Bills 40, Broncos 14: C.J. Spiller's Strong Finish Continues
It's been five games now since C.J. Spiller took over for the injured Fred Jackson as the starting running back of the Buffalo Bills. In that time frame, his play has ranged from passable to outstanding, with Spiller amassing 533 total yards and four touchdowns in that five-game run.
Spiller followed up a career-best performance against Miami in Week 15 (91 rushing yards, 76 receiving yards, two scores) with his first career 100-yard rushing performance in Sunday's win over Denver (111 rushing yards, 27 receiving yards, one score). He's averaged 7.8 yards per touch in the past two games, including 7.2 yards per carry.
The only problem remaining with Spiller's game is that head coach Chan Gailey still isn't giving him enough carries. Even while Spiller has dominated of late, Tashard Choice has stolen 14 carries (and 18 touches overall). He's produced just 76 yards on those touches.
Given the dynamic that existed between Jackson and Spiller before Jackson's injury - and which now exists between Spiller and Choice - there are three reasonable conclusions we can reach. One: Gailey's offense can't create production for two running backs. Two: Gailey is more comfortable taking touches away from Spiller than he was from Jackson. Three: Spiller deserves more touches.
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They will most likely take another back with the 12th pick in Aprils draft. Would it surprise anyone.
by BigBadBillsFan on Dec 26, 2011 9:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Shock
Shock me more like it!
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by buffalobacker on Dec 26, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
If trent Richardson was there, and by far BPA, why would it surprise anyone ?
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Dec 26, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
because RBs are dispensible
I can’t think of any other position (other than kicker/punter) where you can find so many potential all-pro’s in the UDFA pool
by paythemannow on Dec 27, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
I would definitely
What would be the science behind that? Dont we still have the rookie RB-White? It would definitely be a waste of a pick ..
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by khameleon59 on Dec 27, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
Science?
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by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
What would be the science behind that?
Ask Thomas Dolby – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Dec 27, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks Brian
Ive been feening for a post from u guys since the win….
For this to work we will have to commit to the run game and change our offense….and chan admitted that he won’t do that. So a two-back system is a reality in buffalo.
This running theme about Gailey not giving Spiller enough touches...
is starting to bug me. What exactly is the sense in running Spiller like a workhorse? What is the upside? It would make about as much sense as handing the ball to Fred Jackson late in a game that the Bills have no chance to win. As much as I enjoy watching CJ run, I’m much more interested in seeing him fresh next year, and my guess is that Chan feels the same way.
Fresh?
Every time he goes out there and get carries, it’s a learning experience. He needs to get better, by taking carries away from him doesn’t help.
The guy really hasn’t played all season, so freshness isn’t a problem.
Agreed
Chan can not keep taking carries away from CJ and expect to maintain if not exceed the level of performance FJ has established .. I have said this before and I will continue to say this .. split the work load .. I love to see FJ man handle and out wit the defenders .. however .. thank of how much more damage TWO RBs can generate against opposing defenses ..
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by khameleon59 on Dec 27, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Next yr. CJ and FJ can light it up till than its a waiting game. FJ is out right?
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by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
because, as Chan said himself, you get better by playing. cjs barely played in 2 seasons – working him for 4 or 5 games isn’t going to wear him out for next year but what it is going to do is make him a better rb and allow him to both scout himself and get a better feel for what were trying to accomplish
by J2 on Dec 26, 2011 9:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The reason is, and mark my words on this....
they don’t want to wear down Spiller, and they will cut Freddie loose after 2012. Running backs who pile up carries in the NFL don’t last long, especially ones who weigh 196 pounds. they are saving Spiller for when they are a playoff team. 31 year olds are considered over the hill.
31 year olds are considered over the hill.
Many RBs hit a wall in their early 30s.
They don’t hit a wall BECAUSE they are in their early 30s.
This is something a lot of Bills fans wary of giving Fred a contract need to understand.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Fred really deserves at least a top-loaded 4-year contract after his play the past three seasons, anyway, and I’d love to see him as the Hybrid Power Back with CJ as the Hybrid Speed Back in a 2-back showing… hell, get Corey out there and run the T on rushing downs! (Or of course the full house backfield, I just think it’d be awesome for our college-style offense to go that old school :P.)
If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.
by Orlando John on Dec 26, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
About time someone who see things from my perspective .. If the only thing DCs have to really worry about is our WR core .. then we will be one dimensional .. and able to be defeated .. If we diversify our playing style .. then .. Gentlemen and Ladies .. We will be on the verge of a PLAYOFF appearance ..
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by khameleon59 on Dec 27, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Freddy doesn’t have the mileage on his legs like an average 30 year old RB. He just hasn’t had the touches most RB’s of his age, which is why I do feel he has more left in the tank. I say empathetically, "pay that man his money" – KGB
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Dec 26, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
And
I’ll counter that getting old is natural regardless of wear, your older. Better shape fine, tell that to Adrian Peterson. RB’s are dime a dozen partly because their shelf life is decidely less than most in NFL. FJ wouldn’t garner Bill’s much if anything in trade.
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by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I've often felt we migth be able to weasel a 2nd round pick out of
someone like the Pack. Yes, they are notorious for being picky when it comes to FA, but at the cost of a low 2nd round pick they would make their offense nigh unstoppable.
They have arguably the best QB in the league.
They have two very good WRs in Jennings and Jordy Nelson. They have Cobb developing.
They have prospects at O-Line, but Rodgers makes them look good anyways.
They have a good pass-catching TE in Finley.
They have an outstanding offense with incredibly average RBs in Grant/Starks.
Imagine if they now had Fred Jackson pass protecting for Rodgers, catching out of the backfield, and running like he did for us this past year. Think about how much their offense improves, even if it’s only for a couple of years.
It would almost be like spending a late 2nd round pick to almost guarantee a nearly unstoppable offense that could carry them to another Super Bowl.
If the safeties move back to cover Jennings/Nelson/Cobb/Finley then Freddy will be there to gash them on a short relief route or even by running with the ball. If the safeties move up to stop Jackson they have a good receiving corp to gash them deep.
The Packers offense is already outstanding, and it would only get better with a back like Jackson. What’s one late 2nd round pick when it comes to almost ensuring another Super Bowl appearance.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve often felt we migth be able to weasel a 2nd round pick out of someone like the Pack.
That will never happen – I don’t think we could get even a 4th from anyone for him, and that’s not because he can’t play – it’s because 31yr old running backs coming off season ending injuries don’t usually light up the marketplace.
by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 27, 2011 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
You’re generalizing. I’m talking about a specific instance; not an instance that is the same from team to team.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly Right
Buffalo needs to use CJ Spiller just like Reggie Bush is being used by Miami. He’s a valuable asset that cannot afford to get hurt. And he doesn’t need to take a pounding to learn how to run effectively. He can share carries and still learn. The way he is used – not being used to pound the ball but to get finesse plays – is more important than how many touches he gets. Let McIntyre pound it a bit.
Go big or go home.
Um...Bush is being used
As a primary back…
Dang
I’ll agree there. If your not using Bush your what?:) But yeah, Spiller can and will burn your bush! Not sure?! HeHe
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by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
spiller can and will burn your Bush
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by Montel on Dec 28, 2011 10:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agree
with allowing McIntyre POUND it AWAY from time to time .. and I do not mean only on goal and short
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by khameleon59 on Dec 27, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
A comparison of CJ and Reggie’s touches is pretty similar on average. CJ gets more receptions, but its not all that different. Reggie has been injured every season since his rookie year, even with less workload, you can understand why running him like a primary back wouldnt be the obvious strategy.
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by greysquirrel on Dec 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if this is the reason. But I too no longer understand the point. We lose in a blow out, we didnt run CJ enough. We win in a blow out we didnt run CJ enough. Some of the argument is on seasoning, they just want more touches, others are focusing on the YPC and the implication that high yards per carry in the midst of a game necessitates more touches.
I look around the league and plenty of smaller backs are spared 25 carries a game, even when performing well. So its not an anomaly that the Bills don’t want CJ to take more than 20 hits a game. Does that mean he may never be a 25-30 touches a game back? Maybe. Does this mean we hate taking that type of back that high? Could be. But if thats what they think he is that is what he is. You run him inside to keep a defense honest, but you don’t want to set him up to take big hits from a bunch of linebackers keyed against the run. He won’t be effective, it wont maximize his skill set and he is more likely to get hurt than larger backs.
I’m just glad he really looks like a contributor rather than a spectator. If he turns out to be a second round value when all is said and done, he’s better than most of our first round picks in the last decade. I think the coaches should use him how they think they will use him going forward not invesnt carries for him or run him even if we are losing.
I also look at losses where CJs carries fall off and a lot of it has to do with our offense stagnating in the third, despite efforts to run the ball (and sometimes because of it). High YPC on average doesnt mean in the flow of the game that we are getting high YPC or that down and distance are good for YPC. I don’t know if I want to start running Spiller on 3rd and 10+ to just get him “reps”. We then play our hurry-up catch-up game in the fourth, that obviously goes to the pass (but that has been fairly productive in those circumstances).
Spiller is being productive, he seems to be improving. He is being asked to run inside, outside, screens, patterns, etc. So from what I can tell he is getting quality reps, doing a good job and positioning himself to be a major contributor next year. I don’t really have a problem with a high YPC stat line at the end of the game. That happens! It doesn’t mean the coach can simply run him more and get that average. Or should run him until his average is mediocre.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 28, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well put.....
I don’t think he is the type who is gonna be the 25-30 carries per game type of back, but if he still rips off 100 plus a game and catches the ball well, I think he’s a solid pick. I was excited as hell when we picked him, and remember how FAST the Bills picked CJ? Under 10 seconds! They have a game plan for him, we might just not see it yet. Time will tell all when it comes to CJ. I am not ready to throw Chan under the bus yet, Fitz either. They need some time, we HAVE improved since last year. So we moving foreward not backward. I think in next two years with good drafting we can be a contender again.
Chan had better figure our how to run more. we have massive linemen and 2 excellent backs in Jackson and spiller.
next year we should run run and run some more with a lot of play action passes. If Chan is as smart as we want him to be then our offense will look vastly different next year by focusing in on the run.
Chan needs to change – our offense is better suited for the run and he needs to adjust to that
by J2 on Dec 26, 2011 9:45 AM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
We have to play to the strength of our team, and the strength isn’t out wide it’s in the backfield…..so why are we a pass 1st team??
not sure – but a 2 back set should be a staple of our offense next year.
between Jackson and spiller defenses are going to have a very difficult time stopping our run game and our passing game can only benefit
by J2 on Dec 26, 2011 9:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Gailey said that was the original plan the first year. Then lynch and freddy got hurt and he never went back to it. That could not be a coicidence.
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by matthew62 on Dec 26, 2011 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rec'd
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by khameleon59 on Dec 27, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Three: Spiller deserves more touches
Spiller has been the one of only two bright spots (along with Justin Rogers) for this hapless team down the stretch in that he appears to be turning a corner and gaining momentum towards becoming a difference-maker in the better times this hapless franchise would have us believe are ahead.
I say this without any hyperbole whatsoever: this roster is so bad that if given the choice to just start over as an expansion team or continue trying to build around what’s here, I’d choose starting over. There is very little young talent on board that doesn’t appear to be anything more than a decent spare part that populates every roster around the league. Spiller’s performance down the stretch has differentiated himself and that’s a big development. When Jackson returns, I envision a scenario where they both receive double digit carries each game with situations and game flow dictating the actual percentage of the split. There is room for two dynamic backs and I think Buffalo has two dynamic backs. I didn’t think that was remotely true a month ago.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Why?
I put that up in the summer of 2010. Spiller’s play will dictate whether it’s a sarcastic dig at Nix or a tribute to the team for adding a game changing weapon. I’m hoping for the latter.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Perhaps its as simple as conditioning.
CJ had sat behind Fred for most of the year. You can run all you want in what little they do practice but that will never equal the pace needed in a game. You can see him sucking wind a lot after a few runs I’d guess CJ gets more touches when he can physically handle them. I doubt Chan wants Spiller out there risking injury because he gets sloppy due to being tired.
Harooo
by Robot Nixon on Dec 26, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can see your point
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by khameleon59 on Dec 27, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that Fred Jackson had the upper hand in this decision all the time.
So many teams have switched to a two back offense and not necessarily at the same time. C.J. wasn’t ready yet and Fred was just so damn effective every game and in every aspect of the game the decision was easy for Chan. Our entire offensive line is trained for the spread offense and they are very young in this system. Many have been in the league for a few years but very few of them have played for more than two seasons until this year. The bigger arguement is labeling C.J. a bust, but let’s save that for those select few. C.J. and Freddy bring two different styles of running and keeping a defense on it’s toes is more important to a head coach and an OC than it is pounding the same guy for 16 games. Yet, you just couldn’t keep Freddy off the field he was that important. Many games he was targeted and still produced. I am a firm believer that a sixteen game schedule is too long for the players but can’t argue it because they field 53 players a game, so depth and experience in the system become as equal to the success of the team. An area we lack in at WR and on defense. Somewhere you need to throw in the fact that Freddy wants a new contract and he himself wasn’t going to allow his play to take him off the field. Unfortunately, the injury and the pounding did remove him.
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by VanScottM on Dec 26, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent Post
The way Jackson was playing, if Jackson was taken out for Spiller to learn, how many would have questioned the coaches sanity?
Go big or go home.
Four: Gailey is being very, very careful with spiller.
i dont know why everyone has such a huge problem with spiller being held to a 15-20 touches / game limit by gailey. spiller is still nix and gaileys prized possession. hes their first draft pick and right now CJs making it clear that he can be a real playmaker in the NFL. why risk running him ragged or getting him hurt in these last meaningless games of the 2011 season?
plus, there’s the simple fact that when u get deep in the red zone, the running becomes much more north-south. i think we can all agree that spiller shouldnt be asked to run defenders over on the goal line very often? even though choice stinks, why subject spiller to the physical punishment of that kind of running. gailey is letting CJ grow more and more comfortable without throwing too much of a workload on him. this both keeps spiller hungry heading into the offseason and keeps as much tread on those tires as possible for the future. i dont think spiller will ever be a guy who can get 25+ carries a game (players like that almost dont exist in today’s NFL anyway….), so why force him into such a role so early in his career with so little playing experience? i just have absolutely no issue with the way gailey is handing spiller.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
by boomsauce on Dec 26, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
With our big line ask them to push forward then spiller jump over them. This use to happen all the time in the nfl. if your gonna ue choice in the red zone stop using screen passes. Screenn passes do not work in the redzone.
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by matthew62 on Dec 26, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
err.. im hypothesizing that gailey is trying to maintain spillers health heading into the 2011 offseason. if im right, i dont think hes gonna have spiller expose himself by trying to jump over a pile of humanity like that
screens to tashard choice is a different topic all together.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
I know the redzone calls just buggee me.
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by matthew62 on Dec 26, 2011 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree completely
Gailey is doing it right.
If we go back eight weeks ago, Rumblers were complaining Jackson wasn’t getting enough touches. What did it get the team? Jackson was banged up far beyond the broken leg he ended up with (left hand/wrist and probably other stuff). I think Jackson was used far too much, the long term damage was far more costly than the short term gain.
Next year, I’d like to see Spiller as the lead back with Freddy in the Kevin Faulk role, there for third down and critical yardage. Choice will be capable of spelling Spiller. Running back by committee, each doing what they do best, maximum mileage without the beating.
The good news is that the Bills have quality proven depth at the RB position for 2012.
by Rick A on Dec 26, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You want to put the league leader in rushing, prior to breaking his leg, in a Kevin Faulk role?
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
Courtney Upshaw - Alabama - the answer at OLB
Vinny Curry - Marshall - the other answer at OLB.
Both can be gotten, whether Vinny Curry falls to the 2nd or we trade up in the last 1/3 of the 1st Round. Snagging one or both will help our defense immensely.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. The timing of the yards is every bit as important as the quantity. If the Bills properly limit his touches, he’s probably good for four or five more productive years. If they don’t, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him waste away with “Earl Campbell disease” in a year or two.
I’ll even go a little farther with this. I’d like to see Jackson offered a Brad Smith type contract, then cut Smith (Mr. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none) to save money.
Be Very, Very Careful
Sounds like Elmer Fudd hunting Bugs Bunny! Sorry to much Looney Toon’s for me:)
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by buffalobacker on Dec 26, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
How many offenses have two really productive backs every season?
I know this is the era of the two-back offense, and the feature back is a rare commodity these days.
Look at the list of rushing yardage leaders. There aren’t that many teams that have two truly productive backs. Houston (Arian Foster and Ben Tate); maybe Carolina. The Giants? Neither Bradshaw nor Jacobs is going to pass 750 rushing yards or 1000 scrimmage yards on the season.
I’m not arguing the need for two good backs. But while it’s easy to say that Gailey’s offense can’t find touches for two backs… I think you’ll find the touches are more or less in line with what the rest of the league is producing.
Also
If you look at the league leaders in attempts per game, you will find that only a few teams appear twice in the top 32 – Houston (Foster #1 at 21.4, Tate #28 at 11.4) and NYG (Bradshaw and Jacobs at #22 and #29 respectively).
Dallas also squeaks in with Murray and Jones at #25 and #32, and Cleveland has Hillis at #14 and Hardesty at #30.
It’s not just the Bills. The teams that can provide 10+ touches for two backs, every game, are few and far between.
i believe we can all agree we need two quality running backs
cause they, like every other position, get hurt, get tired during the game etc.
the bigger issue is the philosophy and strategy of the offense, and how that
plays into winning games with a less than dominating defense, which will
most likely be the case for at least another season….
i think the bills will become a more balanced offense next yr, and they will
try and develop a faster/deeper threat to force the defense to respect that
option…
if they franchise stevie for one season, as opposed to a long term deal,
to see how their other receivers (easley, free agents, new draft picks)
develop, we might see an offense become more run-oriented anyway.
but i do not see how you can go into the off season not thinking about how
to rely more heavily on the run game given the cj/freddie reality.
i also think we need a james lofton type deep threat and we need it now….
with david nelson, chandler, stevie, and a true speed burner we could become
a true potent offense.
i think fitz can throw the deep ball, he threw it awfully well to TO, a guy who
could outrun most any ball in the air…..
Fitz has not thrown that style long ball this season, an easier one to throw.
the only one with stevie like that i remember was against the Steelers last yr,
and we all know what happened despite Fitz’s perfect throw……
Gailey has his weapons now, assuming they keep stevie in the fold, minus the
deep threat….
90% defense and (10%) offensive deep threat are the priorities offseason……….
Spiller the Thriller
Paul Brown was quoted as saying this about Jim Brown when asked if he carried the ball too many times a game…
“If you have a Gannon you shoot it”…
Give Spiller the ball as many times as possible-he is a playmaker!!
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"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
Oooops
That is supposed to be Cannon….
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
Well im not a fan
of Gannon as an announcer,I dont know that Id shoot him. lol
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
by mob16151 on Dec 26, 2011 2:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nice...........
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
Dick Butkus
Don't forget the Gruden piece before he was drafted...
In that, Gruden pointed to a few times at Clemson he had a big run and he took himself out of the game the next play. In fact, if you look at a few of those plays on Saturday (particularly the 38 yarder) Spiller hand gestures for them to put someone in….
Some of this is on CJ and him learning as the lead back you have to finish (and earn your coaches’ trust to do so) as much as it is Chan pulling him, IMO.
by Fanntastic on Dec 26, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Most backs want out after a 25 yd. plus run, not unusual. He’s being used quite nicely I think. Him and FJ are gonna be a good 1-2 punch next yr.
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by buffalobacker on Dec 26, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm on the Spiller Whagon right about now...
Either he’s playing to prove something, or he’s just finally getting the shot, but he is really impressing the heck out of me.
Fitz is, I will admit, not the type of QB you want throwing 40 passes a game anyway, so we need a solid running game. Which I think we’ll have for two years running with CJ and Freddie out there, if they both stay healthy. The kicker is, they both fill both roles (power and speed) to a certain extent, because it’s apparent CJ’s getting much better at running between the tackles and Freddie’s always been able to go outside. So it’s not telegraphing the play whatsoever by either of them being in.
Running? Check. Passing? Needs a WR. Line? Needs Depth. Both of them. OLB? NEED. ILB? Depth if that. DBs? I’m honestly good with them. TE? Check. QB? Draft for the future and actually develop the guy.
Analysis — playing in the Ice Bowl against the Saints, Packers or Cowboys. And winning on a last play field goal by Rian.
If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.
by Orlando John on Dec 26, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Spiller goes from bust to not getting used enough, very odd swing of opinions on the guy who people said they hate or was the bill they hate the most at the begining of the year. Why is this a problem, Chan is trying to use a 2 back offense, if the 2nd back wasn’t a street free agent(choice), it may be working a lot better.Let’s not forget Freddie getting pissed off in the PRESEASON that Chan gave CJ a start in one game, Freddies production and unwillingness to share carries kept CJ out of games earlier in the season.
This all seems very strange to me, like lets complain about the 4 picks, man we should’ve had more whats George Edwards problem? Just sounds like finding something to complain about.
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by cencalclassics on Dec 26, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't mind choice
After all next year he’ll be the 3rd RB if that. I am glad Chan is putting the effort to get two backs into the game. Because next year when Spiller needs a rest or we’re deep in the redzone it would be Freddy coming in not Choice.
Harooo
I’d like to hear from the "Spiller is a bum/bust that can’t play football well crowd. he seems like an awesome player to me, maybe I’m missing something. Like all these yards are garbage yards against bad defenses or something? What am I missing, why is he a bust and a bad football player that only has speed ?
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
Not Quite That Crowd
But CJ hadn’t shown anything till recently so he was fair game for comments. Nice to see he’s gonna be fine, I hope;)
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by buffalobacker on Dec 26, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
The big question for me was, had CJ got the chance to show anything? The other thing in my head was, is this his second year or his 4th year? very simple things that add up to too early to judge a draft pick. Common sense plays a large roll in that little train of thought, very easy, I thought about CJ for about 10 sec before I came to the conclusion that it was too early to tell. I’m guessing that people only thought about CJ for 10 seconds when they came to the conclusion that he was a bad football player.
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by cencalclassics on Dec 26, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I Hear Ya
Fans can be a little impatient, 12yrs and counting.:)
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by buffalobacker on Dec 26, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
fair game?
Up until recently, the lacked sufficient reps to properly adjust to the game. Yeah, we can all point to various RB’s that produced from day one, but there are so many variables that go into making a runner successful. Stuff like length of time to sustain a block, propensity to cut back, etc. Big difference in how you block for CJ compared to Freddy. CJ needs a clean hole, Freddy squirts through slivers and breaks tackles. Everyone had to adjust, including the play caller.
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by Montel on Dec 28, 2011 5:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We did run the ball alot in the beginning ..when our o line wasn’t in shambles an fred did not want to give cj any carries he knew this would happen an he wouldn’t get paid…he didn’t plan on getting hurt tho…start cj next year draft a wr or de …resign Stevie what are they thinking he’s gonna go over 1000 yards again
by emoney716 on Dec 26, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You ride
You go with Spiller. When he is hot, give him the carries!
alright... I'm not a Choice fan either....
but quite frankly, for a change of pace, he’s not doing bad…. 18 touches for 76 yards equals roughly 4.2 yards per touch… do that 3 times, and you get 12.6, or, enough for a first down.
Before y’all pile on, remember, I’m one that has been sayin’ Spiller needed more carries all year…. Yes, it’s great when our starters, FredX or CJ, can get 6, 7, or 8 yards a pop, and for whatever reason, Chan pulls both, either, or, from the field in the red zone….?….!!!!….??
I’m sure it sounds stupid, but I think Chan is trying his best to get us into the end zone…. Due to OTA’s, or the lack thereof, he has not had the time to work on the run game inside the 20 enough to make the team comfortable running…. I think all would agree, in tight quarters, finesse is easier than smash mouth.
That said… I think it’s obvious, Choice has turned into a good change of pace back, but once in the red zone, Chan should stick with his proven playmakers….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Do you think the Bills should renew Fred Jackson’s contract now that we’ve seen that Spiller can be really good? Jackson will be 31 next season.
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by chaucer on Dec 26, 2011 7:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes. Despite what some people argue, he does not have the mileage on him that a lot of 31 year olds do in this league. The only thing that makes me a little skittish is the broken leg. But honestly, give him a front-loaded 3 or 4 year contract, and then let him go after 2. It’s hard not to be enticed by a backfield of Spiller and Jackson, each getting equal playing time, including a significant amount of time with both on the field.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
agreed...
Jackson is a very young 30 year old, and limited on what is expected, can play good till he’s 34 at least….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Doesn't have the mileage?
The guy played throughout college, then played in NFL Europe and other leagues as well. It wasn’t like he was just sitting at home on his couch all these years not having guys dive at his legs or having wear and tear on his muscles. And now he has a broken leg to add to that mileage concern. Don’t get me wrong I love Fred and feel that he deserves a bigger contract but unfortunately for him he does not have the ball in his court. Age and injuries are against him along with a now productive younger RB waiting to take the reigns. The only way Fred will get that big payday is by leaving as a F.A. to a playoff team needing a RB like a NE, GB, or Detroit.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
This is my point. People refuse to see that, since he kind of played for a few years before coming to the Bills. The workload that he had while with the Bandits for two years and then in the NFL Europe for one year, followed by sitting on the bench in the NFL, means he does not have the mileage of other 31 year old backs. He has had much fewer carries, against much less steep competition. Sorry, but there is no denying that.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Yes but time plays just as big a factor
as does playing time. He is 31 years old and still goes through practices, scrimmages, and he did play in games during his first couple years with the Bills. He wasn’t just sitting on the bench up until last year when he received a lot more of the workload. If anything you’re proving the point against him by showing that when asked to carry a heavier workload he broke down. Like I said I like Fred and feel he does deserve more pay but the circumstances are not in his favor.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 27, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You were arguing that he has the same mileage on his legs as other RBs his age. He doesn’t. I didn’t comment on any of the things you’re bringing up.
And his broken leg is not due to his workload…he was carrying just as many times over the last three years as he was this year. He’s not going to be as fast next year as he was a few years ago, but the question is whether we should pay him or not.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Yes
He’s been excellent, pay him and play him!
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by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
would be beautiful to hear this on draft day...
“There is a trade to announce. The Indianapolis Colts have traded their number one overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft to the Buffalo Bills for their 2012 first round pick, 2013 first round pick, 2012 3rd and 4th round pick, and RB Fred Jackson. And with the number one pick in the NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select QB Andrew Luck from Stanford.”
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Dec 27, 2011 1:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Perfect!
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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
HELL NO!!!
I have two words for you…….
Mike Ditka…..
http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/04/history_shows_that_thennew_orl.html
Any questions?? Don’t go overboard, we aren’t THAT bad off!!

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