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A Couple Of Things J2 Looks For In A QB

There is really no hard and fast rule on things you look for when drafting or looking for a QB. However, there are things that I look for that would sway me one way or the other in selecting a QB for my franchise (i'm going to buy the Bills - you can donate at www.j2isnevergoingtoownthebills.com).

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In college i'd like them to come from a pro offense and have somewhere north of 25 starts while being successful. Those may or may not matter but I figured i'd at least throw those in there because I do look for those in a QB from an experience and scheme standpoint.

1) Accuracy - to me accuracy is almost the number one thing I look for in a QB. There are other things but accuracy is something that can only be taught to a point.

I'm not talking about accuracy in completion percentage either - i'm talking about hitting a WR in the butter zone. Hitting a WR in stride, on the numbers, away from defenders so WR don't take nasty hits and "throwing a WR open". I don't like seeing a WR have to jump 4 feet in the air - they get hurt and they don't get any YAC.

2) Decision Making - every QB makes awful decisions but making smart decisions routinely that keeps your team in the game is vital. You cannot be throwing picks into triple coverage when the game is close - a punt is better. In the NFL games are usually won or lost by a few plays a game (outside of Buffalo, folks) and not making critical errors along the way increases your chances of victory.

3) Pocket Presence - pocket presence is something that doesn't get a lot of attention from fans but it's vitally important to a QB's success. Look at Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (yes, good examples) and see how subtle moves in the pocket extends plays and limits negative plays (sacks and picks).

When a QB has poor pocket presence they are more likely to force the ball because they want to get the ball out of their hands and they also take more sacks (because of said awful pocket presence). You can have a decent offensive line look awful if your QB doesn't understand how to move properly and step up in the pocket.

4) Height - height isn't a prerequisite but it certainly helps. Drew Brees and Doug Flutie are some of my favorite QBs but there are certain throws they cannot make because of their height.

Example - SB Pittsburgh vs Arizona - go look at the throw Ben threw to Santonio Holmes in the back right corner of the end zone and how the ball floated in the air. I know - Nasty!

Ryan Fitzpatrick VS J2's Metrics For QB Success

In a nutshell that's what I look for in a QB. Now, as you read that list think of Ryan Fitzpatrick and how he does in those areas. You may or may not agree with me on what I listed but you might agree that he's pretty awful at 3 of the things I listed (not sure you can be awful on height - but debate if you want to). I didn't specifically go out looking for things that he's not great at because the items I listed I truly feel are vital to a QBs success and i've said that for years.

1) Accuracy - I'm not saying Fitz is inaccurate - but he's pretty much inaccurate - it's not good.

2) Decision making - He consistently throws the ball to spots that leave one scratching their head. His timing is awful too. Why does he throw to the other team when the game is close? Because after a lot of those throws the game isn't close anymore.

3) Pocket Presence - Pretty sure Ryan has awful, awful pocket presence. I see the pocket collapse and all he has to do is step up but instead he bails or runs directly into a defender. There are far less athletic QBs that give their offensive line and WRs time simply because of their pocket presence - something he clearly does not have.

4) I could harp on him for not being tall but there are successful shorter QBs.

To sum what i'm saying up

Anyone have good deductive reasoning skills? Good, because you know that Ryan is really not what I look for in a QB. Not sure that matters to you - but to me - he falls short (no pun because not a big deal most likely) in a lot of areas that I think are critical to future success.

I like the guy and think he could be good with a really solid defense, run game, WR's and offensive line (yes, solid everything around him) but he's a guy that's not going to win you games. He needs a team around him to be successful.

For the record - what i'm also looking for is to win a Super Bowl, not just make the playoffs. While playoffs are fine we want a championship. Why else would the Bills exist were it not for winning the Super Bowl.

Does anyone think that Fitz can win Buffalo a Super Bowl?

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Will Fitzpatrick win a Super Bowl with the Bills as the starting QB?
Yes
24 votes
No
108 votes

132 votes | Poll has closed

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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If the poll was make the playoffs instead I may have had to think about it, lol. I see him as a stop gap qb, will sufice until they decide to draft or pick up that “franchise” qb. When he’s on his game, he can be Flutie’esque, by overcoming a lot of his weaknesses. I’m still on the fence about whether I want the Bills to build around him by drafting focusing on D and getting maybe a FA QB after this young team has grown up or take a flyer on a QB high in the draft and fix the other spots, while the qb matures.

Why I'm a optimistic Bills fan:
The road that is built in hope is more pleasant to the traveler than the road built in despair, even though they both lead to the same destination.
- Marion Zimmer Bradley

by mavadjdj on Dec 23, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. I like him and think he can be a stop gap. The accuracy, specifically the accuracy on the deep balls is just too important. There have been more than what I would consider acceptable cases of him launch a deep ball to a receiver who has a step or two on the defender and not hitting it. Most of the time, they have to slow down for it.

Whenever I’m watching a game and a different QB launches a deep ball, I also move to the edge of my seat as I wait for the TV to get to see how open the receiver is and watch the balls come down in catchable range. The question in my head is always: is the receiver open.

When Ryan launches a deep ball, the question that pops in my head is the ball going to get there.

by can on Dec 23, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Now is that accuracy or general arm strength or both? (really a question) What if we had a Chad Pennington type that was accurate in short to mid type throws, but couldn’t throw the deep ball to save his life? Would that type of “safe” quarterback be preferable to the Amish Rifle/Mr Hyde of Fitz?

Why I'm a optimistic Bills fan:
The road that is built in hope is more pleasant to the traveler than the road built in despair, even though they both lead to the same destination.
- Marion Zimmer Bradley

by mavadjdj on Dec 23, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Both I think. I firmly believe you have to take (successful) shots deep or the defense collapses into the short/mid zones as they have been against the Bills. There are not that many opportunities in a game and when you have someone open deep, you have to capitalize and you have to have the other team respect that possibility.

I would not want a Pennington type as they do not present a credible deep threat.

by can on Dec 23, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think work ethic needs to be very high on the list

perhaps under winning in college. case in point VY.

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu

by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

very, very true.

I"ll rec yours because I don’t want to add to mine – that would be copying. But your 100% right.

by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno about a few of these for Fitzy

Accuracy and height, yeah, fair enough. But Fitz is okay with decision making and pocket presence.

2. Decision Making — There’s evidence either way for this. He was superb earlier in the year at picking the right targets in 5 wide sets. Even when throwing INT’s at difficult times, they still tended to be acceptable risk reward. I’d rather have that than Captain Checkdown. The late year sucky Fitz is not so good here, but I still feel like most of his INT’s come when slinging the ball and coming from behind. I’m okay with that.

3. Pocket presence — This one is just wrong. The Bills have taken 20 sacks this year, tied for fewest in the NFL. Our OL is much improved, true. But most of that low number comes from Fitz getting the ball out on time. That’s the same reason Peyton Manning takes so few sacks. Fitz takes very few coverage sacks, and can occasionally scramble out of a busted pocket. He’s probably top 10 in the NFL in terms of pocket presence, which should be considered excellent.

I do think Good Fitz could win a super bowl with a strong defense and Fred Jackson running game. Bad Fitz could not win a parking ticket.

by Munchausen on Dec 23, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

But most of that low number comes from Fitz getting the ball out on time.

agreed – but that’s more of Chan’s scheme. When he has had to sit in a pocket he’s easily flustered. It’s a big weakness of his for sure.

by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think part of Chan’s scheme is devised to mask Fitz’s shortcomings. Unfortunately, Ralph’s assertion that Fitz is going nowhere also means the Bills are going nowhere as well.

In short, I voted no. “No way in hell” was not an option.

"Listen, we're not giving money away"- Ralph
Thanks for the education, Ralph...I'm not giving mine away (to you), either!

by fansince60 on Dec 23, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it almost was – lol

by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 7:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Fitz is not a gun slinger but a game manager

Fitz has done exactly wat was expected of him i mean most of those picks are drops by are WR are wideouts are to soft and slow not counting # 13 speaking of which we owe so much to stevie johnson who pulled us out of the dark ages if it wasnt to him we wouldnt have marcell pay that man take the money u pay chris kelsay and drayton flornce with and pay stevie..

by GoBILLs on Dec 23, 2011 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

For me, trait #1 and #3 are most important

Mostly because they are really hard to teach. Jake Locker can be coached to be a 60% passer, but will never reach the Brees-esque echelon of accurate passers. Neither will Tebow.

Gabbert will be good, but he’ll never have the natural pocket presence of Dan Marino, for example.

Decision making can be trained, easily. Height, well, it’s height. Only thing I’d add is leadership, because a team can’t without a leader at QB.

Luck, Tannehill, and RGIII pass #1 and #3. Those two areas, in particular, are why I’m so high on Tannehill. He puts the ball on target in the strike zone, not just near a receiver. And he’s got great pocket presence and he’s a leader for the Aggies. He’s 6-4, has a good arm, and has made decisions in Mike Sherman’s pro offense.

Tannehill has all the tools to succeed. My only hesitation is in experience, which is why you draft him and sit him for a couple years.

Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 23, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

agree on 1 and 3 being the most important – no question. I’ll add Joe’s work ethic with your leadership qualities and then draft that QB.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with Fitz who does none of these things well. One could argue decision making but he costs us games by making dangerous throws when the games are close – he can obviously improve on that but I have to see it.

I guess i’ve seen enough of Fitz and the past QB’s – it’s time to go all in on a young QB. Do what it takes and go get Luck as far as i’m concerned. A WR, TE, CB, OT, S etc… isn’t going to help Fitz enough or the Bills enough to make us a consistent playoff team

by J2 on Dec 23, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that Fitzpatrick may not be the elite franchise QB the team needs

But he does do some of that stuff well. Maybe inconsistently, and maybe at the level of a great reserve, average starter. But it’s not all bad.

Here’s a question: say Buffalo drafted a franchise QB in April. Would you rather have someone other than Fitzpatrick as the bridge QB? I wouldn’t. He’s a great role model and teammate, and someone that wouldn’t hold anything against a rookie.

Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 23, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

he’d be perfect in that role + that’s not my problem – my problem is their apparently unwillingness to actively upgrade fitz which I think they could do this year early in the draft

by J2 on Dec 24, 2011 9:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think they could do this year early in the draft

And this is why I think they should get a first rounder this year. If the Chix plan goes as scheduled, we won’t pick this high in next year’s draft. We should get that QB to groom now.

"Teams that don't deserve to win.... usually don’t. Today is no exception." -- Mr Huge Pecs
"Nick Barnett is everywhere. He is behind you right now." -- Munchausen

by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 24, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Chix plan goes as scheduled, we won’t pick this high in next year’s draft.

if Fitz is the guy that J2 claims he is- we will pick this high every year. If Fitz is capable, then, we have more time to groom the QB of the future.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Dec 24, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

funny

We have to draft said player first, right? Or do you think Thigpen is man?

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 24, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

obviously, their pursuit of Harrell shows they know we need upgrading

at the backup position in the VERY LEAST. We won’t be ignoring QBs that are available… we just aren’t likely to use a first rounder yet, when we can do so sometime in the next few years, and still improve the roster for his arrival on scene- whether from the bench, or straight from the draft.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Dec 24, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Another good write up on the Rumblers. I like your QB requirements, and agree with them as well. I’m not going to get into which ones I feel Fitz fairs well in or not. I would like to add arm strength because of our weather ( ie cold & winds ), and I think height is a little more improtant than it used to be because of the size of our OL. But once again I lkie your list and the order you have it as well.

by atsnigduh2u on Dec 23, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I’d be really curious to see what Qbs fit this set of guidelines, outside of the Holy 2 of Mandy (theyve been combined!). Seems to me like you may have set some standards that are just silly, such as height. I’d rather have 1 Drew Brees over a thousand Ryan Mallets. Or how tall was Brady Quinn? Feh. We just smashed that teeth out of a team with a bigass QB.

by Ian MacPersonoid on Dec 24, 2011 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Gosh

Chix wasn’t enough we gotta go with Mandy? Wow.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 24, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think those standards are silly at all.

accuracy is silly? decision making is silly? pocket presence ( ability to avoid sacks and get the ball out) is silly?

what do u look for in a QB then?

also height is important but not required and I made that clear when talking about fitz. this wasn’t a bash fitz post – I actually started writing this a while ago then when I was done and read over it I thought how fitz doesn’t fit into my desired QB type. does that mean he’s gonna fail because he doesn’t fit my ideal QB? no because that would be stupid and not my intentions for this article.

by J2 on Dec 24, 2011 6:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Primarily the height thing. But now that we mention it, there are less than accurate QBs who have won championships, as well as QBs with less than perfect pocket presence. I may have missed the part of this being about an ideal QB, but my ideal QB would be focused more on intangibles anyway. The ability to take a group of high paid schmucks and make them seem like they’re actually earning it. I hate to brign up that Favre guy, so we’ll talk Fran Tarkenton instead. That ability to stretch away from a called play and think of something new, and to bring it into reality. Not pretty, but a winner.

Course, we did jsut smash the teeth out fo a QB who fits that description earlier today, so I’d like to also point out how ideals are not always good for the real world.

by Ian MacPersonoid on Dec 24, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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