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Dolphins 30, Bills 23: Who Was Calling Buffalo's Defensive Plays?

During the radio broadcast of yesterday's 30-23 loss to the Miami Dolphins, Brent Axe of the Buffalo Bills radio network passed along this little tidbit: John Murphy and Mark Kelso had mentioned on-air that Dave Wannstedt, and not defensive coordinator George Edwards, was calling plays yesterday.

I was listening to the broadcast, and didn't hear Murphy and Kelso say anything about Wannstedt. If Axe said it, though, it's trustworthy. And, obviously, the news created a few intriguing waves in an otherwise routinely dull day watching and discussing a Bills game.

This morning, however, Bills cornerback Drayton Florence told WGR 550 that Edwards, not Wannstedt, was calling the plays.

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When Axe tweeted during the game that Wannstedt was calling plays, I was floored. Not because it was surprising that Wannstedt was taking a more active role defensively - that possibility still exists (I may even call it a probability), and it's certainly warranted - but because I found it so surprising that Chan Gailey, who's big on continuity, would make such a drastic change in-season.

Now Florence says that Edwards retained his play-calling duties. It's hard to imagine Florence having a reason to lie about that - and he's not the player that would lie, anyway - so for now, I'm inclined to believe the player. But this is still the first time that we've heard of Wannstedt potentially having a more influential voice in Buffalo's defensive game planning and execution on Sundays. If you weren't convinced that Edwards' proverbial seat is balmy, you should be now.

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And happy to hear it.

I was just sayin’ that blah blah blah .. he should be a top pick………. blah blah blah …… he’s the heat ……… swear word, cuss word……. blah blah…. I want Tebow ………. blah blah….. Buddy sucks …….. Chan sucks …… blah blah……..
- SERGEANT MAJOR THOR

by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m still amazed a certain amount of the population doesn’t understand that the sun is one of those billions of stars.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Post game interview

Someone asked Chan in his post game interview if Wannstedt was calling plays, he responded with a very curt “no”.

by ra001m on Dec 19, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I thought I was imagining that recollection

It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.

by radan on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

They definitely said it on the broadcast. I tweeted it.

Drayton Florence said it’s not true on WGR this morning and Bryan Scott told Joe Buscaglia the same thing yesterday.

by MattRichWarren on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

But what the players are responding with could be company policy, in not adding to the drama or creating waves in the media.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Usually they would say something off the record but we haven’t even heard of an unnamed source.

by MattRichWarren on Dec 19, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not impossible that theyd be lying about it to save the media storm.
but for what its worth, was there an obvious difference in the way the defense was called yesterday? i didnt think i saw anything out of the ordinary. a lot of 4-3 looks with bryan scott on the field, and a few 3-4 variations on the early downs

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Even if things were changed up yesterday (which it didn’t seem to be) it still could have been Edwards calling the defense. When you’re consistently bad, it’s worth trying something new.

But with Chris Kelsey and Spencer Johnson as your OLBs you’re probably going to struggle regardless of play calling.

by Pistol on Dec 19, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

defense and positive notes

either way, it’s both the players not executing and coaching not coming up with the right plan and preparing the players for the game. either the players are just that young and dumb or coaching just sucks…or both.

some bright spots: #23 Aaron williams, Dareus and that returner/CB Rogers, and Bird. Bird had a nice deflection ripping the ball away from Marshall on a would-be TD by the ’Fins, Williams stripped the ball from bush causing the fumble. he had a big hit on a runner too…a couple other pass break up looked ok too.

Fitz is just suckin complete ass right now, throwing to who knows where and making very bad decisions. oh, and what was up with the pass protection from the tackles?

by rickyd-2011 on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Byrd was also flat-footed

and poorly positioned when Bush broke one of his runs. But he is a bright spot.

by Ono on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

it's just hard to see how they have they're good moments, and then they let up big plays like that. just sucks and hard to see.

by rickyd-2011 on Dec 19, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

O line does it again

These are the newly minted tackles. Pears was given a big contract and he sucks wind.
In the first half he had a holding call, whiffed on a rush by Wake and let Fitz get sacked and then a personal foul for a facemask. I stopped counting after that. Wake made him look like a high school tackle.
You guys on this board talked last week about how good he is???
Come on. We need a good line and these guys are horrible.

by HotinAZ on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Love this, one guy struggles and the entire OL is horrible. Black or white statements, they don’t do it for me.

by Fixxxer on Dec 20, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

Fitz hasn’t changed and when did reading comments on this blog that O/L was better mean they were invincable? Better in Buffalo means a work in progress going forward. This turn around in Buffalo is gonna mean a greater influx of talent and time. But alas somethings never change. Fans will get new coach and another “set of downs” for OBD to squander. Wash ,rinse and repeat.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

So where do you see the word “invincable” in my post. If you are happy with the holding, personal foul and just plain getting schooled by Wake then I guess you deserve this line……….LOL

by HotinAZ on Dec 19, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

moot point

it doesn’t matter who rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic. In other news, the ship will likely get 8-9 new chairs to rearrange come April, all for one side of the ship most likely.
Ice Berg? What Ice Berg?

"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake

by fansince60 on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It’s not even remotely a moot point. We could be talking about a major coaching change brewing here.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 19, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, IMO, the problems on offense (i.e. QB first, foremost) put the defense in bad situations. Regardless of who calls defensive plays, the “hole” is almost impossible to climb out of. Due to offensive blunders, this team finds itself behind 15-20 points early and, then, has to rely on the arm of an inaccurate QB who is even more inaccurate when the opposing defense pressures him and the OL.
Until some attention is paid to that side of the ball, the defense is destined to being in the same situation repeatedly.

"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake

by fansince60 on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

One the season, the defense is by FAR the bigger problem still. This was one of the few games where I felt the offense is what totally stranded us (Jets 1 is the other). I’m not gonna buy the story this defense just needs a decent offense to success, cause when the offense was decent, they still stunk.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not trying to sell the story. I’m just saying that, poor offensive play, is exacerbating the problem, to the point that, no defensive “guru” even the likes of Rob, Rex, Buddy Ryan, Wade Phillips et al. would make a difference, so swapping out Edwards for Wannstedt certainly won’t.

"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake

by fansince60 on Dec 19, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s a reason Wannstadt is in Buffalo and it isn’t because he’s a hot commodity.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

'tis the reason

The same reason as Fitz, Chan, Buddy, and…

"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake

by fansince60 on Dec 19, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to think a defensive guru would make a difference. It’s made a difference other places.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 19, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if you are right, Edwards and/or Wannstedt are not gurus, thus neither would make a difference. Hence my comment.

"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake

by fansince60 on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but the point posters like myself and squirrel are trying to make is that the defense is the biggest liability on this team by far. there have been a couple games (giants, bengals, jets 2, titans) where one defensive stop either ends the game and bills win or gets them the ball back to score. and in those games the offense was somewhat effective so you can argue the bills had a good possibility to win.

you can obviously argue it in reverse but make no mistake about it the NFL is still a, defense wins championships and the offense gets you to the playoffs, league.

by Air Compressor on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest Liabilities

QB and OBD.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. I wonder if they understand how terrible the franchise is?

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Except a new captain could want to get there safely and not to set the trip across the atlantic speed record causing the titanic to have the ability to go around the iceberg.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Dec 19, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Wannstedt did call a few plays but that the bulk were called by Edwards.

Either way i don’t see Edwards lasting past the end of the season and am starting to fully expect Wannstedt to take over as DC next season with most likely an LB coach that specializes in the 3-4 to keep the long term transition to the 3-4 alive.

Actually scratch that. I’m thinking that the “hybrid” is here to stay, but more in the form that Arizona does it, or that Dallas used to do it. I’m also expecting Meatball to be a “DE” next year, but really in our scheme it wont make much of a different. Unless we line up in a full 3-4, he’d still be lining up on the inside.

All I know is that something has to give, because our D is getting worst, even if he have the players to be a good D. So to me this is falling on coaching more than the players right now.

I was just sayin’ that blah blah blah .. he should be a top pick………. blah blah blah …… he’s the heat ……… swear word, cuss word……. blah blah…. I want Tebow ………. blah blah….. Buddy sucks …….. Chan sucks …… blah blah……..
- SERGEANT MAJOR THOR

by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Does anyone think Gailey will axe Edwards at the end of the year?

The media and fan pressure will be great to do so. I am wondering if Gailey will have the confidence to do it though.

by dabillsr1 on Dec 19, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Does anyone think Gailey will axe Edwards at the end of the year?

he should. Edwards just hasn’t shown he can do the job – although I still believe it’s the coach’s fault, I really can’t tell if the players deserve some blame also. if the coach called for something to go down and then the players didn’t do it ‘cuz of a lack of effort then….there ya go. then again, what do we know. we;re not playing. you think yoiu know…but ya just DON’t know.

Spenc Johnson is too slow and NOT an OLB! we need a real one – that has a nose for the ball. Merriman might have been that guy – another case of the injury bug to Buffalo.

by rickyd-2011 on Dec 19, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree that players are playing out of position and right now OLB is the worst of it

Last year it was ILB we had a lot of depth issues with and couldn’t stop the run. Then we had injuries at OLB too. Batten and Moats would be guys that we would like to be that OLB type of player but neither has been effective trying to replace Merriman. Kelsay is Kelsay and nothing more.

by dabillsr1 on Dec 19, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

A coach figures out ways to get players to produce or ride the pine…simply put…this is Edwards mess whether its fair or not! The question shouldn’t be whether Gailey has the confidence to cut a coach…it should be does he have the balls to let one of his buddies go. Gailey basically surrounded himself with coaches and players that have old ties and that he knew were subordinate, regardless or how good they may or may not be. The problem is that everyone in the FO (and too many fans) seem to have confidence in a 9-21 record head coach, and a last in the league Defensive Coordinator, and a $10million plummeting QB…and they all vouch for each other! I have a sad feeling that we will be watching disappointing football like this for a while!

by monk43085 on Dec 19, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't agree

How on earth can it be a coach’s fault if his players aren’t capable of executing his game plan? He has little control over his roster — that’s the GM’s job. I frankly don’t know where the fault lies — with Edwards or the players — but if Chan Gailey is convinced the problem is that Edwards doesn’t have the talent he needs but is making all the right moves otherwise he certainly shouldn’t jettison Edwards just to satisfy some fans who want a symbolic and meaningless gesture.

Having said that, I got the sense that the Bills’ D played a lot better yesterday than in recent games and were essentially undermined by an offense that kept turning over the ball either by picks or 3-and-outs. If that’s true, I wonder if it was because Wannstedt was at the controls. And if Chan was quietly trying to see whether it made a difference having Wannstadt as the signal-caller and he found out that Wannstadt is better than Edwards, then he should let Edwards go. But ONLY if he (Gailey) is convinced that the problem lies to a significant extent with Edwards.

by Macktruck on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I am going with a combination here.

Listening to the Chris Brown one on one with Chan, it was mentioned by Chan that the defensive coaches, he believed have constructed a game plan that would serve the team it’s best attempt at a win. What I get from that in hind sight is that it is possible that Edwards possibly supplied the defensive packages where Dave may have supplied the pressures. Either way it IMO isn’t the best way to do things, as it is not the best way for Chan to have so much control over the offense. We could be seeing the beginning of to many rosters in the hen house where Chan may need to seperate himself from the coupe and bring in new life or appoint new life on both sides of the ball. Next season needs to be a season breaking attempt by Buddy and Chan.

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by VanScottM on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

It's bad talent as much as bad coaching.

And not just at OLB. DE with Edwards and Carrington is a huge weakness. Sealed on off tackle runs too often and no pass rush capability, both would be backups on many teams.

by Rick A on Dec 19, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Don't forget

Jake Long was out injured. Could you tell?

by Rick A on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

And Matt Moore didn’t practice all week…and is decidedly NOT Tom Brady.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's both

It’s both to be this bad.

by Coach Bob on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because edwards wy das calling out the play does not mean he was not getting help or just repeating a play. If wantstedt was calling plays from the booth and chan does not want players to know that switch was done florence would be wrong.

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by matthew62 on Dec 19, 2011 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

When Reggie Bush runs for 203 yards on your defense, I doubt anyone would admit to calling the plays.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

we should change Edwards' title to "defensive uncoordinator"

Edwards shouldn’t just be on the hot seat, he should be on the electric chair. He hasn’t done a single thing to make anybody play better. Every week, they seem completely surprised by anything the opposing offense throws at them, as if studying game film is a foreign concept. In short, there is no “plan” each week on how to stop key players.

Injuries are no excuse. Sure, there have been injuries and some players are in positions that don’t fit well. However, Perry Fewell had less talent to work with and almost every single starter was on IR by the end of each season, yet the defensive unit still played far better than this mess. I remain convinced that Edwards is in over his head and should be fired no later than January 2nd.

by SiriusRed on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Edwards shouldn’t just be on the hot seat, he should be on the electric chair.

I’m not gonna flag it, but that’s going a little TOO far, Sirius.

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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

Sounds like a great point to me. If you want political correctness try politics.

by Coach Bob on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I agree with the Fewell comment, Fewell managed a game better. He found a way to put his players in a position to succeed, it ’s what separates the good coaches form the average coaches.

by Coach Bob on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No,

Political correctness be damned! You don’t suggest killing someone for coaching poorly – you fire them, that is all. We’re not far enough away from black men being lynched by mobs that we can take words like this lightly!

"Teams that don't deserve to win.... usually don’t. Today is no exception." -- Mr Huge Pecs
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 19, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I could have been calling the plays from my couch and it wouldn’t have mattered. This defense is horrible!

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by dnvrBillsfan on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Just as much blame...

…should go to the offense. Being at that game it was clear that any time the defense provided ANY spark to the team, it was completely ruined by the offense. Good teams take advantage of their opportunities, however small, like preventing a touchdown and only giving up a field goal. I get sick and tired of the boring pass rush, but more often than not there’s more at stake than just the play call. The offense not getting first downs, the opposing team being able to figure out where the holes are in scheme that’s being run, and the lack of talent as a whole. I’m still critical of Edwards, but just making sure we keep everything in perspective here.

by youcrazy on Dec 19, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

0 fer 11 on 3rd down is terrible. 0 fer 23 against the Aqua guys this year.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 19, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Vicious circle

Both units are taking turns now messing up. When one does good, the other finds a way to mess up, that’s why we have a 7-game losing streak.

by Coach Bob on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sick of hearing how the reason the Bill’s defense…moreover…the Bills as a whole are only bad because their best players are hurt and they have poor backups. Guess what, you’re right, but that is the team we have! These are all paid NFL players and therefore there should be no excuse. In the world of business, if you are being paid and your best equipment breaks but your boss is too cheap to buy you great new ones, then you make what you do have work or you get fired! If a coach can’t get results out of backups, then football should just be cancelled every time there are any substantial injuries! I mean, backups can’t be expected to play at that elite level so why bother.

by monk43085 on Dec 19, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

Since Wanny was in the press box

Maybe Edwards was just relaying the calls.

by Coach Bob on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe Wanny

Maybe he was just assisting having a birds-eye view of the formations.

by Coach Bob on Dec 19, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

whoever calls the plays

can we please just put a LB at LOLB, and let Moats get after the passer? do we have something against creating turnovers or something?

I can’t wait for this misery to end. Lose out… onto the draft.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

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