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Watching college bowls and trying to write a master's thesis is fairly incompatible. I'm watching Texas A&M right now, so I decided to write the Tannehill fanpost you guys asked for. I'm using Dan Kadar's standard format from Mocking the Draft. It's the same one that I used for Tim Tebow two years ago.

Ryan Tannehill, Quarterback, Texas A&M University, 6-4/220

Accuracy: Former high school duel-threat quarterback that has a natural ability to hit receivers inside the strike zone. Puts the nose of the where it needs to be most throws, and can complete passes when receivers are covered. Flawed footwork due to only playing quarterback in college for 20 games in four years, and Tannehill's accuracy could improve with additional mechanical tuning. Has shown the ability to make all the required NFL throws at the college level. When Tannehill does everything right mechanically, the ball comes out well and on target. Can change his throwing arm angle to fit the able around defenders.

Arm Strength: Very strong arm. Can put the ball where he wants it to go. Arm strength is natural and not the result of throwing technique. Spirals are tight, and he can put a lot of velocity on the football. Can throw the out route from the opposite hash mark on a rope. Fits the ball into tight coverage windows. Good deep thrower, though he needs some work on ball placement. Has a tendency to throw the ball too hard at times. Can still improve since he is still built like a wide receiver, and could add some strength.

Athleticism/mobility: Above average mobility. Runs like a bigger possession receiver, which he used to be. Not overly elusive, and not a candidate to run the read option, but can scramble to buy time or pick up yards. Used to being hit from receiver days and takes hits well. Not an easy target to bring down, and will sometimes throw off the first tackler. Not going to win a ton of footraces, but is far from a statue and will keep plays alive.

Decision-making/Field Vision: This is an area Tannehill has made the great strides, and can continue to improve. Plays in Mike Sherman's horizontal timing offense and is asked to make a lot of quick timing throws. Runs Sherman's entire playbook. At times, Texas A&M offense has a very pro feel to it, and Tannehill is often asked to make pro style progression reads. Tannehill runs the offense well for only playing 20 games. Makes quick decisions and puts the ball where it needs to go, on-time. Most of his predicated reads are bubble screens, and is required to see the entire field most throws, which he does well. Reads defenses pre-snap and during his drop. Texas A&M doesn't call audibles from the sidelines, and all audibles are Tannehill's responsibility, which he has improved at. Keeps his eyes downfield when scrambling. Tannehill is a smart player who understands the game from the thrower and receiver position, has executed a pro style offense, and has shown the ability to learn quickly. Will only get better with time, and he's pretty good now.

Mechanics: Tannehill needs some work here, though his throwing motion is pretty clean. Throwing motion is sound, with no hitches and the ball comes out quick. Tannehill needs to work on consistency. His arm motion is the same speed on almost every throw, which is a real good sign, and he has the ability to change his throwing angle. Sometimes changes his throwing angle when it's not required. Needs to work on foot placement, as he gets inconsistent with his footwork.

Pocket Awareness/Poise: For a player that has had limited experience, Tannehill's pocket presence is remarkable. He's natural in the pocket. He feels the rush but doesn't get happy feet. Steps up in the face of pressure and makes throws on target. Only scrambles when he needs to, and won't bail the pocket prematurely. Very strong leadership skills, and seems calm under pressure. Doesn't rattle in the pocket, or when he's playing poorly. Came back to lead the would-be winning drive against Texas after a poor game.

Touch: Needs work. Will gun the ball into receivers when he doesn't need to, and his arm will overpower them at times. Throws a nice fade route and puts air under the ball at times, but could work on it's placement. Will sometimes overthrow deep routes, or not put enough arm under the throw.

Overall: When I watch Tannehill, I watch him from a projecting mindset. He's already running a pro style offense, and is familiar with playing under center in conventional sets. He's got a lot of ability that can't be taught. He's accurate, has a strong arm, pocket presence, leadership, and is calm under pressure. He's also very intelligent and has picked up Mike Sherman's complete pro style offense in 20 games, including reading defenses and calling his own audibles. This also shows a willingness to learn. Those are things that are hard to coach into a player.

He needs work on his mechanics, touch, and still needs to continue his progress on reading defenses. He's come so far in such a short time, though, and I believe these are improvements he will make in time. Tannehill is the type of quarterback that could use a year or two behind a starter, finishing his work mentioned above, then being ready to start.

Tannehill is a leader with all the traits of a starting NFL quarterback. I wouldn't hesistate to select him in the top ten of the 2012 Draft. We've seen plenty of quarterbacks in recent drafts climb into the first round: Philip Rivers, Tim Tebow, and from 2011, Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert. Tannehill is a particularly good fit for Buffalo because he has the traits of an outdoor, cold weather quarterback. Within a few years, I think Tannehill's experience will catch up with his natural abilities, and he'll develop into a franchise quarterback.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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First Half vs. Northwestern

17 completions, 24 attempts, 70%, one touchdown. That’s with three drops and Fuller failing to gets his feet inbounds on a well placed would-be touchdown throw. Misplaced three throws: first quarter out route, second quarter screen (caught) and the fade route to Fuller for the touchdown (caught).

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Matt Miller Twitter about his bowl game

http://twitter.com/#!/nfldraftscout/status/153205280866435072

Sounds like he COULD potentially slip? I don’t know much about him but if he is franchise material, I’m hoping he’s a Bill next year!!

by BuffaloFanFromCT on Dec 31, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Which Ryan Tannehill was he watching?

10 for 16 in the second half. He had a couple bad throws: interception, out that should have been an interception, short hop throw on 3rd down. But on the drive that A&M needed to have, he went 5-6, including the 21 yard out to Nwachukwu on third and 13. That was a god throw.

Not sure what standards Millen holds college QB’s to. I watched every throw and he looked good.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Millen, as in former Detroit GM? If that is one and the same, i would totally ignore it. His drafts were laughable at best.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 31, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

no it is matt miller

Lead NFL Draft writer at Bleacher Report—Founder of New Era Scouting. thats what it says on his twitter.

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by tomcs on Dec 31, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, i was going off what DeJaeger had commented about standards Millen holds. I guess that was a typo.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 31, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Typo

I meant Miller, and I knew who he was as well. I visit New Era Scouting from time to time.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...................

Interesting. Great food for thought.
Thanks DJ!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 31, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

I've been sold on Tannehill for a while

Couldn’t agree with DJ more. He would definitely be worth the Bills’ first-round pick. Fitz has some great attributes, but also some major weaknesses. Drafting Tannehill and having him apprentice for a year behind Fitz would be perfect. The fact that he has such great character and leadership skills in addition to some off-the-chart athletic ability is what seals the deal for me.

by Macktruck on Jan 1, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Would definitely be a good pick

He could sit behind fitz for a year or two. Depending on where the Bills draft there might not be the elite talent they want at CB, WR, or OLB. So definitely a possibility. I would definitely like to see him in a Bills uniform.

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by tomcs on Dec 31, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Todays bowl game

was the first time I got to see Tannehill play. I was definitely impressed with him. I did notice the points you made about him overpowering his receivers with some of his throws, but overall he looked the part of an NFL-caliber quarterback. From what I saw, your assessment of him seems very accurate. I look forward to getting excited about him and then being let down when he doesnt end up a Bill.

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by kfisk214 on Dec 31, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

nice write up

I’m still very luke warm about a first round pick on this guy. 27-40 for 329 yards, 1TD, 1 INT. Not really over whelming numbers against a suspect pass defense. I’ve seen the guy play 3 times and it was all against bad defenses, so 2nd round, yea, 1st round, hmmm.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 31, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

Those are really good numbers. Had Jake Locker or Tim Tebow ever done that, we’d go nuts with how good of a game they had.

Might be the Barkley/Luck factor. Those guys do this so regularly. Remember though, Tannehill did this running a pro offense, not a more gimmicky offense where numbers are easy to get.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, those are good points about the Barkley, Luke, you could throw in RG3 and Jones. I was really hoping they would match up Nebraska in that game instead of NW. Nebraska has a very good secondary, was the reason why i didn’t want Locker drafted by the bills. The 3 times he faced that defense, he had very poor numbers.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 31, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, if Tim Tebow had had a 1TD, 1 INT day, even with 300 yards and 70% completions, I wouldn’t have been too excited. For college football, especially when you are evaluating a quarterback with NFL potential, you would like to see a more dominant game.
Not to say that a huge bowl game is necessary to be a good player. Robert Griffin had a similar bowl game this year, throwing for 1TD and 1 INT despite being part of the highest scoring Alamo bowl ever. But Griffin came in with a resume of stellar production. He was an unknown at the start of the year, but he did go almost 5 games with fewer incompletions than touchdowns.
Overall, I’m encouraged by the finish to the year for Tannehill, and based on your scouting report and his college stats I am much more excited about his NFL potential than I was about Blaine Gabbert . I would not have a problem with the Bills selecting him number 10 overall, and right now I think his draft spot is hovering around where Andy Dalton was picked last year – a good combine and players like Landry Jones returning to school will help that.

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by DanRoc on Dec 31, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Tannehill played six games last year and looked good, so he wasn't an unknown

I’m a projector. Which means I look to see what the kid can do.

Read defenses: check
Audible on his own: check
Throw in a pro style timing offense: check
Throw accurately: check
Hit the out route, further than 10 yards, on a rope: check
Throw deep: check
Display pocket awareness: check

Etc, etc, you get the point.

I’m not concerned for what he didn’t do. I see a lot of what he can do. And most of it is hard to coach up, which means he brings a lot to the table. The stuff he doesn’t do well can be coached.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe DanRoc said RG3 was an unknown prior to this year. As Robert was the one to throw more TDs than incompletions during an incredible run of games.

DanRoc, I completely agree that Tannehill is a better prospect than Gabbert. But what does that mean? If a team will take Blaine top 10, where does Ryan project?

I admit that I haven’t seen much of Tannehill this year. However after watching the entire game today, I came away impressed. He actually reminds me of Philip Rivers.

by DJ O on Dec 31, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivers is a good comparison. Tannehill is more mobile, has better arm strength, and has a clean throwing motion.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And thank you for your consistent analysis on Tannehill all year long. I doubt I would have watched the kid play Saturday if not for you. And I love having the chance to evaluate players on my own, before the hype machine kicks in.

I know I only saw one game, but his play was exactly how you described throughout the year DJ. In my book, if he came out last year he’d be the 2nd best QB in the draft. I’d love to see him as a Bill. Absolutely perfect fit to sit and learn behind Fitz. And his is accuracy, arm strength, inteligence and quick release seem tailor made for Chans offense.

by DJ O on Jan 1, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But

You extolled virtues of Gabbert last yr. and now say Tannehill has better intangables. Do you still like Gabbert or have you backed off? I ask because I value your opinion regarding talent over all others on this blog. Is Tannehill that much better than prospect you wanted last yr? Gabbert.

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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not backing off Gabbert

I stand by everything I said.

I think Tannehill is a better prospect.

Tannehill’s better intangibles don’t negate Gabbert’s

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool

Gosh I hope we pull trigger this yr.

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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I agree with Billsfan

I would definitely take him in the second, but for a top 10 pick I am not so sure. Although thats how I felt with Ponder who went 12th. If we make a trade into the late 1st for him after taking an elite defensive player that would probably be the best value and situation IMO, being a top 10 pick adds a lot of pressure to play and I think, as I think you do to, that he should sit for at least a year if not two. I’d rather not use a top 10 pick on a player who needs to sit for a couple years, even though he could be a franchise QB, potentially.

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by tomcs on Dec 31, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, but i think Ponder and Locker where forced to go there. If they make it to the 2nd round, Buffalo probably grabs Ponder. So i think they were forced into the decision. but that is just something i assume though.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 31, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree with the logic
I’d rather not use a top 10 pick on a player who needs to sit for a couple years, even though he could be a franchise QB, potentially.

If a potential franchise QB is available, and you don’t have one, you don’t pass. See Miami Dolphins and Matt Ryan.

If Buffalo believes that Tannehill is a franchise QB, and that Fitzpatrick maybe isn’t that guy, you take Tannehill, even if it’s at 10th overall and reaching. Minnesota reached tremendously to take Ponder, but I guarantee they’re glad they did. He’s got the look of a long term starter for them and potentially a franchise QB.

Nobody says “the Ravens gave up a lot to move up and take Flacco, and he was a reach at that point.” Because after a year or two, nobody cares about where a guy was drafted. If Ponder goes to the Pro Bowl in a couple years, no one will ever remember that he was considered a reach.

The team should drive the draft, not the other way around.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I guess their perception of where others value Tannehill may also matter. It seems like his expected draft position has a pretty large variance. If you think he slips you can trade up to get him or something. I know I know thats risky if you like him. But its how you get him at value.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 31, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I would rather try to trade up to get him.

Like what Denver did to get Tebow. With a top 10 pick I feel we can get a shutdown corner or a great WR, we already have a QB for the next couple years, so to not waste, but not fill a position of need with elite (Top 10) talent I feel is almost a waste.

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by tomcs on Dec 31, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

If Buffalo reaches by 20 picks to take a franchise QB, that’s a waste? Rivers was a huge reach at 4th overall. Most had him rated solidly behind Roethlisberger. Does anyone still think Rivers is a reach?

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not convinced Tannehill is going to be a Franchise QB

and I think Fitz can lead this team to the playoffs and the Superbowl if he has a great defense.

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by tomcs on Dec 31, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Then that's where we differ

I think Tannehill will be a franchise QB, and I don’t think Fitzpatrick is capable of leading the Bills to the Super Bowl.

With that in mind, there’s no way Buffalo should pass on Tannehill.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s how I see it as well. When you are dealing with someone you believe can become a franchise QB the whole idea of value should go out the window. You do what you have to do to get him since, if you are right, he will be far more valuable than any other player you could draft.

by Macktruck on Jan 1, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

BTW, good call earlier in the year. I undervalued Tannehill when you didn’t, and after I watched him more, you were right.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

that we can run an offense based on short passes and running the ball with Fitz. Where we run the ball 30 times a game with Spiller and Freddy, and throw the ball 30 times maximum. Plenty of 5-10 yard passes with a couple shots deep a game. Fitz can do this and as long as he doesnt throw many INTs the offense can be effective because Fred and Spiller are great backs. I think we need to get Fitz another WR who is big and can catch balls in traffic. We don’t need a deep threat because Fitz is not an accurate deep thrower. Hopefully next year Gailey will either realize that he needs to run the ball more or hire an OC that will.

If we can build continue building our defense this off season, (2 starting OLBs and a starting CB, with ILB and DL depth), I think we can make the playoffs. Drafting Tannehill in the 1st I believe would hurt the development of the defense, if Fitz doesn’t work out next year then we can draft a QB in the 1st then.

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by tomcs on Jan 1, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

We're going to have to agree to disagree

There’s no situation where drafting a potential franchise QB

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not sure if you finished your sentence but

I understand what you are saying and don’t disagree with you. At times I am yelling for the Bills to cut Fitz, obviously overreacting but sometimes he is so inaccurate it is unbelievable. But then sometimes he shows me that if he had a better defense he could be better. I wanted them to draft a qb in the 1st round 2 weeks ago, I keep going back and forth. I just think we need elite talent at OLB, CB or WR more than QB at this point, but I would not be upset by the bills taking Tannehill or another potential franchise QB.

Btw This article was great, great analysis, especially for those like me who don’t see some of these great players in action.

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by tomcs on Jan 1, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that’s exactly why Im torn as well. I like the idea of Tannehill, sitting behind Fitz. But I also think Marvin Ingram would be a perfect fit for the Bills, and help the pass-rush next yr.

by dgrid on Jan 1, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I get what you’re saying. Here’s the essence of my philosophy: a franchise QB is more important than elite talent anywhere else on field. Brady, Brees, and Rodgers don’t have elite defenses, but they win.

There aren’t many QB’s in the playoffs that made in on the back of their defense. Tebow, but with 8 win. Alex Smith, but in the worst division in the NFL. Houston made the playoffs with Schaub getting most of the wins. Andy Dalton is a future elite.

That means 8 of 12 teams made it with elite QB play. Five of those teams did it without dominant defenses: Packers, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, and Lions.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea its just how the NFL is now.

But in that way of thinking would you rather have them trade up for RG3 or even Luck? The fear I have which I think what we have to agree to disagree with, although you have a much more educated opinion than idea is whether or not Tannehill will be elite. I think I would rather trade up for RG3 if I didn’t think Fitz could ever be close to elite (which I think OBD may think he can).

But what is your opinion on that, would you rather trade up for RG3 or do you think Tannehill may eventually be the better QB?

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by tomcs on Jan 1, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think RGIII’s ceiling is higher, but I’m not sure if he’s going to be that much better. Kind of like asking if you’d trade up for Vick or stay put and take Rivers.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

ok yea.

Personally I would trade up for vick. but if you see Tannehill as Rivers then you have to take him.

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by tomcs on Jan 1, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I am watching the Giants/ Cowboys game

and watching Eli Manning play makes me think that we do need to take a QB. Fitzpatrick is a great back up, but he doesn’t have close to the accuracy of an elite QB, and elite QB’s win Super Bowls.

and the flip-flop continues…

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by tomcs on Jan 1, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Of course if you know he is a franchise QB take him, I think the point is that plenty of first round QBs aren’t. If we come up with a list we can come up with a list of reaches that turned out quite badly. What if people like his upside but grade him something less than you? I think thats the more debatable scenario. No one is saying skip on the next young star.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That's gaming the draft

And I don’t agree with that philosophy at all. New England has gamed drafts since 2006 and come out with a whole lot of 2nd and 3rd round picks that are either not contributing, or off the team. They built the team by staying put in the first round and taking good players.

I don’t agree with the logic of getting a player of better value with Buffalo’s pick over a QB. If you get a franchise QB, does draft value matter?

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, its not a philosophy, just recognizing that if you think the rest of the league thinks the guy is third rounder, don’t take him in the top ten? Is that really so terrible?

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by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Except that they only folks grading Tannehill as a third rounder are draft site, not actual scouts and GM’s.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t speaking about Tannehill specifically, but its good to know.

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by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree if you grade a guy a ten, take him. But what people remember is really a function of whether or not that player has justified the trade. Losman set us back a high second and a pick that could easily have been aaron rodgers. Though I’m pretty sure the organization would have ruined aaron…

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by greysquirrel on Dec 31, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It could be, because you’re taking the chance that a team like Denver doesn’t do what you weren’t willing to do and reach for the guy.

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by stetzwebs on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

(If it wasn’t clear, I was referring to Tebow).

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

On average the reacher ends up with a worse team unless he somehow gets lucky. With Tebow, maybe Denver spared us (or someone else) from drafting Tebow by giving up half a draft to get there.

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by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

True

Except with QB’s. Check out my draft rules on essential BR. I don’t think a team can reach for a potential franchise QB.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if you think you should gamble on QBs more often, there is still a point where you need to be more specific than “potential” and evaluate likelihood.The word potential is too loose.

Some guy might have a 10% possibility of being a franchise QB, another guy might be 50%. If you think Tannehill is 50% just take him in the top ten, because thats about as good as it gets. But if you think its 10%, it may not be worth it. No one is questioning taking a stud QB, the tricky part is scouting him and evaluating how likely he is to be an above average starter in this league. This isn’t Tannehill specifically, but guys can reach for QBs that they claim are “potential” franchise guys, but are unlikely to actually be franchise guys.

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by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a huge difference between projecting different players. What you’re saying applies perfectly if I were to say “draft NC State’s Matt Glennon. He’s big, good arm, accurate, etc.” Glennon played one year, hasn’t looked special, and has more talent than production right now. And his talent level isn’t that high. He’s a project that I’d feel comfortable with the Bills drafting round 5-7.

Tannehill’s got elite tools and led the 14th best offense in the country this year. They run a west coast scheme. Tannehill’s produced.

There’s huge difference between two.

If Tannehill was the 25th player on the board, and Buffalo picks 10, that 15 pick jump is only worth it for a franchise QB. Tannehill is an example.

I wouldn’t reach for Glennon at all. I don’t think he’s got franchise talent. Not to say that he won’t be he hasn’t shown me anything to think he’s got that type of upside.

Tannehill has shown me franchise upside.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Him or Foles sign me

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In the second

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by mob16151 on Dec 31, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and yet, i remember reading a comment of urs a few days back proclaiming how awesome it would be if the bills took landry jones….
either way thats not a fair comparison. as far as arm and athleticism the 2 are fairly close i think, although tannehills more accurate in my opinion. in terms of feel for game and ability to analyze information correctly from the pocket, its not even a competition. tannehills much much better in those aspects

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 31, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

clearly you figured out i like landry jones more than ryan tannehill any day…

tannehill is like gabbert because he has a little more than 1 year of development whereas jones has 3 full years of experience…even then jones is still a junior and tannehill is a senior… tannehill is a receiver convert where as jones is not… i wouldnt agree at all that tannehill has the same arm as jones…. and i dont agree at all tannehiill is more accurate…. jones has good accuracy in all range…

and what do you base the feel for the game and ability to analyze information correctly from the pocket on? so he lost his best receiver and his performance dropped… all of a sudden his 3 years of production and proven talent is worthless… tannehill is the god now…

by statcruncher on Jan 1, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

way to avoid hyperbole. ‘tannehill is the god now’… cmon dude. if u read my sig, u can clearly see i dont think that highly of him- as i do not believe nix would pull the trigger on him come april.
my basis for saying tannehills get better pocket presence and makes reads better and such comes from, you know, watching him play. i see him go thru his progressions and stay cool in the pocket in a way that i literally never saw blaine gabbert do in college.
as far as landry jones, he needs to stay in school another year. its as simple as that. his tape from this season was pretty awful at times. his game going to hell like that this season is a major issue for me. if ryan fitzpatricks taught us bills fans anything, it should be that consistent play at the quarterback position is extremely important

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Jan 1, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He's nothing like Gabbert

Tannehill’s more accurate down the field, has was better pocket presence, has a stronger arm, and has run a pro style offense, making pro reads and calling audibles.

Beyond that, yes, they’re both the same.

And I’d take Tannehill over Gabbert, in a nanosecond.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That may be the strongest statement I’ve heard you say considering you were ready to take gabbert @ # 3 last year. It really sounds like you’re convinced he’ll be a franchise QB.

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by arbon78 on Dec 31, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m more convinced about Tannehill than I was about Gabbert. All the question marks about Gabbert – pocket presence, down field accuracy, running a pro style offense – aren’t issues for Tannehill.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

To add in your defense: liking one QB and liking another doesn’t mean you like them equally for the same reasons or like them a similar amount (if you could quantify said amount).

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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

Thank-you. You like this kid Tannehill alot than.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Sounds contradictory actually.

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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched Tannehill for the first time today and was very impressed

Unfortunately, once the draft process plays out I think he will be the 3rd QB off the board to the Redskins or Fins. If the Bills want him, they will have to go get him.

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by Joe P. on Dec 31, 2011 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Not to say ....

I wouldn’t do that to you.

Wish for an Indy win and Rams lost. The teams ahead of Buffalo can then fight for Luck, and Tannehill falls neatly to the Bills.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Most boards have him going in rounds 2-4. I guess we’ll see what the Bills really feel are their needs at QB. I just can’t see passing on a pass rusher.

by BestBluto on Dec 31, 2011 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

December boards don't matter

Philip Rivers, Tim Tebow, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert all entered Bowl season as 2nd round picks, at best.

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by Der Jaeger on Dec 31, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you keep saying that...

about Rivers, but I’m afraid I certainly don’t remember it that way. He was rated almost neck and neck with Eli up till just before the draft, and some, myself included, certainly thinking he was better than Manning….

Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!

by Cinga on Jan 1, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure you're remembering this correctly

It wasn’t until after the Tangerine Bowl that folks started paying attention to Rivers. And even after that, most analysts had him as a high second round pick. Rivers had a great Senior Bowl, which propelled him into the first round.

Even then, Rivers’ arm motion and perceived lack of arm strength were caused for concern.

In this stage of both Tannehill’s and Rivers’ careers, they were considered 2nd round picks.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I can confirm your understanding of River's draft stock

I remember it the same…he was projected in the second round in December mocks, had a great bowl game, showed well in the pre-draft process, and really skyrocketed up the mock draft boards.

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by StroudFanClub on Jan 1, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Danke!

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

at this time last year von miller was considered a borderline first rounder. cam newton was barely in consideration for #1 overall behind guys like nick fairley and daquan bowers.
how draft pundits have players slotted right now is quite meaningless. no one will know how actual NFL teams have these guys graded until draft day

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Jan 1, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If he is there in second.

Top 10 is too high for him I think.

by NCblofan on Dec 31, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

I don't see how you think DJ

That this guy is more accurate than RG3 on the intermediate deep balls. I watched several throws in the game that he made that were completed that would have been picks in the NFL. The first that comes to mind is the second touchdown by Texas A&M. Fuller is wide open, Tannehill underthrows where he has to slow up in the endzone to catch it and the CB almost makes a play, in the NFL the CB has enough time to close and pick it, very Clausen/Gabberesque. Just because a person completes a pass in college doesn’t mean the pass was accurate, sometimes it just means he has a receiver that can really go get em, like Jeff Fuller. There was a wide open throw down the middle I remember to Fuller, no one within 5 yards, and he has to make a leaping circus catch, because Tannehill is off the mark, with zero pressure in his face. Another bad decision was the fake bubble screen right than comeback left bubblescreen. The nickle guy was beating the slot blocker but Tannehill still threw it for a 3 yard loss, that probably would be a pick in the NFL. People look at stats too often to determine accuracy. I just don’t see NFL quality accuracy with Tannehill, not to mention how many games he’s given away this year in the 2nd half. I don;t think this guy is a franchise QB..

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2012 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

You are expecting him to be a finished product right now.....even Luck isn't that good

Nobody has said Tannehill is playing perfectly, but he clearly has NFL accuracy. For every bad pass you have given examples of there were 10 good passes. What I saw in him was a QB that has the physical and mental abilities to be an NFL franchise QB. And as far as stats go, how many drops did Tannehill’s WRs have in the first half alone? I lost count. I have no idea how many games Tannehill cost his team this season, but given how new he is to the position it wouldn’t surprise me. His lack of experience playing the position is my biggest fear. And make not mistake, RG3 has warts on his game too. Don’t let your man love of RG3 cloud your judgement of Tannehill. Besides, the Bills won’t be drafting either of them so this is all academic.

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by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

the Bills won’t be drafting either of them so this is all academic.

It’s so funny we all know that, yet so sad.

how many drops did Tannehill’s WRs have in the first half alone?

They weren’t all drops, I consider if you have to leave your feet or reach behind you to catch a pass, even if it hits you in the hands, it’s on the QB’s accuracy, not the WR as the WR did everything possible just to get his hands on the ball. Stevie dropped the pass in Pittsburgh for the win, that is a drop, when it hits you in the hands in stride.

As for RG3, I think he is much more accurate than Tannehill on intermediate/deep routes. I have seen so much video of him hitting the deep intermediate routes in stride, its amazing. RG3 has a really really nice deep ball. I can’t remember too many examples where receivers had to slow up to catch it or leap high or reach behind them. His big wart is not playing in a pro offense, but since Chan has forgotten what a pro style offense looks like, he would be the best choice for us as long as we have college chan running the O.

And just for the record, I still think Locker was the best QB for the Bills if we ever want to win.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I look at accuracy more like your last statement...
when it hits you in the hands in stride.

even if that means the WR has to extend their hands. The key for me in those situations is that the QB is throwing the WR open without leading them into getting crushed by a big hit when they are defenseless (aren’t those hits illegal now anyway?)

And I love RG3 has well. Wouldn’t it be great if they both threw at the combine? As far as how they both fit into Chan’s offense, I see it as more of a west coast spread than a deep ball offense. I think either QB could run that system, but if given the choice between the two, Chan would want RG3 because of this running ability.

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by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Jake Locker isnt even the best Huskie QB for our team. Did you watch Wash vs Baylor? Unless the Huskies somehow traded teams with another college this offseason, their first year starting sophomore QB looked far and away better and made his team look far and away better, than anything I ever saw from Locker.

by DJ O on Jan 1, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Side Note

I love your signature

“Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances.” – Sun Tzu

Someone needs to show that to Chan.

During the 7 game losing street when he didn’t have any anwers he said something like “We’re doing the same things that worked before”

But they weren’t working now.

He needs to learn that lesson from Sun Tzu so he can understand why.

This is why I have lost all faith in Gailey.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2012 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL.....Chan's playcalling t is exactly what made me change it to that Sun Tzu quote

and yes, I have lost some faith in Gailey……mostly as our OC. I really hope Turner gets fired.

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by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic and very short book to read.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

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2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 1, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Your last sentence said it all.

If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!

by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree with this

I’ve watched every throw Tannehill’s made in the past five games, including the bowl.

In the first half, Tannehill missed on three throws. Two were caught. Might they have been picked in the NFL? Maybe, but I see NFL QB’s that put balls up for grabs all the time like Tannehill did for Fuller.

A better throw is the out to Fuller, where Fuller couldn’t get his feet down in the end zone. That throw was something we see Aaron Rodgers make. Great placement, it was Fuller’s fault.

I’m watching where Fuller puts the ball on the receiver, not that it’s just caught. I saw 19 throws where Tannehill hit the receiver in stride or right where the receiver had his hands. And that’s not all just bubble screens. He hit the post route perfectly three times, a difficult thrown. All but two out routes were perfectly placed.

Did he miss throws? Yes. As many as you’re suggesting? No.

RGIII plays in an Erhardt-Perkins route scheme based offense at Baylor. Tannehill plays in a West Coast offense at Texas A&M. Does that mean RGIII is going to be worse? No. It does mean that RGIII is throwing to receivers after they cut. Tannehill throws to a spot before they cut. It takes more accuracy to throw well to an anticipated spot.

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tannehill throws to a spot before they cut. It takes more accuracy to throw well to an anticipated spot.

So does fitz, and when they jam your recievers at the LOS it doesn’t work so well does it?

You need to be able to throw to a spot before they cut, and to a spot after they cut to be a star QB in the NFL. Otherwise you will be eaten alive by the press if you can’t throw to the proper spot after they cut.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 2, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t really have access to college ball, but from comments on this board, it sounds like Tanneyhill will be the fourth QB drafted (Luck, Griffin, Barkley…). It seems strange for the Bills to spend a top ten pick on the 4th best player at his position.

by JapanJohn on Jan 1, 2012 2:07 AM EST reply actions  

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by mob16151 on Jan 1, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a smart choice.

I saw him as the next Jimmy Clausen/Blaine Gabbert if he entered the draft this year.

Maybe another year of seasoning in college might change my mind.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I've wanted to draft a QB just to have a franchise QB

But I watched Tannehill yesterday and was beyond impressed

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by atlantalove on Jan 1, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think he is like Gabbert talent wise

But he could take a huge leap in draft time just because QBs are so important. I doubt this team will draft him though because they are content with a back-up QB as the franchise QB.

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by atlantalove on Jan 1, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He is in my top three qbs this year.
Luck, Griffin, tannehill. He is a much better prospect than landry jones is and has better pocket presence than landry and griffin to be honest. He is a good prospect for buffalo because he can sit and learn for a bit. He seems to be a quick learner. I could get behind a pick of him. Great read.

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by matthew62 on Jan 1, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Moving up the draft board?

After another 4-pick game by Fitzpatrick, I think drafting him with our first round pick makes great sense. Fitz is not the man to lead the Bills to Super Bowl Victory. Get your LBs after that.

by dukedoc76 on Jan 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks DJ!

And a rec on the post, and some nice discussion about Tannehill here folks! I’m not going to pretend to know about Tannehill as a prospect, but he’s definitely on my radar now as someone to watch. My guess is he does start to climb up some boards. He’ll be in the Senior Bowl as well so hopefully I’ll get a look at him then.

by buffaloparks on Jan 1, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Another Big thank you

As far as the original post; well done. What I love is the give and take with others, and your overall philosophy. An excellent job of reasoning. I assure you of this, if Mayock and Nawrocki peg him as the 25th or better prospect I am all about taking him at 10 due to all the reasons stated above.

by GPSjr on Jan 1, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

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by Der Jaeger on Jan 1, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah where's dancam

to completely disagree and give us some madden stats as to why we should take the LB who is an 80 overall instead of the QB who is a 75 overall but has more potential.

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by panekattack on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

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