Bills vs. Patriots: Stevie Johnson Not Buffalo's Only Key Impending Free Agent
by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 AM EST
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PrintMuch is being made about the Buffalo Bills' regular season finale against the New England Patriots potentially being wide receiver Stevie Johnson's final game in a Bills uniform. This is happening for a good reason: Johnson is a talented young player eyeing a big pay day, and he's poised to do something no other Bills receiver has ever done by recording back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons.
Johnson isn't the only key player potentially playing in his last game, though - he's just the best and most important. Sunday may be the Buffalo swan song for two key impending unrestricted free agents, as well.
Scott Chandler has made the tight end position relevant in Buffalo again. Though he's hardly been a world-beater, he's been highly reliable and dangerous in the red zone in recording 35 receptions, 360 yards and six touchdowns this season.
Bryan Scott, operating out of his hybrid linebacker/strong safety role, is currently fifth on the team with 59 tackles, and he's added a sack, two interceptions and two defensive touchdowns this season. A highly important sub-package player in George Edwards' defense, Scott is also playing the final game of his current contract after spending the last five years in Buffalo.
We know Johnson is the hot topic, but between Chandler and Scott, who - if either - should the Bills prioritize bringing back?
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seems simple enough
but between Chandler and Scott, who – if either – should the Bills prioritize bringing back?
If we let Chandler go, who do we have to replace him? At least in Scott’s case, we have some depth.
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by Gpluehri on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly........we need to sign Chandler AND find another TE
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
yea
Id also say that Bryan Scott underperformed this year. Id like him back for a reasonable contract. Chandler needs to see some dough though.
But lets be real, the issue is and will only be, Stevie until his contract is hashed out
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agreed......I hope they don't turn Johnson's contract situation into a 3 ring circus by signing Clowney...
see what I did there ;-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Chandler needs to see some dough though.
I’d disagree with that – outside of the first couple games he was largely invisible and is on track to average about 2.5 catches per game. TE is definitely a position that needs an upgrade, but can live with Chandler for a while until we get a real playmaker in there
by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I do think that we do need to resign Chandler but I don’t necessarily agree that we NEED to find a playmaker at that position. I think that Chandler can actually be that playmaker on offense. He looked pretty fast to me the few highlights and the rare game that I have been able to see. He definitely looks faster that Witten and he has done pretty well over the years.
Chandler is good to go imo .. I beleive he wasnt given the opportunity to shine with the other teams .. now that he has found a home .. he will be able to perform much much better in the next season to come.. so re-sign him at a reasonable contract .. and let ONOBUN prove his worth …
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he showed himself
to be the kind of tight end who will produce as much as you are willing to throw at him. He was our most reliable receiver at times
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I’d like to hear your rationale on the Bryan Scott underperformed thing, because, well… you didn’t provide any. :)
59 tackles, a sack, two picks, a fumble recovery and two touchdowns? What more did you expect out of the guy?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Scott’s a solid reserve. His coverage skills are mediocre, but he’s a sure tackler, has good hands and is rarely out of position. He’s well worth a $1M-$2M per year.
I know he's more of a hybrid, like Brian said
but as a linebacker, he is, in my opinion, the best in coverage at his position
by wagonblaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Also of note – he is currently the only Bill to show any kind of consistency in covering the opposing TE. For that alone he should be retained, and he’s a player that I doubt the Bills will have to fight a bidding war over.
Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)
by syrbillsfan on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True
and I also happen to like Scott as a player and think he’s worth reserve money and a spot. However we DO rank dead last in defending opponents TE’s in the passing game. So if he is our best in that area it’s still not good enough.
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agreed
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
@ Syrbillsfan
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I would say the biggest miscoception is that tackle stats matter. Last year buffalo’s defensive stats only no special teams included had over 300 more tackles than there where plays on defense.
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by matthew62 on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you Brian
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
sure
he has had big moments, like I said, I like Scott. But I also think he gave up a lot of big plays. There were times where he was cleanly beat and I just dont know if hes worth big bucks. You are right, maybe I did expect too much but he was on the field a lot and I dont think starter money should be on the table from the Bills.
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I'm with you
We need an upgrade at OLB anyway- why not grab one who can cover tes in nickel, and be on the field in our base as well. Or two guys- Scott has use- but his value is his versatility, and there are other versatile guys who are younger, bigger and faster, to consider before we sign him, thus having some leverage to keep him from expecting “starter” money as poz calls it.
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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 1, 2012 6:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
keep your playmakers
Bills need to keep Johnson,Chandler and Scott. They are all play makers. Jackson is 31 next year Spiller has seen the light at the end of the tunnel. Keep the offence intacked. Defence we can get rid of some dead weight like lights out and concentrate on LBs and corners. We were killed by our defence this year.
1. Stevie Johnson will be back. Without question. If they can’t reach an agreement, they’ll just franchise him. (Obviously)
2. If I had to choose b/t Chandler or Scott, I’d hope that Chandler is the priority. Bryan Scott serves no use for me.
Unless he gets tagged and traded ala Peerless Price
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Cause it's CJ Spiller - all Frickin Night, and no-ones gonna save you from the Beast that just struck ya. You know it's CJ Spiller ! You're fighting for your life against the Spiller Thriller tonight !
boooooooo
but true.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly it's as realistic an outcome as any other
Maybe even the most realistic outcome.
That said, I’d much rather have Stevie here than an extra draft pick ( late first rounder / early 2nd rounder ). We’d only end up spending a high pick on another WR and history shows that WR’s in round 1 and 2 have a pretty high fail rate once you get out of the first 5 or so picks.
For every Dwayne Bowe or Hakeem Nicks that hits in late round 1 there are 3 or 4 who amount to nothing near a Stevie Johnson (Buster Davis for one example). Round 2 gets even uglier as for every Desean Jackson or Vincent Jackson there are 4 or 5 James Hardy or Eddie Royal / Donnie Avery/ Chad Jackson guys taken.
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agreed…after qb the wr position is next biggest hit or miss in round 1 followed by DE. oddly enough the bills need an upgrade in all 3. i guess thats no coincidence since the best teams tend to have the most talent at those 3 positions and the bills have been seeking an elite guy at all 3 of those positions for years now.
i do disagree with stevie’s value to other teams though. i dont think he would get us a 1st round pick in a trade. he would probably get a 3rd rounder unless we sign him super cheap and the contract is hugely beneficial to the trade partner. that being said i want the bills to keep him. if for no other reason that it sends the worst kind of message to the young guys in the locker room if stevie were to be traded or not resigned at all
by Air Compressor on Dec 30, 2011 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
Chandler
Hands down…how long has it been since we’ve had a reliable TE? The answer: far too long. Personally, I would like them both back but given the choice…Scott is much easier to replace.
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by TexasBillsFanatic on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions
How long has it been?
Well, Mark Campbell had 17 catches for 5 TDs in 2004.
34 catches for 1 TD in 2003.
Riemersma, 32 catches no TDs in 2002.
53 catches, for 590 yards, 3TD in 2001.
So, I guess that’s the answer. 2001 since we had a reliable TE. 11 damn years.
Scott Chandler this year, 35 catches, 350 yards, 6 TDs. If Chan wouldn’t forget he is playing for weeks at a time, I think his numbers will look like Riemersma next year.
PS. I like to pretend that Robert Royal never played for us.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Robery Royal didn't ever play for us
At least his actions seemed to indicate he was always playing for our opponents.
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Cause it's CJ Spiller - all Frickin Night, and no-ones gonna save you from the Beast that just struck ya. You know it's CJ Spiller ! You're fighting for your life against the Spiller Thriller tonight !
Crap
Robert Royal even – though Robery is just as fair a name for him after the contract we gave him and what he produced for us.
It's close to Midnight, somethings lurking in the backfield. Under the Bright Lights he cuts so fast it almost stops your heart. You start to scream, but he's in the End Zone before you make it. You're Paralysed.
Cause it's CJ Spiller - all Frickin Night, and no-ones gonna save you from the Beast that just struck ya. You know it's CJ Spiller ! You're fighting for your life against the Spiller Thriller tonight !
sad
its sad that riemersma was our last decent TE and he wasnt even that great. i would love for chandler to finally break the bills streak of crappy TE’s since it tends to be the most underrated position in the sport. a great pass catching TE creates so many match up problems and if you talk to any good coach he will tell you thats the ultimate key in this sport…favorable match ups.
by Air Compressor on Dec 30, 2011 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
How do you figure he is much easier to replace @ Texas?
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Bryan Scott is under-appreciated, IMO
I hope the Bills resign him.
Between him and George Wilson, they provide some great veteran leadership. It is evident that Scott is a guy the younger players look up to and try to mimic (his fantastic work ethic) if you have ever attended training camp practices at St John Fisher.
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by StroudFanClub on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Chandler
A 6-7 268 TE with good hands that is only 26 is a must resign. That’s not to say Scott is unappreciated but the defense has struggled the last couple of years with Scott playing a key role (not blaming him) but the Bills have a young secondary with potential. Byrd is ready to step in and be a young veteran leader of the unit….
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couldnt agree more…chandler is a good TE. i wouldnt say great but hes young has very good hands and can actually block.
scott on the other hand is very versatile and is good depth at multiple positions but with the way this defense has performed i dont think anyone, short of dareus and a few others, should be guaranteed a roster spot.
by Air Compressor on Dec 30, 2011 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that Bryan Scott is under appreciated, but it would have to be the right price to keep him. I like the guy a lot but I don’t want to overpay him. Chandler should be a higher priority than Scott at this point. And if this article is correct, I can’t believe Andre Reed never had back to back 1000 yard seasons?!? That is crazy news to me. And I really hope we don’t let Stevie go, but I’ve seen stranger things happen.
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Tough decision
Out of the 2 I’d have to say Chandler, however to me there’s really nothing that’s all that special about either. I’ve thought this franchise should pursue, either through the draft or free agency, a big time TE prospect or veteran TE for a while now. Don’t get me wrong, Chandler is a great story having been signed off of Dallas’ practice squad and all, but it really doesn’t seem like he’s the answer at that position. And with Scott, he’s a good player but as was already stated he plays at a position on the team that has some depth, which makes his resigning not a high priority IMO.
by gfbillsfan on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Of the two I would say Chandler.
I would also put Rinehart, Urbick, and Bell equally as high on my priority list.
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Prioritize?
Why? It’s not like the Bills are hurting for cap space. The Bills had better not bee ‘prioritizing’ which free agents to sign because the front office can’t handle multiple deals at a time…
I’m more than a little pissed that the Bills haven’t locked up Johnson already. He’s one of the few Bills who could make any roster in the league—and start on almost any team. Why hasn’t he been re-signed? It’s not like he isn’t willing. If memory of the contract talks early in the year serves, it isn’t like he was trying to become the highest paid WR in the league.
Chandler should already be re-signed as well. No, he’s not the long term TE answer but he’s good enough to at least be a steady reserve. He can’t possibly have high contract demands. At this point in his career, Scott is pretty much in the same boat. Neither man is going to draw much interest in the free agency market—they should have both been locked up.
What, exactly, has Buddy Nix been up to the past 4 months?
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by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
The question was for fans, not the Bills. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t you think that the fans are questioning the Bills’ handling of the impending free agents? I suspect that the fans en masse will call for Nix’s head if Johnson is allowed to walk in the offseason.
Again, what has Nix been doing since the Fitz extension?
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by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wishing he hadn't done the Fitz extension.
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by radan on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's pretty funny!
Trolling for other team’s leftovers to patch holes caused by injury. Kicking the tires on field goal kickers, stuff like that. He’s probably doing some scouting for the draft as well. I am pretty sure he’s not just siting idle. He probably learned his lesson on why you don’t extend major contracts in the middle of the season.
Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)
oh, you mean, free agency?
Trolling for other team’s leftovers to patch holes caused by injury.
because really, you basically just defined what free agency is.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
LOL@trolling…….. don’t trolls live under bridges?
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
lmao @ billsfanstuckinthesouth
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I see a bit of a problem here
This Bills roster is and has been lacking superstar talent across the board regardless of position. Stevie Johnson is as close to a superstar as were going to get right at the moment and needs to be locked up. Chandler outside the red Zone was almost useless but, this teams red zone offense is; well without Chandler, pretty abysmal. As for Bryan Scott, he plays a made up position with the Bills, he’s to small to be an everydown LB, and his pass coverage is weak enough that he can’t be a SS or a CB, so he plays the Buffalo Bills Nickel LB position, on any other team he wouldn’t make the roster cause hes such an in betweener. So I say cut Scott, sign Stevie Long Term and if you can’t find a better red zone threat re sign Chandler.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chandler outside the red Zone was almost useless
are you crazy .. granted there wasnt any finesse to his gameoutside of the redzone .. however there has been more than a coouple times he has made/created some outstanding plays/catches for us …
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ouside the redzone??
So youre saying the blocks hes made to make Fitz the MOST undersacked QB of the year is useless??? Like Deion says, ‘CMON MAN!!!’
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If I had to guess
What, exactly, has Buddy Nix been up to the past 4 months?
Sipping ice tea and whittling wood on his front porch swing while singing “Green Acres”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbk81X6WHA4
Tell me that isn’t Buddy driving that tractor :-)
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"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Keep scott too, he's a playmaker.
he’s not a great overall player, but he can make some great turnovers.
I would say both of the above are high priorities
The Bills have a lot of cash available under the cap and they should use it to sign Stevie, Chandler, Bryan Scott, Fred Jackson, Ryan Lindell and Demetrius Bell. With over $30 million available (and more if they amortize) they can easily do all of that and acquire one or two good FA’s (preferably a TE like John Carlson and a deep-threat WR). I’m assuming that we are talking about reasonable contracts for Chandler, Scott and Bell. If any of them want to be paid like a star then let them go.
AGREED
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by khameleon59 on Dec 30, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
this says bryan scott is an RFA not a UFA
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/2012/buffalo-bills/
what to believe?
I’ll believe BuffaloBills.com over some website I’ve never heard of. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Also, RFA rules tend to apply to younger players starting their career. Scott’s been in the league for nine years, and will be 31 in April.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly the reason he needs to hit the door!
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by PaullyPforPrez on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the site
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Not that long ago, BR was a site I had never heard of....just sayin :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
for that site, you need to go here:
"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"
According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
WOW....Len Dawson and Rod Woodson have testimonials on that site
guess this was football related after all :-)
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"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Can we upgrade either position? I imagine Scott will be worth more in FA and the team has adequate depth at safety. The team might have more athletic options already on the roster at TE but I’d prioritize Chandler ahead of Scott.
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by dnvrBillsfan on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Brian.....
How would you rate Chandler as a blocker? He seems to not like blocking to me….. At least when I look, which hasn’t been often.
I would say Chandler if I saw him dominate once or twice in the blocking category.
Scott had a great year and I would love him back in the fold. He was key in one of our most used and most successful packages.
Undecided without further review.
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Chandler’s a willing, but not remotely overwhelming, blocker. He’s too tall and lean to get consistent push, in my opinion.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be real
Stevie is/should be Buffalo’s top priority. If they let him walk I will be more pissed off about this team than I have ever been. I like Scott Chandler but buffalo could upgrade. It would be nice To keep Bryan Scott.
by NCblofan on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'll take Scott
I’ll take Scott Scott over Bryan Chandler.
by Easy Ryder on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
The question is...
Who is Scott Scott? I’d like to meet this guy. lol
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by billsoferie on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Bell
Isn’t D Bell in the last year of his contract? I know his injury limitations and the presence of Pears and Hairston matter, but he is still an important player.
Did I miss something?
by LoydKristmis on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
He’s not playing this weekend. Thus, he’s already potentially played in his last game with Buffalo. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
i am ok with this.
though, for the right price, i would keep him for depth. i don’t know many teams who would pursue him as a starter anyway.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Any that have a terrible LT. He’s certainly not among the best, but when he’s healthy he certainly holds his own at the position.
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i like him at LG
where he would be prototypical, and excellent depth. otherwise, he is likely to be too expensive for what he really provides, which is an injury prone oversized TE who had never been a great, but more like a passable LT.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Needless to say your opinion of him is considerably lower than mine. Either that, or your faith in Nix to replace him is considerably higher.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
idk
i guess if you feel his a capable starter, and Hairston should be reserved to depth, then I would disagree. Hairston has better size, equal experience at the position, and more upside. I base this off direct comparisons to their play this year, which is admittedly unfair, to some degree, given Bell’s injury. However, Bell is consistently injured, and LTs are too important to wager a team on a guy who can’t stay on the field, especially when a younger guy with equal or greater potential resides on the roster. If he could be re-signed in the 4-5 range over 3 years, I would think about it, as he is a young 28. But Hairston is my guy, and has been since pre-draft, so I am admittedly biased, but for good reason so far, IMO.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I definitely want Hairston to be the starter going forward, but I want Bell to be the depth behind him. If we have to sign him for somewhere nearer $3M a year, I’m fine with that. If we need to pay him true starter LT money, then that is probably too high for him, and if another team wants to shell out that much then maybe we should let him go…but then again, he’s a capable starter, so maybe he will get an offer.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
i don't know that he couldn't get more than 3 on the market
which is why i expect we might pay the 4 or so, for the security… I really don’t know how Nix will approach this. Either he will need to further address it in the draft, losing his picks that he obviously values, or he has to pay a guy they have no invested interest in… but who supplies needed depth at a pivotal position.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Is Bell restricted or Unrestricted this off-season ?
Trying to remember if he was a 3 or 4 year guy.
Mental blank – always tough to remember with late round guys who dont play their first year – thats my excuse anyway for being too lazy to look this one up myself :-)
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I am under the impression he is an unrestricted free agent
though, i don’t know for sure.
i wouldn’t be at all surprised if Karl Malone’s son found some other team to be his home next year. And considering he is having a lower leg surgery… I don’t even know that it matters. Hairston is likely the starter at the beginning, in the middle, and end of camp, and then the starter for the season, barring injury.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
"barring injury."
This is why we have to bring Bell back.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
for this reason i wouldnt be surprised if the bills took a jonathan martin or reilly reiff with their 1st pick assuming bell isnt resigned
by Air Compressor on Dec 30, 2011 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
resign Bell for depth
pleassseee!!!!!! we don’t need to let him go too and use up another valuable draft pick on a position that was fine to begin with (you know what I mean.) letting him go would create more holes that would have to be fixed with another draft pick or FA. at that rate, we will never get ahead. resign the players you have who you know are valuable to US (whether theyre superstars or not) and be done with it so we can cont to build and get better.
Franchise Stevie Johnson? No frakking way
I’m not sure what the franchise cost for a WR is these days but Steve Johnson is not worth it. He’s not that good of a receiver to get Top 5 pay.
They did change the rules on the Franchise tag with the new CBA. It’s now the average of top 5 at respective position over the past 5 years, so its not as pricy as it once was. I believe it’d be around $9 mil.
"What it takes to win is simple, it's not easy."
-Marv Levy
It's going to be $9.4m.
Still too much for Stevie but probably necessary.
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by twoeightnine on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's only necessary because Nix failed to get him re-signed during the season
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
I think you might be missing the two way street problem here. We have no idea what Johnson’s agent is asking for. Is he looking for 9+ per year average? Is he looking for a hefty bonus up front?
Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)
Didn’t we get some numbers on this early in the season? I think I remember Johnson wating $9ish million and the Bills wanting to pay him something closer to $6ish million. If my memory is right (could just be post Christmas travel hangover) those numbers aren’t really all that far apart in the grand scheme of things….haggle and settle somewhere in the $8ish million range and have done with it instead of waiting until the franchise tag is the only option.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
What if one side or the other isnt interested in haggling but seeing what a hardline can get them? Its so easy for us to make negotiations a quick and painless process in our minds, but agents and Overdorf dont share our priorities most of the time.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 29, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get that sense from Johnson. He seems like he really wants to stay in Buffalo. I don’t know that he’s going to drop his demands by much but there are ways to draft contracts to make both sides happy.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
reports were around 8 a year for 4-5 years.
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by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
$7.5 Mil a season, roughly.
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by stetzwebs on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what Johnson wanted or what the Bills offered?
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
That is, supposedly, what Johnson asked for. It’s in a fanshot.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
If Nix actually turned down $7.5 million per year for Johnson I’ll be furious.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
I’m not certain that he turned it down so much as tabled the discussion. Though if the rumors that they were $2M a year off had any validity to them then I, too, would be furious. $7.5M for our #1 WR is not too much to ask, at all.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
$9.4 million for one year favors the club rather than the player due to the lack of long term liability. The large number is diminished by the lack of a signing bonus. There is a reason that no players (outside QBs due to insane annual figure) are comfortable being tagged- it favors the owners. If Buffalo scoffs at franchising Johnson due to the price tag, it will be due to frugality and nothing more.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Buffalo scoffs at franchising Johnson due to the price tag, it will be due to frugality and nothing more.
Or a clear sign that Nix doesn’t recognize talent that needs to be retained from so-so players who don’t need new deals.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
There's that too
In either case, they can’t cry “too expensive” if Johnson isn’t brought back.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
well, for stevie
to have nearly 1,000 yds rec this season without a deep threat wr opposite him taking some of the coverage like last yr when we had evans says a lot about him. I say draft the kid out of Baylor, Kendall Wright. But I wouldn’t get him in the top 10 which is where we look to be drafting.
I love Scott…but agreeing with most of you – we haven’t had a legit tight end in forever. People who are proven to be able to catch touchdowns should be on our team. Huge reason I chose Chandler is that HE IS ONLY 26…and this is the first year he has legit playing time. The guy can catch,run, and block. He is a vital part of our team going forward no doubt about it. Scott is good too, but the question is “between Chandler and Scott, who – if either – should the Bills prioritize bringing back?” We are building a foundation here, there is no doubt in my mind that Chandler is a massive upgrade over any TE we’ve had in a very long time.
Id say Scott
This guy makes plays. 2 defensive touchdowns come on……….
I'd say Chandler since he is 4 years younger and could be a long term piece for the Bills.
I’d obivously be dissapointed if Scott left since he seems the only defender who can remotely cover traditional tight ends (bigger TE’s like Gronk and Witten), but since he’s 30 already I’d have to put him #2.
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They're all important.
if we’re prioritizing, then Bryan Scott is the odd man out because of his age and the overall quality of our safeties, but I really like him. We keep whining about how we have no depth and therefore our weaknesses get magnified after injuries. Well, you build depth by keeping guys like Scott, Chandler, and Stevie.
Give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things that can be changed, and the wisdom to know one from the other.
Need Chandler back
Chandler has had one decent year in the NFL. It’s a no-brainer he would want to come back. He’s bounced around enough already and likely wants some stability. I see a 3 year, 8 million contract. Bryan Scott is getting up there, and while he did make some plays, he is a liability in coverage at times. No reason his role can’t be replaced by Searcy next year. Let him walk. Bell’s continued injury problems overcome his improved play this year – I can really see him coming back on a one year deal and let him and Hairston battle next year. He won’t score a big deal as a UFA. He fits the profile of a one-year ‘prove yourself’ deal. I think letting Bell go creates yet another unwanted hole. They obviously will not sign a backup swing T (based on prior history) and Bell is a very useful player when not injured. Urbik is a RFA so there is no way he goes. Rinehart is a UFA but he’ll stay the same reason Chandler will – continuity and in Chad’s case he can expect to start a few games per year too. Nice situation for him. Priority list in order: Johnson (duh), Urbik, Bell, Chandler, Rinehart, Lindell. First pick on a pass-rusher, other pics should be TE, DE (2). FA sign a WR2 and TE2. Let’s roll in 2012.
Simple answer for Bills Brass
Who is the cheapest one to sign? I am convinced that Brandon, Littmann and Overdorf are on the same page as Ralph. Pretend that you care about fielding a winning team while you are counting your cash. If you look at the players that have walked away, been passed on, traded or cut, I think you can clearly see it is all about the money and nothing about fielding the best players. I am tired of hearing the “small market” argument. Green Bay is a small market. Buffalo gets roughly the same amount of money as Dallas, Green Bay or NE does. No there is not a lot of money in corporate sponsorship, but that doesn’t effect the salary cap in anyway. I look at the situation for Ralph Wilson and the Buffalo Bills much like you would look at any other franchise. Would an owner of a McDonalds franchise in a rural community outside of Buffalo expect that he is going to turn as much profit and have as much in sales as an owner in the middle of the city? Would the McDonalds franchise owner in the suburbs put up a cheaper product so that he could make as much profit as the big boy down town? NO he would accept that his profits are going to be a little less and suck it up and put the same competitive product out for his costumers. That is what is not happening in Buffalo my friends. Year in and year out the Buffalo Bills put a mediocre product on the field and we the fans continue to buy a less than competitive product. Now Ralph says “be patient, it will be several more years” After 12 years, how much patients do you expect fans have left?
Pretend that you care about fielding a winning team while you are counting your cash.
Where does the overpaying of guys like Fitz and Kelsay fit into your argument? Wilson isn’t a cheapskate. He’s been convinced not to break the bank for some players by his front office. In some cases, like Nate Clements, it’s turned out to be exactly the right approach. With other players Buffalo has been remarkably short sighted. I see it as the front office’s inability to distinguish the treasure from the trash.
Green Bay is a small market. Buffalo gets roughly the same amount of money as Dallas,
This isn’t remotely true. while all 32 teams get identical shares from the league each franchise is able to raise more money independently. Most do it through things like endorsement, luxury boxes and PSLs. Buffalo cannot compete with large market teams in that arena.
but that doesn’t effect the salary cap in anyway.
It doesn’t effect the salary cap but it does effect how the Bills are able to pay things like outrageous bonuses. If I remember right, the Bills finished last season something like $40 million in the black. One enormous signing bonus pretty much wipes out that cash (not to be confused with salary cap) while the cap hit is finagled over several seasons. Buffalo’s economic status is a big part of the equation and will be until Albany is willing to do what it takes to lure businesses back to western New York.
Year in and year out the Buffalo Bills put a mediocre product on the field and we the fans continue to buy a less than competitive product.
Therein lies the conundrum. We continue to go to games, buy merchandise and whatnot even though the team doesn’t succeed. By doing so we encourage the same results year in and year out. Failing to do so, of course, would lead to the Bills’ relocation…possibly within Wilson’s lifetime. So, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
I’m not disagreeing with your sentiments but rather the standard “Ralph is cheap” boilerplate. The team, in my opinion, underwhelmes because the front office hasn’t identified and retained talent and instead given enormous contracts to guys who wouldn’t be guaranteed of a roster spot on the really good teams in the league.
If you want to raise the “Ralph is a horrible judge of front office personnel” argument, I suspect that you’ll find greater support.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Good job Ron. I believe the same problems, especially the one with fans going to games and buying merchandise, etc. with the Bungles. Unless we all knock of the purchase of 7 new jerseys after every draft, etc. and stop buying tickets – how is Ralph supposed to know things aren’t OK?
Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)
But, if Bills fans did that, wouldn’t his natural inclination be to either move the team or sell it to an owner who the fanbase – in his estimation – hadn’t turned on so ungratefully? It’s a dangerous game, considering the tenuous hold Buffalo has on the NFL as it is.
I’ve become more and more convinced that the front office is the real problem, that Wilson is unable to identify the type of GM who will assemble a winner.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would help if they looked beyond their own organization for one to start
“I’ve become more and more convinced that the front office is the real problem, that Wilson is unable to identify the type of GM who will assemble a winner.”
Marv Levy, Buddy Nix, yikes. At least they went out and got Whaley here.
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by StroudFanClub on Dec 29, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
Just being comfortable with a guy who is in the building doesn’t mean that he’s the right guy to turn the franchise around.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
whoa?!
WTF is wrong with Marv?!?!
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im pretty sure Ralph knows things are not ok. whether people want to believe it or not he is a competitive guy and has shelled out money in the past. look at the donahue era…he signed a decent amount of big names back then. and as Ron From NM points out, not that it needs to be, Western NY continues to degenerate except for some suburban areas. the region as a whole has been hemorrhaging for 2 plus decades now. we dont want to use that as an excuse for the bills sucking but it is a fact regardless and does affect Ralphs pockets which logically and understandably will affect the on field product.
id say the bigger issue with Ralph is his ability or lack thereof to step aside and hire quality people to better determine WHO to give those big contracts to and who to let walk. that has been the bigger issue the past ten years not this misconceived lack of spending money. they are in the middle of the pack as far as salary cap. the highest is dallas at 136.6 mil and Tb the lowest at 59.7 while buffalo is 96.4
by Air Compressor on Dec 30, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
I agree completely!
The problem with this organization has been terrible drafts and a brutal front office. Ralph wants to win, just like the rest of us. How is Green Bay and Pittsburgh able to compete year in and year out, in such smaller markets? And the Redskins are not exactly taking the NFL by storm.
And by the way, I live in Raleigh, NC, where the unemployment rate in NC is higher than NY at close to 12 percent. This is what happens when you send textile jobs and furniture jobs overseas, similar to all the manufacturing jobs that left NY state for Mexico, China, yadda, yadda!
by BuffaloWhiner on Dec 29, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I live and 1hour and some change away from you then. and totally agree with you, the unemployment rate here is higher then even NY. But i still have faith that Buffalo’s current management can turn things around.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
When you speak of faith do you mean in religious-type-take-it-for-granted faith? Or have you seen something from the front office in terms of competence that I’ve somehow overlooked? So far the best Nix has done is arguably the draft…
2010 draft:
Spiller: finally showing signs of being a real asset
Troup: didn’t do much, been hurt quite a bit
Carrington: hasn’t done a lot but been at least a decent reserve
Easley: his next play will be his first
Moats: seems to be a one trick pony
Batten: looks like a solid special teamer
Wang, Brown, Calloway: gone
It’s too early to really judge the draft but it’s not looking terrific at this point, probably shakes out as a so-so draft class 3 years down the line.
2011 draft
Dareus: great pick but then how do you screw up the #3 pick?
Williams: picked because he had a first round grade on him, looks like a good pick
Sheppard: seemed to come along, pressed into starting role maybe a bit early
Searcy: special teamer, looked a bit lost when forced to start, may pan out
Hairston: not going to make us forget Jason Peters
RB White: MIA
LB White: Is he still on the team? IR maybe?
Rogers: has had a few nice plays
Jasper: getting a shot this week
The top half of the draft looks promising so that’s a credit to Nix. We’ll have to wait and see how it looks a couple of years from now.
There have been a couple of worthwhile free agents signed but those decisions have to be weighed against some poor re-signing and cutting moves. I’m just not seeing Nix getting Buffalo to the promised land but, like I said, maybe I’m missing something.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've always hated the Troup selection with pick #41 overall
but to look back now and see Rob Gronkowski selected by the Pats with the very next pick is truely nauseating. smh
(yes, hindsight is always best, but you’ll have to take my word that I disliked the Troup pick from the moment it happened.)
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by StroudFanClub on Dec 29, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I did too. I thought Gronk had a lot of potential, obviously I didn’t see what he’s doing now coming.. but some of that is Brady too. I really wanted us to take the hometown kid, would’ve been awesome if he did here what he’s doing in Foxboro. I at very least was hoping we’d take Terrance Cody instead of Troup.
"What it takes to win is simple, it's not easy."
-Marv Levy
exact same as you.
If we were going NT, I wanted Cody. And he’s turning into a decent player for Baltimore too this year after a so-so rookie year.
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by StroudFanClub on Dec 29, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Same, hated it
pretty confident we could have got him in the third round. I warmed up to him after realizing what a hard worker he is but at that point in the draft JUST PICK THE TALENT.
by BillsThickNThin on Dec 29, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I hated the switch to the 3-4 more than I did the Troup pick.
The switch dictated the pick in this case.
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yep
I’m in that boat with you Van. Just needed more talent in the front 7, maybe go to a bigger 4-3 like the bears have. Oh well, can’t always get what you want.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well, from my years of experience of watching many drafts and watching other organizations building championship caliber teams that it takes time. Roughly 5 years. It takes 3 years to properly evaluate a draft. So far after 2 seasons have i agreed with all of Buddy’s decisions? No, but with that said his drafts at first take have been better then the past regime, but that falls squarely on the owner for taking too many short cuts to save a buck in the front office structure. But Buddy has restored some sense of structure so this is a good move. He has brought in some Free Agents that are playing well, as well as UDFA that were over looked in the draft, and has a couple of hits there. But on the other hand, there are a couple of mistakes too, like not going after Curry from the Seahawks, not signing Stevie before Fritz, and overpaying for Fritz. But much like a head coach that is signed for 5 years, i believe GM’s are in the same boat, 5 years. If they cannot build a championship caliber football team or the evidence of one, the Coach is definitely gone, and sometimes the GM is right behind him. You also have to give both Chan and Buddy a pass this season, because of the lock out.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
You also have to give both Chan and Buddy a pass this season, because of the lock out.
I won’t give Nix a pass due to the lockout. I can see cutting Gailey a little slack since he didn’t have the usual amount of time to get everyone ready. Nix’s job, however, isn’t as time sensitive. Nix has a habit of converting first rounders into late round picks (Lynch, Evans), throwing average-at-best guys outlandish contracts (Kelsay and possibly Fitz), and failing to get some of the best players on the team (Jackson, Johnson) locked up for the next half decade. None of those were lockout related.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think i was referring to the 2010 draft class. Sorry, maybe i should have been more specific with that comment, but that was what i was referring too. No OTA, or mini camps i think stunted the growth of that class.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Because we dont yet know how the draft classes will develop I left them out of my examples. I’m becoming more disenchanted with Nix as time goes on. The situation with Stevie Johnson has really crystalized it for me.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think i pointed that out as well. Stevie should have been a primary signing during the season, not for a high dollar contract, but maybe a base of 5 mil, with incentive bonuses. I think Stevie still has room for improvement. But i’m a fair person too, if Stevie made the necessary improvements in 2 seasons, i would go back and pay the man if he ranks up there with Fitzgerald, and Johnson. And i also agree, Lynch was let go for less then market value, they over paid to keep Kelsay whom is totally out of position, and Fitz is also a bone of contention with me also. So i guess we both agree there are mistakes, i’m just not ready to throw him under the bus. But he is at the bus stop though, but i’m reserving judgement for another season. Then i might be at the bus stop with you helping throw him in front of the bus.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
disenchanted with Nix as time goes on. The situation with Stevie Johnson has really crystalized it for me.
Stevie is not lost yet. His deal will probably be a tough one to put together, like Fitz’s, so they might be waiting for the season to be over so they have time. Remember Fitz was signed during the bye week.
As for Evans and Lynch being first rounders turned into 4th rounders…
We got seven seasons out of Evans before turning him into a 4th rounder.
Lynch earned two strikes against him in his first two seasons for off-field actions. I was actually for trading him right after the marijuana/handgun arrest.
Dareus: great pick but then how do you screw up the #3 pick?
Ask Joey Harrington ? hehehe. Sorry Ron, just had to say that.
I think your analysis of the first 2 drafts is bang on so far.
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How is Green Bay and Pittsburgh able to compete year in and year out, in such smaller markets?
They have a system that they stick to and coaches that last longer than three or four years.
by JapanJohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is Green Bay and Pittsburgh able to compete year in and year out, in such smaller markets?
The name-location for their team is not indicative of their market. The Packers just recently overtook Dallas as the franchise with the most “fans”. GB has always had a market larger than the state of Wisconsin.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 30, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Can't disagree
I can’t disagree with your comments and maybe this is more the truth, but Ralph has shown to be cheap in the people he hires to run his front office. As I’ve said in several of my posts, it has been bad decision after bad decision from this front office.
but Ralph has shown to be cheap in the people he hires to run his front office.
Now this is an interesting point. I had always thought that he hired people who weren’t very authoratative becase he didn’t want a Polian style ego clashing with his own. I hadn’t considered that his front office picks could be financially motivated. Does anyone have information to refute or support the theory that Wilson skimps when it comes to hiring GMs?
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
well putting Brandon in charge of the circle of suck doesn't help disprove that theory
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
True but....
…..were there ‘real’ GM candidates out there? Was Pioli, for example, still in New England and ready to be poached. (Not that I think Pioli is great but he was well thought of at least at the time….and may have been expensive.)
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone have information to refute or support the theory that Wilson skimps when it comes to hiring GMs?
no – but the Bills do have one of the largest scouting teams in the NFL. So if he was skimping you wouldn’t see that. Paul Brown has zero scouts – they make their coaches do it – FWIW
by J2 on Dec 30, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe thats the answer !!
The Bills have one of the largest scouting teams in the NFL? If this is true, maybe they would be better off going the Paul Brown route, Can’t say he has done a whole lot worse and maybe that would free up some money to keep their better players. Once again, a bumbiling front office top to bottom
We need Receiver's desperately!
This team needs to draft another receiver, even if they are able to keep Steve Johnson. We can find another Chandler through the draft or free agency. It isn’t as if he is another Gronkowski. And it would be nice to have a Tight End that is a lot faster, ala Jimmy Graham, but that comes only through great scouting. i like Scott, but seems Bills have more depth at this position to replace him than others,
They lack a deep threat, a speed receiver. Even though Fitz can’t throw the deep ball, I think Chan had invisioned Roscoe taking some 10 yard passes and turning them into long TD’s with his speed. But since he is often injured, that hasn’t materialized. Sure would be nice to grab someone like Joe Adams in the draft.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
If Easley could ever stay healthy
I think he’d surprise some people. He could be that huge athletic guy we need. Also we lost our four fastest WRs this year one way or another in Evans, Easley, Parrish and finally Jones. Our WRs as a whole are pretty nice, we just need one game changer opposite Stevie and then guys like Nelson, Jones and Easley (God willing) could play their roles. I’d still like to draft a WR in the first round one of these years, look how Megatron, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, AJ and Julio can do to an offense.
by BillsThickNThin on Dec 29, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy with Dareus....
but wanted AJ Green over him in the draft… Oh well… Look forward to seeing who was right, and hopin’ I enjoy some crow…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Nice stat about the back to back 1000 yard seasons
I thought for sure Moulds or even Reed had back to back seasons with 1000 yards. Well done Stevie J, you made me look good.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 29, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions
why is everyone so in love with Scott?
we will be spending more money on special teamers than on wide outs or tight ends
stevie and scotty would both be doing even better on some other teams. Part of the reason we haven’t been successful in 11 years is that we have let our key players go, london fletcher, takeo spikes, jason peters, jabaree greer, Ralphs unwillingness to pay the guys who are producing is frustrating. It feels like he will always be trying to strike gold without spending too much like he did in the 90’s. Also if we still had those guys we could have drafted differently and maybe not whiffed with so many high picks because we needed to fill a position. Ralph Wilson being TOO!!!! cheap is the single reason the Bills haven’t made the playoffs in 12 years
london fletcher, takeo spikes, jason peters, jabaree greer,
I agree that the Bills have let a lot of good-great players walk. I don’t agree that it’s always because of money, though.
Spikes was injured a lot when he played here. Looked like his career was over.
Jason Peters held out when he still had a year left on what was a generous contract when he signed it. Peters himself admitted that he was not physically ready for openeing day that year. If I was a business owner, I too would be ticked off, and probably not want to pay that guy a boatload.
As for London Fletcher…that was about money, IMO. He was a heady player and has been missed.
Greer was a bit of an extra part for us.
The guy I hated to see leave was Antoine Winfield. That guy was a great tackler and good in coverage.
If anyone can be lost!
I say resign Chandler and Stevie. If the Bills let them walk, then we are left trying to refill those positions which is exactly why the Bills have been treading water for the last 10 + years. Scott, although useful, is the most affordable to lose!
we simply cannot afford to lose a WR at this point
not to mention, he has multiple years of development, and proven production. we should be adding MORE weapons… not letting our current ones go.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
Regarding Chandler
the same applies. We haven’t had a TE in so long. We cannot afford to lose a TE at this point. We need ADDITIONAL weapons… not to stick with signing developmental guys, and then letting them go after they have developed. We are not likely to be able to build a team employing that method. It hasn’t been successful for us anytime recently.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
if we fail to lock up both players then fail on OBD part
by J2 on Dec 29, 2011 6:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
agreed
We actually have a chance for progress. Given the number of injured players returning, and the fact that TWO draft classes will get offseason training and conditioning… We really could establish some better depth, we can get key returning pieces ready to prove the beginning of the year wasn’t just a fluke, and that we can be productive, consistently on offense. We definitely have some serious needs on defense (OLB, CB, DT (Troup), and still DE, because Edwards isn’t getting any younger.) and our offense is still lacking weapons in the passing game- but that is exactly why we must re-sign both of these guys.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
by ThaRealTruth on Dec 29, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
In the beginning of the season we did not know who was going to be our #2 receiver.
At the end of the season we still don’t know who is going to be our #2 WR for next season so letting Stevie go would have to be because of money. Yes we could go shopping for two top line WR’s for next season, but Stevie would be the logical choice. We are pretty set for the slot and #4,5 and 6 can wrestle for the final roster spots.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Yes we could go shopping for two top line WR’s for next season
This is what worries me. I have a bad, bad feeling that Johnson will either be tagged and traded or allowed to walk…..and that Nix will try to bring in Vincent Jackson. Knowing Buffalo’s luck, Johnson will be gone and Jackson will pick a different team.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
This really should not even be a conversation,and frankly I am a little discouraged it has come to the end of the season and your number 1 WR still goes unsigned,you sign your QB after first few weeks in and then thats it no more in season contract extension they have got to be kidding I commend Stevie with playing 100% while hurt most of the year,as contract talks had seemed to had broken down,yes he needs to improve more and grow up some (but dont we all),but he is clearly our number 1 WR and a good one , remember the move to let Lee evans go because of the emergence of Stevie, why not bring in Vincent to go with stevie takes some of the double teams of him and then you might have something, as far as signing chandler definate must we have got to build a team and stop letting everyone go after 2 or 3 years end starting fresh again
you sign your QB after first few weeks
Fitz was signed during the bye week. That extra time to negotiate might play a role.
the move to let Lee evans go because of the emergence of Stevie
I think Evans wanted out, so Nix let it happen.
And it was the right move....
Just ask the Ravens, we let go of Evans at the right time….
'Fight on my men' Sir Andrew said, 'A little I am hurt but not yet slain, I'll just lie here and bleed a while. Then I'll rise and fight again!'
I hope we re-sign all.....
BUT!!!!!
No one on this team deserves to be guaranteed a roster spot… Look at the posts above….
How many of them say, well yeah, re-sign this or that guy because they are the best we’ve had in a while????
Even posts mentioning Stevie as a great #2 or 1A receiver… Comparing Chandler to Riesmersa, or in love with Scott because of his 2 pick 6’s…
Folks, we are Bills fans, and we tend to attach ourselves to certain players for some reason. But Even Stevie, who ALL of us love, CAN be upgraded…
Personally…. I WANT our entire roster back next season, including the ones discussed, and the ones on IR or out for this game. But I want competition for every single one of them as well… Make them earn the job….
Cinga rant over…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
by Cinga on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Folks, we are Bills fans, and we tend to attach ourselves to certain players for some reason. But Even Stevie, who ALL of us love, CAN be upgraded…
you are totally right, HOWEVER- we have more spots than we can upgrade immediately, so sometimes you have to keep the veteran, who is just as upgradeable later, for the sake of continuity. it isn’t like we can draft 53 next year. Besides, he is your “franchise” QB’s go-to-guy, and basically always has been. Why take your best WR option away from your struggling offense two years in a row, and then keep running a spread offense? We need MORE weapons. Not less.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
by ThaRealTruth on Dec 30, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Alamo Bowl about to start
Time to see a little RG3.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
first drive....RG3 looking good
live arm, great accuracy, threw a strike with a rusher bearing down on him, didn’t panic after a bad snap and still made a first down throw that was called back on a penalty, drive ends with WR running in a TD throw.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
I wonder....
if in the NFL, they will just give him #3 so they can drop the III ???
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
I like that second drive....
especially the 4th, no question, no hesitation to go for it… Caught them way off guard….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
yep.....want to see him throw the deep ball now
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
He is from a military family.....liking this kid even more
love the fact this kid grew up with discipline.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
That would be awesome :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
and how did he keep his feet there....RG3 runs for the TD
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Baylor having trouble with protection.....will be interesting to see how RG3 responds
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Looking forward to watching this later. Have it recording at home whilst stuck here at work !
It's close to Midnight, somethings lurking in the backfield. Under the Bright Lights he cuts so fast it almost stops your heart. You start to scream, but he's in the End Zone before you make it. You're Paralysed.
Cause it's CJ Spiller - all Frickin Night, and no-ones gonna save you from the Beast that just struck ya. You know it's CJ Spiller ! You're fighting for your life against the Spiller Thriller tonight !
I thoroughly enjoyed the win over Tebow and Co.
but knowing that it killed any chance we had at landing RGIII is becoming increasingly hard for me to swallow. I love this kid. Watching him play on another team is gonna be disappointing. God, I hope its not Miami.
STAN UP MY BUFFALO NATION OUR DESTINY AWAITS AND WE WILL GO TO THE END OF THE LAND AND FIGHT FOR ALL THATS BEEN DENIED TO US - abayarde, who else?
Would love to have RGIII on the team, but I think our chances were officially killed when Barkley decided to return to USC. Too many QB needy teams in front of us.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 30, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
Youre right
I felt the same way went Barkley made his decision. Barkley skipping the draft closed the door, the win over the Broncos locked it from the outside.
STAN UP MY BUFFALO NATION OUR DESTINY AWAITS AND WE WILL GO TO THE END OF THE LAND AND FIGHT FOR ALL THATS BEEN DENIED TO US - abayarde, who else?
i will tell you what i am not sold on Fitz ,leave it to Buffalo to give a career back up a huge contract this guy doesnt even stay in the pocket while the pressure is is bearing down ,he ducks and chucks ,so we really arent getting rid of him,look at the andy dalton experiment turned out pretty well for them
career back up a huge contract this guy doesnt even stay in the pocket while the pressure is is bearing down ,he ducks and chucks
$9M a year for a starting quarterback is not a huge contract. Even if we draft a new signal caller, it will be worthwhile to have a veteran presence around for the transition.
As far as calling out Fitz for not having courage in the pocket, you’ll have to provide some examples, links, etc. because I have seen him absorb plenty of hits straight to the chops to deliver the goods.
by JapanJohn on Dec 30, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I say if we can get them for reasonable money…sign both, they play well enough to be stopgaps or top flight reserves. I think that if Johnson reaches 1000 yards again, which he should, he’s going to break the bank…I’m calling it now! All the Bill’s fans keep saying that he cares about the Bills and is a team player, but you better believe that behind closed doors he’s saying, well it’s good they didn’t sign me because i’m going to get paid! He is going to want top reciever money and if he fails to get it, he’s going to walk….and for once, I’m okay with it either way!
Pony up the dough
Make a run at Jermichael Finley.
I don’t get to see many games, but it’s my opinion this offense would be much more dynamic if they had a threat in the middle of the field.
I do get to see the Packers each week, and Finley is a beast of superhuman proportions. Sign Chandler to a reasonable contract and that is a mean twosome.
This is contingent on keeping Johnson, of course. I agree he doesn’t deserve top receiver money, but he is a legit threat, and prior post are correct, he is one of the only players on the roster that could start for most if not all teams in the NFL. Besides Jackson, he’s the only player at a playmaking position that you can say this about. He’s a good player, he’s the one who should have been extended months ago at a more reasonable price (see: Jordy Nelson) but I guess a couple of good games means Fitzpatrick is no longer a career backup.
Stupid, just like when they inked Juaron to that extension after the 4-0 start years ago. The Bills remind me of the 80’s Packers. Buddy Nix reminds me of Paula Deen.
Draft
Aaron Williams is a STUD and will hold down the CB1 spot in the future for a while..i just see it when the dude plays, and the same goes to Dareus who will make pro bowls. Honestly, the future of this defense falls on the shoulders of Moats, Sheppard, and Carrington. If those 3 can start contributing to how we expected (or beyond), the five players mentioned overall could make us no joke on D. A pass rusher such as Courtney Upshaw or Zachary Brown would immediately upgrade our defense and would have serious impact. Think about our defense (IN THE MINDSET) that the players we expect to perform do in fact reach their zenith of impact, and start becoming serious playmakers.
FS: Jairus Byrd (He will see more trips to Hawaii, and has proven himself to be the FS of the future)
SS: Tyvon Branch/ LaRon Landry (This free agent class is strong with defensive backs, and the Bills should invest in a seriously respected safety to instantly upgrade the secondary and create turnovers. I like George Wilson, but he could still be crucial as a backup and get 50 tackles and 2+ picks)
CB: Justin Rogers (I see Rogers as a Sam Shields like player for us, a great future CB2)
CB: Aaron Williams (He will be our number 1 guy, and will make pro bowls…watch)
LOLB: Courtney Upshaw (He will be an immediate 7+ sack performer, and will epitomize the hard nosed/blue chip/southern talent that Chan Gailey loves, and will make us not thaaaat pissed that we couldnt snag Von Miller)
MLB: Sheppard (If he could be that London Fletcher type player for us and be the tackling machine on our D, he could be wearing blue, red, and white for a while..I could just see it)
MLB: Nick Barnett (The true leader/ veteran of our defense who will have a lot of gas left in his tank for 2+ years to make a huge impact week in week out)
ROLB: Arthur Moats (The most crucial piece to our 2012 defense in my opinion. He has great potential to be a strongly respected pass rusher and get sack numbers that could help us win games. His rookie year I saw sparks of him being the future premier pass rusher of the Bills, but this year I am not as sure because I expected AT LEAST 6 sacks under his belt…but hes still young and raw. Next year or never in my opinion for Moats.)
DE: Jarret Johnson/Vinny Curry/ Melvin Ingram (Jarret Johnson would be incredible, as he is definitely in my opinion one of the toughest players in the AFC. I am unsure if the Ravens plan on re-resigning him, but he would be an incredible sign by the Bills front office. I would be insanely happy with Vinny Curry from Marshall as well, as he could potentially slip into the 2nd round and become a dominant defensive end to compliment the young and vicious linebackers, as well as Meatball and Dareus. Melvin Ingram could as be a crucial 2nd round pick that could be a potentially dominant force on our D.
DT: Kyle Williams (He will recover from his injury, and he will hold down his nose tackle position like no other. He as well has a lot of gas left in his tank.)
DE: Marcell Dareus (He is fantastic. Although his numbers have looked better since being the NT, he could still be a STUD at end, and compliment Meatball and the young one real nicely. Dareus is my favorite player on defense right now, because he is the first Bills pick that I feel confident will be a star after his rookie campaign.)
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