Jets 28, Bills 24: Buffalo Can't Hold Late Lead, Fall To 5-6
by Brian Galliford on Nov 27, 2011 4:30 PM EST
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills showed signs of life - something they hadn't done since the end of October - but still lost a must-win game in the Meadowlands against the New York Jets, falling 28-24. The team had several shots to win at the end of the game, but each Ryan Fitzpatrick pass into the end zone fell incomplete. That includes a ball intended for Stevie Johnson that the receiver should've brought in.
Fitzpatrick was resurgent in picking apart a Jets defense that flummoxed him three weeks ago. He completed 26-of-39 passes for 264 yards with three touchdowns and no picks. He was, however, sacked three times - including twice by Aaron Maybin - and didn't get much help from the running game despite 34 rushing yards himself.
Buffalo's defense also played better in spots, but still allowed Mark Sanchez to throw for four touchdowns, including the game-winning strike to Santonio Holmes with less than five minutes remaining. That came after Dave Rayner kicked a 53-yard field goal to put the Bills up 24-21 with just under seven minutes left; once the Jets re-took the lead, Johnson's play and the last-second heaves followed.
The Bills have now lost four straight games after their 5-2 start, and now sit at 5-6. The 6-5 Jets have two games in hand. It now appears that the Bills are playing for third in the division, and that it'd take a catastrophic collapse from one of the three AFC North teams for the Bills' faint playoff hopes to remain.
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Stevie is not Clutch! :(
by SpiderWeb Sleeves on Nov 27, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
he shot himself in the foot on that catch...
by BuffaloFanFromCT on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i dont blame stevie
i still think fitzy is more to blame. one td catch should have been picked and his final throw sailed, if he gets that down its a td
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One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5.
by silverstreak3k on Nov 27, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Did you miss the perfect pass that hit Johnson right in the hands in full stride with a clear path to the endzone ?
Ron Paul 2012
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we had any shape or form of a pass rush, we would’ve blown the Jets out.
But we don’t. Very sad.
Can’t blame the offense because they put up enough points that should win you the game.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions
Yup… Even bad QBs can make the occasional play when they have all day, Sanchez proved that.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
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sanchez had alllllllllllllllll day. ridiculous
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To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
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by silverstreak3k on Nov 27, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
the crazy thing is
there were lots of plays where he had all day to throw, and still made a terrible pass.
If we had any kind of pass rush… sigh :(
I almost didn't watch this game
Glad I did, it was fun despite my desire to drink many whiskeys now.
Fitz looks back to himself, and our receivers all looked good today. We had 0 help from our running game, including Reggie Bush 2.0, so I am even more shocked at our passing efficiency.
Our defense wasn’t as bad as it has been in the past, but it still gave up 4 TDs and has ZERO pass rush. Sanchez was comfortable in the pocket all day.
I wish CJ was Reggie Bush 2.0
He still wouldn’t be any good but he’d be better.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 27, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think C.J. didnt play that bad.
He had a couple of negative yardage plays that could have been no gains.
But I remeber countless times on like 2nd and 3 that CJ converted. Certainly no huge gains, and not Fred Jackson, but I thought he was key to converting some 3rd downs, and showed promise.
what reason he isn't?
bush is in like, his 5th season. even on a team stacked with talent, Bush never amounted to much, and is only as good as he is now, because he has had tons of time, and is actually being treated as a feature back. CJ has even more upside than Bush, as he has never even been tapped really.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
He put up 1300 yards from scrimmage his rookie season with 8 TDs.
He put up 1000 yards from scrimmage with 6 TDs the next.
Spiller had 450 last year with a TD and is on pace for 375 yards this year. Bush is on pace for 1200 this year.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Bush also didn't have Fred Jackson in front of him
and had a much better O-line.
But its silly to arbitrarily compare two running backs.
I think
The Jets were doing a lot of overloads, 8 man boxes… not the whole story but sure doesn’t help.
As deflating as it is, I think I’d much rather lose this way than the way we have lost the past few weeks.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
Word.
Seriously, remember when we were saying ’I’d rather we were blown out than this’ last year? I think the final game of the season proved that statement wrong anyway, but after losing to Miami as badly as we did… yeah. We made a game out of it.
"The soul collectors are going to be in full charge mode this Sunday" -- abayarde
by Orlando John on Nov 28, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
BTW
Stevie OWNED Revis all day. 8 rec for 75 yards, 1 TD. He just sucks at being clutch. Put the game winner in Nelson or Chandler’s hands.
by Wien on Nov 27, 2011 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nelson or Chandler probably dont make the moves to be that wide open. But still I feel bad how unclutch his is.
I’m a little concerned that Stevie has a little too much of a primadonna receiver thing going on and loses concentration when we need him most. I hope he’s not thinking about how he’s going to celebrate when he sees the ball floating to him in those big situations.
With that said, he seems to be the only receiver in the league who has figured out Revis.
I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse
Its not so much that he figured out Revis, than the fact that he plays so weird.
Ive never seen a receiver do the shimy shake stuff that Stevie does. Its very unique.
can't say never.... just that the ones who do, don't get much for results out of it
and he doesn’t seem to lose his mark when getting into his “juke n jive” mode. that is what he did really really well out there.
“Once the quarterback has the ball, he fakes to the left. No. He fakes to the right. He doesn’t fake…. He thinks about faking. He pretends to fake. I don’t know where I am.”
I can’t breathe.
r, this room is getting smaller.
I have to sit down.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
oops.
poor editing on my part. my bad.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, all the head faking and juking he does.
I thought Stevie was getting some decent separation in the home game against the Jets but Fitz wasn’t throwing at him. Stevie and Fitz must have studied the film from that game and seen what needed to be done to attack Revis.
It will be interesting to see Stevie’s matchup with Revis next time.
I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse
Stevie is an outside version of Welker, not with speed but in terms of play underneath and well in space. He doesn’t give Revis an opportunity to get position on him for too long.
He just stinks at the catches the great ones make. But he has outplayed his draft status.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
He just stinks at the catches the great ones make. But he has outplayed his draft status.
He really needs to work on catching balls and snatching them out of the air with his hands instead of waiting for the ball to hit him in the hands.
He has way too many drops, he should have taken the contract the Bills offered him.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Stevie is better than both of them
hes got to be the man to make the play and he didnt, its really something he has to do.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
Thats a tough game to lose...
Like many Bills teams from the past…lots of heart, not enough talent. Its a shame to see another season end in november…but it is what it is.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 27, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed, well said.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Why So Serious?
The Bills showed heart after weeks of crappy performances. They played well enough to win and should have, but they didn’t close. We got to watch an entertaining game for 60 minutes. With all the injuries, the playoffs were certainly not in the cards. But we will be a spoiier. And will be getting a better draft choices as a result. No sure there is much to cry about.
Go big or go home.
by jackkemp15 on Nov 27, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
im not so sure
the backups showed they could beat the Jets, the rest of the schedule would have been winnable playing like that, only good team left is the Patriots.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
You might have missed the silver lining....
maybe some of the backups are better than the starters??
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Brad Smith should get more snaps at receiver as the number 2 guy in my opinion
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
for the rest of this year, yes.... but hopefully not long term
I’m still not sure why we signed him
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Im still not sure why we traded Lee Evans
unless he demanded it.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
LOL....don't get me started with that ;-)
maybe we will draft someone good with that pick.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
I swear I heard mumblings about Evans wanting out.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chris brown said as much, straight-up
and I don’t think that’s the kind of thing Chris Brown would say without a reason.
i dont understand this train of thought
it was a signing. Nothing was lost, and the guy’s just consistently gotten 3rd down conversions for us when his number’s called.
the rest of the schedule would have been winnable playing like that, only good team left is the Patriots.
I would say Denver is rounding into a good team, plus Tebow seems to find a knack to do just enough to win. I will be surprised if we beat them.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Breaking News!!!
George Edwards still sucks.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
i thought he called a much better game
that blitz on the final 3rd and 10 was good, lucky floater gets caught one handed…
Fitzmagic
yea he is not an OLB
we clearly need 2 good OLBs, one to start and one to be a pass rusher to rotate with kelsay. Upshaw and a pass rushing OLB
Fitzmagic
Yup.
I don’t think any if the Bills can contain! And apparently we couldn’t contain Maybin either. And Fitz can’t audible… OK, done griping. Good to see us compete again, and an entertaining game. We are still beating expectations on the year, and still rebuilding. We should entertain the rest of the year as well, so looking forward to that and another offseason before we can really be in the hunt.
by buffaloparks on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the whole team played well, so I’ll blame Plaxico Burress for the Bills loss. No you know what, I blame the US legal system for letting him out so soon.
by JJS on Nov 27, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Shooting yourself in the leg is more dangerous to society
than robbing millions of poor people of millions (collectively).
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
2 Years for shooting yourself is alright in my book.
What is more ridiculous is how Stalworth only got a month for driving drunk and killing somebody.
I'm THE NFL
Hey kids its ok to break the law and do what ever u want but don’t yell at people
by justin1 on Nov 27, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
or use the ball as a prop in a celebration :)
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
do some research
the stallworth case isn’t as cut and dried as all that.
Ya IIRC the guy was jaywalking on a 40mph highway (and i can’t remember but he might have had alcohol in his system too, but not sure on that point).
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
The guy he hit was walking in an illegal place, sure.
Doesnt stop the fact that Donte was drunk, and that he probably wouldnt have hit him if he wasnt drunk.
Fitz
At least has course-corrected. He played a nice game against a good defense. Defense is still in absolute free-fall.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
I think getting a proper #1 WR is a very high priority. Someone that can demand respect out of DBs will make everyone’s life easier.
…and then spend the rest of the draft on defense again.
Stevie killed Revis all day.
Stevie makes that one catch, we probably win.
We have a decent pass rush all game, we easily win.
Dont think a #1 receiver is the top problem.
by Xaviermw on Nov 27, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
doesn't make his point invalid
just means that we have more than one need.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I thought
the receivers played well today.
Or at least the receivers we have left.
I dont think its that big a problem.
and i respect your view
and agree.. they were ok. but we seem to have proven consistently that they just aren’t quite good enough. If we are going to abandon the run for the pass week after week, and we are going to accept our defense can’t defend… then… we need a better WR or two who can allow us to maintain possession, and most importantly, have a 25 yard radius and a 5 foot vertical to make up for Fitz’s inaccuracy. after being 6 for 8, he ended up.. what? 26 for 39? i mean… we throw A LOT. we need at least 1 WR who was picked before the 7th round. It can’t possibly hurt.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree
we got away from running, practically before it started. we didn’t run with the lead. we didn’t run on run downs. we got stopped passing as well as running. we put everything on Fitz, week in and week out, and sometimes he isn’t enough alone. Some day… we will try playing a TEAM game, and recognize that we have to run. HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RUN. there is no avoiding this, period. and we have shown to be as weak at running, as Tebow is at passing. I don’t see why teams wouldn’t come after us every single play. we hand aaron maybin 2 sacks, because we don’t know to check out of a 9 man front? i mean.. come on. we can’t say the defense is the reason WRs drop balls, or Fitz misses throws, or gets sacked when the clean pocket is a step away from him.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
i actually disagree
even though we had no run blocking we stuck with the run more than previous weeks, while i felt we should have done a little wildcat to switch it up. I felt the offensive play call was great. and the defensive play call. Really a couple dropped balls, a couple let downs by the d with 3rd and long, and a couple dumb penalties. Overall all though a good game.
Fitzmagic
idk
45 pass attempts when you include fitz’s 5 runs. and 23 rushes. 2 to 1 is kinda exactly pass heavy. not balanced, for sure. and we weren’t down by 3 tds or anything. so really, there is no excuse to not keep trying especially when you need to work Spiller and White (and apparently Choice already- colossally dumb) into the offense, NOW since they have had no reps all year (you know, when we barely ran Fred to begin with….)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
yea ik
But the pass was much more effective than the run. So do what works. 23 rushes is enough to keep a defense honest. But we were avg less than 3 yards rushing, no blocking. Choices plays were not his fault, fitz should’ve audibled to a quick pass there were 9 guys in the box.
Fitzmagic
it didn't work.
we lost. choices plays were Chan’s fault. dude has been on the team for 3 days. when do (should) teams play the guy who doesn’t know the playbook? never. and exactly… fitz needs to audible TO runs… or Chan needs to start calling them to begin with. maybe with more than 5 blockers.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point
About Fitz not checking out of those run plays to Choice when the jets had 9 guys in the box. I could see that a mile away and was screaming at the screen saying “KILL, KILL!!!” I expect more out of Fitz right there. But why run the ball more than we did when we weren’t successful at t to begin with? We did enough run plays to keep the defense guessing and I actually loved the play action today. It was much more successful than weeks past. We’re almost there. If we had a serious pass rush you would clearly see a difference. However we are missing the heck out of Kyle williams cause we gave up too many yards on the ground today also. I think what also hurt us were the dropped INT’s. If Flo missed the first one, mckelvin dropped one and so did Rogers. Changing subjects, on that play where plax made that crazy one handed catch I was looking at the man coverage and was hoping we would not have blitzed there. We had more than enough opportunities to put this game out of reach, we just didn’t come through on those timely plays.
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 6:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
play action was more successful
because we never run it usually. probably because they won’t buy the fact we are running, because even with a pro bowl producing top 5 running back, we haven’t run the ball consistently. we haven’t even tried consistently. IDK how McKelvin dropped a interception when he wasn’t on the field. I assume you are thinking of Rogers (near the endzone prior to Keller TD?) and I forgive the rookie his drop- in fact, i see it as a great deflection, that he could have caught.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
agree overall a good game
agree play calling wasn’t terrible. very few blitzes i don’t agree with. we had them pretty held in check in the second, especially with the field position. we should have been able to keep him from a career day, when they are talking about the backup getting reps, and his play costing them games.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
which i clearly agree with
but, still I personally see the offense as inherently independent the defense. as in, improving the defense doesn’t necessarily mean that the offense improves. they can, but improving the personnel can do it also.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
while I sort of agree
about needing another WR, ours played surprisingly well today. you have to give them credit for stepping up. stevie owned revis all day, except that wide open pass that probably would have one us the game. the blame IMHO has to go to #1 our lack of a pass rush; 2 our O line for getting absolutely no push whatsoever to have any resemblance of a run game today. I thought spiller did well considering the lack of holes he had. i actually thought he was a few carries away from breaking one. spiller will do well. he proved to me at least that he can run in between the tackles. we just need more push. FredEx wouldn’t have run that much better today. So, as far as the draft we NEED a pass rushing OLB BEAST in the 1st rd no doubt!! then, depending on if we run more 3-4 or 4-3 i say we need a DE also. Williams and Rogers stepped up big time for us! I love having McKelvin just return punts. he’s a huge liability playing corner. if we had a pass rush we would have KILLED the jets today! I dont think ive seen revis get owned like he did today! which was quite impressive to me!
I think Fred would have dominated today.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just like he did when last we met?
i can’t say i agree. probably would have had 9 carries. probably only gave CJ 19 because all he needed was one TD rush or a big carry, and a large portion of the fan base might have been less upset, and more supportive. otherwise… i think we see the same thing… They key up on the run, and put it on Fitz to win, and then who knows. maybe he throws 3 INTs to his no name WRs. Or maybe he lights it up like you think, or Fred delivers. Just no way of knowing. previous failure is somewhat indicative of future failure though. should all teh other factors remain consistent. not that we have had any consistency any way, in any form, all year.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
With the way Fitz and our receivers played
We should have never been in that kind of position.
Our defense put us in a bad spot once again.
by Wien on Nov 27, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no question the defense is weak
but that is unrelated. I am not saying that fitz OR the WRs played poorly… but their “good” play wasn’t good enough. good offenses can overcome. we didn’t. their defense is good, but we showed that maybe we could have beat them, if not for some lack of running, and key drops. both of which have hindered us half the season. A better WR or two, as well as maybe a couple more NON journeymen OLineman might be an upgrade, all i am saying.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
You gotta decide on what the more reasonable “ask” is. The more reasonable ask to me isnt that the offense play perfect (no drops etc.). In this game the more reasonable ask is for a D to hold a team to less than 24 points. Lots of teams have successfully done that to the jets. Not a lot of offenses score more than 24 on them though. Given the jets average opponent, our offense did more than its job and the defense did less.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
agree
especially THIS team. The Jets aren’t superstars, and Sanchez’s career day was the difference for sure. Had we been able to generate pressure, this probably wouldn’t be the case. I won’t and can’t argue this point.
However… their poor offense, just outplayed the offense you are saying didn’t do too bad. I realize the Jets’ D is better than ours as well… but our Offense gets NO FREE PASSES HERE; we also just lost to the Miami Dolphins defense. Our offensive system, philosophy, personnel, and even coaching are certainly all able to be upgraded. No argument about our Defense can change that in my eyes.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Given the jets average opponent, our offense did more than its job and the defense did less.
I’m ready to fire Edwards the day the season ends and install the mustache as DC and return to the 4-3 and get a top notch pass rushing RDE next draft. Too bad I don’t get to make these decisions.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
this has been my view too
except that it gets harder to find true pass rushers, the longer we wait, and we might be able to still land a WR in the 2nd or 3rd who is still an upgrade. I like our guys, but given their selection (or non selection) position… it is easy to believe that we can get an upgrade almost anywhere in the draft.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WR in the draft
How about Floyd from Notre Dame? Who thinks he’ll be available in the 2nd?
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 7:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
not a chance in hell he makes it to the 2nd round
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by NordicBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
better chance of Floyd falling to the 2nd round :-)
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nope.
i agree w Joe P. he might be there if we pick by 15 or so.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Good game
Glad to see us playing like we did earlier in the season. Let’s hope we continue to play like this for the rest of the season.
Inject some more talent and experience onto the D through the draft and FA, particularly the pass rush, and we could hang with most teams on a regular basis.
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by Let's Go Buffalo (UK) on Nov 27, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions
3 comments
1) Great game plan by the offensive staff, lots of max protect to account for the Jets blitzes.
2) Defense played better than usual, but I still think the defensive coaching staff is a bit over it’s head
3) I think we have the slowest defense in the NFL as far as team speed goes
We all thought we were going to be blown out
they played great, we know they dont have the talent yet. We need better OLBs and our CBs Rogers and Williams are developing.
We werent going to make the playoffs anyway so why be upset. The Jets arent going to either. Sanchez shows he can only hit wide open receivers, he is nothing better than average. With this win the Jets have secured a worse draft pick than us, nothing more.
Although I am disappointed because I dislike the Jets and Maybin more than any team or player in the NFL. But I know that the Bills will be better than the Jets in 2012.
Fitzmagic
Unfortunately, this roster is just not talented whatsoever. They played hard today, but frankly, the offensive line penalties, drops by their receivers, and absence of even a sniff of a pass rush predictably came to a head after 60 minutes. I see very little progress with this roster from the 2008-09 bums and possibly, that group had more going for them overall. This franchise continues to flounder and better days are not around the corner from what I can see. Very sad.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
?
seriously? we almost beat a very talented, well coached team. We were a catch away. We don’t have a talented enough defense yet. But they showed that the guys we do have can compete. The young players (Williams, Searcy, rogers, Shep) played well, even spiller showed he can play with very little blocking. They just need to develop. Unfortunately one of our better games we kill ourselves with penalties (which we havent all year). All in all a great game by a team that will be turning the corner soon.
Fitzmagic
rec'd
We are almost there guys, and gals. Just watch. Give us a serious pass rush and some quality depth and we are there.
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 7:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why were they running Spiller up the middle a lot? Does Chan know that is a darren sporles type player not a A-Train Anthony Thomas type of player?
More importantly
Did anyone notice that we really didnt have a good matchup between Pouha and Urbik. Runs up the middle Pouha would shed and destroy at will.
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by greysquirrel on Nov 27, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I guess that makes four straight weeks where I can’t watch any sports media coverage. I haven’t even watched a second of ESPN in about a month.
once you get past
the Dave Rayner flub, the Dareus helmet to helmet, the relentless penalties on the offensive line, multiple dropped interceptions, Stevie failing in crunch time on a wide open toss, and Fitzpatrick inexcusably missing the mark with a man open to win the game there was a lot of good stuff.
Defense played stout and secondary was better than usual. CJ Spiller is an NFL player and could potentially give this team enough dimensions to be a focal point, Stevie Johnson owned Darelle Revis, Scott Chandler is as reliable as they come, Kraig Urbik can snap the ball properly, Fitzpatrick was moving the chains, and Chan Gailey successfully altered his offense throwing in play actions and taking shots down the field.
Mistakes are disturbingly crushing and frequent but the team played well enough to have dominated without them. Im not sure how this team could have made that many errors in such a big game.
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by poz on Nov 27, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Spiller
even though his yards per rush wasnt great, played well. He was good in pass protection, when he had some blocking he ran for good gains. He made some plays in the passing game. He pushed Maybin away after his late hit on fitz. i think he is the real deal.
Fitzmagic
even keeled
he did some good, some bad, with each individual responsibility. will benefit greatly from reps.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
I think his biggest problem is not realizing a dead play, and trying to do to much.
But he definitely showed a little explosion today, and it was good the see that we could rely on him to pick up things like 2nd and 3 a bunch today.
idk... he got stuffed a bunch
and didn’t fumble, or try to do too much. so i don’t agree on recognition issues.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Alot of it is on the O-line
but like there were a couple -2 yard rushs that could have been 0-1 yard rushs.
But its nitpicking. Sorry.
no need to apologize
i am just saying that he didn’t try to make something happen (and hurt us) when it was a “dead” play.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of Maybin
I know so many around here desperately want it to be true that his resurgence with the Jets is just “lucky” after all the fun declaring him the worst player in NFL history but its truly disappointing that our team couldnt find a way to utilize him when we cant generate a pass rush to save a game, ever.
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by poz on Nov 27, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yea he has the speed
but he is such a liability against the run.. He also seems to have an attitude about him that bothers me a lot. Every time he makes a decent play he acts like he is the best player on earth..
Fitzmagic
I started to get mad at him for that this game
but then realized hes totally entitled to be getting jacked up and in our face on every play. We did cut him without really giving him that many reps and he made 2 big plays against us.
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yea ik
i still don’t think he is good. Watching him play he is very fast, but he beats TEs and RBs for sacks rarely can he beat a decent OT, although he had one against pears
Fitzmagic
I lay that on defensive coaches.
Why couldn’t they get Maybin matched up on TEs and RBs instead of OTs in passing situations?
Answer : Bad Scheming.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
i don't agree
he is too much a “superstar” not enough a football player. he is getting put into ideal situations, and we did NOTHING to neutralize him on the literal handful of plays he “made”. We could have simply checked to a run, and put him on his ass, but we don’t know how to play power football, or run, or even AUDIBLE for that matter apparently. additionally, a single step to his right and he avoids one of those blatant speed rushes, and all in all.. Maybin still sucks. I was all for his “upside” and “potential” but really, he is a safety playing pass rusher, and if not for all the other talent all around him on the field, he couldn’t even do that. by the time he would have worked out for us, we would be in another rebuild, again.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
oops.
shoulda said “one step to the right and FITZ avoids….” or even i could have said… if fitz didn’t think the pocket will form around him play in and play out, and that he isn’t pretending to be a statue up to the point of scrambling, that he had a clear and clean pocket OVER AND OVER and simply stood there in the pressure for no reason. made plays, sure. but left plays on the field as well.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
right?
nope. Fitz would rather take a 5 step drop and assume Pears is gonna out run Maybin, and then just stand there and see if he is right. I mean, that is a poor hypothesis to begin with, need to probably make some adjustments to your logic. Boo on that.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
No Doubt.
We should have run at Maybin everytime he was on the field regardless of down and distance.
Chan is too afraid to run on 3rd and long, yet the Jets will do it and make it because the D isn’t expecting it.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
its truly disappointing that our team couldnt find a way to utilize him
Another first rounder than we couldn’t seem to use properly. Is McKelvin next on the list?
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Spiller will join him. At some point it has to be on the staff with these poor draft results. All these failures have had immense talent but it never shows in Buffalo.
Instead the driftwood washes on shore and puts holes those yachts being roped in.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is McKelvin next on the list?
McKelvin has been obviousl been coached and ingrained in him to play in a zone. That’s why he is so bad at snapping his head back to look for the ball at the correct time when he is man to man, he has tight coverage, but just can’t find the ball in time.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree completely...
The mistakes were annoying, but overall this team played like it wanted to win, and didn’t lay down and die. I feel like I like Ryan running this offense for the next three or four years… now the defense needs, sing it with me, a pass rushing outside linebacker that stays healthy, and depth — which we really were seeing today, actually, we just need more — before we can contend.
I take that back. We can contend now. We just can’t win it all yet.
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by Orlando John on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
Irony
Although his stats may look good on paper, Sanchez played horribly yet led the game-winning drive.
Meanwhile, Stevie carried the Bills receiving core all day but dropped a sure game-winner.
I blame the Jets recieving corp, they were just better than our rookie corners
and Drayton Florence Nightingale of course.
Everybody drops one every once in a while. He did a good job all day, you can’t catch them all. The true reason for the loss was that flubbed kickoff. Cost us 7 points, and the game. It should have been 14-7 at the half, or 14-10 at worst.
I was at the game and wondering about that kick. So it was a mistake? That really hurt. Surprised there aren’t more comments about that.
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I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse
a lot of plays cost us the game
I think the reason why it gets less comments is that Rayner is a guy off the street brought in mid-season. Fitz’s off target throw came from a guy who just got a big time deal and a drop came from a guy who we traded Lee Evans away to trust as the man in the passing game.
More is expected of Fitz and Stevie. But yes, Rayner’s mistake was easily the biggest.
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Plus there was an entire half left to play.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
right room for error was minimal for Fitz and Stevie at that point
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Despite what the NHL thinks
The Sabres’ season starts now
by tpsabres on Nov 27, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
If they cut the season in half I might actually like the sport
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just start seriously watching hockey after the football ends. But I do catch some games here and there during football season during the week.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
This team to a T
This “playoff” game (win and stay hot in the race, lose and the chances become ~0) showed the bills team as well all have been describing:
1) pass rush was a MAJOR concern going into the season, during the good streak in season, during the bad streak, and throughout this game. If there was pressure, it was one interior DL-man who flashed in front of Sanchez’s face and promptly was sidestepped.
2) who’s the #2 big play passing target? Fans asked this question after the Evans trade and this glaring hole in the offense was exploited the last couple weeks. Never was this more clearly seen than during the last drive, when the Bills were desperate for a big 1-on-1 winner and only had Stevie. Note the question isn’t who’s the #2 WR, because a big time pass catching TE would do the trick as well.
by freddy five fingers jacks on Nov 27, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions
Did you notice that with 8 seconds left the camera was on Chandler and Fitz. Chandler asked him something, Fitz answered, and Chandler rolled his eyes. Obviously he wanted to know if he was going to get the throw, and Fitz told him no. Sure enough, it went to Nelson, incomplete, then Johnson. Game over…
"Systems don't win, players do." - Marv Levy
Obviously?
What’s obvious about an eye roll? The conversation could have been a lot of things.
the squibed kick
Lost that game.
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-Steve Tasker-
by billsoferie on Nov 27, 2011 5:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The squib kick, if planned was caused by By Johnson’s ignorance after the TD. Act like a professional!
Don’t risk costing your team 15 crucial yards simply for the sake of drawing attention to yourself. This possibility has been brought up with Johnson before and today it cost the team and was TOTALLY unnecessary. Drops happen, hurting your team because you think you are colorful or funny shouldn’t.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I’m not disputing that. I’m disputing the connection to the squib kick.
I thought the celebration was great until he hit the ground. He should have known better.
Not necessarily. Who knows how the kickoff is approached from the 35 yard line rather than the 20? He may have been attempting a popup kick with hang time, something he is probably not used to attempting. Johnson’s act isn’t funny and today it cost the team. It was bound to happen and it should have stopped awhile ago.
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fun?
its still a game
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by poz on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree he should have been smarter under the current rules system
but I think the NFL should change its celebration rules.
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My thoughts exactly.
Bad decision by Stevie to fall down under these rules.
But the rules are flawed and stupid.
Im agreeing with less and less of the rules
put into place since Goodell took over to be honest
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you can understand
wanting to clean up the appearance of the players though, as they had a TON of negative publicity during the lockout. many view these guys as little more than convicts waiting to happen, or overpaid prima donna’s or a buncha whiners who went on strike to get paid more, even though they are consistently reported on as being criminals.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
no I agree
but I dont like the direction of the league in terms of “safety”. Im not buying the protections for QBs, the lack of physicality DBs can use with WRs, the new kickoff rules, the fines for leading with the helmet that are impossible to enforce or make calls on properly.
I get wanting to make the game safer but at some point you have to accept the nature of a physical game for what it is. I also dont like changing rules to make offenses score more.
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understandable
but what would your stance be… if one of the players that you love to root for- cracked his skull and died on the field? or ended up paralyzed or in a coma? these rules are necessary at this point. players can adjust, and the game can have integrity still. don’t know how many games we played without helmets in the backyard, but we knew better than to attack their head. just comes down to good technique, and operating in the rules as they are written.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
agree
No Fun League
WAYYYY too uptight.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
ummmm
for their job… for hundreds of thousands, and even millions of dollars. don’t mistake these guys for lower level kids playing games… these guys are entertainers, who get paid a lot. i loved the celebration. i personally think he is funny, and i am a huge fan. but that said… he fails to recognize the possibility of a negative… in that what he chooses to do can be construed as taunting. i don’t see how that is even in question, when he was penalized, and may be fined.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree with that sentiment, I see it as 100% irrelevant.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
yea thats fair enough, in this context it doesnt matter
If hes going to buck the rules it shouldnt be taunting the team that started our fall out of contention in the middle of the game.
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The fact that it wasnt without merit.
Football is entertainment.
Should he have done so much to get the penalty? No.
But its not like he went into the celebration thinking he was going to get a penalty. And it was an entertaining idea.
on this line of thought though, you highlight a problem
he didn’t go into the celebration thinking he was going to get a penalty….
and yet, he has consistently drawn penalties.
at some point, celebrating a win, should matter more than a play. not that i feel he COST them the game (even if he does)… but there’s no Mentum like MOMENTUM… and we lost some there.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
well
one outta 5 TDs this year he has a penalty.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
2 excessive celebration penalties in his career.
Hardly
consistently drawn penalties.
take it how you like. if he had celebrated EVERY SINGLE TD (which he hasn’t had a “celebration” designed for each) then i could agree. but given that i can think of a handful of celebrations, and at least 2 penalties… then i suppose consistently he gets penalties, in the same way he consistently drops the ball when open.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to disagree. I don’t get this mentality even in the slightest. I see NO pluses from Johnson’s garbage and obviously, saw a tangible minus today. Common ground is an impossibility here.
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by Port Royal on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get what your saying. Do I like the celebration now that it hurt the team with the penalty? No. But I love the idea of the celebration and it contributes to making football entertaining.
does the catch become a better play
indicative of the celebration dance? it is a team sport.. and if we know it is illegal… and there is that chance, why take the risk and cost your team? be a pro. rule sucks, but so do plenty of them… doesn’t mean you go do that crap anyway.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
He should have known falling to the ground was illegal.
And he should have not fallen to the ground.
he should have not attempted to insult the other team with BOTH of his TWO celebrations on a single TD… and then drawn a penalty. he could have gone to the sideline and celebrated with his team, like a teammate, and a professional.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well I remember last game, when the kicking teams had to wait to kick the extra point while Sanchez was doing the airplane thing all the way to midfield, so he must have thought that was allowed.
Professionalism? Hes in the middle of playing a game. You dont have to be “professional” when you are catching a ball and running.
whatever man
he isn’t a professional then. he doesn’t get paid. he didn’t commit a penalty. i am sure he agrees too. oh wait, you are arguing a point that even the player agrees against. Sanchez didn’t hold up the game, or he would have gotten a delay of game penalty. they were likely still reviewing the play. and if i were gonna complain about the plays that should have been penalized by the Jets, I don’t need to look back a week.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
He regrets the penalty
not the sentiment.
But I get what your saying.
We are arguing silly stuff here now, sorry.
agree
this isn’t worth our time. i am all for fun though man. i just don’t agree when it hurts the team, and he needs to recognize. Plenty of ways to celebrate that aren’t penalties.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. You cannot build a winning team around guys who need such immature, selfish, gratification.
His fun hurt the other 45 guys. If I had an employee who had fun starting fires in the warehouse, I would fire him.
by Buffbob on Nov 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you mean
even if your job is a fun one, you can’t break rules? monumental.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
sorry
but this speaks to immaturity. just doing what you want, without considering consequences, is not how an adult acts, especially when related to their livelihood.
I jaywalk too. but if i get run over, out of the crosswalk, i am to blame.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it my comment does sound a little ridiculous. Sorry.
But does it make you wrong for jaywalking?
well it is against the law
so by technicality, sure. the law protects all pedestrians… but at the same time… I surely am not without fault, for ignoring a simple rule. kinda the point i was making w steve. Sure the rule may be dumb… but that doesn’t make it any less of a rule.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
it wasn't planned
dude just blew the kickoff.
i dont see how you can put that on steve
There was two min. Left. Kick the ball and get out of the half with the lead .
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by billsoferie on Nov 27, 2011 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn’t it better to kickoff from the 35? What was the advantage to the team by the excessive celebration?
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Johnson is a Cancer
This game is on Stevie Johnson. His childish antics after the TD cost us 4 points if not seven. The drop on the final drive was inexcusable. This guy is not a number one receiver. Other than Nelson and Smith we need an entirely new receiving corps.
So you are going to ignore the fact that he burned Revis all day.
And just cut him.
by Xaviermw on Nov 27, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would not cut him, but I would certainly sign him to a long deal and plan on him being my number one.
I would not let him go, but I would not pay him big money. They guy has maturity issues. We need professionals, not children. Marv would not have stood for it.
I am in the pay him less camp too. we can always pay him more, if he proves he is worth it. pay him for 3 years, with stat based incentives, and sign him to a true contract once he shows himself as a professional, and a real number 1 “go-to” guy.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
sounds nice
until some other desperate team offers him 7 yrs and a ton more money….like Atlanta did with Peerless Price. Whether we like it or not the ball is split between both courts…how much are we willing to give and how badly does Stevie want to remain a Bill.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
that is what the "Franchise Tag" is for.
we should have time to determine his status one way or another. Based off of this year (lump in last year if you want too) – he isn’t worth #1 Go to Guy WR pay status. IMO.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
You really want to pay him that much $
$10-15 million for 1 season for a guy who you just said isn’t worth #1 go to guy WR money. It’s a tough situation but I think we are going to have to pay up if we want to keep him a Bill.
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like i said
ideally, you pay him a salary based on his stats, for like 3 years with incentives built in- and then look at the contract status again. basically, if he outperforms his contract, you renegotiate. You can’t get money back that he wasn’t worth- you can surely pay him more should you have low balled him. I just don’t see paying for lack of production, like we already did w Fitz. Franchise is to secure consistency. we don’t have to digress, if he isn’t the guy. i would consider a tag in the hopes of a new deal, and accept over paying, if he proves his value- you resign him long term. It isn’t that big of a stretch. teams do it all the time.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
And look where Marv has led us
as a GM. Not sure we want to take GM advice from a guy who helped us draft busts and underachievers.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
As long as you don’t mind him dropping a pass when the game is on the line, keep him and sign him to a long term contract. So he had a good game against Revis, guess which team has a better chance of making the playoffs?
We would have been so much closer to winning
without Stevie?
no we don't
Just one sure fire talented WR to go alongside Stevie. If u saw after his TD antics the camera followed him to the sidelines and showed Gailey talking to him. I’m sure Gailey told him about that. He just needs a great veteran WR on the team to teach him how to be a professional. He will be fine. Pay him.
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 8:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
D rooks
Immediate opinion, I thought the rooks played pretty well. Physical, aggressive, good plays on the ball in the secondary.
by freddy five fingers jacks on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions
yea him and Rogers played very well.
This team has some great young talent, its just going to take some more time to develop
Fitzmagic
rogers looks like a pretty good steal
and a solid nickel corner
yea with his improved play
CB is the 3rd need of this team, but i might take 2 OLBs and a WR before addressing it..
Fitzmagic
or 4th
real pass rusher, true #1/#2 wr, another (preferable starting )Man to man cb, and Olinemen. i can order these, in any way. they are equivalent to our biggest need. Corner and wr probably get pushed to a tie for second, with oline and passrusher tied for first.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
to me OL
is not a huge need. Hairston will develop into a good starter, Levitre is great, Wood is good, Urbik is good enough, pears is good enough, maybe some late picks to develop (like Hairston). My biggest needs go like this:
1. OLB 2. WR 3. OLB again 4. CB 5. ILB (Barnett is getting older, need more talented depth) 6. OG 7. OT. For now i think urbik and pears are good enough but we should draft young guys to develop
Fitzmagic
and i see it this way
Hairston is good. Levitre is very good. Wood is injury prone. Urbik is a good center. Rinehart is only a LG. Pears got beat by maybin. We have Bell and 2 other guys i haven’t bothered to learn their names (sorry Brown and Young, because this is untrue, but necessary for my point) . We have no depth, and we don’t even necessarily have a starting line for a whole year. haven’t in a long time.
OLB on BOTH sides. A number one WR. A number two corner. Offensive Line help (can use at least 2 starters and 1 backup as Pears should be a reserve IMO. and because even if Wood comes back, and in the same form, it doesn’t mean he doesnt get hurt AGAIN.)
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Or at very least.
and a solid nickel corner
A big improvement over Reggie Corner as a nickle/dime back.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
understatement of the thread
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
it would of gone down as play of the week on sports center or something. I think it would of been awesome.
It was an idiotic play. You have a new kicker, and due to the penalty, you are kicking from your own 20. Even if it worked, they’d have the ball on their own 35… big deal! Better off kicking it deep and trying to force a punt or INT by Sanchez, who is garbage. He got 4 TDs, but only because the Bills have to play tough against the run at the goal line or they’ll get run over.
oh God yes!!
Haha!! And we were close to recovering it too!
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
What little bits I got to see today while working on my paper for school we showed a lot more heart
than we have the past several weeks. The D played well in spots and bad a couple of times too it seems. I may need to watch a replay or something, but at least we didn’t get blown out.
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Fitz and Stevie probably put up the best numbers against Revis in a long time.
You cannot question their chemistry nor Stevie’s ability.
He should’ve caught the one over the middle, but he didn’t.
Fitz threw a crappy pass in the end zone throw, so that’s not on Steve.
Its football folks, and we came up short. But it does not negate the nice game that they both had.
For the first time in weeks.
Against an awesome defensive backfield.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You’ve certainly got a point. Stevie had a decent day I’d say. You have to look at all factors when grading him out. yes he had great numbers for going against revis, but you also have to take into account his penalty and the drop. With that said:
Incredibly impressed with Fitz, and threading that needle like he was an 84 year old grandma ready to patch a blanket.
I believe that if Spiller gets more burn (which he will), he can turn into something above avg. Just needs the reps to get comfortable i think.
defensive rookies looked promising. I really like Aaron Williams. I think he can be something special in the years to come. If Rogers and Searcy pan out well too, we are looking at one helluva draft.
"Can't" question Steve's ability?
Wrong. His ABILITY doesn’t mean that he is infallible. He isn’t consistent enough to be a #1 WR, at least he hasn’t proven to be yet. He had a good game against Revis. Fitz and he have chemistry. But that doesn’t mean that he didn’t drop passes, or that he can’t be questioned. Fact is, he might really only be a #2 WR on most teams, if that, and we can upgrade.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
He’s no Jerry Rice, but he’s the best we’ve got. Should we get another good WR? Sure, but remember we have some good players injured too.
Sometimes you never get a chance to know
like Charles Rogers for the Lions (drafted before Andre Johnson)….all the talent in the world but just couldn’t stay healthy.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Never get a chance?
he is playing pretty well for them right now- still earning his chances.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
WR Charles Rogers?
the guy is out of the league right now.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
my bad
i thought of CARLOS rogers for no reason at all (other than i saw both the lions and niners play on Thanksgiving) and he is a former first rounder who also has come on recently after being somewhat lackluster.
completely different reference and meaning when comparing Charles vs Carlos, in your reference haha.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
haha no problem
and yeah he surprising has risen from the ashes playing in San Fran now.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Calm down.
Stevie has been hurt for 6 weeks and still put up a great game against the best CB in the league.
If our defense played better, tomorrow everyone would say how awesome Steve was against Revis.
We came up short. That is all.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
"I'm perfectly calm Dude." "Calmer than you."
I am just saying that he has demonstrated as much inconsistency, as he has ability. So, we can be free to scrutinize him as much as any player, regardless of your order against us doing so. Steve still played against Revis well. In fact… if you had read my comment… I said “He had a good game against Revis.” Maybe you missed that part. then i go on to say… “that doesn’t mean that he didn’t drop passes, or that he can’t be questioned.” Perhaps if you read my comment, instead of attacking me for “not being calm” then you might have saved us this time.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I am actually quite calm. I don't believe I was attacking at all.
I just said to calm down. I read a bunch of comments from you all down the thread and you are pretty aggressive on some of them.
We all have our own opinion. And we all may disagree on certain points.
We are all Bills fans.
“He isn’t consistent enough to be a #1 WR”
This, I disagree with.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and that comment is aggressive?
i disagree. aggressive indicates an attack. i didn’t attack, i analyzed with my opinion.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
ordering others not to assess him as poor
and then telling me to “Calm down.” can be seen as agressive too. just passive agressive.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever man. I never “ordered others”.
Your opinion is just as important as everyone else.
Just allow others to disagree. As I do with your opinion about Steve.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Others are welcome to disagree
You cannot question their chemistry nor Stevie’s ability.
unless, of course, they listen to your, let’s call it a suggestion then?
You aren’t really offering much opportunity for someone to disagree with you, if you are dictating they are to accept your view as fact, or that it isn’t up for discussion.
So really, your failure to recognize that although you are inferring that i don’t allow other’s opinions, in fact, you are the one not allowing others to have opinions. Or to share them. I am not sure what the point of your statement was, other than “My view is correct, there is no argument.”
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
So maybe, stop calling the kettle black, stop assuming other’s are inaccurate, and stop accusing people of things, when there isn’t any reason. I haven’t been aggressive… i have been sincere, and throughout the thread, regardless of disagreement, no one has been upset with me, or my view, or felt a need to tell me to “calm down.” show some respect man. Because now… I am not calm.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Your opinion is just important as everyone else.
I agree to completely disagree with you Sir.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
as is your right, Sir.
But, perhaps you can see how it seems rather authoritative to insist that others can’t question aspects of their play, including “chemistry” or “ability”.
They showed POOR chemistry… when he didn’t lead Steve in the end zone when he dropped another pass while “open” (open at least by NFL standard).
Steve showed abilities including: Lack of concentration, immaturity, and inconsistency.
That said: Steve is a good receiver, who has the humility and pride, and respect for others, to admit when he is wrong. He certainly can improve on his short comings. Few of us can’t still improve some. Just saying.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t get it. Drop it.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
nope
it seems it is you that doesn’t get it.
again- telling me what to do, isn’t the same as being right bud.
My view is valid. Your’s would be too… if you weren’t so insistent that one of us is right, and the other wrong about Steve. But that is no longer even the matter of contention. It is now, your clear lack of respect for me, and the view that I have, that many others share.
You seem to think I am aggressive, as you clearly accused me of, yet with no evidence. Now, apparently I am too stupid to understand things as well. perhaps the fault lies with your poor excuse for an explanation, which amounted to “because I say so”. I am not a child. I will not be told what to do, or that I am stupid and don’t understand. It is you that doesn’t understand. First, you don’t understand how to show some respect, and second, you don’t seem to understand that you need to provide some evidence to your argument, or admit that there is some fault to your view, OR AT VERY LEAST, that there is some validity to another’s opposing view, if that is the case. YOU DON’T GET IT, and I will gladly “drop it” when I feel as though you aren’t attacking ME, and start telling me why I am not free to question the guys who played questionably.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
sorry
my bad. haha. seriously though- you wanna P*ss someone off- tell them they don’t “get it” after you tell them to relax. that is two insults that are just plain unwarranted IMO. I surely “get” what he is trying to say- He is right, and I am wrong. But i don’t agree.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, you calm down…
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Stetz, you’re clearly letting your emotions get the best of you.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
i must be stupid or something.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Stevie what?!?!
Man Stevie flat out OWNED Revis today! Last time I checked, Revis was the BEST corner in the biz right now, hands down! He made Revis look avg. and that my friend is a fete in itself. Now do we need more talent at that position? Of course, but that doesnt mean Stevie is nothing more than a #2. Even if he is just that (which I don’t think he is) than what more can you expect your “#2” WR to do against the game’s best corner?
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
well said...rec'd
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
I think that one thing we need to get in the draft is some o-line that’s what I think we need more then anything
by justin1 on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ah the draft!
Only one thing is certain in the next draft: we will blow it. It’s just what we do.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
Dareus was definitely a good pickup this year. I think they should have him as a DT in a 4-3 or just the NT in a 3-4 instead of having him as a DE. He seems like a great run stopper.
#3 pick in the draft?
Not much impact. Compare him to #2 Miller, #4 Green or #5 Peterson.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
by jpheff on Nov 27, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love....
the Dareus pick, but I was on the Green and Peterson bandwagon as the pick before him… Green I had rated my #1 period…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
im very comfortable
with the idea of having Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams to play next to each other for the future in either a 4-3 or 3-4. The pick was a good one to me still.
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wondering aloud....
if Green would have helped us more, today, and long term….
I agree… I like Dareus, but """"""""""""""""""""""""""
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Things are truly looking up!!!
this is again what bothers me with the Evans trade
it came so late, so soon before the season, we never had time to adequately plan around it. AJ Green might have been the pick if we didnt have Evans at the time of the draft.
All in all though, I think there are lots of good receivers in this years draft so I like using such a high pick on a big guy on the line.
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Dareus was the right pick....
Green is good, but you can’t forget how horrid we were vs the run. Dareus has helped our run defense, but he can’t do it alone.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Dareus has helped our run defense,
And that was without our best NT playing. If Kyle can come out of TC 100% then we will look very different next year.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
or if Troup would step up....either way,
the center of the D is not the issue with the D.
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by Joe P. on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hard to step up
when you are inactive. I didn’t follow that move. really can’t say why you would just leave him outta the game just because. or to have Choice on the field.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't Troup still having back issues?
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
idk- is he?
he played last week.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Can't find anything online.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
That's what I heard
and those really wont go away until he’s given time to rest (i.e. not practicing / offseason)
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 27, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
no question he has missed time for a back injury
but he played last week. definitely. he was in on the safety that Shepp got by following Troup’s push.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
boo on you Bob
you the one that wanted Cody? for shame. hahaha. I like the kid, i like his potential, i like his work ethic. you don’t put on 15-20 lbs of muscle without trying. Both Carrington and Troup did that this year. If we put them on the LINE where they BELONG… we could see some production from both. Carrington isn’t a LB. this is just further reason GE is weak as a DC. But Troup will be ok. I don’t see the reason to cut him.. unless you are in the “Jasper” camp… but you wanna see someone not ready- it is that guy.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
and i didn’t see anything during the week. so he was healthy enough last week, and then we sit him this week? is it a stretch that subbing linemen in might keep them fresher, allowing more push? also- a bunch of young guys out there, including Dareus. I don’t understand why we dressed Choice at all. Also- where was Aiken? I would expect to see him, as we run in 4WR so much.. and then we barely did at all. weak.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with you all to some degree
he was the pick, hindsight not considered. that said… i would still not have complained about AJ, about Miller, or about PP. Any are needs we have, and could have made as much, or maybe more impact. Doesn’t mean the Dareus pick was wrong… unless we never upgrade at those other need positions, or could have drafted one of them, and found another “Dareus” at another point of this or the next draft.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Other than his punt reurns,
#5 Peterson.
Peterson has not played well. Miller was taken before our pick and I always said he was better suited to a 4-3 where he could be an every down player instead of a situational pass rusher in a 3-4, and how much would have AJ Green helped if we were still giving up 200-300 yards rushing per game?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
disagree
Peterson also has 2 ints this year. i think one went for a TD as well.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
And he’s been beaten like a redheaded stepchild in several games and is grading out poorly on PFF and not in the discussion for rookie of the year due to all his negative grades. What good are 2 picks if you keep jumping routes and giving up 10x as many big plays than your 2 picks?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
ask Leodis
cuz, i really don’t know. i am just saying.. on a crap team, he is one shimmering star… off in the distance. Get a few more around him… they might be able to improve their team. sounds a lot like us.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
oh
and the only thing Leodis and PP have in common is draft position and being on a weak defense. But we all (should) know that that Corners are all exposed eventually, if there isn’t any pressure on the QB.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
LB, WR, OL !
Draft best available at each position!
by SpiderWeb Sleeves on Nov 27, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So, it seems to me that the idiotic onsides kick attempt from our own 20 was the deciding factor in the game.
read the thread....
or watch the game… It was a screw up by Raynor, not an onside attempt…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
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cj doesn’t have the vision that freddy has. there were some opportunities, some holes which he should have ran to but somehow ended up running straight into the defense.
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Look
If this team had any semblance of a defense, they would be a contender.
agreed....
and that is all on Edwards….
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Agreed
I don’t believe they have top ten (defense) talent but they are not at the bottom. Edwards couldn’t get this this defense in the top ten even if he had all-pros at all 11 positions.
though that might be a little of an overexaggeration
it isn’t an unfounded one. I doubt really any of us can say we fully support Edwards. Lesser coaches do more, with less, all the time. Part of it is scheme… the rest is not putting players into good position to be successful. we have no “tricks” up our sleeves. we line up, it is obvious what we are doing… and teams simply walk all over us. sad and pathetic… and ultimately SO MANY of our problems this year, seem to point to the guys who are supposed to be instructing and coaching these guys up. I blame the staff for not capitalizing, or being able to prevent this downward spiral.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
And that is what coaching is. I do not believe he runs fundamentally sound schemes nor does he use his personnel properly. His in-game defensive calls are sorely lacking and the result is a defense near the bottom.
well put
and I concur.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
So many things to look at…….
First off the defense stinks. No QB not named Tebow can play that poorly and be the sole reason his team wins. Dares isn’t getting it done, either.
Way too much crap ignored by the refs on the Jets. Lucky no one was catastrophically injured.
Stevie is not the solution this team needs. He’s a gamer and tough, but no matter what he put up statistically on Revision, he’s one of the main reasons they lost.
Then there’s Spiller. Good grief.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
im the first to say Stevie blew it by dropping that pass
but his work on Revis was one of the main reasons we even had an offense today. Stevie is a great receiver, not everyone can have an elite guy. If we just go out and get another great guy to play with him we could be much, much better. Trading Evans is still fresh in my mind and Im sure in Nix’s. I think the Bills may draft a WR in the first.
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I don’t know what to think anymore buddy.
It seems to me our real problem is defense. Or lack there of.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
keep your head up Sarge
our team has been decimated by injury, we werent going to last. Its a major improvement from last year and getting blown out by the Jets and coming back from the slide and pulling out a win against the same team showed grit. Only thing that ruined this story was an off the street kicker and Stevie and Fitz failing the team at the end. Its obviously unacceptable but the team is getting better. It is easy to get impatient with the rebuild because we saw a glimpse of where we could get but I think we know far more about how to turn this thing into a winner than we did last year.
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i like how you list
decimated by injury, as if it isn’t a factor year in and year out. ; )
We aren’t a playoff team. We are playing “not a playoff team” football.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
it really is a problem every single year!
When does it end?!
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idk.
i am not sure what causes it! i mean, i would put it on strength and conditioning coaches, but really, they have changed too. Maybe it is the lack of veteran’s and their consistent training, that the young guys don’t get to learn? Maybe it is terrible luck? It COULD be that we spend so much time and effort fighting back, and struggling through, that we are fatigued and get injured, or just hurt ourselves trying too hard to do too much. Whatever it is…. we need to fix it. we can’t afford 25% of the team on IR year in and year out. We don’t have the depth for that… and we aren’t ever going to grow as a group or a unit if they aren’t ever all on the field at the same time. IMO.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
lockout
last season we did not have as many injuries if i remember correctly. The offseason with the Bills training program probably helped and we missed that with the lockout
Fitzmagic
year before last
we had the league leading 13 total players on IR (this was not including Wood and Fitz not finishing the season either). so it hasn’t just been this season, by any means.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
right, we seem to put more guys on IR than any other team, its so hard to comprehend why
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We've also trained S&C
from the Jauron era, where we just seemed to be injured all the time too.
Maybe its bad luck. No idea.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 27, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
idk the why
i do see the effect year in and out though. i mean, all teams have injuries… but maybe due to our lack of depth… these injuries have more of an effect on us. it is certainly disheartening.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
We've also CHANGED S&C
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Spiller's Day
He was a contributor. He was good at picking up the blitz, ran a great route and made an excellent catch in the first half. However 19 carries for 55 yards is very weak. He never makes something out of nothing like Fred does regularly. He has speed without explosion or power.
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
Best play Spiller made was sticking up for Fitz after Maybin hit him late because he is a dbag, which
is probably why he is doing so well with the Jets. They speak his language. Moral of the story….don’t draft dbags.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
or crappy scatbacks who best contribute with moral victories.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
crappy?
seriously… again haha. He has talent just needs more reps. I thought he proved that today. there was 0 blocking for him and he still was productive, he made a nice catch on a flare, and was god in pass protection.
Fitzmagic
Right. Spiller ran the ball with authority today given his long anticipated reps today. Consider him validated. Next topic!
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I wouldn't go that far.....he played better, but
still hasn’t justified where he was picked
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
He was mostly ineffective today. He contributed a few times, but given the reps, he contributed at a poor rate. I hope Spiller gets a similar number of touches over the course of the next five games now that the Bills are out of it, but I’ve seen nothing from Spiller to date to suggest he can even be a #2 running back in the NFL. Feel free to hold out hope; his story isn’t finished yet, but the returns on the investment continue to indicate a player who is out of his class.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I don’t think a fly could have fit through most of the holes the offensive line set up today. You look at what the Jets line did versus what our line did and it’s a miracle Spiller even had 55 yards.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
by crooked5 on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ugh
i hate this logic. 32 selections a round. meaning, a team gets 1 in 32 guys, and should they like a guy… they can’t necessarily wait for a whole round to get him. so, you either don’t take him, or take him when you can. people like you, are the ones who pigeon hole, and apply this “value” system to these kids, before they even get a chance. Is he Jamarcus Russel? being lazy? not performing? not trying? being an overpaid cancer to the team? hindering us in some way? nope. He is just a kid, who wants his shot, and to prove to the rest of the haters that they are off base. I feel as though, if we approached Jamaal Charles by this logic- he is free from scrutiny because he was selected in the 3rd round? i mean… if we could have waited til the 3rd to take CJ, you don’t think we would have? Obviously, we thought we needed him, and he has yet to be relied on, until today. Moving forward, hopefully he does well enough to be “worth” his position and paycheck- factors he has no control over on his own.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care if you like the logic.....
if you take a guy that high, they better be an Adrian Peterson type stud. CJ has struggled to say the least. Now, do I hope he becomes a stud….of course.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
wow
i don’t care if you hold so strongly to unrealistic expectations. But they are still unrealistic, and expectations applied to the guy simply because he was taken early. Lots of guys need more than a year of non-play to develop, and the major difference between him and the other “studs” you could list- they didn’t start him outta the gate, even if he was a top 10 pick. Seems like a mistake to me. And also seems like we are judging a guy based off of nothing. He hasn’t had the opportunity, so he isn’t exactly letting it pass him by. All of the hate directed at the kid, is a result of Fred Jackson’s success, not his failure. If that isn’t unfair and unrealistic IDK what is. Of course Spiller isn’t as good as the guy who has 10 years more experience and required effort. He isn’t Fred, and never will be. Positive is, that he doesn’t need to be. He can be good in his own right, should they give him the chance.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
He did get the opportunity, but his play didn't justify giving him the reps
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Isn’t that why Tebow wasn’t getting on the field? And by that measure, when they benched Orton the next real logical step was in fact Quinn but they gave Tebow a chance. Even more they simplified and adjusted to his skillset and now look what happened!
Funny how critical of Spiller but not of Tebow… Had Fox not simplified and drastically adjusted the system for Tebow he would never have won a game yet.
Without much adjusting, they could create ways of putting Spiller in favorable situations that suits his skills and style of running. If they want to make him successful they surely can.
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by keysh67 on Nov 27, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well, HOPEFULLY they surely can
or could. I am starting to wonder about this, myself. I hope that Chan is spending too much time micromanaging as OC and as QB coach (obviously he see Fitz as a mind like his, in an athlete on the field) and in the long term, they have the leeway to adjust the system to allow for other guys to function within it. Or else, expand it to include them. as of now, it is too basic, and ineffective on the whole. i would really love to see what the full playbook will look like after next season is coming to a close, and we maybe have had a healthy roster full of guys who basically all know their role, and responsibilities, and are getting (and making the most) of their opportunities. Year two of rebuild, nearing a close, and we have clearly improved. By how much, we will know midway through next season.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
He needs to be a good to great running back in the very least. At this point, he isn’t even mediocre. It’s not hopeless after almost two years, but even the Bill-lievers have to concede it’s been a disappointing start and the time to change this start is now, not later.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
idk
his stats say he is mediocre. and he is a part timer, as a KR, WR, and sometimes they even let him be a HB. Jury is, and SHOULD BE, still out on him- at least for me.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
same with brad smith
who i defended all week long. and he proved to be valuable to us again, as he made that circus catch, and provided WR depth while we need it- and gave us a chance to stay in, and win that game. But most have written him off too- cuz he “costs” too much. ugh.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
You mean
The late hits when players were on the ground??
Fire the DC
24 points should be enough to win..especially when Sanchez didnt look that good…all his WRs were wide open
no they weren't...
all his WRs were wide open
most of the day, there was tight coverage, especially AW with a good game, but NO DB can cover forever!!!
In my best Bill Clinton voice…. “It’s the pass rush Stupid”….
and the quote is in general, not directed at you….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
not that i disagree with you
but Keller TD was wide open, Holmes too…some of that was Searcy…but i gotta say our defense and DC need to take ownership of the FACT that we can’t stop anyone…even when we were healthy
Keller not a WR
that was on Sheppard/ FS. Plax made that nasty catch with Byrd right there… apart from that… i didn’t see all his wrs wide open. Not how i saw it at least.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah Keller is a TE
Comment withdrawn our defense is great…and Sanchez must be great too b/c he threw for four TDs to TE’s and WR’s both who were wide open…
there we go
scathing sarcasm surely makes for a superior statement.
or else, maybe you saw things differently that we did. or maybe i am just clearly wrong, since ALL HIS WRS WERE WIDE OPEN. probably on every single play.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
bonehead offensive line penalties
As much as I hated those bonehead penalties, would anyone disagree that the late hit by Pears on Maybin was a thing of beauty?! Haha! I’m sure Maybin was running his mouth the whole time he was on the field like he was the best thing since sliced cheese.
by youngchamp on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Is there a link
anywhere that shows the hit?
I admit it
I had to reply the hit, more than once. And in slow motion:). Something very gratifying about seeing Maybin get blown up by Pears. Love the toughness too on Pears part.
Is it me, or was this the first time this year it actually looked like we tried to play power football on offense? Te Jets defense looked like they were tired at the end. Hope Chan keeps it going. Just odd that he wouldn’t run this w a Freddy.
not at all
power football on offense would include more than one TE on the field at one time, or more than 5 lineman blocking. we did run a goalline set… once. saw little to no run formations, yet again, even though there appeared to be a concerted effort to not abandon the run (failed effort IMO, as we dialed pass 2:1) and as we move forward, i hope to see MORE and MORE running. getting cold out there, and footballs are easier to catch from 2 inches than they are from 2 feet. especially for all these southern boys who don’t even know what “cold” means.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
oh and spencer johnson locking down the outside run
is a bad fit…i mean seriously? He is a former DT!
He's HORRIBLE !!!!
Exactly something I brought up before the game!
It’s pathetic to see a big fatso running behind a fast running back. I can’t understand how he gets to start ahead of Moats. Spencer is a very good DT/DE but c’mon how can Gailey feel that he gives us a better chance to win at JLB ?
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Prediction
at Chan’s new conference: “Misdirection plays and Johnson? I really don’t know. I wasn’t watching because I was working with the offense.”
prediction for 2011 season is 5 and 11
OMG!!!!!!!!!!
The Fighting Tebows are going to win again.
Bizzarro world.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 27, 2011 7:48 PM EST reply actions
He completed 9 passes!! Simple formula, milk the opponent to death!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I love the taste of milk....tastes like....victory!!!!!
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
man!!!!
I like Fitzy, but darn, I’d give my left nut for a WINNER like TT at QB!!!!
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
and the best part is Foxy really didn't work with him becasue they wanted Orton
What happens when a coach actually works with him.
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and game plans for him????
pure Heaven old friend, pure Heaven!!!!
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Yep.....If RG3 is on the board when the Bills pick,
I wonder if CHIX will bite?
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
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Probably not.
We’ll take a RB
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DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND GROW UP BY NOT USING HAIRSPRAY MALES!
Don't be a Paully!
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 27, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
haha or another slash player
like a Brad Smith….team full of slashers!
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I hate this winner tag
Like as if he were the only football player that plays with his heart on his sleeve. It’s the Denver Defense that’s been playing so lights out that they make him look like a rock star
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
It is a combo of both....the D has admitted they play harder for Tebow
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of course they do!!!!
anyone would play harder for a QB willing to run through a brick wall for the team!!!
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
you realize they traded thier best WR, right?
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
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I know.
Joe, you can’t sit there and tell me that you find that this guy can throw a good ball. They fludder all over the place. It’s so disgusting to watch. I love seeing him power his will forward and run through linebackers but lets be honest here, he’s a bad QB that is an awesome runner with a lions heart. That can only bring you so far.
I have no clue who his backup is but it surely isn’t someone like him, so what do you think will happen when he gets his clock cleaned?
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
No question Tebow has regressed as the thrower......I blame the lack of coaching
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
or lack of coaching....
to a player’s talent… Imagine what he could do with a real game plan towards this!!!
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Not sure why?
It’s because of coaching that your boy is succeeding and ONLY because of that. Had they not completely thrown out conventional wisdom and gone to this highschool/college system, the Broncos would be eliminated by now.
Tebow is an amazing athlete – Check
Tebow is an amazing runner – Check
Tebow plays with tremendous heart – Check
Tebow’s passion is addictive and it motivates teamates – Check
- – - -
Tebow is still an awful QB – Check
Fox and Elway are smart enough to know that the only way this kid will be successful is in the option. They are in a tough situation because they also know how popular he is. They know that you can’t build a franchise around an option offense at the NFL level. So they are riding this wave, not sure how it will play out. I’m glad i’m not in their shoes!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Tebow looked better at the end of last season throwing the ball
of course, that was before McDaniels was fired and Elway and Co took over. They didn’t believe in Tebow…..didn’t spend any time helping him improve as a QB. They wanted Orton. Now, they stuck between a rock and a hard place and don’t have the time to help Tebow improve. So, they are doing what Myer did with him and it is working for now. Nothing wrong with Tebow that coaching can’t fix.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
well, theoretically at least
coaching alone, may not improve his passing ability, but it sure couldn’t hurt. definitely a mistake to not try and further develop a first round pick, regardless of if he is behind a better player (orton? idk…. but say.. maybe… Fred Jackson?) or not.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
you can't fix stupid....and Tebow is not stupid
All his issues are mechanical in nature. The can be fixed.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
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CAN be. COULD be. As in “theoretically” like i said. Having all the skills or great mechanics don’t always translate either. Moral is that he deserves a chance at improvement, which won’t occur without actually providing the chance.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm, Tebow now has as many wins in the last 6 games
as the Bills have had in 11. Not bad.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 27, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Correction
The Broncos have as many wins – without that defense we would not be having this discussion
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
did they get a different defense after Tebow was named the starter????
Or, was it the same one Orton had?
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Are you seriously trying to tell me that you think Tebow is the one that makes the Denver Defense better? You don’t think that maybe, just maybe the return of Dumerville after his early season injuries was maybe a factor? Von is a rookie, it took him a few weeks to get the game to slow down for him and then Elvis comes back and starts being his old self again. So you don’t think this has anything to do with it Joe? C’mon.
You think the “chosen” one is the reason why suddenly their defense is so good. WOW, man, that’s one hell of a man crush you’ve got there!
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The "chosen one?"
Wow, you have some serious hate going on with that sarcasm. Let it go.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 28, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
It just irks me so much to see such a lousy QB get so much praise and for most people he is the one responsible for those wins… He didn’t even manage to complete 10 passes and they won, certainly not because of him!
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by keysh67 on Nov 28, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
until he doesn't win...
it is a perfectly fitting tag. he won in college, he has done a great job turning them around and winning now. he is the variable that was changed, and it resulted in a completely different team on the field. can’t just ignore that. Kid wins. just how it is.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't buy it
First,
If they had run the ball this much with Orton they would have been more successful. With Tebow they know that they sure as hell can’t throw the ball so they are actually working at finding creative ways of running the ball effectively, which in turn milks the clock and keeps opposing QBs off the field.
Second,
It’s not TT that is making Von Miller play the way he’s been playing the last few weeks. VM is on fire! That defense also knows that they can’t afford to let opposing teams get up on them because with Tebow it will be impossible to come back. They must avoid shootouts at all costs.
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these are all excuses for dismissing the fact that until he stops winning… he is deserving of a “winner” tag. as much as he is deserving of the “can’t throw the ball” stigma, until he starts being a better passer.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
But so are the rest of that team…. Winners
People make it sound like he’s some sort of team “savior” or something. I think Dummerville and Von Miller are big reasons for the Broncos resurgence and winning record.
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well, to be fair
the rest of the team is basically 50/50. he was the only real “change” in personnel, and the results seem pretty obvious. if you told me the Bolts would lose to the Broncos this year…. i mean.. i woulda laughed in your face. they picked 2nd. But… because of TT (IMO) here they are… winning in OT. a week after they beat the Jets who just beat us. So… apparently they are better than us, even though they picked before us, and the only real significant personnel changes this year were Miller, and Tebow, and Miller has been out there all year.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I still wouldn’t want him – no way no how
a) Teams will learn how to stop him, like they did the wildcat
b) He will get hurt at some point
c) He would not be winning if it were not for their awesome defense
Tebow is a great Wildcat/Option RB and he’d be way better if he could actually throw a ball!
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Stevie Jerkson
Maybe it is time for Little Stevie to grow up and quit being a self serving jerk when he gets into the endzone.Maybe he won’t drop clutch passes that could have won the game.Of course we do have him to thank for dropping that pass against the Steelers last year so that we could get Marcel Dareus.Hadcought that pass today then we would be6-5
I’ve seen many big named guys drop important passes. And he took full blame for it.
Not sure what the celebration has to do with the dropped pass
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agreed.....TO dropped plenty of passes in his career
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Johnson’s had enough egg on his face at this point that his antics look like amateur hour. He has some talent, but he’s a lame comedy act that has become a cliche. He needs to re-brand himself as a tough, versatile receiver who puts the team first. He can go two ways at this point- excellent 12 year pro or clown with unrealized talent. We’ll see.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Say what you want
He had a great game against arguably the best cover CB in the league. It’s unfortunate that he had that drop but he’s 8receptions for 75Y and 1TD are the main reason why we were even in a position to win it at the end.
His celebration was a bit tasteless but Stevie is a unique individual that needs a little craziness. I’m sure he now realizes that his choice of celebration was tasteless.
Drops happen to many guys. It’s just not fun when they happen in such important situations.
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by keysh67 on Nov 27, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once again
Scott Chandler catches everything thrown to him. He was 6 for 7 targets but it was so poorly thrown.. Anyway, my point is once again, if he can catch everything you throw to him, why aren’t you throwing to him more often?
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well that is simple!
he isn’t a WR, and we run 3-4 WR sets all day… obviously since he isn’t a RB, we can’t use HIM as a receiver! Ask some others…. he should just be a reserve TE!
ORRRR…… we have Greg Olsen on our team, and we should just trade him to the Pats (or to the Panthers like the Bears did w Olsen) because our system doesn’t feature a TE! We run spread! We couldn’t possibly take a page out of New Orleans’ or Green Bays’ book… and still actually USE our clearest mismatch on the field, play in and play out.
So…. I guess…. I agree completely with you. Chan is the dumbest “offensive genius” i have seen here since Fairchild. At least that guy went “run, run, pass, punt” rather than “pass, pass, oops an INT” or “pass, pass, pass, pass, punt.”- ultimately, can’t fathom how we don’t use the weapons we have. Sad, or pathetic, really.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
No complaints about offensive or defensive game plans
Player and coaching mistakes on individual plays made the difference.
Spiller was used well. Stats weren’t great, but he kept the defense honest and opened up the passing game.
HE looked good to me. He’s still learning and there was a few no yardage attempts that come and skew the stats up. I think he will continue to improve each game from here on out. That pass that he caught down the sidelines was a thing of absolute beauty!
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by keysh67 on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
that pass was NASTY loved that Fitz saw it, or it was drawn up or whatever it was. He didn’t rip a huge run, and he didn’t score…but like you said, he kept the defense honest. I don’t know why we don’t run more.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 27, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
M very happy November is coming to an end
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Bills are done
How about the ribs? They’ve been cooking a long time! :-)
"I wish I could give you an explanation why we played effectively earlier in the year and why we're not playing effectively now," Really Chan? Really? That's reassuring.
Jets brought their B-game and won
Bills won the turnover battle and converted fully.
I can take the player failures better than the coaching failures. Typical for bad teams… Edwards called a much better pass defense this game. Bills rushed four and coverages fooled Sanchez all game. Then at the end, he figures… we’ll blitz, they’ll never expect it. Two plays in a row, 40 yards, Jets TD. Brilliant!
Aaron Williams was impressive this game, Searcy had ups and downs.
Bob Costas’ halftime segment was about Stevie Johnson’s celebration. He was overly harsh and condemning, in my opinion. They even used the Why So Serious clip as evidence against him, when Stevie in fact was a media darling after that.
Johnson wants to be funny; why complain when he’s a national laughingstock?
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
ha!
that is kinda funny. i bet stevie himself would appreciate that.
honestly though- poor kid is getting scapegoated for EVERY TD celebration EVER. I don’t agree with that. Hopefully, he learns from this to some degree, and keeps it a little simpler, and gets back some support from those who are going to start lumping him in with T. O. soon.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
yep.....total hatched job....Costas should be ashamed of himself
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Sadly, that segment came across nearly as much as “the game was better when the black players knew their place” as “the game was nicer when nobody showboated,” which was intended.
Also thought it was hilarious he used the example of Aaron Rodger’s Lambo Leaping (something that sure as hell wouldn’t be allowed Lombardi was coaching) but failed to show ARod’s six shooter or championship belt dances.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
i didn't take it as a race thing
but more in terms of like, classiness. I mean, like when Barry or W Payton scored, and just dropped the ball and headed for the sideline. That is classy, and just as significant. Says “i have been here before, will be here again, no biggy. back to work.” that was how i took it. definitely rough though to put a face to bad celebrations, and make it Stevie Johnson. DeSean Jackson maybe. NOT STEVE.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
He's Making A Point
Stevie needs to focus on his profession and needs to ditch his version of Entertainment Tonight. He hurt the team due to carelessness. When he’s Jerry Rice, then he will get cut slack. Until then, he needs to cut out the crap and do his job. Apparently his time with TO didn’t do him any favors.
Go big or go home.
the point could have been made without the hatchet job
going back to the why so serious clip didn’t have anything to do with dropping that pass.
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
by Joe P. on Nov 27, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But isn’t Johnson moonlighting as an entertainer? By signing up for that job voluntarily, Johnson’s act deserves a TON of subjective scrutiny. i, like Costas, find Johnson’s comedy act to be totally lame. The subjective world of entertainment is much harsher than the world of football where the higher powers (when they aren’t forsaking Johnson with drops in overtime) gave him actual tangible talent. So it goes.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Nov 27, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
can't pick and choose when you set yourself up as a target
when he reaches for that spotlight, everything that follows is on him
I know it’s been said above, but I want to throw in my opinion on today’s game. I could only watch the first half, but I liked the offensive game plan. Chan got production out of a beat-up team, and Fitz and Stevie played well. I thought Spiller ran okay for the most part…he needs more touches and he’ll get there.
However, our defense is terrible on several levels (well, three of them). We can’t stop the Jets’ offense? They walked all over us today. 24 points against that defense should be a win. I want the next draft to be another 6 or 7 defenders, and maybe a 3rd or 4th round WR. Chan can put a winning offense together with what we have, but we have to overload the defense with developing talent to have a prayer.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
There should be a few WRs that may be on the free agent market this year too that I wouldn’t mind picking up — Vincent Jackson and Dwayne Bowe both come to mind (and Bowe has worked with Gailey before, which seems to be the first step to getting on the Bills roster).
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
would be cool to see us go after either
but both are guys who have quit on their QBs in the past… we don’t need that with Fitz- he is inconsistent enough. I hate to see him battling it out with a #1 WR. i take the goon squad over a guy that demands footballs, or doesn’t expect to be a member of a team, and a WR squad. ONE of the team, not the WHOLE team. I think we can find that guy easier in the draft. they want opportunities, and to get to work.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
that somehow surprised you
when we couldn’t stop them on offense only weeks ago, and then got owned by MATT MOORE? i was surprised we did what we did. Rookies and youngins out there did good. Really happy for Aaron Williams and the fact he is our best corner, and will be for a while. Like to find him another one to go with him and Rogers, and maybe a couple OLBs…. and then a bunch more depth (though mcgee and florence are certainly great depth players should we find “starters” to play ahead of them) and we can hit the ground running again next year, with the benefit of the offseason. and yes…. we are now looking to next year.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
My post wasn’t intended to come across as “surprised”, really. Just adding evidence to my thought that we need most of next year’s draft on defense as well.
For what it’s worth, no, I was not at all surprised.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
i know
i am just using the expression. as i said: i was surprised we didn’t get owned. again. no doubt that the defense was and still is our biggest focus, and that the offense should continue to expand and grow. we definitely lack depth, but by drafting starters, or even capable players, we “demote” some of our players to depth, and we improve by adding talent. we are early in this rebuild, contrary to what others want to say. We are in year 2, no more. We didn’t start off with NOTHING, but we have a LONG way to go, before we could consider ourselves even close to capable, really.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Pears: needs to be more self disciplined, several stupid penalties against him put the offense in the hole.
Johnson: be smart about TD celebrations, you hurt your team.
Fitzz: stop throwing off your back foot, your short arming long throws and sailing balls when you try to throw hard.
Gailey: play action on first down, try it sometime.
Edwards: stick with what works, blitz near the end of the game?
Raynor: just kick the d@ng ball.
Florence: lose the orange gloves, and start catching the ball.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
by Montel on Nov 28, 2011 1:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
in all fairness
Florence DID catch the ball today.
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by ThaRealTruth on Nov 28, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Very strange day.
First game I got to see all year, albeit at a family-friend’s house, and they didn’t embarrass themselves. Just really wish they could’ve played tighter, is all.
That seems to have been the issue, more than anything else. Ryan is a meat-and-potatoes QB with a surprisingly good crew left to throw to, and hand the ball off to, I think. He barely even needs the time afforded by a top-notch line, and he made some good decisions towards the end of the game. (Stevie’s non-catch… I think it was marginal.) The defense, though, needs Meatball back in a bad way. Get Kyle and Marcel and Dwan lined up right, and this D will scare the crap out of anyone.
I felt pretty good about this game, I’m gonna probably vote up a ridiculous amount in the next poll. And yeah, there BETTER be three good this week, Brian, this team at least showed up. Now on to actually breaking the losing streak, beating Miami at home, and shocking someone else to salvage a .500 season.
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