plax on that ridiculous catch. Right at the worst time, our DC calls a boneheaded play and goes away from what has worked well the entire game. Jets convert and we go on to lose.
David Nelson drop. Steve Johnson drop. Fitz’s failure to lead Johnson in the endzone when he was wide open immediately after the drop. Fitz sailing a ball on the final play of the game. George Edwards being the screen door to our submarine. Da’Norris Searcy having a rookie moment on the wide open TD (understandable, but still costly). Rayner’s kick (whether a bad kick or a bad call by our ST coach).
These all played a big part. Let’s stop ostracizing a young WR when there is plenty of blame to go around.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s stop ostracizing a young WR when there is plenty of blame to go around
well put
by JustAskTheAxis on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
You know what, yes it braught a 15 yarder. But I don't care. I like it!
If this was 10 years ago not only would we be praising him for his creative celebrations but we’d all be having a good laugh about it. The NoFunLeague needs to develop a sense of humour!
And honestly, if he hadn’t done the plane thing he would have probably gotten away with it too.
The bad kick wasn’t Stevie’s fault, and the fact that the TEAM lost isn’t solely based on that 1 penalty. In fact there were 60 more penalty yards that we can put on the rest of the team as a whole. The BILLS lost this game, not Stevie.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 27, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
oh and the man is simply trying to put some long overdue entertainment for the Bills. I say keep on bringing it on!
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 27, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Making clutch catches would bring more entertainment.
BTW, welcome back CBF. Where ya been?
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by thefourwinds on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, I'm more disapointed with the clutch drop than the penalty.
And i was stuck with no home internet for 6 months, kept on reading at work, but wasn’t allowed to log in. Been back for a week or two, love being back too!
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 27, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wondered where you went myself.
I think I would go stark raving insane with no internet for 6 months, glad to see you made it through.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 29, 2011 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
he should know you cannot go to the ground on a celebration
that is why he got flagged….
he also just about admitted he planned the celebration ahead of time….
if you are gonna be a hotshot, know the hotshot rules of the game.
yeap was going to say that
Didn’t mind the celebration…..JUST DON’T GO TO THE GROUND!!!!! It’s not that hard to remember.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
He can celebrate however he wants; I don’t care if he angers every public interest group in the country as long as he doesn’t get a 15 yard penalty while doing it.
by Morningw00d on Nov 27, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
IMO
Why put yourself in question? Let your play make your name for you. Be Jerry Rice not T.O.
It appeared his antic was more important than the team. He as much as said so in the post game interview. Team leaders put the team first. Get the catch. Get the score. Get the win. Put your team in position to win, not in one requiring some compensating tactic.
The Raynor kick might have been influenced by the resulting field position. A low line drive might have thwarted a potentially large run back. Sure Raynor flubbed it, but, was it because he was trying an unordinary kick in doing so? We won’t know but it would all be moot, if none of it happened in the first place.
"I wish I could give you an explanation why we played effectively earlier in the year and why we're not playing effectively now," Really Chan? Really? That's reassuring.
The Raynor kick might have been influenced by the resulting field position.
Chan Gailey said it was a factor in his post-game interview.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Nov 27, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Why put yourself in question? Let your play make your name for you. Be Jerry Rice not T.O.
It appeared his antic was more important than the team. He as much as said so in the post game interview. Team leaders put the team first. Get the catch. Get the score. Get the win. Put your team in position to win, not in one requiring some compensating tactic.
This is exactly why David Nelson is and has been my favorite Bill for the last 2 seasons. I was upset that Fitzpatrick threw at Johnson every single time on that last drive and Johnson kept missing the ball (as well as the bad pass by Fitz). Throw the ball to your clutch players at least once, for crying out loud.
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by thefourwinds on Nov 28, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Everybody needs to lay off Dave Rayner
Yes, he knocked his squib kick straight into a Jet player. But the guy made a clutch 53 yard field goal today on the road, along with a 56 yard kick last week. The guy hasn’t been with us the whole season, but for the pick of kickers we had available, he was the right choice. The guy can kick.
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by John Paul King Baron on Nov 28, 2011 1:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Stevie!
Well here we go again trying to figiure out why we lost again. We do have some players but what we don’t have is top leavel players who are also leaders, who have the ability to think the the game and play it in the heat of the moment, guys that refuse to lose, and hate to lose more than they Love to cellibreate small victories like catching a 6 yard pass, tipping a pass, scoreing a TD when your on a 3 game losing streak, getting some national media attention because you beat a team you should beat, excetra, excetra, excetra. I know it’s entertainment so have fun and entertain, but this is also a bussiness and bussiness is serious so try being serious, and take care of bussiness. By the way I’m tired of all this D— danceing isn’t that what we have cherrleaders for, celibrate like a MAN, leave the dancing for the party, club, or just some where else BE A MAN, kick some butt and stop showing yours every chance you get, remember there are KIDS & WOMAN WACTHING, show some CLASS not your A@# . This also applies to the networks if you want to show dancing show the CHERRLEADERS! GO BILLS!
I know it’s entertainment so have fun and entertain, but this is also a bussiness and bussiness is serious so try being serious, and take care of bussiness.
I don’t even care if they do this stuff, as long as they actually do take care of business. Again, why Nelson is my favorite Bill.
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by thefourwinds on Nov 28, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Guaranteed that there would be hardly anybody complaining if Rayner didn’t shank that kickoff – this would be a total non-issue
by JustAskTheAxis on Nov 28, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions
Gailey said it was a called squib with an unlucky bounce.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I know it was a squib, but it was still a trainwreck – a typical squib still gets about 50-60 yards down the field, not 10
by JustAskTheAxis on Nov 28, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just upset that Stevie Johnson is who we knew he was.
Who here is honestly surprised to see that a pair of clutch throws were dropped by Stevie? It’s who he is. He’s not the guy you throw to with the game on the line. He drops those (See: Pittsburgh). The throw may not have been 100% perfect but it hit him in the hands, and everyone knows if it hits you in the hands, it needs to be yours. The celebration was fine, the botched kick hurt, and at the end of the day, Fitzy did all he could to try to come back and his receiving corps dropped the ball, literally.
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i wanted him in a bills uniform,,, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not one but 2 times to catch the winning ball
Even tho it was a little out of reach the second ball could of been cought in the end zone
the second one was totally uncatchable and 100% on Fitz
by JustAskTheAxis on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bad throw by Fitz
If Stevie caught and hung onto that ball it would have been one of the best catches of the year
Kenny Powers is back!
Merrill Hoge
Merrill Hoge just said, on NFL Live, that Chan should cut Stevie. A more level-headed Tim Hasselbeck called him out on that assinine suggestion and Trey Wingo asked Hoge what the difference between Suh’s incident and Stevie’s. Obviously Hoge ducked it and said it’s not what they were talking about.
Adam Schefter went on to say, jokingly, that there would be 31 waiver claims put in on Stevie if that were to happen.
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