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Should The Bills Bet The Farm For Andrew Luck?

O.K. - hands up - who is sick of watching the Bills?

I've been watching this team forever (hyperbole - 23 years) and this is the first season in which i've just stopped watching games. The defense sucks, Fitzpatrick doesn't know what a pocket is or how to use one and George Edwards is in way over his head.

I think it's time for the Bills to do something drastic - go all Atlanta Falcons on Andrew Luck.

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Julio Jones cost the Falcons 2 first round picks, a second round pick and 2 fourth round picks - for a wide receiver. Wouldn't you as a Bills fan be completely fine with the Bills giving up say 3 first round picks 2 second round picks and 2 fifth round picks for Andrew Luck?

First things first - no college player is a given to be great as an NFL player - o.k. that maybe hyperbole too but you know what i'm getting at. I keep hearing time and time again how Luck is the best pro prospect since Peyton Manning - well then go get him. Stop f'in around and get the job done - i'm sick of the suck - i'm sure OBD is sick the suck and if i'm sick of the suck then I know that 100% of Bills fans are sick of the suck too.

As far as the Colts are concerned - they do still have Peyton Manning and could easily have him for a good 3-4 more years - they could use the ammo to go after a few more championship runs with him a the helm. The Colts aren't the 0-16 Lions or Dolphins that have nothing anywhere - the Colts might be willing to play ball here. There are a few problems, namely Bill Polian and his not wanting to help the Bills at all but I think the Colts will at least listen - and the Bills should be talking.

Luck would put fans in the stands and get this team in the right direction immediately. He could learn behind The Brain for a year and then take over. The Bills have invested heavily in defense the past 2 years so they have young talent to work with - rushing the passer remains a concern but there are other ways to address that - Andrew Luck type players come out once a decade.

You want to talk about building through the draft - well Andrew Luck is building through the draft. I don't care if it takes 7 picks - he's still "building through the draft" - just in a different way. Drafting him coupled with a new defensive coordinator and a few shrewd moves for a pass rusher should be high priorities for Buddy and Chan.

So I leave the question to you folks - as Bills fans - should the Bills bet the farm for Andrew Luck?

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Should the Bills go "all in" and draft Andrew Luck?
Yes
143 votes
No
166 votes

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I voted yes, but I disagree that Indy would give them the option.

Peyton Manning turns 36 this offseason and isn’t a guarantee to come back from his neck problem.

They’ve got the worst defense in football. The key players that drove that defense during the playoff runs turn 32 and 31 this offseason (Freeney and Mathis). Their secondary is a mess (they’ve got a measly 6 INTs this year). Despite drafting some RBs, they still struggle to run the ball and are in the process of rebuilding the OL from scratch.

I can’t imagine that the mindset in Indy is to reload for another couple years of Manning. Polian is too smart to pass on a franchise QB.

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by kaisertown on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

Yurp

I second that. Luck is too good to pass on even with Manning.

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by J0ckam0 on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

This was exactly my thought

Buffalo should offer Indianapolis something, but I don’t think Polian and Irsay take any offer from anyone this year.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what I've been saying all along.

We could offer our next 10 first rounders and Polian would say no. It would just be flat out stupid to pass on Luck.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We could offer our next 10 first rounders and Polian would say no.

Are you being serious?

by JapanJohn on Dec 14, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I know history shouldn’t repeat itself (Crowded House, anyone?), but would you rather have the last decade’s worth of first round picks by the Bills or Andrew Luck?

I know how i’d respond.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This has been Polian's plan from the begining

no doubt in my mind. One year behind Peyton, then thank you very much for the wonderful years Mr. Manning and hello Andrew Luck!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Dec 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Polian and the Colts are taking this “suck for Luck” thing very seriously. And i don’t blame them for a second!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Polian probably coached Manning into putting off, then electing to have the surgery when he did /sarcasm

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted yes, but 3 first round picks is far too much. We’re not moving up from the mid 20s. We’ll be moving up from slot 9 at the most. Two firsts and maybe a 2nd is the most I’d give up.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.

Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

its not too much when your last 12 1st round picks did nothing for your team and got you no where. I would give them 4, I don’t care, that would at least give us a top QB. In this league if you don’t have one your done with all the rule changes. And anyways, our drafting in the later rounds is better than the 1st rounds so who cares.

by csc06258 on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But if Luck stormed on the scene, the Bills wouldn’t likely have such high draft picks the following years.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for not adding much to the convo but...
O.K. – hands up – who is sick of watching the Bills?

More like disinterested

Should The Bills Bet The Farm For Andrew Luck?

Yup

I just don’t understand how anyone can be ok with not doing all we can to go and get the proverbial “franchise QB”.

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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

As much as i want Luck...

First of all,
Pulling a Falcons won’t do it, he would go for more. I think it would be closer to a Ditka in order to sway the Colts to give him up. But in the end, they’d be crazy to pass him up – it ain’t going to happen.

Just for argument sake, let’s assume a Ditka would do it, then we’d be giving up our complete 2012 draft plus our #1 in 2013 in order to move up and get Andrew Luck. The problem is that we are missing way too many pieces on Defense to ever consider ourselves a playoff team. Without a decent pass rush we’ll never be able to compete. I’d argue that we also need some important pieces on our O-Line and well as a true #1 Receiver and Playmaking TE

If the only addition to our team for the next two years is Andrew Luck, I doubt we make the playoffs until 2015. If this team doesn’t get back on track soon, what’s going to happen when Ralph exits? Maybe having a QB like Andrew Luck would secure that future? Maybe it would motivate someone to buy the team and relocate it to LA, thinking Andrew Luck would fill the seats?

So as much as I would love to get luck, the price is too steep and it would push us into 2015 before maybe being able to make the playoffs, too steep of a price IMO

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

The Colts are missing just as many pieces on defense. Yes, they won’t be giving any picks up to draft him, but they’d likely be turning away picks to fix the defense quickly. The complete opposite side of this risk coin.

Who cares about defense? When’s the last time a defensive team won the Super Bowl? That’s what I say!

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Colts

I see almost no chance that Andrew Luck is not a Colt next year. From their standpoint, they unexpectedly have a chance to draft the highest rated quarterback prospect in more than a decade. From Manning’s standpoint, he’s 36 years old and the greatest QB of my lifetime in my opinion; I see very little reason for him to come back from his injury to finish his career on an 0-16 team.

I would go all-in on betting that Andrew Luck is a Colt next year and Peyton Manning is starting somewhere else. Trading Manning for picks and drafting Luck allows for a best case scenario for all parties involved. I see almost no way it doesn’t unfold this way.

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by Port Royal on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Would you make that trade for Manning?

If so, what would you be willing to give?

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by Bogeyman on Dec 13, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Manning

I think the Colts will get a 2012 2nd round pick and 2013 first round pick (conditional) from a team that is looking to win soon and believes internally that their poor results in 2011 were based mainly on a black hole at QB and not from a lack of overall talent on their roster. I don’t think the Colts will exile Manning to the highest bidder and frankly, he will have a major say in where he ends up. He will not be an option for Buffalo for the same reason it doesn’t make sense for him to come back and finish his career on an 0-16 team in Indy. I think the Dolphins, Redskins, and Seahawks fit the profile of the team that will make a play for Manning.

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by Port Royal on Dec 14, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Colts will get a 2012 2nd round pick and 2013 first round pick

If Carson Palmer is worth 2 firsts, I think Peyton might fetch a little more than that

by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 14, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll find out soon enough.

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by Port Royal on Dec 14, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I almost agree with you about Manning being the greatest, but not in my lifetime – only since 1998.

In my lifetime, I have to go with Joe Montana.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Luck would be great to have, but trading up to #1 would be just too costly. This team proves time and again that it lacks talented depth at all the positions, and we need to maximize our draft picks.
Now on the other hand, say we wanted someone like Robert Griffin. The earliest he should be picked is #4 overall, assuming the first three are Indy, St. Louis, and Minnesota. Moving up from #10 to #4 overall is something I could go with. According to the draft value chart, if the Bills traded their 1st, 2nd, and their second 4th round picks, they’d be able to move up to #4 overall. This would be a pick I could go with.
We’d end up with the #4 overall, and still have at least one pick in the 3rd through 7th rounds.

I’d prefer Griffin because he has plenty of upside and would cost less to get.

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by DanRoc on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Although this...
According to the draft value chart, if the Bills traded their 1st, 2nd, and their second 4th round picks, they’d be able to move up to #4 overall. This would be a pick I could go with.
We’d end up with the #4 overall, and still have at least one pick in the 3rd through 7th rounds.

Is something Id be 100% behind as well.

If we come out of this draft with somehow getting Luck or RG3, Ill consider it an A+.

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

we need to maximize our draft picks.

When was the last time we actually did that?

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by ChipShot on Dec 13, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be… Never!

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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think passing up a chance at a franchise QB to add defensive help is just as costly.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

What about this?

Give this years 1st, 2nd, 3rd, both 4ths and our 5th round pick to Indy, in exchange for the #1?

Thats 6 draft picks and all could be used this coming year to make Indy better for a short window with Peyton.

Also this way we dont have to give up anything for 2013.

Im not sure how the chart matches up with this for what each draft position is worth, but Id have to imagine that Indy is coming out on top here, as far as total points is concerned.

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Out of your mind..

We wouldn’t make the playoff for 5 more years if you did that..

by RiddickBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

How so?

Id rather give up mostly all of 1 draft, than the 1st half of 2 consecutive drafts.

That and Im sure that who ever does trade for the #1, if Indy will part ways with it, will have to overpay (in draft picks) by a lot. Its not going to be a even for even trade. Youre going to end up having to give up more than what that #1 overall is worth. Why not try and do it all in one draft, and then use the 2013 draft to your full advantage?

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They haven’t made the playoffs for 12 years, having used nearly all their available draft picks.

Why? They have had TERRIBLE QB play. Horrendous. It’s a joke, really.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d vote a hesitant yes, but I also think it’s a fantasy

by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

This is my take, as well.

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by stetzwebs on Dec 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Love it but it just is not going to happen.

I think our best realistic dream is that with the Colts taking Luck and some other QB needy team (that picks before us) getting P. Manning then maybee we have a shot at RGIII or Barkey just out of the top ten.

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by jbbillfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

No one is going to trade the opportunity to get Luck without serious crazy impossible compensation.

You’re probably talking 3 1’s, a couple of 2’s, and a few mid to late round picks before Irsay/Polian even consider taking the offer.

IF Luck is what everyone says he is, Indy could have their QB for the next 10-15 years AND get a serious boon from trading Peyton Manning.

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by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Crazy folks

No one player is wortg setting your team back 5 years.. Luck is good but our defense needs fixing.. A TE is needed.. And we don’t have the pieces Luck had in college to make him successful yet.. So build and then get a QB when giving the opportunity without imploding the future of our team..

I’m more comfortable with getting RG3.. But a top WR, CB, or OLB would make me smile too(in that order, OLB last bc we have Eddins)

We can’t give up our future we’re too close to throw it all away for ONE PLAYER..

by RiddickBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 1:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

And we don’t have the pieces Luck had in college to make him successful yet

Andrew Luck doesnt exactly have the most dynamic playmakers around him in Stanford. Our playmakers are miles ahead of theirs.

OLB last bc we have Eddins

Really?

Now Id love RG3 too if we cant get Luck, but we’d have to move up to get him as well.

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And do you really think that EDDINS is the future at OLB?

Really?

Just think about it for a second. Does having Eddins on the PS/inactive game day roster mean that we should wait a round or two in order to draft an OLB if the right guy is available in the first round? Because I don’t.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not sure if you misunderstood me...

Im in the same boat as you are… I dont believe Eddins is the answer to our OLD problem. FAAAAAAAAAR from it.

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Relax

What I’m saying is our defensive weakness doesn’t compare to getting a QB first round unless it’s RG3, trading up for Luck is ridiculous.
Also, was not saying Standford is a better team than Buffalo(don’t even know why you would think that) but that in college it’s easier to play with less offensive weapons.

And with Eddins, I just think he’s better than any rookie in the draft this year. RG3 WR or CB should be our 1ST RD pick

by RiddickBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Never said a college team was better than a pro team...

All Im saying is that Luck has had no weapons that are considered very good by any means. His top WR from last year went undrafted.

And Ive said all along that Id take RG3, but we’d have to move up for him as well, allthought we wouldnt have to give up as much, but it also takes two to tango. The other GM has to be willing to part with the pick, and theyre only going to take what they want.

But if Luck is really worth what Peyton Manning has meant to the Colts over the past 13 years, then he is absolutely worth giving up esentially an entire draft for. Weve had multiple drafts that have done NOTHING for us over the past decade, if we got Luck, and he is what experts are saying he will be, then that alone is a huge win for a draft class.

Put it this way, if we were the #1 overall pick and drafted Andrew Luck, he panned out to be amazing, but rounds 2-5 were complete busts, was that draft class successful?

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

People constantly pose the Q on whether or not it’d be worth it to have given up an entire draft for Manning or Brady. I think we all know the answer there.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

And with Eddins, I just think he’s better than any rookie in the draft this year.

I’m very thankful that your not a scout for the Bills.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And for that matter, if Eddins was better than any rookie coming out this year he would already be on the field. He’s not, so I don`t see how that argument holds any weight at all.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Turns out I did understand. happy we`re on the same page.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems easier to find FA help anywhere other than QB. Why not go all-in for that QB, then actually spend money wisely on defenders who’ve shown an ability to succeed?

Luck will cost the franchise signifcantly less than finding a FA QB. Add in the money saved by not having to pay all those draft picks they traded. Boy oh boy, do they have some money to spend!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Luck's Supporting Cast

I haven’t watched since the USC game, but what stood out to me was that Luck has a bunch of TE’s playing receiver for him. Not exactly a powerhouse supporting cast. Imagine if that kid had some serious blue chip talent around him – he would have been killed it.

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by oompaloompa on Dec 13, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

all he really has is 2 big TE’s. Neither of them are burners, theyre just big, dependable guys down the middle. They dont have much at WR and they have a pretty good running game.

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by bflo on Dec 13, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Doug Baldwin has had a great rookie season in Seattle and the LT there is a top 10 pick – I hear what you’re saying, but you don’t go 11-1 and make a BCS without some serious talent

by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 13, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you're saying...however
No one player is wortg setting your team back 5 years..

Our drafts over the past decade have set us back, over and over again. So, why not sacrifice a handful of future busts for an almost certain franchise QB that will get us all excited?

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by ChipShot on Dec 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

why not sacrifice a handful of future busts

buddy nix’s drafting as GM (2010 and 2011) has been much better than this line would indicate.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 13, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?
buddy nix’s drafting as GM (2010 and 2011) has been much better than this line would indicate.

Much better? I beg to differ. Spiller has been a waste of a top ten pick. I believe he is loaded with talent, but we won’t see it in Buffalo. Carrington and Troup have both underachieved. As for Dareus, even Buddy couldn’t miss on that pick.

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by ChipShot on Dec 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Carrington has underachieved??

why do fans say this he has played well. Troup has been injured, so i guess he has underachieved. And clearly Bulaga would have been a better pick over Spiller, but i think Spiller will end up being the next 5 years after Freddie.

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by tomcs on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, really. nix has had 18 draft picks here (7 of which were from rounds 6 and 7 mind you) and i believe he got no less than 7 good football players from them. plus im not counting moats, batten, spiller, troup, easley, j.white, c.white, or jasper, all of which are still with the team and all of which are too young to be labeled bad players yet (yes, even spiller and troup- the resident punching bags).
7/18 isnt a very bad batting avg at all for an NFL GM, especially when its fair to say that at least one or two of the names mentioned above should develop into good football players. that puts buddy nix at at least .500 so far for the bills.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 14, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

but the problem is that we need home runs, not singles – I don’t dispute that 7/18 is a decent number, but there isn’t a stud in the group (Dareus will be soon)

by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

secondly, “getting fans excited” better not enter my general managers mind at any point in time when making personnel decisions. fans dont know what they are doing. thats why they arent running the team. getting fans excited doesnt win football games

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 13, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he’s a “sure thing” but there is no such thing in the NFL. Just looking at QBs taken in the first, there have been some very serviceable quarterbacks thrust into the starting rotation as of the past 2 years or so which is a good sign of how prepared QBs are coming out of college these days. Still, betting the farm on someone is a huge risk knowing how many first round QBs end up (i.e. jamarcus russel, couch, leaf etc), gotta err on the No on this one

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by B3@$TMoD3 on Dec 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Voted YES.

I’m completely and utterly BORED with the Buffalo Bills right now. I don’t even get excited for the games anymore, and I used to have season tickets just last year!

With a 29 year old starting QB who is (most likely) close to his ceiling potential wise, I just can’t get excited about the future, either. Considering I’m a guy who believes success in the NFL is largely dependent upon QB play, I have been just waiting for the Bills to pull the trigger on their “franchise QB” for a few years now.

Trading for Andrew Luck, no matter what it takes (literally, no matter what), would instantly get me excited for the future of the Bills again. Only selecting a first round QB would have such an impact on me, and getting Andrew Luck would obviously be the best case scenario.

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 13, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

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by ChipShot on Dec 13, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. So bored! I left last weekend at halftime and didn’t feel terrible about it.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Left the house; was not in attendance.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Voted no.

No matter how good Luck appears to be right now, there is no such thing as “sure thing.” And this team has way too many holes to invest that many picks in one player, no matter how great he is “supposed” to be. The Falcons going all in for Jones made more sense for them because they were already a good team that was looking for that difference maker to push them over the top and help them get from “playoff team” to legitamate “superbowl contender.” The Bills on the other hand are in the middle of a complete overhaul and trying get from bottom dweller to playoff contender. They still need so many pieces to get to “superbowl team” that giving away all the picks required to pry Luck from the Colts hands, (which would be way more than it took for the Falcons to get Jones) would be too costly. What good does a young, up and coming Franchise QB do for a team that still needs at least two starting OLB’s, a CB, a WR and legitamate depth across the board with no serious draft picks to use to fill those holes? And thats if Luck turns into the player everyone expects him to be. Imagine what would happen if he’s the next bust in a long line of first round QB’s not to make it in the NFL. Kiss being a contender away for another 8-10 years. Just my opinion, but I think he would be way too costly to go after.

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by Schwing9 on Dec 13, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

No matter how good Luck appears to be right now, there is no such thing as "sure thing."

Nothing is a “sure thing”, that’s true, but given all the information out there about him, he seems well worth the risk

by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 13, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Worth the risk of drafting 1st overall? Absolutely.

Worth the risk trading away 3 first round picks, 2 second round picks and 2 fifth round picks (if not more) to move up and get him? That is where I politely dissagree.

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by Schwing9 on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing you have to ask yourself is if in the next 4 years will there be a QB as talented as Luck available for the Bills to draft? Go for the best when the best is around. They could build that defense up and never get a franchise QB. The revolving door could continue. Look at the Vikings. The year they got Favre, he went off and they were one dumb play away from a SB. Without him, they’re largely neutralized.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I want to say yes, hut im gunna go with no

We will most likely win 1 or 0 games the rest of the year. We will have a high pick and will be in the running for a QB or BPA. Fitz is good enough to win games if you have a D that does not let up 30 points a game.

We need to spend some money on a pass rusher and a WR.

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by billsoferie on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

No way.

This team needs more than a QB and trading the farm would certainly set us back.

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by HardBeingABillsFan on Dec 13, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

What's the difference between trading the farm and...

drafting a handful of bust picks?

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by ChipShot on Dec 13, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Ralph can not be that senile, can he?

This team has more holes than a good piece of swiss cheese. As it stands right now and given the Bills record for horrific first and second round busts, it will take years to build through the draft. Trading away any of those picks that might be a fluke(for the Bills) and actually be a great player only sets this team back further. Lets face it, the Bills look to be at least 3-5 years away from even having a shot at being competitive and thats only if they suddenly learn how to run a football team at OBD. They should keep every pick they have and hopefully they make a coupe of mistakes and actually get a couple of good players in the first or second rounds.

by popey on Dec 13, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

This team has more holes than a good piece of swiss cheese.

I can’t help but look at a team with and then without Peyton Manning then ask the inevitable – does it really matter what the rest of the team does?

To a point – sure, but if one player can make that much of a difference to a team then what’s the difference how many holes that team has? If this guy is truly the best QB to come out since Peyton Manning and we can see the difference in the Colts with and without Manning then why wouldn’t we give it a shot?

by J2 on Dec 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Colts

Is it just me or does it seem Colt’s aren’t trying very hard? Yeah Manning’s great but 0-16? Please.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re trying. But they’re trying with Painter and now Orlovsky. Whoa nelly!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Manning’s great but 0-16? Please

Here’s what nobody’s talking about, and what I said before the season and before Manning’s injury (not that anyone really cares, lol) – the Colts were at best an 8-8 this year with him – they’re really bad almost everywhere and no matter how well Peyton could play, that team was going nowhere this season.

by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted 'Yes", but for an unconventional reason

This was a tough call, but I voted YES, because it’s the Bills we’re talking about.

1) Luck is the surest thing to come out of the draft since Manning.
2) Who the hell trusts the Bills NOT to screw up all the picks they’d be trading for Luck, anyway? We waste so many picks on busts, so why not go all in for a franchise QB?

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by ChipShot on Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Gotta admit

I went with No, but point number 2

2) Who the hell trusts the Bills NOT to screw up all the picks they’d be trading for Luck, anyway? We waste so many picks on busts, so why not go all in for a franchise QB?
did cross my mind

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by B3@$TMoD3 on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

No this should almost not even be in discussion.

If we can draft RG3 or barkley they are both going to be really good. Or maybe Tannehill Der Jaeger. We need to have our draft picks this year, we need to pick up 2 OLBs, a CB and a WR, within the first 4 rounds. We need more talent on this team. 1 player won’t change this team much.

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by tomcs on Dec 13, 2011 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

One Player Won't Change Team

Disagree, a franchise type QB would change a team alot.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 13, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yea but trading away picks would hurt more than luck would help at this point

a guy like rg3 or barkley would be a better choice to wait for.

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by tomcs on Dec 13, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But in all actuallity us getting Luck isn’t likely. All I’m saying is be nice if we got our QB before 2020.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 13, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yea i think we should draft a guy now RG3 or Barkley

I just don’t think Luck is worth 3 first rounders.

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by tomcs on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bills can’t sit back and wait for ANY QB. They’re going to have to give something considerable up just to get one of them.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Tannehill will definitely be available.

But RG3 and Barkley could relatively easily fall to us if we go 5-11. Plus if Manning gets traded to a team ahead of us, that would help.

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by tomcs on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Than based on Der Jaeger’s insight I say pull trigger on Tannehill.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 15, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i voted no, i say go get blackmon or alshon and then draft nick foles in the 3rd rd and then draft d the with the rest of their picks

by gene3083 on Dec 13, 2011 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

buddy nix: “whats it going to take to move up and grab luck?”
polian: hangs up phone, laughing

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 13, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

I voted NO and I think Luck will be the next Peyton Manning

It is just to much to give up. With the Bills inability to attract top notch FAs, they need those picks badly to patch the many holes the Bills have on offense and defense. As much as I would love to have Luck, you don’t need Peyton Manning or Luck to win a SB….sure it helps, but plenty of great QBs were first round picks just not the number one pick in the draft. The ‘83 draft is a perfect example……what if the Bills would have traded the farm to get Elway? I doubt they would have been able to amass the talent that made them a great team. As it turns out, they didn’t have to. Could this draft offer a similar opportunity? Luck, RG3, Barkley, Tannehill, and Jones…..seems like a pretty strong group of QBs. Do CHIX have the ability to look beyond the “no brainer” pick and identify a franchise QB?

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by Joe P. on Dec 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

No

I voted No because I feel that giving up that much would most likely set us back in the future and would hinder the success of Luck. But even if the Colts would decide to trade their first pick, which I doubt they will unless the package they’ll receive is a no brainer. There’s no way the Colts would pick anyone other than Luck. I think that if we trade all those picks it will hurt our defense greatly. I think that in order to be successful you need to build up a solid defense first.

by billsfan26 on Dec 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!

TRT, Rec’d.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 13, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you Sarge

for helping me attain my first green post (at least since i posted as “Ren Diggity” and admittedly, i wrote too often as a “drunken screenname” then, as brian would call it. haha.

I appreciate that even though we don’t always agree, mutual respect can be attained, and maintained.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 15, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember...

This idea gives me flashbacks to Ditka, the Saints and Ricky Williams. That didn’t really pan out too well. Unless OBD began investing HEAVILY in free agents (getting them here in the first place seems to a major problem for one reason or another) this would be a horrible idea just based on the lack of premier talent currently on the roster. I think this draft class is going to resemble 1983, and we should be able to land a great QB if we end up with a top ten pick. Jim Kelly may not have been John Elway, but he was still awesome.

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by dougflutie on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Gimme one Jim Kelly over 4 John Elways

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by B3@$TMoD3 on Dec 14, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Voted NO.
If I were a betting man, I’d say the Bills don’t draft any quarterback next year.

by JapanJohn on Dec 14, 2011 3:16 AM EST reply actions  

Yes. Absolutely. Any team should. Indy isn’t going to give up the pick, and if they were, it wouldn’t be easy for a team to slide in.

The rookie wage scale makes drafting him a non-factor. The Colts can likely secure their future with him behind center, completing a task not too dissimilar from the type of success the 49ers had from the 80’s until Young retired. (Yes, Young was stolen from TB.) There couldn’t have been a more perfect season for Manning to be out and for the Colts to stink. 1 HOF QB potentially done. Well, let’s draft his replacement, the guy whom most believe is his equal in potential.

But…if the Bills could do it, i’d say giving up the bulk of 2 drafts wouldn’t be too much. Insanity? I beg to differ. Look at the last two drafts the Bills have had. You wouldn’t trade vitually every pick for a QB like few others? (I’ll give Dareus a hall pass.) I don’t care if there’s potential he busts. All this year’s picks, plus rounds 2-7 next year. Get it done. Get that QB. They have enough money to get fancy in free agency and to do it right, fixing the defense.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I don’t care if there’s potential he busts.

Sorry, but I don’t really think this is true. Because, should he actually bust, after we trade the world away, and our team not only gets set back a decade AGAIN… there is a good probability we wouldn’t even have a team. So, really, I call your bluff. I doubt that ANY player’s potential is something I would hinge my whole team on, given our current status. IF, and that is a BIG IF, he had the supporting cast in place already, and moving past a wasted draft or two was possible, perhaps i could agree with you.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 15, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll add this as food for thought:

Should the Colts draft Luck, it’s likely we’ll see what difference he can make on a team with no defense. That Colts team all around isn’t too different than the Bills, in terms of talent, ability, and being terrible. So anyone who says the Bills need to fix the defense, i’ll present the Colts, who likely could benefit as much as, if not more than, the Bills by getting tons of picks to fix the denfense – but who won’t go that route, passing on an elite QB prospect.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

my 2 cents

Luck will be a Colt. I had similar surgery to Peyton’s…a C4-7 fusion, a titanium plate, 8 screws and 3 grafts. It knocked me out of the work force and I wasn’t an athlete.
Peyton at 36 (or any age) will not have much, if any, more career left. He can’t take that pounding.
It’s a moot point. CBF’s hyperbole above, is not far fetched. We could go Mike Ditka-like and Indy won’t bite.
Time to look elsewhere for our franchise QB…P.S. he’s not on the team.

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by fansince60 on Dec 14, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

He’s definitely not on the team. Their franchise player is a RB many consider too old to be counted on after this year.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Why not

Fitz…Two first rounders..two second rounders…:)

by Jeremy Galton on Dec 14, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

of course, we could build a great defense and win

with a run oriented offense………

nah………..

Buffalo??????

do the smart thing?

maybe……………

time will tell……..

i would be shocked if Gailey sticks with spread again…….

play to your strength; the O Line.

Build your weakness (Pass Rush)…..

by simonpure on Dec 14, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

there ya go

thinking outta the box. hahaha.

seriously.. i couldn’t agree more. about everything but Gailey sticking with what he has done for basically forever. this is the system. I don’t like it either, but, It is what it is. I would love to see it expanded to the point where guys can line up in some real run formations and pound the rock some. good teams wear down the opposing defense by grinding long drives, controlling clock, and playing stiff defense. We do none of these. We rarely sustain drives, and when we do… we move pretty quickly. We never pound the rock. and our pass rush is so bad, that you think we would or could make up for it with run defense, but we are pretty darn terrible at that too. Sad. Just plain disappointing and sad.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 15, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No

Andrew Luck is overrated just like Cam Newton was underrated.

If there was a time to move up and grab a QB it was Newton when we held a valuable 3rd pick.

Andrew Luck is not as good a prospect as everyone claims just like Cam Newton was not as much trouble as everyone claimed. I thought so last year and I still do, Cam Newton is the better NFL QB. Luck is not worth an entire draft.

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by poz on Dec 14, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

heck, Cam Newton was the better college QB too

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by poz on Dec 14, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Did Lynch have issues his first season in the NFL?

Nobody doubted his physical skills. Cam’s has yet to face his biggest criticisms.

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by Joe P. on Dec 14, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

they certainly doubted his personality and lockerroom effect

when all evidence pointed to the contrary – that he was a leader charismatically as well as by his actions and work ethic.

Hes showing so again in Carolina.

Isnt Marshawn on a 7 game 100 yard, touchdown streak?

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by poz on Dec 14, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yep....but not as a Bills

I still say drafting Cam would have been a mistake for the Bills….not a good fit for the city. And let’s not be to quick to put Cam on to big a pedestal. He still has a long way to go as a QB, and the expectations for him this year were low. Don’t get me wrong, I hope he does well and proves me wrong…..I just think his toughest days are still ahead of him.

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu

by Joe P. on Dec 14, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe but the guy has all the tools

and is showing he can make them work at the NFL level.

I just think Andrew Luck is on too high a pedestal. I agree, Cam has a long way to go, but Im not on board with this two year notion that Andrew Luck is already enshrined in the NFL Hall of Fame. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he was a bust.

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by poz on Dec 14, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Hall of Fame is just crazy talk right now, but

I would be shocked if he is a bust. Guess it depends on your definition of bust……Loseman was a bust….no way he is that bad.

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu

by Joe P. on Dec 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

HaHa

Yeah kid is blowing up fantasy leagues point wise, probably leading entire NFL. All that and hes a roookie NFL QB. Yeah his worst days are ahead. Granted winnning is what matters but this kid is I’ll repeat a rookie!

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by buffalobacker on Dec 15, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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