Bills Owner Ralph Wilson: Ryan Fitzpatrick Not Going Anywhere
by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2011 10:16 AM EST
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In comments made to John Wawrow of The Associated Press, Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson confirmed that quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't going anywhere. Wilson also said that Fitzpatrick needs help at receiver, tight ends that "don't get hurt," and blaming injuries for the team's offensive slide more than anything else.
"Listen, we’re not giving money away," (Wilson said) referring to the six-year $59 million contract extension Fitzpatrick signed in late October. "We think he’s a good quarterback, and we’re going to stick with him and get him some better players, get him some runners, some tight ends that don’t get injured and some wide receivers and we’ll be OK."
During the Bills' seven-game losing streak, Fitzpatrick has completed 57.7 percent of his passes for 1,570 yards with an 8-to-12 TD-to-INT ratio. He has been the subject of warranted fan criticism for weeks, but Wilson's comments only re-affirmed the obvious: Fitzpatrick is this team's quarterback, and will be for the foreseeable future.
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I cant really disagree with Ralph. The receivers suck. I do think Ryan gets too panicked when the rush is coming and his accuracy is back, but I havent lost all faith.
To an extent
Outside of johnson and nelson nobody truly stands out
roosevelt catches everything he gets his hands on but we are lacking a real speed threat
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by Gpluehri on Dec 23, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Doubt
I have been offered more free tickets to see the Bills this week than I ever have.
I am not gonna sit in the cold to watch this lousy on field product, even for free.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Tickets are going for 99cents on stubhub.
Its ridiculous, I know its Xmas Eve… but if the team was better, itd be packed.
Its sad.
Come on Buffalo, please?
Someone needs to wake up and smell the fruitcake.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I dont get Wilson at all...
He talks about “not giving away money” but doesnt he know you need to spend it (wisely) to make it? If he were to cut ties with Fitz, and somehow get a Luck or a RG3… its going to fill the seats, its going to sell jerseys, its going to sell merchandise and concessions, and hopefully get us into the playoffs.
Half empty seats is “giving money away.”
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Dec 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're being generous.
Half empty seats is "giving money away."
With the holiday, and the free tickets I have seen floating about no one wants, I could see this being a Kay Stephenson era crowd of about 30-35-000 attendance.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Trying to be positive....sooooooo
If I remember correctly, this time last year Wilson said the team would be taking a QB. Come draft time, we took Dareus……just sayin.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
again, if the reports are true, the Bills can opt out of most of Fitz's contract
so they won’t be wasting old man Wilson’s money that he can’t take with him anyway.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but I am assuming Fitz starts the season as the starting QB no matter who we draft
If we draft someone like RG3 or Tannehill, I doubt Fitz would finish the season as QB
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
7th day of league year next year.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tickets are going for 99cents on stubhub.
Is that true? If it is that is truely sad-:(
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
Well, it’s a tough week, with the two holidays and the team STINKS. They show up when the game has been decided.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better
I heard Chiefs/Raiders tix were also going for as low as $.99 on StubHub – and we have a snowball’s chance in hell of making the playoffs and it’s against one of our most hated rivals.
I think Christmas Eve is compounding things dramatically, and while I agree that if either of our teams were beasts right now the stadium would be packed… but right now it is what it is.
All that being said – I sure hope you guys put the hurt on Denver this weekend. All I want for Christmas is a Buffalo win (and a Chiefs win, and a San Diego loss… and roughly the same thing next week too, lol).
by Ochophosphate on Dec 23, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I have been offered more free tickets to see the Bills this week than I ever have.
I was just talking to a co-worker who happens to be from Buffalo as well. He told me his buddies back home couldn’t even give their tickets away…
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 23, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Last year, around mid-season, Mr Wilson was stating his belief that a QB would be acquired via draft. That didn’t happen. We shall see what events occur over the next six months.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Dec 23, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Exactly.
Just like they did with Chan’s comments about not having yet thought a QB in the first round (which is the right answer to make with the season not yet over), everyone reads way too much into comments made about future seasons months and months before they are even in a nascent stage.
If the Bills somehow acquire Luck/Manning (and to a lesser extent Griffin), the chances Fitzpatrick has of remaining on this team drop like a rock regardless of what Mr. Wilson says in December of 2011. Personnel decision-making in the NFL is all too often a volatile, capricious business and all comments like the one Mr. Wilson made should be viewed in that light.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’m really concerned with Ralph Wilson continuing to make important decisions, or at least statements about important matters.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats what makes me mad.
Hes the boss, so people in the organization have to listen to him… but he shouldnt be calling the shots on draft picks. This is why we’ve been in the position we’ve been in this decade. Hes meddling.
Come on Buffalo, please?
And clearly, buy his statement, its because he doesnt want to waste money.
“Listen, we’re not giving money away,” (Wilson said)
Which I understand… but at the same time, he should be wanting to win at this point in his life… you cant take that extra $20mil you might save to the grave.
Come on Buffalo, please?
Who Knows???
you cant take that extra $20mil you might save to the grave.
Maybe he’s found a way, by selling off family member’s souls or somethin?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
You can take it to the grave….you just can’t spend it anymore.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 23, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Who Knows?
Maybe Hell has improved it’s currency exchange system?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s meddling. I think he’s just not willing to accept that it’s time to move on from being an owner. It’s like taking away an elderly person’s ability to drive.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
True. Its somewhat similar.
I know my grandpa is 92 and still drives every day… but whenever we get back home to Buffalo for the Holidays and my dad will end up yelling at him, telling him he shouldnt be driving, which he honestly shouldnt be… but he still does.
Its sad because theyre getting towards the end of the road and still want to hang on to the little they have
Come on Buffalo, please?
Yep
Its sad because theyre getting towards the end of the road and still want to hang on to the little they have
Gotta love them. My Mom is 90 and as sharp as a tack, but, no longer drives. She complains about it every day. It’s another mile post (albeit a bad one) on that road you mention.
"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake
Yep.
I know he drives 1 mile, both ways, to Tops every day for what hes going to cook for dinner that night. And I know its only a mile, but you never know what could happen, and I have a feeling hes been flipped off or high beamed quite a few times within that one mile drive.
It sucks.
Come on Buffalo, please?
Hate to say it, but it is time for your Dad to take the keys
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
It’s sad to learn why most elderly people go shopping for food on a daily basis. For some, it’s just part of a routine, and keeps them going in their day.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
And the post office, gas station, and favorite lunch diner.
Gotta have a reason to get out of bed.
My Father in Law.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 23, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well let's hope Ralphie is right about Fitz.
Because if he surrounds him with more stuff and the team still plays like this.
I see blackouts….lots of local TV blackouts.
When will this nightmare end with the people running this franchise?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions
I have a sneaking suspicion that if they don’t draft a QB next April, the fans won’t fill the stadium.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Right. It may be year two where I spend no money on the team in any form. I’ve drawn my line in the sand.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I know with jerseys, Ive started going the China way.
Other than that… I dont spend much. Except splitting season tickets with my dad. But even thats just more “sentimental” and a I dont want to give these seats up becauses theyre so good.
Come on Buffalo, please?
I haven't spent money on the team in years.
I only wear my tshirts. I only buy tickets from fans. I only park in offsite lots. I don’t buy beer in the stadium.
This was the first year in forever that I didn’t go to a game and I had people offering me free tickets constantly.
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by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
The stadium lots are a joke.
Nothing but drunks that throw beer bottles and break them on the pavement. ITs like $35 to park there, where 3 houses down the road its $15, beers are waaay too expensive. No way would I ever buy their beer, at least in the FNC its a double beer, not 16oz like RWS, for the same price.
Come on Buffalo, please?
Nothing but drunks that throw beer bottles and break them on the pavement
Wow, way to generalize. There are alot of good people who also park in the stadium lots, who appreciate the short walk to the gates. I’ve never had problems parking in the stadium lots. And the cost is $20 w/coupon, $25 without, not sure where you got the $35 figure.
The beer does cost a bit too much and $4.50 for a water is robbery.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Dec 23, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well I know theyre not ALL drunks who break bottles.
But I know multiple people who have got flats leaving that place because people smash their bottles on the ground.
And still $25 parking is pretty expensive, sure the short walk is nice, but I think its more of a hassle parking up there.
Sorry to include you in that.
Come on Buffalo, please?
No one in Buffalo should charge $25 to park for a single day. That’s the cost of a parking ticket.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I want a qb. but they are not in good position to take luck or rg3—the only two worth drafting—unless they trade the house. history tells us tge bills aren’t gonna do that
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by chaucer on Dec 23, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You trade that house. You trade that house like no tomorrow.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dang
Tight ends that don’t get injured…. way to throw ’em under hte bus man!
we’re going to stick with him and get him some better players, get him some runners,
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions
Just what we need.....
More 1st round running backs, doesn’t this guy learn anything? McGahee, Marshawn, Spiller. Doesn’t Ralph learn what a waste 3 1st round picks on RBs in a decade to a team (And throw in that 2nd rounder for Travis Henry too)
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair (and I’m fine with taking 2nd round 3rd round backs) all of those guys had talent.
The first one was just a giant King Richard the III and wanted out. He was good for us though.
The second one was as mature as a two week old scotch. He did perform well though.
The third one is a toss-up but has been showing his playmaking ability recently. He’s still TBD.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Dude is what, 93, and probably don’t have the same ability to frame his sentences as he’d like. It’s not a slam on him, it’s just reality.
It’s borderline insane that someone that age is running an NFL team.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
You would think his attornies, the NFL, someonem anyone
would step in at this point and basically tell him he cant still be the owner or at least, a major head of the team, but that he needs to let the football operations and decisions up to those better suited.
Come on Buffalo, please?
I seriously think being an owner is what’s keeping him going. Keeping him here. It keeps his mind churning, i’m sure.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
well even though this isnt a free country anymore it still is free in most senses and he owns the team so he can do whatver he wants. he could let a monkey or chimpanzee run it if he wanted to its totally privately funded and he doesnt answer to anyone other than the man upstairs
by Air Compressor on Dec 23, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Ralph Wilson was saying that they’re taking a running back in the first round again.
People: STOP FREAKING OUT. Let what happens happen.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha.
Rec’d.
Even though this article is kind of baiting the anti-Ralph crowd into coming out of the woodwork.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
usually i’m right with you Brian and you know that – but if this franchise is sold on Ryan Fitzpatrick and won’t even look at upgrading (which may or may not be true) then I simply cannot support this regime and owner anymore.
by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Especially when Nix main philosaphy and first thing he said when taking over was
“Stacking players on players”
Come on Buffalo, please?
I think Brian is pointing out what you said when you say it may or may not be true that they aren’t looking at upgrading a QB. He’s just saying to wait and see what actually happens. I would add that is especially important considering how often NFL front offices say “no/yes” and do the absolute opposite months later.
Now, Nix/Gailey may have a major disconnect at what constitutes an “upgrade” at QB compared to the majority of fans (for example, passing on Griffin if he’s available would upset me and I am a Fitz supporter). If/When that happens, I will totally be a sad panda with you, J2.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard Brian say
to wait and see what actually happens
If we followed that advice, he might as well shut down the site until late April.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, in all honesty.
Do we really have any other choice but to wait and see what happens? We have no control other than withholding our financial contributions and with NFL TV deals nowadays and revenue sharing it seems that matters very little to the Bills.
We do the same thing with the weather, politics, and NASCAR, but it doesn’t mean people still don’t sit around and discuss it almost every day without freaking out.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
of course we have to wait and see what happens, but to not talk about what we think we happen??????
That doesn’t sound like much fun at all, IMHO. And I don’t consider what we say hear freaking out. If someone actually takes this so seriously that they feel like jumping off a building or it gives them ulcers….then yeah, they need to stop freaking out.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhhh, April of what year?
"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake
better be 2012...because the Bills need more talent in a hurry!!!!
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Thanks, Joe. You completely missed my point, but gracias.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 24, 2011 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
WOW J2
I have always respected your optimism and hoped one day that I could return to that level of “fandom”. But, this and your comment below:
See you in, what? 2014, 2015 or something for our next chance at…….going to the playoffs even…???
makes me think you are heading more in my direction than vs.
My main beef with CHIX is their unabashed support of Fitz.. Raplh says we need to get better receivers and TEs for his targets, yet, his accuracy isn’t going to be changed by “better” receivers…he can’t hit the open ones we have now. He needs a better arm, more skill, and more talent. That isn’t going to change. So, what’s the point?
"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake
As Nix would probably say with regard to his unabashed support of Fitz...
“When you’re in the middle riding a mare across a raging river, you don’t tell it all about how the stallion on the other bank would be getting you there better and faster.”
Or something like that. With a drawl.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
makes me think you are heading more in my direction than vs.
I have to – I have no idea how they can have complete confidence in him. He’s widely inaccurate and takes awful chances. If they have no desire to look for an upgrade then we’re just finished until this regime is out. They are pinning their hopes on a lost cause – an exercise in futility.
he can’t hit the open ones we have now.
exactly – I even saw Stevie get frustrated a few times against Miami when balls when sailing way over his head. Better receivers are not going to fix his accuracy issues.
by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm
Makes me cringe that there is some truth in rumours I’ve heard. Mcgahee held to under 1,000 yds on purpose to avoid clause in contract. Could good all Ralph be kinda way old school? Would answer lot of questions as to why no one wants to go to work for Ralph Wilson and his Bill’s! Say it isn’t so Ralph. Sell team and enjoy the FL. sun.
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Dec 23, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm right there with ya, J2.
I can’t even express how much I agree with you. I would be ok with the Bills doing ANYTHING to get a guy like Andrew Luck. Don’t care what the price. If the Bills somehow got Luck, I would instantly be re-energized in my Buffalo Bills fan-dom. I can’t even imagine what a feeling it would be…I’m getting excited just thinking about it.
How can One Bills Drive really not see the crazy need for a new, talented young QB….someone the entire fanbase could rally around, get excited for, be relevant again in the NFL? Do they really not see how, if you take a chance on a first round QB and hit, how your entire Franchise can be rejuvenated? It’s the ultimate silver bullet. Hitting on a Franchise QB is one of the only ways to counteract the effects of a so-so run organization. Not even Ralph Wilson himself could keep a guy like Peyton Manning from making the playoffs every year.
I’m just so ready for something new. Why can’t One Bills Drive see this?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
“Listen, we’re not giving money away,” (Wilson said)
And to your point, I think fans are about to take the same attitude. They are not going to give their money away, either.
"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake
by fansince60 on Dec 23, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said...rec'd
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
My intense desire for a Franchise QB comes from
my belief that this organization will never be the Pittsburgh Steelers. They will never be that team that drafts well, has the best coaches, has a mindset like Pittsburgh on defense and an attitude that they are the best, etc.
Thus, if you don’t believe that the team you root for can ever really be a Pittsburgh or Baltimore where defense is a way of life, and you can make the playoffs consistently without a fantastic QB, then the only other way is to get lucky with a Franchise QB.
Where would Indy be without Manning? Where would the Saints be without Brees? How does Detroit play without Stafford? These are Franchises just like Buffalo….organizations that don’t have reputations for being the best-run organizations or history of being awesome defensively. The reason they get better is because they acquired a Frachise QB.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
-Alex Smith is a product of coaching and has a great D in SF.
-Detroit has a strong D to compliment it’s offense and the best WR in the game
-Indianapolis has been on the decline for years. Let’s not forget that Manning never put it all together until he had a legit defense and some luck
-New Orleans is loaded with legitimate weapons at receiver and a very well coached defense.
Buffalo has none of that.
The worst defense in the league. A host of weak un-drafted receivers and a number questionable number one that has dropped as many sure game winning touchdowns as he has caught.
With a gleaming new QB we are:
St Louis, Carolina, Arizona, etc…
Just a team with a franchise QB still missing all the other pieces necessary to make a serious run at anything.
by eriesimmer on Dec 23, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A team with a Franchise QB then starts to build around him
Yes, it can take a few years. But without a Franchise QB, your building toward nothing. Because you won’t win a Super Bowl, unless you have an all-time great defense.
So, give St Louis a few years for Bradford to get experience and build the team around him. They should be fine.
Same with Carolina, now that Newton is in place there.
Sorry, don’t consider Kevin Kolb a Franchise QB.
Get the Franchise QB, then you build up everything else while the QB is gainging experience. This is not a 2 year turnaround. But it you start with the talented young QB, you begin to build toward something. a Super Bowl win.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
St Louis has been building for quite some time now with limited results…Fitz may be average but i shudder to think of what building around another QB with different skill sets will do to us on a time table. I would love a new QB but facts are facts, this team doesn’t instantly improve talking a QB in the first or second. Frankly, im sick of waiting, I would like to see playoffs in the next two years…
Exactly, St. Louis has been building for years
But have just this past year decided to acquire the most important piece…Bradford. As soon as he is drafted, the clock starts on St Louis rebuild.
Hey, I’m not happy either that the Bills do not yet have the QB that will lead them to a Super Bowl currently on their team. But that doesn’t mean they should not do what is right as soon as possible….select that QB and begin to rebuild correctly.
I’m will not be happy if they put all their effort into making the playoffs for like 2 years or something, and ONLY THEN realize that Fitz’s limitations will not allow the team to get past the first round. Then we will REALLY have wasted some time.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Bradford
Was progressing quite well till injuries occurred to him. He’s gonna be elite IMHO.
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Dec 23, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I believe this board has a big problem putting the cart before the horse. Everyone is talking Superbowl and winning one with a franchise QB. Ridiculous…we haven’t made the playoffs in a decade! I would be happy if Fitz led us to a playoff game honestly (which i think he is more than capable of). I don’t remember what that feels like. I can’t even imagine Superbowl talk.
Ok, so Minnesota went out and got Favre and almost made a Super Bowl
Favre being a much better QB than Fitz ever will be, but again, he was def not the long term solution to the position on that team. And now they are back to losing, and trying to rebuild correctly….by drafting their Franchise QB in Ponder and letting him gain experience so they can one day have a windown of 8 years of making the playoffs and trying to win a Super Bowl.
Fitz is 29 years old right now. And still not a good QB. Even if he does somehow improve his game, how long of a window does that give the team to try and win?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Minnesota had a stellar defense with big names i only dream of.
I guess it’s the lesser of two evils. I don’t love Fitz’s play but this defense we field is giving me nightmares. It’s a joke that needs addressing with priority. I can’t see us going anywhere without at least a middle of the road defense statistically speaking.
Well that stellar defense really doesn't look as good this year
without good QB play now does it? I wonder why that is?
(Pst….It’s because good QB play trumps all. Case in point, Denver going 1-4 with Kyle Orton starting and 7-2 with Tim Tebow starting….same defense, different QB, different results.)
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well that stellar defense really doesn’t look as good this year without good QB play now does it? I wonder why that is?
Because defenses age.
1) They no longer have Pat Williams playing at a high level like he was through the end of 2009. The Vikings only have one DT worth mentioning and that is Kevin Williams. Outside of KW they have no noe.
2) Brian Robison is average at best. Though Ray Edwards was notoriously hot and cold for the Vikings, hit ‘hot’ was much better than Brian Robison’s play at LDE.
3) Their LB corp is past its prime. Chad Greenway is still good. EJ Henderson is solid but getting old. Ben Leber, no longer a Viking, was nothing special but still better than Erin Henderson
4) Their CBs are horrible. Antoine Winfield is finally showing his age, and now has a neck injury. Cedric Griffin has since had more operations on his knees. Asher Allen is mediocre for a 3rd round pick. As for their Safeties, well they still suck.
Brett Favre brought them over the hump. But he had a strong supporting cast.
- Adrian Peterson opening up the passing game.
- Sidney Rice was a nice relieve valve along with Shiancoe
- Percy Harvin was dynamic.
- Their O-line play was still solid when he joined the Vikings
- Their D was a force to be reckoned with, even in years preceding Favre’s joining.
They had all the pieces in place prior to Favre. There’s a reason that Favre had a magical career year and then fell off the face of the planet the next.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, alot of that is true. Their defense aged.
But it is still eye-opening to think that good QB play got them a few plays from the Super Bowl in 2009….and then bad QB play the next two years (even though Favre was QB for most of 2010) results in some terrible seasons.
I just think that the QB has the most influence on wins/losses than any one other position…and it’s not even close. He touches the ball on every offensive snap. The QB drops back on passing plays and decides where he will throw the ball. No other player on the field has that type of responsibility. It’s crazy the impact good QB play can have on the fortunes of a team, compared with bad QB play.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s crazy the impact good QB play can have on the fortunes of a team, compared with bad QB play.
Mostly definitely. I just disagree in this particular instance with the level of impact Favre had on their defense. With good QB play or even average the Jets likely would have won a superbowl when they had Thomas Jones running down people’s throats.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Very true about the Jets.
Although I do respect them identifying a potential Franchise QB and then trading up to get him. I’m not ready to write-off Sanchez as a bad QB just yet…he is def gaining some valuable experience these past few years, and if it starts clicking for him, watch out. But yes, he’s not looking too great currently, which is great for the Bills. haha
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
If we had a top five pick go for it. The only two QB’s that will def declare will be gone by our pick. I think the real problem might be this team has never truly bottomed out. Way too many 7-9 seasons and not enough 1-2 win seasons. We always seem to not be in the right position for that franchise QB. thanks for the chat Stroud! interesting stuff. hope you have a great holiday.
I agree with the never bottoming out comment
Agree with that big time actually. Always hated winning those late-season, meaningless games under Jauron. So many good players were selected right before our pick in those years (2007 draft…Patrick Willis selected #11, when Bills have the next pick!).
Def man, great convo. Happy Holidays to you as well!
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's almost as if Bills fans think they don't deserve a good QB
Like, just because we have to make due to retread coaches and GM’s who get their first GM position at age 100 that we also have to try to make chickensh*t out of chickenscratch at QB. No. We do not. We can draft a QB early in the draft. He will have to come here. We will own his rights! Why try to do everything the hard way on the cheap instead of doing it right?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
this right here is what's wrong with this franchise imo
why settle for mediocrity just b/c we haven’t been to the playoffs in 12yrs? you play the game to win the super bowl. if all you’re content with is making it to the playoffs then you don’t need to play the game. i will forever compare this team to our “glory yrs” when we dominated the afc going to 4 straight super bowls. until we win the big one, i will NEVER be satisfied as a fan. why? b/c for crying out loud WE DESERVE IT!
re: kevin Kolb
Arizona paid him like a franchise QB.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Dec 23, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Never trust Andy Reid
Buyer beware when Reid gets rid of a QB. He has traded a or let go many a QB during his tenure in Philly and the only one I can think of that has had mild success was Jeff Garcia…
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
They do
It’s just they have so many holes and they prolly won’t be in a position to get a top QB!
I agree here...
It’s just they have so many holes and they prolly won’t be in a position to get a top QB!
with Barkley not coming out that makes our chances even worse. to be honest though guys, i would be happy with landry jones or even nick foles in the 2nd. i just shutter to imagine what would happen if we didnt draft a qb in the first 2 rds and fitz gets seriously injured and we have to lean on thigpen. utterly pathetic! having a pass rush or another wr wont help either of these guys one bit. when watching fitz if the ball is not out of his hands on a quick slant route, I cringe every time it’s in the air just knowing it’s either way over/under thrown or it’s a pick. and wilson and nix seem to think we don’t need to draft a qb? c’mon man!!!!!!
You can’t even begin to tell me there shouldn’t be some concern about his words. He wants fast guys, apparently. Guys who don’t get hit and can’t get injured.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Funny
Sounds like recently departed owner Al Davis.
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by buffalobacker on Dec 23, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Concern? Absolutely. Hell yes. Extrapolating what he says into thinking that they’re going to draft Trent Richardson, and then getting pissed about it? Wholly illogical.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 24, 2011 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting stuff, seems like the qb question going forward becomes, can we be somebodys trade partner for RG3 if people still want him after he gets measured at the combine if he declares for the draft, if we gets measured at 6ft even do people still want him ? Just trying to veiw the positive side of this, and hopeing Justin Blackmon is on the board when our number comes up in april.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions
Isn't Drew Brees at or under 6'?
No, I’m not saying Drew Brees = Robert Griffin or anything like it. They do have similar looking deep balls, though.
Joe P., where you at for that one?
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
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by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think RG3 is about 6'2"
but we will have to wait for the combine for good numbers. I have one foot on the RG3 bandwagon and think he is the kind of QB Chan would love, but now way he falls to us….CHIX would have to go get him.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
I'm with you.
I haven’t watched much Griffin footage at all but with the way Chan has talked in the past about mobile-type QBs being the future, I think he would be in the Griffin bandwagon as well. I also think the team could trade up to get him (especially if the Bills end up in the 5-7 range), but Nix isn’t known for draft day trades.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Would be tough - but if you can manage to catch a full game of his, it's worth it
Everyone will point you to highlights and top plays (of which he has many) but you miss something if you don’t see him play a full game.
I wasn’t sold on the guy at all early in the season when people were talking him up. I pegged him as an athletic QB that would lock on his first target and then run when he wasn’t available. After starting to watch more of his games (I am/was a Big XII guy so I saw a few) – my opinion was forever changed. He’s solid – plays hard, has a great arm, is mobile (but doesn’t run at the first sign of pressure) and appears to be a solid leader.
Don’t forget that the guy is wicked smaat too – he graduated last year technically and has been taking Masters classes on scholarship while he can.
I’ve been impressed for sure – and I honestly won’t be surprised if he has a better career than Luck when it all pans out. I’d love for him to slide for some reason, but I have a feeling he’ll go pretty high barring any unforseen incidents between now and draft day.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 23, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's great to hear.
I’ve got the Alamo Bowl set to be recorded next Thursday and I’m looking forward to that. I’ve heard him in a couple of interviews and he seems very smart and mature for being 21-years old. He was quick to praise his team and his coaches and downplay his personal achievements. He seems to have the character of guy I could really get behind and cheer for.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
If he gets measured *
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Still optimistic about Fitzy
but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take a Kirk Cousins/Nick Foles in the 2nd if CHIX thinks they could turn out well being a back-up for a couple of years..
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Id be ok with Cousins in the 2nd.
But if Vontaze (forget the last name) LB from Arizona State is available, I want him instead
Come on Buffalo, please?
There’s a guy named Vontaze Burfict? That’s just mean.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I know a guy whose last name is Head and his parents named him Richard. Seriously!
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 23, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole, but then again I do err on the side of selecting high character players.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Eventually we need to draft a mean SOB LB.
They call this guy Ray Lewis with an attitude problem. Id be down, experts are saying hes slipping because of his attitude, hes too mean. But if he can control it, I want him, badly.
Come on Buffalo, please?
yeah hes got james harrison written all over him from the standpoint of penalties and fines…im ok with that though since it does force opposing offenses to think twice about where they run/pass the ball. the bills havent had an intimdating LB since the Takeo TKO Spikes…that mofo was scary
by Air Compressor on Dec 23, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Burfict, if this was 1970 or even 1980, he would be thought of as the best thing since sliced bread, and would be a top 5 pick, He plays like Dick Butkus, unfortunatly you can’t play football like that anymore….
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
IDK, the kid is shrivaling up and dieing because he can’t play his game,best place in the league for him to go is BALT, and learn how to play hard from R, Lewis.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly what we need...
pass on Ray Lewis’s replacement to Baltimore, because he should learn from Lewis?
I wouldnt love to finally take a chance on a guy that could be a complete game changer, and get him under control.
Come on Buffalo, please?
I’m not saying I don’t want him on the team. I’m saying he won’t work anywhere else. If he goes anywhere but to Balt. he will be a 15yd penalty waiting to happen. I want him in Buffalo but he dosen’t play sissy Defense like the league wants so it would be a problem. He is a caged beast with no way out of his cage. I personally don’t think he has character issues, his only issue is not being able to go balls to the wall on the football feild.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
How would he succeed in Baltimore, but no where else?
Just because he could learn from Ray Lewis? RayRay isnt going to tackle him before he hits a QB late or anything like that…
Eventually we need to build an identity on defense that people fear. KWilliams and Dareus are good… but I dont think a O Coord fears them… Add him, with Shepp, Barnett, he can learn.
Come on Buffalo, please?
You don’t think a D-Coordinator fears two interior d-lineman that can get 5.5 sacks in a single year with little help around them? Beyond that, you don’t think a D-Coordinator would fear both of these players playing side-to-side?
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think they respect them,
but no I dont think they fear them. A MLB in the middle of the field that makes WR’s keep theyre head on a swivel, RB’s on screens try to run before the catch, and QB’s always trying to find them pre-snap is what is feared.
Come on Buffalo, please?
I agree, like I said but you can’t play defense like that anymore. You can see the kid wanting to hit people like a freight train but holding back. It’s too bad it’s like that but it is. You may be right on bringing up barnett, he would be a good vet to learn from.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
True - but if he ever needs to kill someone
Ray can teach him how to get away with it.
Baaa-zing!!
by Ochophosphate on Dec 23, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Who needs Ray when you can talk to OJ about getting away with murder?
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You got me there
+1 my friend, well played
by Ochophosphate on Dec 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Ray could be there every day for advice.
I think OJ can only have visitors from 1pm-3pm on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Dec 23, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
A franchise QB is a must...
A franchise QB to build around is a must for a team like the Bills that has a history of little success. I’ve been a fan since the early 60’s and the Bills have had only 2 outstanding QB’s Jack Kemp and Jim Kelly, possibly 3 if you want to count Joe Ferguson.
Kemp and Kelly led the Bills to their most successful runs in team history the rest of the time the Bills have floundered. Is it a coincedence that during the awful times (which is the vast majority) the Bills have had major problems behind center—I don’t think so….
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
by Goose22 on Dec 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think I read this post earlier this morning somewhere….
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Dec 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
You're correct
I posted it under a fanpost by Stevie B….
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
I have to put Flutie in there, too.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Flutie
I definitely agree the mighty mite brought the Bills back from the dead during his short tenure in B-Lo…
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
He was like the Wes Welker of QBs.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
He was like the Wes Welker of QBs.
For 2 years, until NFL defenses figured out how to play him and make him obsolete, kind of like what has happened to Fitztragic.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
Hes the boss, so if hes telling the truth, then looks like were going to get some offensive playmakers in the draft.
But I would be terribly upset if RG3 was available when we were on the clock, and we pass. But with Barkley staying in school, that kind of screws us.
Floyd in the first, if Blackmon is gone.
McNutt or Cunningham in the 3rd.
A mixture of 2 of those guys, with Stevie, along with Freddy/CJ, Chandler and possible rookie TE… should be more than enough weapons for an NFL QB to succeed with.
Come on Buffalo, please?
Thats great
But what about the defense?? They are going to have to look at free-agency hard!
Just say no to Floyd.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions
Is that the kid from ND? If so, he seems like a bigger version of Stevie. Not terrible.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
sorry i replied but not to your reply…see below…“yes thats him but he has character issues apparently. he drove drunk i think twice? sounds like a marshawn lynch part deux”
by Air Compressor on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
So at this point, because Ralph’s “not giving money away” they’re stuck with Fitzpatrick because of the new contract. At least in Ralph’s eyes.
The thread’s title should instead read: The Airing of Grievances
Happy Festivus, everyone!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions
yes thats him but he has character issues apparently. he drove drunk i think twice? sounds like a marshawn lynch part deux
by Air Compressor on Dec 23, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions
Bruce Smith had a habit of doing that. I think it worked out okay with him being a Buffalo Bill.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 23, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
haha true but that was also 20 some years ago when it was still ok in some states to drive with an open “beverage”
by Air Compressor on Dec 23, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
They weren’t using the tight end enough when Chandler was healthy. Odd comment.
I'm not going to freak out yet...I'll wait for the draft to see what they do
But if this franchise passes on selecting it’s potential Franchise QB for the third draft in a row (since it has been obvious that one was needed), I will be done with them. I do not say this lightly, as I have been a Bills fan my entire life, and season ticket holder for 2 years.
It will be sad, since football is such a big part of my life, but it’s just a terrible feeling to not have any interest or hope in the future of the team I grew up rooting for. This was the first year I was not excited for the start of the season (from a Bills perspective) and there have been way too many Sundays when I did not even care to watch the games. The Bills have been put on notice, at least with this fan.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
looking less likely now
With Matt Barkley staying at USC for another year, there probably won’t be a true “franchise quarterback” available by the time the Bills are on the clock… just projects and career backups.
by SiriusRed on Dec 23, 2011 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I was pretty disappointed to hear he was staying in school
Gotta say I don’t have my hopes up they get Luck or RG3, but they could if they wanted it badly enough.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not happening this year.
They may take a developmental QB.
I don't understand these comments
First, our WR’s aren’t terrible. I’d argue that as a unit, they are slightly above average. Let’s see, how many wide open WRs has Fitz missed over the last few weeks? I don’t see Fitz dropping back and not having open receivers to throw to. At least not very often. Do we have an elite receiving corps, no. But I think Fitz’s accuracy is far more the problem than our WRs not being talented enough.
I don’t even know where to start on the ‘runners’ comment. Good lord, we’ve got one of the top RB combo’s in the league.
Seriously. And if our WRs are so terrible, why are they actively trading away Lee Evans?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 23, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
He wanted out and was on the backside of his career. That’s my guess at least.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Wanted out would be believable.
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
right
money isn’t the sole cause, or we wouldn’t have given him a million dollar bonus before we traded him away, we would have either traded him sooner, or just cut him. for the sake of finding out what steve was, testing our unproven WRs, and to allow Lee a chance at the playoffs at some point in his career, we did him a solid, like you would hope we would, and still got a little something in return.
Chris Hairston as a matter of fact… I believe.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 23, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine Richardson in the 1st.
We joked about this for the past few months, but with a comment like that, this joke could turn true.
Come on Buffalo, please?
If we pick Richardson in the 1st we better change our offensive philosophy and be the first team with 3 × 1000 yard rushers in the same season.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Why????? Who is going to be the other two????
Spiller who Chan is already limiting his carries because he doesn’t think he can take the pounding, or Jackson who they will most likely let walk out the door?
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Jackson is here for another year and if Spiller keeps playing the way he does he could conceivably get 1000 yards in a manner similar to Jamaal Charles.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Evans should have been here too
If Jackson does get a deal and asks to be traded…..CHIX will probably give him away to the Pats for a 6th round pick in 2057.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
derp......if Jackson does NOT get a deal
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
One thing I don't understand
is why you can’t sign a 30 year old RB to a multi-year deal.
Is it not conceivable to give him a decent signing bonus, not elite but not pennies either?
With said signing bonus you give him a modest yearly salary for a RB. Once again, not elite but not pennies.
Lastly, and this is most important, you jack up the value of his performance bonuses. If he puts up elite numbers, he earns elite money because his qualifiers for yards and TDs makes up for the modest yearly salary/signing bonus.
Basically, it’s performance based. If he performs like an elite RB he gets paid like one. Best of all, the Bills aren’t on the hook for a huge contract if he under-performs or breaks down due to age.
TL;DR Sign FJ with a decent signing bonus, modest yearly salary, elite production qualifiers in contract. Conceivably fair for both sides and doesn’t hamstring Bills if/when FJ breaks down.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
First, this is Jacksons last chance at a big contract and he knows it
I wouldn’t blame him for wanting out if the Bills won’t pay him top money. He was the leading rusher and a MVP candidate before getting hurt. Second, production qualifiers could become meaningless if CHIX start giving his reps to Spiller…..why should he take the chance? There will be plenty of teams…..playoff caliber teams…..looking to scoop Jackson up, especially with the Bills history of giving players away for next to nothing.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
There will be plenty of teams…..playoff caliber teams…..looking to scoop Jackson up, especially with the Bills history of giving players away for next to nothing.
This is true. Honestly, if I was the Packers I would use a first to get Freddy. The first would basically be a high second, and with one of the best backs in the league (good rusher, good receiver, great pass blocker) he would be a fantastic fit.
Can you imagine trying to stop Aaron Rodgers/Greg Jennings/Jordy Nelson/Jermichael Finley and Fred Jackson all on the same offense?
You throw safeties back to stop Jennings/Nelson/Finley and leave yourself to get gashed by Freddy whether it’s on the ground or 5 yard curl routes.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
yep.....but they wouldn't need to give up a first rounder
most likely a 4th….maybe a 3rd if CHIX took their man pills that day.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Hmm
No choice, they’ll keep Choice over FJ just to avoid paying FJ better money. Good old fashion hard ball! And Spiller will split carries with Choice. It seems to be all about the $$$
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Dec 23, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Richardson...
I know I’m in the minority but I wouldn’t mind if the Bills took Richardson. To me he is the next Adrain Peterson, he has power, break away speed and is a load to bring down. He would add power to the Bills running game. As Freddy winds down his career Trent would be able to step in, him and Spiller would eventually be quite a duo.
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
by Goose22 on Dec 23, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd because it is true and you had the guts to say it
This assumes, of course, that CHIX have no interest in taking a QB
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
This assumes, of course, that CHIX have no interest in taking a QB
unfortunately that’s how it’s looking – if you’re reading between the lines between Chan and Ralphs comments.
See you in, what? 2014, 2015 or something for our next chance at…….going to the playoffs even…???
by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
we might be able to make it to the playoff one time with Fitz....
just not going to get past the wildcard and won’t be a perennial contender.
But yeah….unless Ralph is blowing smoke or being used to feed other teams disinformation about our draft targets…..we are screwed…..AGAIN!!!!!
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is where I disagree.
As evidenced by the pursuit of Harrell, we are aware that we are lacking a suitable backup. Given the fact most teams have to play 2 QBs, at SOME point during the season (people have been quick to ignore the fact that Fitz is still rarely sacked, and has also has started every game)… We not only HAVE to pursue another, WE ALREADY HAVE!!!
Just because FItz is the starter, doesn’t mean we don’t need upgrading, that we don’t need to provide him competition, and that we don’t need to develop a guy for the future. All it means, is that they will continue to believe he COULD be good enough, until it is a certainty to them, that it isn’t simply his lack of help around him, or a defense that can help him stay in the game, and at very least manage it… while we look for the guy of the future that Buddy has said over an again that he will select, if he is the 10-12 year “franchise type of guy” that he knows we need.
To paraphrase: Fitz is a stop gap. We WILL need a franchise QB in less than 4 years anyway, so I don’t know why people are so quick to assume that it makes more sense to throw someone in the fire right away with nothing around them, when we can design and install systems, and then get guys that understand… and THEN get our signal caller of the future. That is why I don’t understand not stressing the run more. It only helps with the continuity we have been lacking for so long. Vermeel believed that a QB needs 32 starts for you to fully evaluate him. That means Fitz still has a few more games, and we are still likely to consider the future.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 23, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
maybe looking to upgrade Thigpen – but do you honestly think the Bills are actively looking to upgrade Fitz right now?
Would they move up to select Luck or take RGIII if he fell to them?
If Luck is the best pro prospect since Manning and then you look at how Manning and Brady win with bad defenses and run games then why wouldn’t you take a guy that can win in spite of those deficiencies?
by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
with Barkley not coming out- we are out of the running for a first round QB. But, as i commented on your previous post about Luck- just because we aren’t necessarily taking one in the first, doesn’t mean we can’t get a developmental prospect in the second, or third, and have them learn the system for a few years. Like you said, yes we are more likely look at an upgrade for Thigpen, BUT, if Fitz really is as bad as we believe, then won’t they be just as likely an upgrade to him by default as well? Perhaps that is assumptive, and more than likely it is wishful thinking, but it doesn’t mean that if we had Matt Flynn, or Graham Harrell on our roster (Green Bay won’t necessarily keep all three, and if I had to choose, I say they consider paying Flynn similar money to what Fitz is earning (as a mediocre, capable,and system familiar backup) for the insurance, over keeping the unproven kid, that might be tying up a roster position for no real reason, if they decide to hang onto Flynn.
If Luck is the best pro prospect since Manning and then you look at how Manning and Brady win with bad defenses and run games then why wouldn’t you take a guy that can win in spite of those deficiencies?
Of course you are right about this. The ONLY answer that can be given is this: Because he isn’t there when you pick. This is very likely the case this year. It will take WAY too much to go after those guys (wagering more than it is potentially worth for the same reasons i discussed – the lack of impact players around him- leading him to be like Bradford, Gabbert) and that just isn’t a risk worth taking, YET. We have just as much of a chance at drafting ANY GUY, at ANY spot, and giving him multiple years to develop, with a better supporting cast, than assuming that taking a Manning, Brady, Cam, Gabbert, Locker or whoever is going to just come in, and instantly make you a winning team. Because, the fact is, that Brady had a defense, Manning is a freak, and Cam, Gabbert, and Locker are all on losing teams, along with Ponder. We need to work on the line, the run game, the defense, and ironing out the systems, and then we can worry about who is the signal caller of the future.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 23, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
those are basically the 2 ways of doing it – draft one later or move up and mortgage the future.
personally I’d be willing to mortgage the future on a guy with that pedigree. QB is too important and has too big of an influence on a team.
as per Brady – the pats have the 32nd ranked defense and are probably going 13-3. he’s just like manning and Luck looks to be of that mold
by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 5:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i agree
I think though, that if we choose to mortgage the future, it might be more than just the success of the team, but the team itself.
Additionally, we might be able to still have the opportunity to do both… select early enough to take one, as well as add talent, instead of one or the other. By “wagering” the future of multiple drafts, on one guy, who has nothing around him… Look at Stafford. He had nothing, except Calvin, and a then 1st round Pettigrew. He has been injured for 2 seasons because of that, and now that they have some defense, they have some offense, Stafford has success. Look at Sam Bradford- he was selected 1, he has just as much ability as most, better accuracy than most, and he has NOTHING around him. Their defense is improving, after having many drafts spent on it, and their offense lacks any weapons other than ancient Steven Jackson. That is the situation you would give to Luck, should he be a Bills player. AND- you gave away your chance to change that for 2 years, at least. Or, you can go the route Alex Smith/Jason Campbell, and change their system/coordinator every year….
I personally want to go the route of the Steelers with Ben, or Ravens with Flacco, or the Falcons with Ryan, where we build a line, learn to run, build up a defense, and THEN add my tall, talented QB, and let them learn to take good drops, and play action, and build them over time so you can expand the offense. For whatever reason, Chan prefers to keep it simple for kids coming out of school, and keeping it limited to spread, and using pass to set up the run, even though the roster doesn’t dictate that regarding size of lineman, skillset of RBs/WRs and Fitz… etc.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 23, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
well there’s no bet that building everything around who ever will work either. that might take too Kong given the massive amount of needs this team has and at the point it is ready Chan buddy and maybe Ralph won’t be around anymore.
as far as stafford and bradford none of those guys are of Lucks, supposed pedigree. if luck is a once in a decade player then to me he’s worth a lot.
then the bills can adjust their strategy a bit and be more active in F.A. They have plenty of room to do it.
plus luck might fall a bit if the Colts win next week. the rams and vikings could select on front of the Colts and they have bradford and ponder so they might not take him – if they’re smart they will but if were jumping from say 8 to 3 or something then that’s not that bad.
we really have to wait to see the draft order ( something us bills fans love – the draft)
by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 7:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
as far as stafford and bradford none of those guys are of Lucks, supposed pedigree. if luck is a once in a decade player then to me he’s worth a lot.
all of the same comparisons were made to Peyton Manning for both those guys as well. Still no saying what they are, or will be, over the same time frame. Too early.
I agree order will be relevant, but only to some degree. If we are outside the top 5, and want to trade in, even from only 3-6 spots… It just isn’t happening. I mean, if you and 50-85 percent of the fanbase want to go into this draft believing there is a way… far be it from me to tell you that there isn’t a chance. But…. Chan and Buddy already basically did. We will take a QB or two for this season. We will ride it out with Fitz another year. Then we will use a first or second on a QB one of the following 2 years. A first, if Fitz is junk again this year, a second if he can keep the continuity, and we will just take weapons the next two years for him, should that be the case. Ultimately, he could be a Matt Schaub level player, if given an Owen Daniels, and an Andre Johnson, to go with a two headed monster backfield. So far, they are sticking pretty close to the Saints mold- and if they think Fitz is Brees, then look for us to find our Colston… and develop Chandler or draft a “Jimmy Graham” TE, and have 3 or 4 RBs to cycle if injured, and then plug in receivers as they are acquired… which is similar to GB plan as well.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 23, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
stafford and bradford never got as much hype as luck – lucks’ been talked about as a once in a decade type player.
and your 100% right that nix and Chan won’t move up – which is my issue with them. I would at least attempt it – they are sounding like they have no interest in even attempting it which is moronic as far as I’m concerned
by J2 on Dec 24, 2011 9:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Joe P
Thanks and a Merry X’mas!!
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
And a Merry Christmas to you as well old friend......
Soak up some sun for me :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Too hot here today
It’s in the low 80’s, believe me i wish it was in the 50’s—60’s
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
I don't want Richardson
but I agree with your thinking. I don’t care how much of a passing league the NFL is. Adrian Peterson is still a valuable asset. If I was told the Bills had the chance to draft the next AP, no questions about him busting, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Good RBs are somewhat easy to find, and contribute a fair amount.
Elite RBs are still game changers. Look at the 2009 Vikings. AP completely opened up that offense for Farve/Harvin/Rice. Without AP, and with a middle of the road RB they don’t have nearly the same success.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
wide outs
I’m sorry but i have to disagree. while i’m not arguing that fitz has been playing terrible, our receivers are not above average. we have 1 good one (stevie), our number two receiver right now is a guy who had something like 10 catches his whole career with the jets before he came here, nelson is alright in the slot but is still an undrafted player who is slow, and our number 4 is a combination of derek hagan(a guy who got cut by oakland earlier this year), and ruvell martin who is just really bad. Also, i would argue that guys are not open just as many times as fitz is inaccurate. i feel like on a lot of fitz’s interceptions that no one is open and he tries to force one instead of throwing it away or running.
by nickjangles on Dec 23, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
true words by Ralph... for the wrong reasons
With USC QB Matt Barkley deciding to stay in school another year, there probably won’t be a quarterback that Nix likes enough to draft by the time the Bills get to pick. They won’t trade up, and Luck and Griffin (assuming he does come out for the draft) will be taken before the Bills get on the clock. I don’t think Landry Jones will be what Nix and Gailey will be looking for, so I don’t see the Bills taking a QB until day two at earliest. Maybe they will go after Ryan Tannehill or Case Keenum, but neither one is as ready to start as Luck or Griffin, nor are their long-term prospects as rosy.
Like him or not, we’ll be stuck with Fitz as our starter for 2012.
by SiriusRed on Dec 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow
So I gotta say, since Paul Hamilton asked an executive if Ralph was at the last game it seems like Ralph’s been scrambling to be a visible part of the team but it seems like it’s a little too late. I kind of wish he would go back to saying nothing because it’s too late for him to make a difference. I just hope out scouts and draft group don’t let him influence their decisions
"Listen, we're not giving money away"
Who was it that was trying so desperately yesterday to convince me that Ralph isn’t all about the money and is actually trying to build a championship team? Now that he forked over the money, Fitzpatrick will be the #1 quarterback until we gather up our pitchforks and torches. It’s Rob Johnson all over again.
by SiriusRed on Dec 23, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
That's fair
Ralph may not be giving money away but that’s exactly what he is expecting fans to do while producing a disappointing product.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
This team does everything not to get better
We win 5 games out of the gate and then just implode and it was all for nothing. Now we cant get a QB to save the team cuz they will all be gone. If RG3 is there, i think there is still a chance we take him, but he will be gone.
Ralph is right though, Our best defensive player and offensive players have been out durring this slide. 4 defensive rookies starting.
This team could win if they had a pass rusher though. That would make such a big difference. and a new creative D coach.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
I don't believe Ralph...
He has said for many years during this drought that he is going to get better players and turn around the bills. IMO, the Bills are doing just enough to “maintain status quo”. Ralph’s comments are all about “status quo” and 5-12 records are okay. Plus 12 year no playoff droughts are okay. And a mediocre QB is okay.
Where is the passion… where is the strong leadership for making change and not accepting the status quo…
“Listen were not just going to be giving money away”… yeah, Ralph I am “glad” to hear as a fan that you are not going to loose anymore money and you are content with 5-12 year after year…
what a joke
Stick with a crappy QB you are overpaying just so you don’t have to admit you were wrong. On top of that he makes it worse by blaming “some runners” “tight ends” and injuries for a HORRIBLE season. They are going to push Fred Jackson out and run our beloved bills into the ground for another decade!
Ryan Fitzpatrick must be just loving life...
An average NFL QB with acccuracy problems and a lifetime losing record as bad as his is handed a huge contract extention and job security by an NFL owner.
Most people actually have to work and do well to get paid… not with Fitzy. He has a lot of people fooled with that Beard of his.
He landed an average QB extension…which makes sense, since he’s an average QB.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
OK
But Ralph expects Fitz to carry this team to SB. Thats delusional in its self. Than he steps out and calls out TE’s and WR’s and whatever position he considers “runners” as needing improvement. Yeah I get you expect miracles from Fitz since you pd. 60 million to Fitz. I’m sure “old school” Ralph considers that elite $$, hence Ralph’s support for Fitz and disdain for players not yet resigned by FO. This FO make no mistake makes it really clear their opinion and its cut throat. IMHO.
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Dec 23, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
What a Relief
For a moment there, I was afraid the team was thinking about drafting someone like Robert Griffin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpMWjmfwhCg
So let me see if I following this: The Bills will draft a WR with the #1 pick — you know, someone Fitz can underthrow to on fade routes — and hope that the run D and pass rush works itself out. Maybe Merriman gets another shot. This is the worst of all scenarios, and so probably precisely how things play out.
Nothing against Fitz; I’ve been a supporter since the Edwards-Fitz controversy. The guy is all heart. But the only way they make the playoffs with Fitz is to have a defense like Baltimore’s or San Francisco’s, and the only way to reach their status is to draft heavily on the defensive side of the ball. The Bills have let guys like London Fletcher (league leader in tackles) go while wasting first round picks on the likes of McGahee, Lynch, and Evans. Add Spiller and maybe Parrish to that list. When they do go D, they to develop them (Aaron Maybin) — and yes, Maybin’s success in NY is proof of a coaching (or, more probably, management) failure in Buffalo.
So discouraging. It will be a happy day when Doug Whaley — rather than RW’s miserly attorney — has the authority to make the key decisions.
Correction
Paragraph 3, sentence 5 should read: “When they do go D, they FAIL to develop them (Aaron Maybin) — and yes, Maybin’s success in NY is proof of a coaching (or, more probably, management) failure in Buffalo.”
In order,
1) Dominant pass-rushing OLB
2) Tall, speedy wide-out.
3) CB
4)TE
5)OL depth
6)QB
Free-agency for any of the above. Fill out with draft.
my list is the same
but in no particular order. i think we could find a QB in the second or third since he won’t start for at least a year, and i think we could spend a pick on WR/CB in the first, as likely as a pass rusher, assuming Nix can find the guys he likes to select in 2nd and 3rd and have them be productive. TE/OL probably get addressed 4th and later, as has been their MO recently, and that makes some sense, given how little true talent we have, and how few of THEM actually finished the season.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 23, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Better settle in...gonna be a long while before this team sniffs the playoffs..
Keep up the great work Mr. Wilson…atleast my wallet will have a few extra green backs for a little while longer.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ralph is correct...
Hate to say it but Ralph is correct the rebuilding is going to take a couple of more years. They are improving but need help in so many area’s. What would have helped is for the Bills to at least win a couple of games down the stretch to give the fans hope going into 2012.
What has occurred over the last decade is that the Bills have been running parallel when it comes to talent. I’ve stated this before—they never seem to accumulate talent, they let talent leave and have to replace the talent that left. DB’s have had to be drafted to replace the ones that have left and same with running backs…
Since 2000 the Bills have taken:
3 RB’s No#1—McGahee, Lynch and Spiller plus they took Travis Henry @ 2 and also had taken Antowain Smith #1 in “97”..
4 DB’s No#1—Winfield, Clements, Whitner and McKelvin, plus they developed Greer and last year took Williams @ #2…
Between them that is 7 #1 picks on RB’s & DB’s out of 12 (2000-2011) close to 60%. It’s no wonder the Bills haven’t been able to develop good Offensive or Defensive lines or have improve other positions like I said they are always replacing not accumulating talent.
Going into 2012 they need help at DB, LB, WR, TE, DE, of course more O-line help and without a doubt a franchise QB (not a 7th rounder that we hope is a sleeper ala Brady—how often does that happen?).
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"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
yep....good start to the list of talent they let walk out the door
Pat Williams, Jim Leanord, Lee Evans, Maybin…..and will the list keep growing…..Stevie and Jackson are on the clock
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
I agree with you on most posts, but in this one the only person I’d regret letting out the door is Fat Pat.
IMO Jim Leonard was solid but we still have good S play and didn’t have to go out of our way to get a S (okay Byrd I guess but I’d much rather have Byrd/Wilson than Leonard/Wilson).
Evans did draw defensive coverage, but he was injured this year (we got lucky dealing him in that sense) and we simply couldn’t utilize him. He needs a cannon armed QB, which is why he flourished with the mediocre Losman.
Maybin I still think is the product of a good situation. He’s producing because of the talent/scheme around him. I’d use QBs as a metaphor. Some are great in their system, but take them out of it and they are average or mediocre.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
The worst is Fat Pat wanted to stay in Buffalo, I believe he had an auto detailing business.Then the Bills signed DT Tripplett as a FA from the Colts, traded up in the draft to take McCargo and eventually traded for Stroud to replace Pat. They spent more money and wasted draft picks trying to replace a talented player they develop from a FA…
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
It’s too bad we couldn’t pick up Fat Pat for a year or two as a rotational DT.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 23, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Retired to the Hot Dog eating circuit--:)
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
the point isn't who is better, but who the Bills could have taken if they were not filling holes they created
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Somebody gets it.
Good job Goose! Exactly why they are not stockpiling talent. This year they will let Stevie walk.
Combination
It’s a combination of letting talent walk and poor drafting. That is how you get to where the Bills are!
Honestly
I don’t care about Ralph or what he has to say. His ego disgusts me, and what has happened to this team disgusts me. The perfect example of this is the name of our stadium, Ralph Wilson Stadium……….complains about money all the time but won’t sell the naming rights. To me, that is him in a nutshell…..as we play two games a year in Toronto…..
by fanick82 on Dec 23, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'd be happy if every player they drafted...........
……. was on defense. What we have now is pathetic.
200+ yards for Reggie Bush! Really?
Watch the Fighting Tebows put up 300 yards on these clowns.
Except draft a good O lineman for depth.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 23, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions
Why can't Wilson, Brandon, Nix, Gailey, or anybody realize...
- ) That winning in the NFL cures all “evils” on your team and creates the most hope and fun for the fans and good business in the NFL
Since the Bills haven’t been able to do that in quite a long time then…
- Draft a “Franchise QB” that gives fans hope and allows players to get behind and play outstanding football for (We are going to get a huge taste of it this weekend with Tebow). Even if you don’t have a winning football team (a.l.a. Carolina Panthers, MN Vikings, TN Titans, STL Rams, etc…) at least there is hope for the future.
How much “hope” do fans have with Wilson’s coments. Without someone having enough stones to realize that this franchise isn’t going anywhere and no one is going to take them serious until we have someone who can “lead us” in the future. Someone please wake Wilson up from his nap and tell him that drafting QB’s in the first round doesn’t cost him near the money it would have cost him 2 years ago. He just paid Fitzy on the “Cheap” too… Why the hell not give fans something to really “Shout” about!!!
by dabillsr1 on Dec 23, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yup, this is an extremely disheartening statement
by the Bills owner, and a prime example of why we have been bad for so long. Wilson has made a farce out of this once "Talkin’ Proud’ organization. Whether it’s senility, only a doctor can say….but he’s pretty much made a lot of poor decisions for quite awhile….and it’s only going to get worse until he’s gone, sad to say.
by ccthemovieman on Dec 23, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
And the failed Losman experiment
continues to haunt Buffalo fans to this day. Since drafting Losman and his subsequent struggles this team has been afraid to draft a QB in the 1st round since then. Plenty of QB’s have been availiable some turned into busts (Leinart for example maybe even Clausen) others have gone on to have great careers. Its sad that the Bills are too cheap to risk money on a 1st round QB because Losman flamed out. Even with a rookie salary cap in place.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
by panekattack on Dec 23, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We need talent. Period.
Why waste a 1st round pick on a 2nd round player?
When healthy, our offense has flashed signs of brilliance. Our defense is a different story. We’re soft and exploitable on the edges, and although we can generate some pressure with a healthy Shawne Merriman, its not enough to stop teams from putting up points on us.
The bottom line is that we aren’t getting Luck or Griffin because of our record, and we need to start thinking about what the next best move is. Hell, it might even be trading down and nabbing Upshaw or Tannehill.
I’m all for drafting a QB, but we can’t waste a single pick if we’re going to claw our way back to the top. We’ve done that for far too long.
I like to believe this has more to do with the Bills players feeling like they can be something special. They started a year 0-8 and finished 4-4 while taking playoff and championship game bound teams to OT and 3 pt nail biters. All this with one year under a new coach and with a young roster. Im sure they can feel what they are capable of. -poz
by RBbills on Dec 23, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What free agent wide receiver is going to want to come in right now and work with Fitzpatrick? I’m afraid they’re limited to drafting these weapons they want to surround Fitzpatrick with. Every time they do, though, they will be wasting a chance to improve a porous defense and a so so offensive line.
Can we continue to trust Eric Wood with his injury history? What are they going to do with Steve and Fred? Will Spiller accept being the backup? That’s only skimming the surface on the offense!
Realistically, they need to draft offensive players because I think they will have a better chance filling holes on the defense via free agency. The exception being olb, because when quality edge rushers hit free agency they don’t come cheap. May God have mercy on our souls.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
by hoosier3 on Dec 23, 2011 9:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow
Quess this means we won’t be looking at QB priority one this yr. Not surprised. We’ve hitched our wagons to Fitz do or die. Stop talking to media Mr Wilson its not helping. This team has needed new owner for yrs, talk about denial and were enabling:)
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
You would think that the owner of a team with a 7 game losing streak would have something more profound to say
Maybe like… “I’m pissed”… We need to improve now. I am going to hold players and coaches accountable. The fans deserve better.
Instead we get… “yeah we are going to renew Toronto” and keep a home game from coming from Buffalo" I wouldn’t be surprised if the extention has to regular season games a year up there. Then we hear… Fitz is our guy and the rest of our team is awful. We need better runners, receivers and TE’s… then complain that his team is all injured. No one is feel sorry for you Ralph, most people are just fed up and would rather enjoy there time with families tomorrow than go to the Bills game and be disappointed.
Good!
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