Buffalo Bills Place Torell Troup On Injured Reserve
by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills have announced that second-year nose tackle Torell Troup has been placed on Injured Reserve, bringing an end to his disappointing second season. Lionel Dotson has been promoted from the practice squad to take Troup's roster spot.
Troup has been in and out of the lineup since the summer dealing with a back injury. The second-round pick in the 2010 NFL Draft was largely ineffective playing at significantly less than 100 percent, which hurt the team given the absence of Kyle Williams.
It seems likely at this point - but we're just speculating, mind you - that Troup will have surgery to correct the issue and try to come back for training camp next year. In the meantime, the Bills are now out 627 pounds of nose tackle for the remaining five games of the season.
The Bills also announced that Robert Eddins has been added to the practice squad. Which makes sense, really - as a 3-4 team, they should have a pass rushing prospect on the taxi squad at all times. Eddins began the year with the Bills as a member of the active roster after going undrafted out of Ball State.
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2010 Draft is shaping out nicely.
Another draft that will set Buffalo back another 2 years..
Fire Nix.
Yes. Fire Buddy Nix because Torell Troup has a bad back.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And let's call Troup a wasted pick, too!
Don’t stop there, Brian. Troup must suck.
I don’t know how you do this, day after day.
Isn’t this one of the few things that is actually entirely outside of his control? It’s like firing an employee because his computer crashed. It happens. It’s more noise than a signal of ability.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Nov 30, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, employees ARE fired because their computer crashes if they are expected to do a job. Troup hasn’t been the force he was drafted ahead of other DT’s to be…and that is pre-injury! I would like to believe he could be good eventually, but a second round pick who turns out to be an injured, long term project (and backup, mind you) would be enough reason to doubt the “drafter”…especially when his round 1 pick and round 3 picks have been largely ineffective in their starting roles also
Pre-injury he was a rookie and playing behind a pro-bowl NT.
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
How many 0-guys are effective in their first year? Not many. Why? Because, while they may have been the biggest and baddest things in college ball, they don’t have the strength or the technique needed to compete against the monsters in the NFL.
Some positions can be filled by rookies who can contribute immediately. RBs are the best example. Other positions take time for a player to adjust to the pro game. QBs and WRs are the best examples. And other positions require time so players can get bigger and stronger NTs are an example.
Troup did what any GM would expect in his first year. Got his feet wet, put on some muscle and learned the game. This year would have been his year to grow into a starting role, but he was fighting a back injury all year.
Your point, to the extent I can discern one, seems to be (A) all NFL players develop at the same pace and should perform immediately, (B) Troup must suck because Spiller was playing behind a beast named Jackson and so Spiller must suck and because Spiller sucks Troup sucks, and © if a player is injured the year they are supposed to begin to become and NFL ready player, then the player is a wasted pick and should be cut.
Thankfully, Nix, et al., as well as many people on BuffaloRumblings will disagree with you.
You got me, you’re so right! Maybe you should read again, I didn’t at any point say cut Troup, I said its Nix who should be under the gun (and I didn’t say he HAD to go, but it wouldn’t surprise me) But to enlighten your invalid argument, here goes…
You’re right, A high second round pick drafted when we have major holes shouldn’t be an immediate starter because he is a DT and not a QB or WR! I guess Suh, and Fairley, and Ngata, and Raji, and Dareus all secretly played in the NFL before they came to camp! And you’re right, our 1st round pick playing poorly should take our conscience off of our 2nd round pick playing poorly!
Two suggestions, read more carefully before you take an offensive stance, and be a little more open minded to the problems at hand, which is that our 2010 draft is beginning to seem like another bust
Suh, and Fairley, and Ngata, and Raji, and Dareus
Are you really going to compare a 2nd round NT to 4 guys taken in the top 10 and one taken in the top 15?
by NordicBillsfan on Nov 30, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
For a guy who goes off on reading comprehension, you’ve got an odd way of interpreting and presenting facts.
You said there were other DTs Troup was drafted in front of who have been forces, " Troup hasn’t been the force he was drafted ahead of other DT’s to be." Who are you thinking about? Mt. Cody, drafted before Troup, hasn’t done anything. What other 0-gap guy drafted behind Troup has been a “force”?
You said in your follow-up diatribe, “A high second round pick drafted when we have major holes shouldn’t be an immediate starter because he is a DT and not a QB or WR!” Trying to be snarky, you’ve made my/our point for us even if you don’t see it. The Bills drafted a DT. If you want to make the counter-factual point in hindsight that they should have drafted someone else, so be it. I’ll do the same. Nix, who wasn’t here at the time, is a schmuck for not drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round ahead of NE. Wow… that adds to the conversation. If we accept the facts, as some of us are stuck doing, the Bills drafted a DT. My point was an is: there are no or precious few 2nd round DTs who make a big splash in their first year. But, let’s entertain your counter-factual point, that the Bills drafted someone else. How many 2nd round players are “immediate starters” at all? Are all that aren’t bad picks? Not “immediate starter” equals bad pick? Murawski beat me to making that point.
You also said, “but a second round pick who turns out to be an injured, long term project (and backup, mind you) would be enough reason to doubt the "drafter".” My response was twofold: (1) a 0-gap guy is going to take a year or two to come up to speed. You disputed the point by citing top ten draft picks. Nordic took you to school on that point. And, (2) you can’t “doubt the drafter” because a guy got injured. How can you judge a player who can’t play? One point I didn’t make is that Troup wasn’t drafted to be a back-up. Kyle Wiliams, when playing, is perhaps the best player on the D, but he isn’t what Nix and his administration wants at the center of the line. In short, he isn’t a back-up.
Last point, your snark ended with the non-sensical “And you’re right, our 1st round pick playing poorly should take our conscience off of our 2nd round pick playing poorly!” To which I can only respond with a point you can’t seem to get, HE’S INJURED!
Go back to yelling at your radio. People actually read this blog, read, think about the points made and then respond with factual statements, maybe providing a bit of insight along the way.
Dang
Can’t we all just get along?! PS whats snarky even mean? snippy? sarcastic?
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by buffalobacker on Nov 30, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
whats snarky even mean? snippy? sarcastic?
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
Isn’t this a forum to express our opinions regardless if someone considers them snarky? Why is being critical of a failing franchise wrong? Cutting,testy is kinda vague. Wow, gotta be like super respective of so called BR fans. My response is I could careless about being snarky, I’m me, a fan of the Bill’s for over 30 yrs. I really don’t care if I make you unhappy, don’t respond and theres no problem. If you respond I usually get warned for my response, Next.
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by buffalobacker on Nov 30, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Listen, using more profound verbiage in this dissertation you so kindly wrote me isn’t going to hurt my feelings lol…although I must give a little credit where it is due because I was sincerely surprised that you admitted to something that not many other bills fans will, that though he is a great defender Williams is not the DT of the future, so I will pause to give props on that…now that I got the gentleman thought out of the way, back to the case and point…
If you haven’t noticed, its not always where they are picked as it is the priority of what a team needs when picking…so a guy drafted low first round or early in the second round doesn’t always mean he’s not worthy of much higher, or in some cases lower…ask aaron rodgers, ask poz…(the bills and a few other teams know all about taking guys too high or not in priority)
The first 2 rounds for teams in major ‘rebuidling’ should be immediate impact guys in places of weakness, you can argue until you are blue in the face, but they should, unless you just cant pass on a guy who is undeniably going to be great in time(Spiller and Troup may be that, sure, but havent shown it yet). Troup wasn’t a “bad” pick, but he wasn’t the pick we should’ve made where we were drafting with what we were in need of at the time. There are plenty of 2nd rounders every year who start automatically on teams in need, and plenty of first and second rounders who don’t when a team is set. Clearly you spend a lot of time on this site, broaden your horizon and look up the last few drafts and find the teams near the top, and see that there are guys who started right away (look at us alone….byrd, levitre, a. williams)
BTW..took me to school? What are we, 12 year olds?
I didn’t say the other DTs were a force, they are projects too, but he was chosen where he was to be a ‘force’ and hasn’t shown he will be yet, blame it on the injury, learning curve, whatever you want, he hasn’t…don’t compare him to Cody, a guy who gets to play close to never because he is on a stellar Raven defense that features Ngata ahead of him but still has slightly better stats than Troup.
And you’re right, how CAN I judge a player who can’t play…I mean, teams and front offices do, but a fan can’t…Shawn Nelson couldn’t play much because of migraines, guess he had no skills, not good enough for this conversation, ok how about 2009 number 4 pick Aaron Curry, let go because of 2 injured seasons… Im not judging Troup’s character or his potential, just his contribution thus far!
Thanks for the insights though!
The pats should probably fire Belicheck also because one or two of his second round picks didn’t work out in their first two years also. Come on.
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by Eric Murawski on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Win a few Super Bowls and continue to make the playoffs and you can blow as many draft picks as you want.
Continue the Bills tradition of missing the playoffs and the fans are going to put you on a shorter leash.
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by twoeightnine on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry!
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Come on.
It must now (and forever) be spoken (and written) as, “Come on, MAN!™.”
Please do not repeat this offense, or ESPN’s lawyers WILL be in touch and WILL prosecute.
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Nov 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad to see Eddins added to the PS. Remember Eddies originally made the roster out of camp, but was then placed on IR. Eddins and the Bills then reached an injury settlement with Eddins. He showed some natural pass rush ability in camp and the preseason.
I imagine the Bills will get Eddins back on the roster and into some games once he is in shape and up to speed.
by WhatGoesAround on Nov 30, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Will he ever come back?
The big question with Troup unfortunately is whether the doctors will ever be able to diagnose and solve his problem to the point where he can play football again. According to all the information on him that Chris Brown has been putting out they are unsure of exactly what is producing these symptoms, which is not unusual in the case of chronic back pain. Let’s hope they can pinpoint the cause and fix it so that he can resume his NFL career next year; otherwise he may be in the same category as Easley.
Am I right that, after reaching an injury settlement with him, the Bills can’t put Eddins back on the active roster this year, or can they do it after he has been on the PS for a while? Given the complete lack of a pass rush it would be good to have him available as soon as possible if it is possible. We are not headed for the playoffs, so why not give him some playing time and see what he can do?
Am I right that, after reaching an injury settlement with him, the Bills can’t put Eddins back on the active roster this year, or can they do it after he has been on the PS for a while?
The Bills couldn’t re-sign him until 6 weeks after he was released with his injury settlement. He is good to go now.
by MattRichWarren on Nov 30, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I too am thankful to have Eddins back. Maybe he can add some sorely needed pressure off the edge.
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by thefourwinds on Nov 30, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
could we active
Eddins? When we signed Coleman back, i said i’d prefer Eddins, but some guys said we can’t because he was put in IR and reached an injury settlement to be released.
by Fernando brazil on Nov 30, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Here here!
I also have chronic back problems and it took years for them to discover it as a bulging disc with a tear in the annular muscle. I’m sure the Bills will get Troup the surgery he needs, but it still might not fix it. My back injury has really messed my life up, to the point where I’m going to get discharged from the military. I can’t imagine what it would be like for a football player.
On a side note, I am getting sick of coming to this website and seeing that another guy is headed to the IR. Very depressing.
Okaaaay we’ll stop letting players get injured. But only because it’s depressing you :)
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Nov 30, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry you are getting a medical discharge brother. Make sure you get everything documented with the VA claim.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 30, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Success rate (surgery)
Looks pretty good, if I’m reading this correctly. The younger the player, the better:
This team consistently excels at placing players on IR – already at 12 this year! 13 last year, 20 in 2009. RIDICULOUS!
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by Posluszny Pollocks on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions
At least it’s trending in the right direction over the last 3 years.
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by RedStickBillsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think one reason for that is they decide that the season is shot so even if some guys might be able to play through it or return with a few more weeks in the season, they decide to IR him and get a look at another guy for “next year”. It always ends up about next year somehow…..
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Nov 30, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds plausible. Sucks we have to throw in the towel so early year after year. That said, can’t say the bills are not doing their part grabbing guys off the street to fight unemployment.
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by oompaloompa on Nov 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They were putting guys on IR long before our season was shot this year. If they really were giving up at 5-2, they should rework their priorities.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
It seems like every year there are 2-3 guys upset they were put on IR b/c their injury should have them back before the end of the year. That tells me the team wants to get a look at another guy for the future. Plus, the team was off to a fast start this year and Nix basically said that he was surprised at the start but that Gailey is good at doing a lot with little talent. The GM says that about a team in the division lead?
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 1, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure what Nix’s comments have to do with putting people on IR. Also, who’s upset they’re in IR this year? I haven’t seen anything.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
One could assume FredEx is upset, because it cut him out of the Pro Bowl voting, and he’s upset about that.
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There’s a difference between being upset that they’re going on IR (which I’m sure every player is) and being upset at Gailey for putting him on IR if he felt he could come back this year, which is what we’re arguing about. Fred has a broken leg…IR seems like the logical step considering there were only 6 weeks left in the season.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Is it just me or does it seem as though we often talk about ‘prospects’ on this team? We haven’t the luxury to talk about established all-pros. And this is one good reason we will now be the team with longest playoff drought-12 years.
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by chaucer on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Time for Nutrtion Change!
No Soy fillers of any kind in everyone’s diets not just Players I got really sick from marketed healthy food and misdiagnosed mis prescribed and left bed ridden and bald at 30 for months when food was the cause of original problems I switched afteryears of searching to feel better to No Soy No Dairy vary little grass fed meat 1 a week or less drop 50 lbs in 4 months and my knees are shot from recon surgerys 5 of them. Every year tons of injuries hits Buffalo. I strongly Billieve its diet through experience and the turf grass fields Reggie Bush is shock at his legs after playing on grass in Miami. Harbaugh has nutrition guide lines. As for field with upcoming renovations I wrote and suggested geothermal heating of grass field and stands competeing with HDTV’s warm homes with free natural warming of field and stands donate field to High school that wants one. Oh and Fire George Edwards blitzes 3 rd 11 when coverage handcuffed El Dirty Sanchez all day WTF!?!? Something has to be done about health.
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… Disapproves of your post. Rub some Chunky soup on it and get back out there!
Sorry, but I don’t think the Buffalo Vegan Bills would fare any better than this year’s team. I’m glad you found a solution to your health problems.
Ps. I suggest you don’t read what Fitz and the OLine consume together on Frridays before games ;)
Why so Plaxico?
he does make a good point though
Terry Pegula said that the Sabres were going to look into nutrition more. But i also think the lockout has a lot to do with the long term injuries. If you look the year previous to Gailey and staff there were 20 players on IR then when Gailey took over 13. Idk if this is right but i think the Strength and conditioning coaches on staff may have had a positive impact and their program may work better than what the players did individually.
Fitzmagic
Not Vegan I do myself
I sacrifice strength by my diet they can not but they can cut soy fillers products out . I would like to see the IR numbers for the past 5 years and compare to Harbaugh and the Ravens he had it from day 1. I was reading a study on gorillas fed soy diet and went nuts on the food products. I just find it interesting food changed in the early 90’s Cancers immune disorders diabetes and others skyrocketed and continue to evolve. anything to maximize profits with fillers to create volume. I love Meat and Wings but I like walking on my surgically repaired knees more with the help of percocet from the bone on bone friction.
I am somehow not surprised. Honestly, I know he’s been playing, but I don’t know if I’ve noticed him once. I literally don’t care about this other than to say, it would be nice to know if he can play or not…….
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions
Jasper
Could make up a big chunk of the weight we’ve lost at NT.
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by oompaloompa on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A While Back
Brian did an article a while back on the way Troup lines up and His stance was off.Changing that and doing it going up against Pro Linemen would be a really easy way to blow a disc out.Sure hope that’s not what happened to the guy.Sciatic pain is no minor thing,I’ve had it for some years now,so all the best for Torrell..Get healthy and get back here..
I feel bad for the Troop.
Kyle was a 5th rounder who took a little bit to come on, but he wasn’t hurt either.
I wish him well in his recovery and hope to see him back on the field and part of our rotation next year.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 30, 2011 7:44 PM EST reply actions
Troup was a reach for round 2
Draft experts said the same…he hasnt done much…in his first or second year…and really doesnt seem like he will be 100% next year, though i am not a Dr…I do watch House…so back to the drawing board…he looks like a reach/bust…and someone posted that Mount Cody was selelcted B4 him…I dont think that is true…Cody went after him as i recall…
Hey, good luck to him.
I hope he gets better, beats this, and becomes at least a decent situational player.
I personally think we’ve got our NT, though, active and playing right now. Even at end, assuming Kyle keeps on doing his strange interpretation of NT that I really don’t get but it works, Marcel Dareus is the guy taking up space, occupying blockers, and basically ruining the opposing interior line’s day. Just saying that Torrel is best as a second interior tackle on running downs, which does seem like a limited role for a second rounder, but we go with what we got.
And get Alex and/or Spencer back on the line for now, seriously.
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