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Top 10 Buffalo Bills Players Age 25 Or Under - Redux

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With the 2011 NFL regular season coming to a close - and with the 2011 calendar year set to expire in just a few short days - I thought it'd be a good time to update a column I wrote in May. That piece detailed my opinions on the 10 best Buffalo Bills prospects aged 25 or below.

Now that 16 more games have been played, I thought it was high time to re-assess that list - which we'll then reference back once free agency and the 2012 NFL Draft have come and gone. This list contains players that, when they celebrate their birthday in the 2012 calendar year, will be 25 years old or under.

You can find the list after the jump - but if you're looking for names like Stevie Johnson, David Nelson, Eric Wood, Jairus Byrd, and Andy Levitre, you need to re-read the criteria in the previous paragraph. All five of those players will turn 26 next year. On to the list!

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1. Marcell Dareus (23 on 11/18/12). With one game left to play this season, Dareus paces the Bills with 5.5 sacks. He does so despite being the focal point of opposing blocking schemes, playing several different positions, with marginal-to-poor talent surrounding him, and through various physical dings. Dareus has had an excellent rookie season, and has the look of a player that, if supported properly, can be the good-to-dominant centerpiece of an excellent defense.

2. Aaron Williams (22 on 4/23/12). He took his lumps early in the season, but other than Byrd, no Bills defensive back has looked as consistently good as Williams this season. The youngest player on Buffalo's roster has had to step into a starting role almost by default, but appears prepared to hold down that role heading into 2012. He has the athletic chops to become a top-level starter at his position with continued improvement.

3. C.J. Spiller (25 on 8/5/12). Finally, mercifully, Spiller is showing why he was a coveted commodity in the top half of the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft. In five games since losing Fred Jackson for the season, Spiller has averaged 5.3 yards per rush and scored four touchdowns. He has shown the ability to rip off a big chunk of yardage at any point in time, and can hurt defenses as a receiver. Time will tell if the team ever changes its thinking on whether he can be an every-down back, but it's clear that C.J. can play.

4. Chris Hairston (23 on 4/26/12). Coming in as a raw big man with a future at right tackle, Hairston adjusted remarkably well not just to the speed of the NFL, but to the responsibility of playing on the left side. He had his ups and downs, and regressed slightly as the year wore on, but Hairston obviously has a future in this league - and could finally be the long-term left tackle the team has been seeking since trading Jason Peters.

5. Justin Rogers (24 on 1/16/12). Rogers first emerged this season as a kick returner, where he's averaged 30.1 yards per return since taking over for Brad Smith in that capacity. Then he cracked the lineup as a sub-package cornerback (where he took reps ahead of 2008 first-round pick Leodis McKelvin), and has performed well there. The seventh-round gem out of Richmond looks to have a future, but it's still unclear whether or not he can become a starting-level corner. He may get the opportunity to become just that.

6. Kelvin Sheppard (24 on 1/2/12). Even though he missed most of his rookie pre-season with a hamstring injury, it didn't take long for Sheppard to crack Buffalo's starting lineup. He oozes leadership qualities, and is currently fourth on the team with 64 tackles playing as a run-down inside linebacker. Struggles in coverage, however, may prevent Sheppard from ever becoming an every-down linebacker in the mold of Nick Barnett; hence his not ranking slightly higher on this list.

7. Da'Norris Searcy (24 on 11/16/12). The 2011 fourth-round pick was asked to start at strong safety for a few weeks - replacing the injured George Wilson - and though he made mental mistakes, he also showed some explosion and that he belongs athletically. The Bills appear set at safety heading into 2012, but Searcy has the potential to push Wilson for his job down the line.

8. Alex Carrington (25 on 6/19/12). I placed big expectations on Carrington entering the season, and he didn't deliver. The big man from Arkansas State emerged as a starter only after Kyle Williams' season-ending injury, and hasn't done much to differentiate himself from other Bills players in the trenches. That said, he's a proven kick-blocking asset on special teams and has (very rarely) flashed dominance, so some hope remains that he can become a more consistent performer in his third season.

9. Marcus Easley (25 on 11/2/12). It's tough to put a player that's never appeared in a regular season game on a list like this, let alone one with a well-publicized heart condition. Easley, however, has been cleared by doctors to resume his football career, and he put together a very good 2011 pre-season in which he flashed the potential to emerge as the No. 2 receiver had he played this year. That talent hasn't gone anywhere. Maybe the third time is the charm for the UConn product.

10. Donald Jones (25 on 12/17/12). Handed the No. 2 receiver job after the Lee Evans trade, Jones struggled to assimilate to his new role while dealing with a recurring (and ultimately season-ending) ankle injury. Jones showed inconsistent hands in hauling in just 23 passes this season, and never really appeared to be on the same page with Ryan Fitzpatrick. The team is still high on Jones, and he's proven in two years that he belongs in the NFL, but his peak may come as a sub-package receiver and special teams ace.

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I like our young guys prospects going forward. Really happy about CJ and Hairston progress.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Aaron Williams jersey!

When the switch to Nike is official ill be purchasing my authentic Aaron Williams jersey!

by SpiderWeb Sleeves on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Looks like calls for Nix’s head might be premature. I think the Bills should give this experiment one more year of evaluation before choosing a new direction.

As much as some would like to pull the plug on the GM or coach, how many of us want to suffer another system overhaul? It may not be showing up in the ‘W’ column yet, but I think the depth of talent on this team has improved from when Jauron was here. IT also is nice to have NFL size linebackers, linemen and receivers for once.

What I want is an experienced Dareus next to a healthy Kyle Williams. Add in a PASS RUSHER !!!! and all of a sudden our pass defense becomes top notch. If our defense improves a little, our current level of offense should suffice.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

They deserve another year. They need to add some talent to the Defense, and probably need to fine tune the defensive system. But they should be give a 3rd year, without a lockout, to prove that this group is capable of great things.

The Bills are ranked 1st in terms of teams most affected by iinjury. Hopefully with a true offseason, that allows players to work wth ourr strength and conditioning coaches, we will start to see a trend of our players staying healthy, longer.

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Dec 28, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bills are ranked 1st in terms of teams most affected by iinjury.

Where is this stat available? Thanks.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Dec 28, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it was a stat that ProFootballFocus.com put out. Ill try to look for it.

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Dec 28, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Wondering about Edwards

Using your argument for Nix, does that give reason for giving George another year?

I like this list a lot. Pretty happy about some of the young talent and I hope these two drafts under Nix help prove he was a good choice. This draft presumably has a 100% Nix stamp on it as well, so I’m looking forward to it. Keep stacking Buddy!

by buffaloparks on Dec 28, 2011 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

off season conditioning

With as well as Dareus, Williams, and Hairston played at times this season, it will be interesting to see how well they do after a full off-season of professional training and conditioning. Especially for the big fellas, who look like they could use some ‘mass re-apportioning’. It not only will obviously help their performance, but also gives some insight into their drive and commitment to improving.

by cleve y on Dec 28, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

This roster is awful – not only do we not have much worth keeping over 25 but the under 25 has Donald Jones in the top 10. So not only do we not have a productive team now our future roster by virtue of our players under 25 isn’t looking very rosy either.

Marcus Easley? Donald Jones? Make it a top 8 Bills prospects and be done with it – yuk!!

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Let’s see what it looks like come early May, shall we?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The roster or this list?

If you’re talking roster then o.k. of course but if you’re talking this list then you’d add 1 and maybe, maybe 2 players with that one player being whoever we take in the 1st.

This team lacks elite talent at critical areas and this list doesn’t make me feel any better right now

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just so everyone understands: Stevie Johnson, David Nelson, Eric Wood, Andy Levitre and Jairus Byrd are all 25 years old right now. Replace everyone from Sheppard down with those names, and the list looks pretty freaking sweet, no?

It’s a matter of perspective. Right now, we’re caught in the in-between, looking ahead to a time that 25-year-olds won’t be on this list when new guys aren’t yet. Let’s not overreact.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

, and the list looks pretty freaking sweet, no?

not to me.

Wood is injured constantly having played in 33 of 48 possible games and never completing a season. Levitre is a good starter but nothing that I consider special. I’m am a huge fan of Byrd and Nelson (in the slot) and Stevie but Stevie isn’t a game changer in my mind – he’s solid and really an above-average WR but isn’t going to go all Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson on anyone anytime soon.

It’s not an overreaction – it’s an honest opinion on our roster – we lack talent in a big way and especially at the games most critical positions. I’ve always been optimist but it’s really hard when you look at our roster and see how awful it is.

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

33 of 48 ......

I thought it was worse than that. I sure hope he can return and play a normal career. Ted Washington did it and more, so it is possible.

Go bills!

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by podunkowego on Dec 28, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve always been optimist

Ha!

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stevie throttled Revis pretty good

He may not do it consistently like those guys you mention, but game to game he’s got it in him to be just as good.

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by Dyl on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Stevie J number two

Stevie is a great number 2 WR. Hopfuly we draft a number 1 or get on in Free Agency.

by hunterbills on Dec 30, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’m speaking specifically about the list. We’ll get to the roster in its totality starting next week. Your point about Wood is well-met.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Levitre is great.

Most Guards cant switch over to play LT, and play well.

You are now Watching The Throne.

by tomcs on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that doesn’t make him great – it makes him versatile – Levitre is hardly dominant at pass or run blocking – adequate sure – dominant no – he can be upgraded

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Yes, but why the hell would he be upgraded? Good football teams are full of players like Andy Levitre. And if you’ve got one or two of those types on a list like this, who cares?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but why the hell would he be upgraded?

i’m not saying go do that because your right – good football teams are full of players like him – but it’s not like he’s some dominant guard that teams fear. He’s a good football player that you want on your team but he’s not special in anyway save for his versatility

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So you want a Top 10 Players Under 25 list with 10 future Hall of Famers?

Does any team have that?

Has any team ever had that?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

no – that’s not what i’m saying at all – i’m not even saying to upgrade the position. LG is one position that is set because of Levitre. But what I am saying is that he’s not anything special save for his versatility. He’s not dominant – if Nix were to take a guard in the 2nd round and plug him in at LG because he turned out to be more dominant in one area of the game I wouldn’t be surprised.

Don’t mistake for me saying that he can be upgraded for me thinking I expect or want him upgraded – i’m merely pointing out that he’s an average G that doesn’t do anything special.

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If you’re not saying that he should be upgraded, why say that he can? What does it matter?

Tom Brady can be upgraded…by Aaron Rodgers. Does it mean anything? No, because if you had Tom Brady on your team you wouldn’t give two $#%@s about Aaron Rodgers.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

it matters because you want dominant players on your football team and if Nix chose to pick a G in the draft to upgrade the position to a dominant player then that would help our football team.

Levitre has been consistent and a good football player but he’s not dominant and in my mind that means he can be upgraded. I’m not saying he should be, i’m not saying LG has to be upgraded at all. I’m just recognizing that Levitre is a good starter and versatile but not dominant and as such can be upgraded.

Your point about Brady and Rogers doesn’t apply becuase they are already elite where Levitre would be a 2nd tier talent and as such could be upgraded. But that doesn’t mean I want him upgraded at all. he’s been a good football player for us why would I want to waste other resources on an already set roster position? that doesn’t make sense and I would never say that.

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying Levitre can be upgraded is irrelevant.

Until he’s the worst player on our team, or until an OG of amazing value falls to one of our draft picks there is no point to focus on “he can be upgraded” in a discussion about how that player contributes to the team.

The QB analogy applies in the sense that focusing on whether a player can be upgraded is irrelevant and a waste of time if it hasn’t already been decided that he should be upgraded.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying Levitre can be upgraded is irrelevant.

it is absolutely irrelevant – I won’t question that at all. I was merely pointing out that he isn’t dominant and it turned into this tirade.

It is 100% irrelevant but that doesn’t mean that the option to upgrade doesn’t exist.

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

but that doesn’t mean that the option to upgrade doesn’t exist.

But being irrelevant in nature, it does mean it shouldn’t be brought up unless the discussion is “should we replace our LG” because bringing it up takes attention away from the matter at hand that is being discussed.

“Andy Levitre can be upgraded” is a little Thread Baby that after enough time, eating his veggies and drinking his milk, will grow up and practice his swashbuckling and become a Thread Pirate that goes on to hijack threads.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it does mean it shouldn’t be brought up unless the discussion is "should we replace our LG" because bringing it up takes attention away from the matter at hand that is being discussed.

why? I can say that because it’s true. Even if it turned out into this huge tirade at least the point that Levitre can be upgraded is out there – it fostered an opinion and we have had a good discussion

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

Because it’s irrelevant and hijacks the thread into a whole different conversation.

with that in mind – yes it does – I forgot you were on that point after going through all the Levitre conversations.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

is that a bad thing? it’s a blog – we do this stuff all the time!

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Nordic – you should be yelling at me, too, because I was one who prompted J2 to expand on his Levitre thoughts. We’re having a conversation, and we got back on track.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well maybe I’m just getting a little chaffed at all the perceived negativity that’s arisen in the back half of the season (a good portion of which seems nothing more than just to be negative)

but I do remember you being somewhat perturbed when random threads about different team aspects quickly swung around to becoming a back and forth talk centering around Aaron Maybin (prior to his fame in NYC).

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Woops. reply fail.

for BG.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

and for one

I happen to agree that Levitre is far from dominant.

#99 Mount Doom Dareus

by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Make that two

He is a solid player, but could be upgraded. ;)

by WhatGoesAround on Dec 28, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, I just have a problem with “Finesse” Guards who can be bullrushed. I get all of the above points, he’s solid and versatile, but far from dominant. I’d feel better about him if he was stronger at the point of attack.

#99 Mount Doom Dareus

by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You're welcome to that

But an “average” guard by that description keeps the mail running. That type of guard blocks well enough to protect the quarterback, pulls effectively, and opens holes in the running game (Levitre’s strong suit). The fact that he fills in at any position on the line in a pinch better than anyone we’ve had since Jerry Ostroski is just a feather in his cap.

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by Dyl on Dec 28, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever your stance on Levitre, let’s get back to the original point: you said that his being on the list made you less excited about it. So what, then, do you expect out of the list? 10 Marcell Dareuses?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no – I expect 10 players that have a legitimate shot at contributing to winning games in the future.

Easley maybe but we’ve never seen what he can do in the regular season at all – counting on him to do anything but play in the pre-season is premature. We don’t even know how he’ll play against teams that game plan for our roster.

Donald Jones is not a good WR – i’ll leave it at that.

The fact that both of them are on the list is concerning and there aren’t other young players on the team that look to have a legitimate shot at making this team better – especially considering that we should be stocked with young players because of a complete over haul of our roster. I would expect 10 players that I would expect to be here at the end of next year – Jones and Easley don’t fit that description to me

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But now I’m really confused. I said this:

Replace everyone from Sheppard down with those names, and the list looks pretty freaking sweet, no?

And you replied with this:

not to me.

The list would, haphazardly put together, look like this:

1. Stevie Johnson
2. Marcell Dareus
3. Jairus Byrd
4. Andy Levitre
5. Eric Wood
6. David Nelson
7. Aaron Williams
8. C.J. Spiller
9. Chris Hairston
10. Justin Rogers

Isn’t that dangerously close to this…?

I expect 10 players that have a legitimate shot at contributing to winning games in the future.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

with that in mind – yes it does – I forgot you were on that point after going through all the Levitre conversations.

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy to do. Thanks for clarifying. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

So now it's a list of guys under 27 ?

Brian, pretty much every NFL roster has 10 guys 26 or under who are as good or better than that list.

I get your point that we have some nice young talent, however I also get J2’s point that we are thin with that young talent and I’d personally feel a lot better with a slightly longer list.

I guess we need 1 more good draft (assuming the last 2 drafts turn out as good as we all hope they will).

#99 Mount Doom Dareus

by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, no. The five guys I added to the list are all 25 right now.

The reason I added them to the list was to illustrate the in-between period I was referring to: we’re talking about a list without current 25-year-olds and without new players acquired via the draft.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that

It’s a list of guys ages at the start of next season – no ? so some of those guys will be 26 by then. I just think you’re stretching the boundaries and the list to make it look a little rosier. You’re entitled to do that, but my point was if we want to go into a roster of NFL teams with guys under 27 starting at next season you’re really talking about over 50% of most teams rosters, and given those parameters your Bills list doesn’t look overly exciting compared to the lists other teams would have.

Goes back to what J2 was saying I guess – we’re thin on talent – both young and old. There is talent there, just not enough (yet)

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by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t “stretching the boundaries” to make it “look rosier” – I was doing exactly what I said I was doing in my previous comment.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i’m merely pointing out that he’s an average G that doesn’t do anything special.

Says you!!

The guy is a rock on the line, durable, versatile and has never missed a beat with all the injuries around him. If he played with the same 4 lineman for more than 5 games a year maybe he would be dominant. The best part is that he is still growing and improving each season. He is not dominate now but he is surely on his way to being an All-Pro…

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by Goose22 on Dec 28, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s good enough that he’s made numerous “Pro Bowl Snubs” lists for this year.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this

Your assessment of Levitre’s a pretty serious judgement call that can definitely be seen from another side.

by lord gloom on Dec 29, 2011 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

but he’s not special in anyway save for his versatility

He yet to miss a game in his career, so I would say durability is a current speciality of Levitre.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Also worth noting that Stevie probably won’t be on the team next year….with that said, I do think our list of young players (up to 26) is pretty freaking sweet. And I still have high hopes for Carrington.

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by Sawyer in Boston on Dec 28, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Bit Harsh Aren't We?

There are some holes to fill, but to say this roster is awful is way off the mark IMHO!

by mikeo76 on Dec 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with your post....but what happened to the J2 from before the season?

Where did this recent negativity come from? Prior to the season, I remember you being a pretty big proponent of preaching patience with this team and defending most, if not all, of the decisions made at One Bills Drive.

But recently, you seemed to have joined the “more critical voices” (to put it nicely), of which I am usually apart of, I admit. What happened to sap you of your optimism for this football team? Didn’t you even cite a 5 year rebuilding plan at one time? Were you really expecting a better record from the Bills this year? I’m not trying to call you out, just really curious, that’s all.

Again, not saying I disagree with your latest comments about the team….moreso trying to understand what happened between now and then that “opened your eyes” to such a different opinion of the team?

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 28, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I should also admit that I've been "rec'ing" your comments alot lately

so I def agree with your current opinion. Just wanted to make that clear, that I am not attacking you at all. Just curious.

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with all of this.

For me, the unwillingness to by our FO to upgrade at QB is simply shocking.

At the end of the 2009 season, after the Bills still couldn’t get good QB play from Trent Edwards or newly acquired backup QB Ryan Fitzpatrick after the FO had gone out and acquired Terrell Owens to pair with Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish, Josh Reed, Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch…if you would have told me then that 2 full years from now the only QBs the team would add to the roster would be Tyler Thigpen, Brad Smith and Levi Brown….and that Ryan Fitzpatrick would be given a six year, $59 million contract extension, I would have simply quit being a Bills fan right there and then.

It really blows my mind that our decision makers do not see the immediate need for development of a future at the position.

Thanks for letting me in on your thought process. Appreciate it.

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 28, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If you don't think we've got an elite NFL running game

I don’t know what to tell you. Our offensive line isn’t just above average at run-blocking, they’re good at it. Jackson and Spiller are about as good a one-two punch as you can find in the NFL. Our running game was easily top 5 and at times 1st in the NFL before Jackson went down, and that was while Fitz was destroying people.

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by Dyl on Dec 28, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

the leading rusher in the NFL as of week 10 was a buffalo bill. maybe im not clear on how to define “elite”, but id personally vote that having the running back with more yards than anyone else fits into that category
i think ur argument here about the playcalling is an indictment of chan gailey- not of the talent on the roster. the talent certainly seems to exist at one bills drive both at running back and on the offensive line to get big time rushing yards

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i think ur argument here about the playcalling is an indictment of chan gailey

that maybe but i’m still on the fence on that.

Is it that Chan is unwilling to run more or is masking a deficiency

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

absolutely

there is no reason that we don’t install run packages, to rush with our giant lineman, and utilize the strength of the roster. Anyone… and I do mean ANYONE that looks at our offense, and thinks passing is the strength, with 7th round and later WRs and a 7th round QB, is somehow better than running the Pro Bowl caliber RB, and the first round selection that everyone should now at least be able to accept can at very least play… is sadly, sorrily, and pathetically mistaken. We should definitely consider a run heavy offense, over a pass heavy offense, based solely on roster.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 28, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

your right

CJ Spiller is averaging 5.3 yards per attempt, and before Freddie was hurt, he was averaging 5.5 yards per attempt. If your averaging over 5 yards per carry, your definitely a dominant run team and should be running the ball more. We as a team are only averaging 120 yards per game because there are not enough attempts to increase the number higher to be ranked in the top 3

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 28, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone says we are a dominant run team by observing our stats in THIS offense and assuming this means we can do all this in some other offense. This offense has ripped off huge runs premised on the precise fact we established a threat of a short pass, we could go power set — we know that Fred Jackson, he wasn’t this good. He was good, but not this good. Gotta wonder if the backs are benefiting more or less from the offense (just because its pass first, doesnt mean its not improving their YPC and their matchups when their number is called. The logical thing to happen is they get more carries, the offense is more traditional and our running game gets worse not better. Very difficult to make these counterfactual predictions about how these RBS and o-line will look in a completely different make-up.

We have no idea if this is an elite running team, we simply know we run well in this offense. I tend to think we are not. We’ve gotten bigger on the line, but our middle push has been shady at best. HArd to say if this line can close a game on the ground, because we are so rarely burning the clock for a win, but I’m skeptical.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

assuming this means we can do all this in some other offense.

i didn’t say anything about “some other offense”. Aside from illegal formations, there is no reason we can’t employ a muli- Tight end set, or get a fullback onto the field, to add another true blocker to be a “hat” on a “hat”. We regularly ask WRs to block LBs, and though we have proven capable at times, I DON’T fully understand signing C- Mac to a 3 year extension, and feature him on 7 special teams plays a game.

There are more NFL teams than I need/care to recite that both employ 3-5 WR sets, while also running from I-formation. Here are some: GB, NE, NO, ATL, Carolina, San Diego, Philadelphia.

I don’t know about you- but I will gladly watch us run some of these types of formations, weak strong standard I formation, big set (21) or 3 WR 1 TE (more of this- we do use it some). I am not asking for options… or wildcats… or even wishbones. I am asking for standard run packages that allow a LB to be blocked by a TE/FB/OL instead of a RB/WR. Not rocket science bud.

we know that Fred Jackson, he wasn’t this good.

idk what this means.

I can assume you are attempting to imply that Fred didn’t have success in a system that employed run formations- but I would argue that when he led the league in 2008 in total purpose yardage, that he was certainly running stretches, and blasts, as often as draws and screens… and ran from power sets. We employed those same plays for Marshawn.

We have no idea if this is an elite running team, we simply know we run well in this offense. I tend to think we are not. We’ve gotten bigger on the line, but our middle push has been shady at best.

our primary runner is large for league avg. our line is large for league average. we play outside. we play in the cold (maybe not this year). we play in the snow. we turnover like crazy passing. we avg 5+ a carry—— and yet we throw twice as often. SURE- you could argue the “pass to setup the run” is the reason- but that is ONLY because we don’t have the evidence to compare on the other side of the argument. Should we have employed a Texans, Raiders, Vikings approach to offense- we COULD have been JUST as successful at running.. we don’t really know. I guess you can assume that means no. I am gonna stick with it still being a “maybe”…. and be leaning towards a “probably”.

agree on your last statement in regards to burning the clock for a win. I have to wonder if we didn’t throw on first and second, if we might be a tad better on 3rd. Additionally, I wonder how much better our defense could be, or how many fewer injuries we may have suffered, if we could maintain possession. And finally, I have to wonder if we might have won more games, because we stayed in them, rather than getting blown away early, and having to come back from behind after a turnover- and then try to do so with short passes. Seems like we could have ran WAY more often this year than we did. Like, not even a question to me. Look at the number of throws to passes in every game, and there is no way you see it as balanced, like Chan CLAIMS to try to be.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 28, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the only things i have to say to this are:

1.) This is a passing league now, so even if you run well, games are still going to come down to the pass.

2.) If we ran more, there’s no way we’d be getting 5+ yards per carry for Fred and CJ.

I don’t disagree with you, but it’s a more nuanced problem than can be easily answered.

by lord gloom on Dec 29, 2011 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

All I’m doing is pointing out that its not as simple as we run well now, therefore we will run well if we change the offense (i.e. go run-heavy with 2 TEs, more often, like you suggest). J2 even notes he’s not sure if the scheme and playcalling is intended to mask a deficiency. If thats rocket science, “bud”, than we have lift-off. I tend to think its just a point and may not be proved wrong or right, but could be an alternative explanation.

Freds total purpose yard year was 2009 and that includes 1000 kickoff return yards. That says a lot more about the fact he performed major return duties than the effectiveness of our run game. Why are you choosing a stat that obviously obfuscates the clear improvement in his run game this season?

FredEx was averaging 1 yard per carry more and 3 yards per reception more than his best season yet, he already set personal highs for TDs ALREADY. Thats just a very bad stat to use to argue we’ve seen Fred before this well in the run game. What argument is there that we’ve seen Fred play this well before? We haven’t. He didn’t suddenly get 25% better. All I’m saying is the running backs might look more elite BECAUSE of the plays and formations not DESPITE them.

As I said, we don’t know the counterfactual of how the Bills look in a run-heavy offense. But I think this lack of evidence makes me wary to assume it would look better. Precisely because our runners are performing well NOW. I also think Fred isn’t as talented as McFadden or Peterson (neither as fast or strong or young), nor is our line the equal of Houstons. But maybe it could work, like my original post said, its difficult to make the prediction.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

As I said, we don’t know the counterfactual of how the Bills look in a run-heavy offense. But I think this lack of evidence makes me wary to assume it would look better.
I guess you can assume that means no. I am gonna stick with it still being a "maybe"…. and be leaning towards a "probably".

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

HArd to say if this line can close a game on the ground,

This is kinda what I was getting at with my fanpost last week about drafting a bruiser RB. Can we presently shift gears to control a game on the ground in the 4th quarter ? I don’t think so. Our YPRush is high (4th in the league), but Rushes Per Game is low (26th in league). Screen passes are like rushes, OK, but not really. A rush is like a jab in boxing. A screen is like a glancing blow. Last week was a great example of contolling things by Gailey: after a big gainer, he would come right back with Tashard up the middle. Smash. Short gain, big effect. Now, insert bigger RB…

by JapanJohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Where they were drafted don't matter

If we had Marques Colston, Miles Austin and Stevie Johnson with Kurt Warner as our QB would you say the same thing? Where they were drafted is irrelevant – how they play and contribute is what matters.

Nelson plays at a consistent level.
Stevie is one of the better WRs in the league.
Fitz is a middle of the pack QB.

All that being said, the argument should be our passing game is far too inconsistent to be relied on as much as Chan tries to rely on them. The argument should be to stick to running and play action passes and move away from the shotgun spread – not because of where drafted – but because of consistency and effectiveness.

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Dec 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

their production matters.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 28, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll Quess

The latter, masking deficiencies. Our O/L has improved but were not dominate.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because our playbook doesn't have a power-running focus

doesn’t mean that we’re not an elite running team. I’m not sure why one would think that. Plus, Fitz is averaging 39 passes a game without Jackson and was averaging 32 passes before he left. That doesn’t sound like a lot at first glance, but it is. It’s on Gailey to recognize we should be running more even without Jackson, because, as evidenced by Spiller last week, we can be very effective doing so. Our line isn’t A-1 quality, but in the running game they do their job well. Our runners have had big holes to run through all year, a simple glance at the film shows that.

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by Dyl on Dec 28, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And

Our sack totals are low so we possess great pass blockers or is Fitz throwing quicky? Just saying Chan is covering for our lack of overall talent.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can’t it be a bit of both?

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by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

OK?

Who said it wasn’t? :)

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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you kind of did…

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by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Its hard to stack the box

when you have to cover 4 wide recievers. Thats chan doing his thing not a lack of ability IMHO

by CarJak_101 on Dec 28, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont know

but 4th in rushing average and 11th in rushing yards is pretty scary, close to dominant on a team that abondons the run in the 2nd half of most games.

by CarJak_101 on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Top Green Bay Packers Age 25 Or Under

under the same parameters brian seems to be using (guys who will be 25 or under heading into 2012):
Jermichael Finley
Sam Shields
Bryan Bulaga
Morgan Burnett
Randall Cobb
Derek Sherrod (?)
……
after that we have to sort through names like TJ Lang, Marshall Newhouse, Frank Zombo, , DJ Williams, etc etc. Some useful players on this list for sure, some guys (like zombo) have been surprisingly productive early in their pro careers. But this list is not chuck full of all stars. The bills top 10 list lines up very very well with an equivalent one from the green bay packers, in my opinion.
the point is, a list such as this really isnt a great litmus test for how well a franchise is doing. it seems more like an effort to highlight some exciting young talent that is currently on the bills roster, believe it or not

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

2 completely different scenarios

Sherman has been drafting for them since 2001 and McCarthy has been their coach since 2006. The Bills just completely blew up their roster last year and can’t even field a list of 10 young players that have a great chance at being successful for this team going forward?

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re not different scenarios, though, within the context of the list. As someone above said, 25 and under creates pretty slim pickings. Even the most consistently excellent teams in the league, like Pittsburgh, will fail to populate a list like this with 10 perfect names.

And the organization itself doesn’t have anything to do with the list. That’s a different discussion entirely, and one we’ve had ad nauseam for months. Hence this post. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

but i’m not looking for 10 perfect names – i’m looking for 10 names I can honestly say have a legitimate shot at contributing to future success.

do you think that Jones and/or Easley fit that description?

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, actually. i do. only thing standing in easley’s way is his health, and jones has already proven to be a commodity on special teams and as a depth receiver.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Easley, yes, but like you I have given up on Jones. I would say that Jones coul dbe replaced by Troup, but I’m close to giving up on him too.

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by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont see what the difference is in terms of this list, actually.
mccarthy has been drafting out of the exact same talent pool as buddy nix the past 2 years. all thats relevant for this post really is those 2 draft classes.
more to your point, u make seem like buddy nix shouldve somehow gotten 10 young future all stars on this team already. how in the world is a GM supposed to do that?

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

at no point would i expect ANY NFL team to have 10 future studs on their team who are 25 and younger. i just dont see how thats possible. they would literally have to draft 5 all stars per offseason

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's give Detroit a try (in no particular order):

Matt Stafford – age 23
Ndamukung Suh – age 24
Jhavid Best – age 22
Mikel LeShoure – age 21
Titus Young – age 22
Nick Fairley – age 23
Loius Delmas – age 24
DeAndre Levy – age 24
Cliff Avril – age 25

That’s 9 very solid players. the 10th would be not as good. But in addition, they have these guys who just missed at age 26:

Calvin Johnson – age 26
Brandon Pettigrew – age 26
Lawrence Jackson – age 26
Justin Durant – age 26
Stephen Tulloch – age 26
Eric Wright – age 26
Alphonso Smith – age 26

Pretty impressive

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 28, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I almost used Detroit as an example because they are 3 years removed from a complete roster overhaul – had early draft picks like the Bills have had and a complete coaching and FO overhaul.

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by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

They actually didn’t have a complete FO overhaul. Mayhew and Lewand were on Millen’s staff. I’m not sure if they had a scouting overhaul or not, but the Schwartz hiring was obviously brilliant.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

as was Mayhew's...

do you think we could steal him? Sort of an appeal from the team that got him started in the NFL???

Just a thought….

Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!

by Cinga on Dec 28, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Our list will also look considerably better after the third year, in my opinion.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh

As long as we get our Stafford yep. :)

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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is to hoping…but I wouldn’t hold my breath (I know, I know, 12 years and counting…)

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

that is an impressive list, no argument there. the lions have done a very good job recently putting a solid young team together.
for what its worth, leshoures a stretch for the same reason easley is- guy hasnt actually played yet, jahvid best’s 3.7 YPC isnt exactly mind blowing, fairley has yet to crack the starting lineup and has 11 tackles on the year, and cliff avril technically doesnt qualify, as hell be 26 heading into the 2012 season.
when its all said and done i dont see why that list is any better than brians up there, take away one name (matt stafford) and that team isnt any better than the bills are.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Best may be finished due to concussion issues, sadly.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This exercise is silly, in all honesty, the point is simply we have two drafts and those our the best players from it. For whatever reasons our 2009 draft has slightly older players than Detroit so they don’t count for us, where as Detroit got Stafford and Pettigrew and Delmas. So we are basically comparing three drafts to two.

Not only that, but Detroit has had 5 first round picks in the last few drafts, from trading up and other residual from the Roy Williams trade. So their top end is gonna look better compared to us, who only have 2 first round picks that qualify. Maybe our depth is better from making more picks over the time period (maybe not), but the list isn’t gonna account for that.

I think all the back forth is nice, but the point of the post is simply that these are the young players and its not bad. Can we find comparisons that are better sure? But I think we can find comparisons that are worse too. To me its a nice list for only including two drafts.

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by greysquirrel on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I also like Cinci's (in no particular order):

Andy Dalton – age 24
AJ Green – age 23
Jermaine Gresham – age 23
Brandon Tate – age 24
Andre Smith – age 24
Geno Atkins – age 23
Carlos Dunlap – age 22
Michael Johnson – age 24
Rey Maualuga – age 24
Taylor Mays – age 23
Robert Sands – age 22

That’s 11 players under age 25. (10 if you want to consider Andre Smith a bust already.) Not too bad.

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 28, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Andre Smith is not a bust given he looked solid this year, but Taylor Mays most definitely is … Though again, we basically didn’t draft younger players in 2009 so this includes the top draft picks from 2009 for cincy, but not for buffalo. But I think this is starting to lose the spirit of the list in the comparisons to other teams.

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by greysquirrel on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

somehow gotten 10 young future all stars on this team already

not what i’m saying at all – but how about 10 young players in which 2 of them aren’t awful of have never seen a regular season game?

by J2 on Dec 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on some of that J2

I did not mind the top 8, however when I saw Easley and Jones at 9 and 10 I really cringed big time and t hought to myself “So, we have 8 decent young guys and thats it”

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by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

But

Cupboard was bare, 8 tangible players over two yr. period isn’t bad is it?

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by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all

However given how bare the cupboard was we had to have at least 8 guys get a lot of playing time – which in itself would land them on this list. It’s not like all 8 on the list are on their way to being probowlers – they are just young prospects with upside. Every team has these, bad teams have more because they draft earlier and their young guys get more playing time (because the Vets are not so good).

I’m not blaming Nix here – obviously there was no talent before hand and yes there is SOME promise with this list – it’s just very thin. Blame the previous regime if you like, the point remains the list is thin and having Easley and Jones on it makes it look worse than perhaps it is.

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by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It is difficult......

To find hope for 2112 with this Bills organization, I think the list is one way of finding some.
Thanks Brian and Happy holidays to you and your’s and everyone at buffalo rumblings.

Go Bills!

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by podunkowego on Dec 28, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thats 101 years away my friend...

enjoy the moment :-)

Come on Buffalo, please?

by bflo on Dec 28, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

D'oh!

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by podunkowego on Dec 28, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Freudian slip referencing our next trip to the playoffs?

"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"

According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)

by fansince60 on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

if you added the ages of every defensive player on the Bills, then multiply it by three, that total will be half the total age of the Pittsburgh Steeler defense.

or Ravens defense, whatever, your preference is.

by JJS on Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Brian, Donald Jones won’t be here next year, it’s gonna be Easley, Johnson, Nelson, Parrish, Brad, and probably a new guy

by rick p on Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think it’s probably a bit premature to make that prediction, and especially predict that two unrestricted free agents (Johnson, Parrish) and a guy with a heart condition (Easley) will beat him out. And even if he’s not here next year, who cares? He still makes my list.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And even if he’s not here next year, who cares? He still makes my list.

This I like :-)

also, I think you’re right that he’s still on the team next year – even if it’s as a #4 or #5 it’s unlikely he drops out of the top 6 altogether with the above points you make.

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by Will G on Dec 28, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

donald jones is not going anywhere. hes an ace on special teams and hell be just fine filling out the back end of the WR corp.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Bell???

I really thought Bell showed he has what it takes to be a VERY good LT for the Bills???

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Dec 28, 2011 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Bell will be 28 in May, is an impending unrestricted free agent, and has missed 17 games in three years.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost totally disagree with J2

The past 2 years have gone well looking at the young talent we have now. Hopefully next year will be a great off season and we will continue to get better. Fitz can be the guy for the short term. A year in the Bills off season conditioning program will decrease the amount of injuries and with a couple more talented players this team can make the playoffs. A WR, CB and 2 OLBs away, and obviously more depth.

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by tomcs on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

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Marcell Dareus has had a capable rookie season. I’m satisfied enough with his play to accept that he’ll be just fine in the years to come. I’m not really sure whether he can be expected to get 10 sacks a year; but he might. For the moment he’s an athletic 330 lb. thorn in the side of our enemies’ offensive line and looks like he’ll get better as he gets into his prime, picks up some understanding and training.

Aaron Williams looks like the next Terrence McGee as a worst scenario, a guy who in the very least will be around for 10 years and hold down the position with some talent. I’m really excited to see how he develops in years 2 and 3. He was one of the least hyped players in his draft class here at Rumblings, but he may turn out to be the best player yet in Nix’s drafts.

I always thought CJ Spiller was a bad use of a draft pick, for reasons that are dead horses by now, but I’m finally seeing something really good. Until this year I never really saw anything out of the guy. He looked like an explosive that someone forgot to light the fuse to. He’s more than flashing things now, he’s displaying technique and pro-level instincts. Let’s see some more of that, because Fred Jackson won’t be around torching defenses forever.

Chris Hairston‘s probably going to be better than Bell, but will that be enough to make him more than a stopgap at LT? I need more sample size to make a conclusion here. At least we know that someone’s manning the post now who needs more of a look. Bell was done here.

I didn’t give Justin Rogers two looks until he was kept in favor of Reggie Corner. I didn’t give him a third look until he made the first play on defense. Now I can’t take an eye off the guy. 30 yard kickoff returns and blossoming coverage skills has me really intrigued. Maybe another classic late-round Bills find.

I’m rooting for Kelvin Sheppard, and wondering if maybe outside linebacker could help mitigate his coverage deficiencies. Probably another year in the league next to Nick Barnett will do wonders for his game in general, though. I’d rather leave him in the Will and see how he responds after another year or so.

Da’Norris Searcy is somewhat of a mystery – it’s clear the Bills are getting bigger and more physical in the secondary. He played competently, but then again, so did Ko Simpson at times. Looks like good depth in his second year.

Alex Carrington seems to be somewhere in the middle of expectations. He’s not a bust like some have labeled him, but he’s not lighting up offensive tackles or the stat sheet, either. If anything, he looks indistinguishable from Spencer Johnson. Good, but not much better than depth or stopgap starter quality.

I wish Marcus Easley could stay healthy, because this guy might actually be the No. 2 WR we’re all looking for to put next to Steve Johnson. He had such a good preseason this year that he’d almost claimed that slot by his play. Yes, yes, preseason doesn’t mean that much, but it’s not meaningless either. Honestly, he may be the guy.

Donald Jones probably didn’t deserve to be put at No. 2 receiver. A few comments from Fitzpatrick during the lockout workouts and his size measurements gave him the advantage there, along with Easley’s absence. Right now I don’t think it’s a big deal to retain Jones past his rookie contract. He’s what we have in spades at receiver already; middling talent that’s capable of overachieving but doesn’t look like the real future.

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by Dyl on Dec 28, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not good

I don’t see enough on this list to write off the team’s struggles as the obligatory growing pains for a young, re-building team. Dareus looks like he has a bright future and while Spiller has finally shown flashes down the stretch to anticipate much bigger things, his overall body of work two years in is still pedestrian. Aaron Williams and Hairston have had an injury plagued rookie seasons and while I like the flashes Rogers has shown, I doubt many view him as a legitimate starting cornerback down the line.

All and all, this is merely list of young players who probably belong in the NFL on some level, but really haven’t distinguished themselves as players likely to develop into the cornerstones of a contender from what I’ve seen. In other words, every team in the league has executed a number of draft picks over the past two seasons and most of them have received some playing time simply by virtue of the investment made in them. Have any of these players above (aside from Dareus) really differentiated themselves from their peers league-wide? Personally, I find it distressing that only Dareus above has earned a starting job thus far for any reason other than “by default.”

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Dec 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

quit being a fan then.

seriously. all you say is how bad the Bills are with no real facts to back it up. If you want to say the Bills suck and have no hope for the future then at least back it up with some stats. Because I wont totally disagree with you. But Dareus, Aaron Williams, Justin Rogers and Spiller, have all played great. Shepp, Hairston, Searcy, and Carrington have all played pretty well. What do you expect? 20 pro bowl players instantly after they were drafted?

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by tomcs on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

i am anxious/nervous as you are. because we are depending on all of these young players to be good starters. Theres a pretty big risk here. So I totally see what you are saying, but you are not backing it up with anything.

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by tomcs on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

rereading my first post

I totally respect your opinion. I just get irritated by people with negative comments with no factual information to back it up. And I do not understand your last sentence. Don’t quit being a fan- that was dumb of me saying that.. sorry.

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by tomcs on Dec 29, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Spiller

It is nice to see that Spiller could turn out to be Fred Jackson, but with elite speed. The Bills should attempt to get a bruiser running back in the draft (later rounds)…. Defense again I believe is the order of the day on days 1 and 2 of the draft….

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Wow stunned by the negativity

One of the best o lines in the nfl. I think the third fewest sacks allowed. We had the league leading RB pre injury. His back up has looked pretty darn good, too. D Bell looked great pre injury. Hairston was a strong backup. Wood was dominating pre injury. Levitre who people want to think of as average, graded out strong Blythe folks at pro football focus. Stevie was studly as a number one even though he had a goin injury all season. He vacationed on revis island. Oh yeah he had no help on the receiving squad either.

The defense leaves omething to be desired, but I really like our db’s. Williams, Wilson, Byrd, searcy and anyone other than Florence will make a studly set of dbs with just a bit of pass rush. Barnett was real bright spot both against the run and in coverage. Look at the rb’s that were held under 100 in the first five games: McFadden, Charles, McCoy; when Williams and dareus were on the field together, even though Williams was hurt. How can you not like a defense that intercepts the ball to end drives? There is no better way to end a drive.

The thing I like best is these guys are signed for the long term.

Yes, the 2010 draft was a bust at best and those gurus have been fired. The 2011 draft was top notch. The FA work on the o line has been great. I think 2012 will be the end of the drought. Three years in, just as originally said by Buddy Nix. We need to resign Stevie and bell, draft a pass rusher and a wr. Very few teams dominate other teams in the nfl and when they do, it is usually based on turnovers which we excel at getting.

I was one of the most critical people on this site during the jauron era and of the 2010 draft, but we r on the right track now. Let’s get positive and stay behind the mgmt staff.

by wab2 on Dec 28, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

One Of Best O/L?

Why because sack totals are low? See Fitz throwing short and quick. Run blocking? See FJ and Spiller as of late showing why their great RB’s.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

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by Dyl on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Troup? He didn’t do much this year with his back injury, but if he comes back healthy – with a full off season – he might blossom. He could help give the DL different looks with Dareus and Williams.

by jhloje on Dec 28, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

I have never been high on Troup, straight back through the pre-draft process in 2010. I never saw upside there. That’s not to say he can’t be a good player, of course.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Two very different arguements.

1. The point of the post is players under 25. First off it’s still too early to judge; granted there are clues. I read the tea leaves as this group is respectable. A proviso is that the first 3 players listed were layup equivalent, as were Wood and Levitre. That is encouraging in that previously they couldn’t make a layup. I agree with Brian on Troup, which harkens back to the previous 10 years. Many scouts now use the criteria of 2 good players from a draft is good, and 3 is excellent. Using that yardstick ‘10 is doubtful and ’11 has a chance.
2. J2 and Port are negative on the roster quality, which I agree with. However the donut hole is from the ’04-’08 drafts. Not much to show from a group that would now be at their athletic peak. To those that think this is incorrect, I respect that. However I also see too many evaluations that are heavy with the words “if” and “might”.

by GPSjr on Dec 28, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

Sorry GPSjr, I think I just flagged you instead of rec-ing.
I agree that the problems we have now are not due to Nix/Gailey; they are fixing the problems that were made previously.

by JapanJohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Elaborating on J2's Elite running game point

I see some good arguments for considering Buffalo’s run game elite and some good points about the passing game setting up the running game. Freddy and Spiller have put up very similar numbers in the running game this season. As a season ticket holder and someone who has watched every game, I can agree that our run game isn’t elite. I can think of countless 2nd-3,4,5,6,7 that turned into 3rd-1,2,3 which was followed by a pass on third down. When we tried to punch it through it has been stuffed a lot. If you have watched spiller closely the last few weeks, he has had a couple of nice gains up the middle, but most of them are from draws( out of shotgun), counters or sweeps. That’s not to say the Bills having the leading rusher after week ten isn’t impressive or elite its just that we don’t know how to pound the football. I’m not even sold the line needs much of an upgrade, but instead point to this team needing a Lendale White( no I’m not saying White was good past that season). When Chris Johnson was at his peak he was used much like Spiller is now. The only difference was he wasn’t asked to keep drives moving on third an 1 every time, something he doesn’t do well either. Buffalo’s run game is close to giving people a lot of problems next year, a healthy Wood and company will help as well.

But to say they were elite this year, is a bit of an overstatement, especially if you look at the Run defenses we played early this season. A power back could put us right there in 2012.
As for the list Brian, couldn’t agree more LOOKS PRETTY FREAKING SWEET (minus Donald Jones ever starting again). :)

by Matty Coco on Dec 28, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

If we don't draft.....

A qb by round three, I will be flabbergasted.

I say we take a QB in round one. Everyone git rid of those Fitz jerseys.

My hope is that we get a big name FA or two this offseason. Bell and Stevie are huge losses.
Bell’s only problem is staying healthy. Otherwise he is now a quality starter.
My season-ticket holding friends tell me Stevie Johnson is frequently open without a pass coming. And when it does come, Stevie usually has to adjust to make the catch and loses any chance of getting some RACY. Fitz is done in bflo. If stevie goes, we will regret it.

We will never get good enough without filling a hole with a probowl FA. Pass rusher would be ideal, but may be too rare to hit FA.
So, get us a franchise CB, Wr or TE chixy.

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by podunkowego on Dec 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

This list looks considerably better than it did during Jauron’s last year here, in my opinion. But that probably has a lot to do with hindsight.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

And fact.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Dec 28, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually don’t agree with that. The Bills had a bunch of 24 and under guys going into the 2010 draft.

Stevie Johnson, Wood, Levitre, Poz, Byrd, Lynch, Maybin, Whitner, McKelvin and pick number 10 from a group of mediocre names.

Does that list not clearly beat what the Bills have now? Maybe it is a reverse hindsight thing and guys like Rogers, Hairston and Searcy end up making this list look in a few years than it does now. And by reverse hindsight, I also mean that we would have put guys like Shawn Nelson or James Hardy on this list a few years back.

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by kaisertown on Dec 28, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I also mean that we would have put guys like Shawn Nelson or James Hardy on this list a few years back.

This is my point. If we are being objective, we would have included these names. Looking at that list (yes, using hindsight), I am more excited about this list than a list including Nelson and Hardy, and Whitner, and Lynch (who had stopped impressing me, and didn’t run all that well his last year here), and I was never over-the-top about Poz. Also, would Johnson have been on the list? We hadn’t seen him play at all yet.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 28, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

this kinda has me confused, this mini thread here.

I personally, agree that the current list is better than what would be the previous list.

however, it would be based solely on the fact that our current roster players, seem to be capable of more upside, than the old list. This is the only reason I might think that there is more potential here, because we kept most of the “potentials” on THAT list, which helps make the “new” list of potentials, have MORE potential. Hopefully that reads ok. I know what I mean, i just don’t know if the rest of you will.

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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha you know what I mean, but everyone else might not? That’s…odd to say ;)

I was following the thread just fine…now, however, you’ve gone and confused me…

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

no- i know what i mean, but i could understand if others don't know what i mean.
I was following the thread just fine…now, however, you’ve gone and confused me…

lol

i confused me too, obviously. Like i said though, I think the reason we could feel more optimistic about the “new” list of prospects that have potential, is because many of the “old” list were retained, and therefore aren’t needs. Basically, we can ultimately say, we are making progress, though slow, and this year will likely be the determining one. Either we make a sort of jump, and are in the playoff race at the end of the year, or else, we aren’t making as much progress as one would hope, and we might be starting over, again, still. or still, again. or something.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Does that list not clearly beat what the Bills have now?

It doesn’t CLEARLY beat it…hindsight or no. Most of the players are the same, and could be argued to look better than they did then. Hair-man’s potential as a starting LT is definitely something you could put up against either Poz or Maybin.

It might be either way but it’s not a clear advantage for the first group.

by lord gloom on Dec 29, 2011 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Superbowl win somewhere between 2014 and 2016

but in order to do that, we have to have 2 more great drafts. We have some nice pieces in place, just need some more play makers, one at WR and OLB or two, another cover corner, another ILB, maybe DE or another NG, a few more depth players, i guess i’m not asking for much. Franchise QB would be nice to have for 15 years of dominance. Of course, if you believe in the Myan prediction about 2012 then i guess my prediction will fail.

Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 28, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

I loved reading the back in forth of these comments. My opinion lies somewhere in the middle of most of the comments.

J2, I think you’re being a little harsh with this list. It’s a fairly solid list and the Bills have plenty of young guys on the roster who could overachieve their draft status or performance to this point in their career and make the list look better in hindsight (although, I guess you could also make this argument the opposite way considering that there are an absurd six rookies on the list).

I also totally get where J2 is coming from though. It’s not nearly as impressive of a list as Bills fans seem to be making it out to be. IMO, it’s an average, at best, group compared to other NFL teams and that’s despite having the luxury of having a 3rd overall and 8th overall pick and earlier picks in later rounds as a result of picking that high. Somebody mentioned Green Bay, but when the Bills list isn’t any better than a team that’s been picking at the back end, it’s not something to get excited about.

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by kaisertown on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Whoa..........

That was the best thread I’ve read in a while.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Whoa……….

That was the best thread I’ve read in a while.

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Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i refuse to use gillette products

because the pats play in their stadium.

reverse advertising revenue. probably not what they expected :P

by lord gloom on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Fitz doesn’t use them either…

"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"

According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)

by fansince60 on Dec 29, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I refuse to drink Land Shark, because the Dolphins play in that stadium…

also I don’t want Montezuma’s revenge.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

one talented guy makes the next guy look better

We need better players but the thing that worries me is how we could have a 7 game losing streak and get blown out in so many games. That’s actually worse than last year even though I think our players are better than last year.

by Bill Frank on Dec 29, 2011 5:59 AM EST reply actions  

Arthur Moats? I would say he should be 9 or 10 over one or both of the WRs. Is he older than 25 or has that hype train passed?

If he does fit the age criteria I think a guy with pass rushing ability and athleticism at a weak position for the Bills should get the nod over a guy who hasn’t played a down in 2 years and a marginal possible #2 option.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Moats was on the list last year for me. He is not now. And yes, he’s under 25.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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