Report: Bills Sign DL Jarron Gilbert Off Jets' Practice Squad
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 9:20 AM EST
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The Buffalo Bills have signed defensive lineman Jarron Gilbert to their active roster, according to a tweet from Jenny Vrentas of the Newark Star-Ledger. Gilbert was on the New York Jets practice squad, and will be guaranteed a spot on the Bills' 53-man through the rest of the 2011 season.
Like tight end Fendi Onobun, whom the Bills signed a week ago, Gilbert is an athletic prospect who hasn't yet found solid footing in the NFL. He was drafted by the Chicago Bears in the third round of the 2009 NFL Draft after a successful career as a defensive end at San Jose State. He made waves by jumping out of a pool prior to the draft.
The Bears waived Gilbert in September of 2010, and the Jets signed him to their practice squad. He spent less than a month on their active roster in 2010 before being released and re-signed to the practice squad. After spending camp with the Jets, he was among the final cuts and placed back on the practice squad. He was released and subsequently re-signed to the Jets practice squad in November.
To make room for Gilbert, the Bills released LB Antonio Coleman. It's unlikely Gilbert will be active this weekend when the Bills take on the Miami Dolphins.
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Solid pickup
Worth a shot. That kid has a ton of potential still.
Probably going to be Chandler to IR, I’d assume.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I was guessing Kamar Aiken or Chandler. They have 3 TEs on the active roster and another on the PS so Chandler does make sense.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Bears have a lot of D lineman
I believe he was cut as a numbers move.
Looks like the Bills version of free agency is signing people off other people’s practice squads. I guess it is cheaper though (sarcasm)
And to a certain extent remarkably effective
If you consider last years additions.
"God all-MIGHTY! God all-MIGHTY! Why do we DO that?!! God all-MIGHTY!!!" "Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys."
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Yeah, I like this move. It’s low risk, and high reward.
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by maestro110584 on Dec 17, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
If we didnt sign guys in free agency this would be fair, but we do so its not
I don’t get why people resent this behavior. It’s astute, especially with the season over and the IR list climbing, to use open spots to steal prospects. Sure they are longshots, but they are better than signing bad vets and it appears to produce contributors.
If someone other than the Bills GM was doing this, I’m guessing there would be a contingent complaining our front office isn’t creative and looking at improving the team all ways possible like . This to me is indicative of the complain no matter what they do behavior. ITS PROVEN EFFECTIVE, how can we crackwise at a proven tactic?
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 17, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
my 2 cents
i have questioned nix’s draft and personnel decisions on several occassions… so much so that i have lost faith…
but we all HAVE to give credit to him in his handling of waiver wire and practice squad raiding…
i dont remember ever in the jauron era that we got so many high draft prospects from other practice squads… rinehart, urbik, gilbert are all 3rd rounders…
by statcruncher on Dec 17, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
How many
How many of these perennial practice squad guys actually make it as a solid contributor in the NFL. The percentage has to be awfully low.
Same as last year
Nix started raiding other teams PS about this time last year and it paid off with starters Chandler and Pear…
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
Rinehart and Urbik as well.
They are all football players, and there is an unadvertised network for scouts and administrators to monitor these players. The system works, brings in players so you can persue play makers in drafts and FA.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Jarron Gilbert.
He was signed off the Jets practice squad, not the Bears, although he was drafted by the Bears. It’s about time we picked up someone for our DL. I know you don’t want to give up on guys too soon but the guys we have up front just aren’t getting it done who do you replace, that’s for the coaches to decide maybe it’s some one on the 2nd string but at some point you have to give someone else a chance even if they don’t practice well, some guys are gamers, and just don’t give you a lot in practice until they get real playing time. It’s unfortunet but in sports it’s just one of those things that can’t be explained, but when your not getting good production out of your known commodities then you have to see what you have in other people, you just might find a pleasent surprise. So I say kudos to Nix and or Gailey. I hope Jarron Gilbert turns out to be a good pick up for our team and that it’s proven to be so sooner than later.
He was signed off the Jets practice squad, not the Bears, although he was drafted by the Bears
That’s what it says…
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
antonio coleman was released for the addition of jarron gilbert
by kitchentwister on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions
Noted and changed in the story. Thanks.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
They released coleman.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Aiken and Eddins need to play this week, see what they got
And Jarron Gilbert by next week just put him in tell them what to do if they don’t know the playbook.. We need to see what we have in these players for next year in real game action besides ST
by RiddickBillsFan on Dec 17, 2011 11:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
couldnt the same thing be accomplished in the preseason?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
why wait?
Get them real reps. Preseason is a sham. Then you are in a better position to know what you think they can contribute next year, if anything.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 17, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not just the preseason games. It’s the entire six weeks of practice. And you don’t need to wait to put them in the game, but you do need to wait to make any kind of judgement on them whatsoever because that preseason is needed to make anything that even resembles the right judgment.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
I don’t see the point of waiting to get them reps or evaluate them until training camp.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 17, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
why wait?
It’s too risky I think. Why risk them getting injured just b/c we the fans want to see what they have in live game action right now? Even though they’re practice squad players they’re still valuable to this team to some degree, otherwise Nix wouldn’t have taken the time to scout them and bring them in. Suppose they get hurt in the last two games. Then what? Depending on the injury you may be put in a position to have to wait for them to get healthy during the offseason when that’s the time Nix and Gailey should be evaluating them. There is no rush. Also, suppose they flat out ball in these next two games. That would be great to see, but so would it be for the rest of the league; some of which may be interested in offering said player(s) a more attractive contract than we would. Using the offseason to further evaluate these additions is the safer move in my opinion.
Noy really
Preseason is every veteran guy trying not to get hurt, while rookies are out trying to prove himselves.. There’s more to it of course but fact of the matter is preseason doesn’t give you the best guage on players at full speed. A few stand out above eveyone else(Aiken, Eddins). Give them a shot when we are clearly out of the playoffs and see what they got. Can’t hurt us any worse then we are. Give them some full speed action, we might have 2 hidden gems.
by RiddickBillsFan on Dec 17, 2011 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we might have 2 hidden gems.
They won’t be hidden if the rest of the league sees them shining. We probably just signed them to the league minimum to finish out the season. If they shine guess what? Everybody will see it and they just might be offered a more attractive contract to play elsewhere next season. If they are “hidden gems” as you say, then they need to remain hidden.
I agree boomsauce. You learn much less about a player in one NFL game than you do in an entire offseason. It’s the Brian Brohm situation all over again. You don’t really get to see what a player has got in a game or two. Pick a couple games out of Fitz’s career or even this season alone and tell me that you can make an accurate judgement of the player he is based off those games.
Both Aiken and Eddins will be back in training camp next year and their performance there will determine their future chances with the Bills.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Martin and Young
Why do we still have R Martin and Sam Young on the roster? Young is probably expendable and Martin has shown very little other than on STs. I would rather see Aiken get some reps than keep Martin active. I would also like to see a bit of our PS monster tackle/guard/maneater M Jasper before the season ends. Wonder how he’s doing.
CC Infantino
Martin has shown very little other than on STs.
ST’s play is very important. That could very well be the reason he’s getting playing time over Aiken. ST’s is where you prove yourself or reprove yourself (McKelvin) as a player, unless you just have extraordinary talent that will be better suited elsewhere on the team. As for Jasper, I think Nix said at one point that moving him back to the O line was strategic in terms of keeping other “practice squad vultures” as I would call them away from him. They knew he was better suited on the offensive side of the ball to begin with. Smart tactic if you ask me.
Cool. I remember watching that video, impressive.
Hopefully this another Chandler or Pears, and not a Meredith.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Dec 17, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what are they doing? does anyone understand?
we now have 9 DL and 7 LB in the team… i thought we were supposed to be 3-4
DL – carrington, dareus, dotson, edwards, gilbert, heard, kyle moore, spencer johnson
LB – barnett, batten, davis, kelsay, moats, morrison, sheppard
i am not counting spencer as an LB no matter what… which 3-4 has more DLs than LBs? if anything, they should have cut a DL and tried to add another prospective OLB…
is this an indication that we are switching back to 4-3 next year… does this mean nix has finally given up on george edwards and wanny wants to go back to 4-3?
I think it’s an indication that they are moving back to a 4-3, yes.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Cant tell if this is sarcastic or not
STAN UP MY BUFFALO NATION OUR DESTINY AWAITS AND WE WILL GO TO THE END OF THE LAND AND FIGHT FOR ALL THATS BEEN DENIED TO US - abayarde, who else?
It’s got to be sarcastic. Also, Buffalo wouldn’t sign another 4-3 DT if they were headed back in that direction. They actually need LBs more than DTs for that scheme.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
No I disagree. It is quite common for teams to change their entire defensive philosophies, often firing and hiring coaching staff as required, to accommodate signings off the practice squads of other teams. I think Pittsburgh did this last week.
:)
by Munchausen on Dec 17, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 17, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
double rec'd
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I think the signings they have been making as a whole indicate a shift, yes. Not this one signing. I also think the fact that Spencer Johnson has been at “OLB” shows they want bigger bodies in the front 7 and a 4-3 would do that.
Of course that could be me reading too far into it.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
pretty sure you are.. troup, moats, batten, and chris white have no business playing in a 4-3. i also think that carrington, dareus, and sheppard are questionable, but ultimately are better fits in a 3-4.
i find it hard to believe nix would want to revert back to a 4-3 when practically all of his draft picks thusfar have been geared to a 30 front. half the guys hes brought in would immediately be way out of position.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
agree w/ what you’re saying generally, except
Moats- I thought his best plays last yr were from the 4-3 Over type formations. he’s big for 3-4 MLB, and small for 3-4 OLB. wouldnt that make him just right for 4-3 LBer?
Dareus would still be a disruptive beast as 4-3 DT, exp next to Williams.
Shep- should do just fine as 4-3 LBer.
the rest, you have a good point, Carrington to DE ?
Carrington
He can drop weight and perform just fine in a 4-3.
disagree on moats. size doesn’t matter to me so much as movement skills. i dont think that guy can cover ground quick enough to play LB in a 4-3. as a DE in a 4-3 hed get dominated.
like i said dareus, carrington, and shep are debatable. i just happen to think they are better fits in a 3-4.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Troup is the only one of the people you list that even matter. He would be a fine rotational DT in the 4-3. Dareus and Williams would be epic in the middle of a 4-3 line.
Sheppard would be fine at MLB. Chris Brown even mentioned that today.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily...
Found a bit of “tape” on him, and he plays all over the D line. True, he was lined up as a 4-3 DE multiple times, but he also saw time as a 4-3 DT AND as a 3-4 DE in more or less equal amounts. Sorry for the poor quality but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHoBtyuof_A
Regardless, I have to say I really like this pick-up. D-Line is kindov a sleeper need for the BILLS next season since: 1) there’s no guarantee T.Troup will play again, 2) Spencer Johnson and Dwan Edwards are gonna be 30 and 31 respectively (and that’s getting up there in age for non-elite talent). 3) K.Heard isn’t exceptional and routinely gets pushed around. 4) Lionel Dotson is more or less a mystery, despite getting a few snaps last week
That leaves Dareus, K.Williams and A.Carrington as next years starters with a lot of ?’s as depth behind them (which is obviously important as this season attests to)
Moore is a hybrid lb project and I am.gonna guess the same thing with this guy. Get young athletic prospects see if they can convert to yhe hybrif olb de they seem to like.
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by matthew62 on Dec 17, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if you missed anybody, but you only listed 8 lineman. And like matthew mentioned, the Bills have been playing Kyle Moore at OLB. So, it’s 7 DL and 8 LB.
i am not counting spencer as an LB no matter what
If only the Bills would do the same thing.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
I wouldnt read much into it.
A lot of these players are on one year contracts. This is about next year, not the final few games. I wouldnt count up guys and conclude anything, just trying to get a prospect in the door who may or may not stick, like most of those depth players. Not intending to keep all of these guys next year.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 17, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
It’s tough to have a problem with this move. Formerly highly thought of prospect. And I like going this route in looking for DEs. The whole “failed as a 4-3 guy, but we like his frame and skill set and are going to ask him to do something entirely different than his former 4-3 team” idea. There’s upside to the general notion of taking an athlete and asking him to do something different than what he failed at doing previously. It’s David Nelson coming out of Florida or dare I mention Aaron Maybin! Not that it’s even remotely likely to work out in any notable way, but I like the mentality of a move like this.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Just some thoughts
He is 6’ 5" and 285lbs. Drafted in 2009 and listed at a DL which is a tackle/End. 285 lbs would be light for a DT and considering he has been around a couple years he could have a hard time gaining the extra weight needed to play there. His measureables are not bad for a DE and that is an area that the Jets and Bears are not really week at considering that they are both known for being a strong defensive team. These measurables are also ideal for a OLB position, minus about ten to fifteen pounds. Add in the fact that he must of been considered strongly enough for a team to select him in the third round would indicate an unfounded upside to his game, it could be argued that the Bills may be interested in him to compete at the OLB spot going into next offseason, camp and preseason. We have had some success with former third round picks off other teams practice squads. If anything it should strengthen our depth. It is kind of hard evaluating all of the players when your starting two DT’s have been out all season and that position is supposed to be such a difference making position.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Seems like that is likely to be the last we see of Coleman with the Bills.
He’s a good LB, our DC just sucks and our team doesn’t buy into his plan anymore. #wastingtalent
More talent coming in
How many guys are we going to bring in. What about Kyle Moore and where is he. Did Michael Johnson play under George Edwards and if so what type of people fit this guys system? There is some talent at the OLB position coming out in the draft but how many times will we draft talent and have no one on board to develop that talent.
Scour the wires...
Scouring PS"s and waivers for players that have potential are Nix and Chan’s strong suits.
Bills are going to get another strong draft in and become contenders. Their drafts will then be layered—from rookies to 2nd year to 3rd year. It is a time to sow the riches or say Oh No we f*#ked up AGAIN!!!
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"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
@ MattRichWarren I said that, He was signed off the Jets practice squad, not the Bears, although he was drafted by the Bears, in support of what you wrote, because CGoetz posted the following, BEARS HAVE A LOT OF D LINEMAN. I BELIEVE HE WAS CUT AS A NUMBERS MOVE. Then I went on with my comments, so I don’t see why you took issue with that, maybe I should have just said YOU already stated that we got him from the Jets PS not the Bears!
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