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Titans 23, Bills 17: Three Good And Three Bad

The Buffalo Bills missed a prime opportunity to stay in the playoff race. Of their remaining opponents, the Tennessee Titans seemed the easiest to beat. San Diego faces the Bills after they travel to the West Coast - never easy conditions to win under. Miami is hitting their stride, Denver looks unbeatable, and New England hosts Buffalo. The Bills needed to win all five games to have a realistic chance at making the playoffs. While still mathematically alive, Buffalo's chances are dim.

The Bad
Run Defense Consistency. Was Buffalo's run defense really that bad? Tennessee finished with 31 rushing attempts for 187 yards. I came away from the game surprised that the statistics were that bad. After digging into the stats, Buffalo's run defense was not as bad as it seemed. Tennessee called 30 planned runs, gaining 186 yards. I used three yards per carry as the metric, with three yards or below per run in the same category. With that metric, on 16 of their runs, Tennessee gained 183 yards. On the other 14 attempts, Tennessee gained a total of three yards. For half of Tennessee's runs, Buffalo's run defense was dominant. On the other half, Buffalo was a doormat. The talent and ability is present to stop the run. Buffalo needs to find consistency now.

Star-divide

Turnover Battle. This is fairly self-explanatory. Tennessee recovered two Buffalo fumbles, and didn't turn the ball over themselves. The effects of the two fumbles were huge. The first fumble came from Ryan Fitzpatrick. Facing a 4th-and-3 from the Tennessee 34-yard line, Fitzpatrick lost the ball scrambling and Tennessee got the ball at their own 43-yard line. The score at the time was 10-7 in favor of Tennessee. Fitzpatrick was unlikely to make the first down running, and while I don't disagree with Chan Gailey's call to go for it, the fumble started a 14-point swing. The Titans drove down and scored to extend their lead to 17-7. After halftime, Buffalo received the ball down 17-10. With a chance to tie the score, Scott Chandler fumbled on the first play of the drive. Tennessee took the ball and extended their lead to 20-10. Tennessee scored ten points off the turnovers after two situations where Buffalo could have tied the game or taken the lead.

Field Position Battle. Buffalo had 11 possessions. All but two started outside the Buffalo 20-yard line. One drive started at the 30-yard line, but ended with Fitzpatrick's fumble. The other drive start outside the 20 was Buffalo's first in the second half, which started at the 41, but ended after one play with Chandler's fumble. Discounting Tennessee's last drive, where Matt Hasselbeck kneeled down for the win, the Titans had 10 drives. Six of the 10 drives started outside their own 20-yard line. Two drives started across the Tennessee 40-yard line, and one drive started in Buffalo territory. A lack of Tennessee turnovers affected field position, but Buffalo's offense had to work with long fields all afternoon.

The Good
C.J. Spiller. After the first half, I sensed that the main Sunday meal for many Buffalo fans would be crow. While Spiller's second half wasn't as dynamic, and while he's still limited in the power run game, he showed signs of becoming a feature, impact running back. In the open field, Spiller is electric. He was the fastest player on the field while Buffalo was on offense. His first touchdown run was past numerous Titans, and his second run (negated by penalty) was also past Titans defenders. Spiller looked more patient and waited for blocks. Expect more as he becomes comfortable.

Overall Offensive Gameplan. Gailey's taken criticism over the past few days regarding his game plan and some decisions. I think those criticisms are highly unwarranted. Think about what Gailey has done well over the past two weeks. Sure, he could've run Spiller more in the second half. Anyone take notice of the complete transition of the Buffalo offense away from a spread, fast-break offense to more of a traditional, run offense? Gailey is an Erhardt-Perkins ball control traditionalist, but had used the spread formation and some horizontal timing offense concepts with Fred Jackson and Fitzpatrick. After getting thumped for three straight games and Jackson getting hurt, Buffalo's offense rebounded during the past two weeks. Buffalo has run far more twin tight end sets, getting Lee Smith on the field as the in-line blocker and moving Chandler to the move tight end, something he's more suited to. Corey McIntyre has seen the field more. This resulted in a solid game from Fitzpatrick, Spiller's emergence, and if not for the turnovers, a decent offense. The offense without Jackson should have tanked. It hasn't, and credit needs to go to Gailey.

Brad Smith. Maybe Gailey should have gone to Smith sooner in the season. He's not a bona fide deep threat, but he's more of a playmaker than Donald Jones, catching seven balls for 72 yards on Sunday. Smith is a better open-field runner, and he converted third downs by running after short catches on a couple receptions. With Steve Johnson attracting the defense's best cornerback and David Nelson seeing better coverage, Smith's emergence over the past two weeks was needed.

Outlook
Buffalo is currently 5-7 and hanging by a thread to their playoff hopes. With four teams ahead of them for the final wild card spot, a lot has to happen for Buffalo to make the playoffs. Much of the conditions need to be set by other teams, and are out of Buffalo's control. It's highly unlikely that the Bills run the table with Denver, New England, surging Miami, and a road game in San Diego.

Buffalo's playing for pride and for the future at this point. Bills fans talking about playoff chances into late November and early December was a nice change. The reality is that Buffalo isn't ready yet. They still start and rely on too many rookies and young players. Buffalo's slim chances are on the line when the young Bills head to San Diego on Sunday.

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You speak truth. Its healthy.

As to field position, I also felt special teams coverage contributed a bit to this problem.

I guess the actual fumble by Fitz was less of a problem than just not getting the first down. I like the call of going for it, but conditional on not getting the first down that was gonna be a turnover so I didn’t mind Fitz trying to scramble for it. Nothing spells loser like a QB sliding short of the marker on fourth down.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 7, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Haha, if he was going to turn it over anyway, he might as well have heaved the ball down field to try for a long completion.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 7, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats true :)

But he didnt KNOW he was gonna fumble he just knew he was gonna get smacked. And boy did he…

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Dec 7, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, felt bad for him. He really got HAMMERED!
Good thing he didn’t get hurt.

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 7, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense without Jackson should have tanked. It hasn’t, and credit needs to go to Gailey.

This hasn’t been talked about enough. The change in game plan (play-action? finally?) is evident, and I like it. Maybe he can start thinking about running these more traditional offenses with a fully healthy WR corps and OL, and see what we get next year.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 7, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

why is gailey getting credit for this?

spiller was heading down bustville if not for jackson’s injury…. is that what a coach does?

why didnt he use spiller and jackson together and potentially save an injury…. how come the saints use 3 RBs effectively…

what if fred was never injured? we would have never known about spiller till its too late…

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

and

why did it take the loss of evans, parrish, easley and jones for gailey to use brad smith who he paid big money in the offseason to get…

why did he not use smith more early in the season? if he had distributed the ball to everyone then maybe our offense wouldnt have tanked in the first place

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you honestly think that Brad Smith was #2 material before the Jets game?

did anybody think Brad Smith was #2 material?
Smith had shown absolutely nothing the entire year to indicate he was #2 wide receiver material. You can look back in hidesight and be angry that he wasn’t started to begin with, but Brad Smith playing great at receiver really came out of nowhere.

And to say a Gailey offense doesnt distribute the ball to everybody is a ridiculous statement.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

here we go again

same discussion as maybin… smith absolutely showed nothing… maybin absolutely showed nothing….

i am not doing this again… refer to the 400+ comments about maybin

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing the argument was that

Maybin never got a chance to get playing time?
And I would agree with that.
Brad Smith has been in the league for many years, there were plenty of other players on the Bills that looked more promising at WR. Smith had not shown in the past he could be a #2 WR.
You are saying that Gailey should have played Smith only in hindsight. Two weeks ago there was absolutely nobody clamoring for Smith to play, don’t insist like it was the obvious thing to do.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

While I still think Maybin isn’t the difference this team needed, the organization did F up with him.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

spiller was heading down bustville if not for jackson’s injury

This makes no sense. I have no clue how Spiller’s play (which determines how much of a bust he is) is at all correlated with Jackson’s injury. The only thing that has changed is that he has gotten more playing time.

why didnt he use spiller and jackson together and potentially save an injury…. how come the saints use 3 RBs effectively…

If you watched any game Fred Jackson played in, it was very clear that whenever he was out there, he was the best player on the field. Why would you not play that player as much as you can?
what if fred was never injured? we would have never known about spiller till its too late…

If Fred’s not injured, we are a better team, and sure Spiller doesnt get to shine, but it not like it would have adversely affected Spiller and the team if Fred wasn’t injured.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes no sense? if fred wasnt injured, gailey would never have used spiller… and just like you said “smith showed absolutely nothing” a year later you will say spiller showed absolutely nothing … if nix were to cut spiller, you would whole heartedly agree with Nix…. all the while thinking why are we still a horrible team….

you dont need me to say, good teams around the league try not to overburden their star runningbacks… they are the easiest to get injured…that’s why you dont put him out there in every play

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

last sentence, by him i mean fred

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think this is accurate
good teams around the league try not to overburden their star runningbacks…

Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Jones-Drew, Michael Turner and Arian Foster would all disagree. Fred Jackson is ranked 12th on attempts per game.

As Xavier points out, CJ didn’t see the field that much this year because he was behind a legitimate MVP canidate in Freddie.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

and

that’s a decreasing number of teams every year

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you say this? You can’t possibly know this…those running backs are not first-year backs, they’ve been in the league for years and have had large carry loads in all their years.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 7, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

if fred wasnt injured, gailey would never have used spiller

You don’t know this. You don’t think he would have used Spiller, and he may not have this year, but that doesn’t mean he was heading for “bustville”.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 7, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

he hadn't been used so far

we barely used Fred as it was. there is evidence to support this assumption.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Dec 8, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who gave Gailey credit?

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Dec 7, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice point on Playcalling

It’s nice to see someone point out the offense has been better the last two weeks rather than rant about Gailey’s playcalls as the whole reason Buffalo lost the game. Had we been ahead in the second half Spiller may have gone for 150 not Johnson.

by Matty Coco on Dec 7, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

why werent we ahead?

dont say lack of talent and injuries… the titans lost kenny britt for the season, we atleast have our no.1 receiver… even they have an unproven set of WRs like us… they have chris johnson and we have spiller who was playing better than johnson in the first half…

enough pity and excuses guys… that’s all we seem to be doing… finding excuses for our coaches

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

you turn his point about being ahead in a football game into this?? holy crap dude – relax yourself

dont say lack of talent and injuries… the titans lost kenny britt for the season, we atleast have our no.1 receiver… even they have an unproven set of WRs like us… they have chris johnson and we have spiller who was playing better than johnson in the first half…

enough pity and excuses guys… that’s all we seem to be doing… finding excuses for our coaches

by J2 on Dec 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

well i didnt do a good job of elaborating

i dont think we should be ahead each and every game…

his point was spiller would have done better if we were ahead after first half… but everyone knows this is not the first time gailey has for mysterious reasons moved away from the running game…. i saw we fell behind as just another excuse

by statcruncher on Dec 7, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

this is not the first time gailey has for mysterious reasons moved away from the running game


True. Mysterious indeed.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Dec 8, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

two key reasons

1. turnovers – we made them, but didn’t create any
2. run defense

Stop the run, and create more turnovers than you give up, and you’ll win most of the time.

by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Dec 7, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

A grounded voice of reason in the otherwise misery ridden world of Bills fandom. How do you manage to stay so even-keeled as the world crashes down upon us.

by PerryTuttle22 on Dec 7, 2011 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Rec’d! More people should try to keep this attitude in mind.

"Teams that don't deserve to win.... usually don’t. Today is no exception." -- Mr Huge Pecs
"Nick Barnett is everywhere. He is behind you right now." -- Munchausen

by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 7, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I probably should have learned by now that I just can’t pull of sarcasm on the internet. Subtle humor has never been my specialty.

In my own warped way I was thanking Der Jaeger for not succumbing to the overly dramatic tendencies of some posters.

by PerryTuttle22 on Dec 7, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Try using the sarcasm font.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Dec 7, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that’s even better stated than what boomsauce wrote above, which I also recommend along with this one.

"Teams that don't deserve to win.... usually don’t. Today is no exception." -- Mr Huge Pecs
"Nick Barnett is everywhere. He is behind you right now." -- Munchausen

by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 7, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

if ever a post needed to light up green…

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said.

As I’m sure a lot of others around here do, I found the extreme over-reactions one way or the other comical, while infuriating at times.

That we are still competitive and have an outside chance at a winning record after losing our best defender and offensive player is a sign that we have a better overall team than last year.

We won’t truly know about the 2010 draft class until probably half way through next season. The GM and coach haven’t even had 2 seasons to build the program, we have no true perspective on their potential success or failure yet. If we continue cycle HC and GM every 3 years, for decisions they didn’t make, we will continue to live Groundhogs day. It takes time to change an orginization and a culture.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Dec 7, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Coaching

While I can agree with most of what Brian was saying in regards to Gailey, one area concerns me. Gailey ability as a leader and motivater. While the jury is still out, it seemed when a young Bill’s team lost confidence and their swagger, Gailey was not able to re-ignite them. Granted, injuries were an issue, but it is something I will be watching closely. I think Chan may be too caught up in running the offense, where as, I believe an NFL head coach is more of a manager.

by Coach Bob on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know

I don’t agree that a team needs a head coach in the Harbaugh style to win. Belichick, Tom Landry, Sean Payton, Tony Dungy, etc. won a lot of games and didn’t publically inspire the team. I think Gailey is more than that on the field anyway, and is a vocal motivator.

I do agree that Gailey needs an OC that’s calling plays, though. I think the collapse is due to the youth on the team.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree, Modkins needs to be the play caller on offense next year and obviously Wannstedt needs to take over as DC. I like Gaileys coaching style and demeanor, I like his philosphy on offense. I just think he has too much on his plate as a play caller and with him completely ignoring the defense, it suffers. At least with Wannstedt, you got a guy who has some idea of what he’s doing.

by eze on Dec 7, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to think playing for Tony Dungy would be sleep-inducing. I don’t see how that man could ever get fired up enough to inspire wrath in his players.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We need to lure Jimbo to coach the offense and show them how to run a no-huddle. The one negative for me on the coaching side was when the Bills appeared in no hurry at all to run the offense, down 2 scores with under 6 minutes left. I’m not saying you have to run the 2 minute offense there, but they wasted way too much time – need to have mulitple plays called and ready to go in that situation, and catch the D out of their preferred sets by getting to the line quickly.

by BuffaloRepresent on Dec 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Jim very well may be a terrible coach. Look at how Levy did as GM. The man was untouchable as a HC in Buffalo, but was a joke as GM.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

At the beginning of the year

Gailey was being lauded for his motivation skills, and his ability to get the team to be inspired to get back into the game.
I think what happens is that people think when thier team is winning, the coach is a great motivator, and when the team is losing, the coach is not able to motivate his players.

I think motivation itself is overrated. I think that its hard to find an NFL player who isn’t self-motivated, if a player is not motivated during a football game and needs somebody to talk to them in order to get motivated, then they probably aren’t going to make it to the NFL.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Glad you cited Brad Smith as a "Good"

I had him listed as one of my three good points about this game and was hoping you would do the same. I’m beginning to wonder, though, if he can’t be the deep-threat WR we need — at least until we draft and develop one (which often takes two years). He seemed to be able to get separation on deep routes on several occasions last Sunday, and as you point out he is a highly evasive runner once he gets the ball in his hands. The problem didn’t lie with him but with Fitz overthrowing him — something that may change once the two of them get their chemistry adjusted.

by Macktruck on Dec 7, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I’m not sure Smith is the long-term guy. But he may help Buffalo put deep threat WR lower on the priority list. I could live with Smith as an outside receiver, backed up by Brian Quick or Derek Moye, and maybe Marcus Easley (if healthy).

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Does this mean we can stop with the Fitz weak arm whining?

…but with Fitz overthrowing him…

Fitz can throw it a mile when he sets his mind to it AND has time to allow the play to develop.

"Teams that don't deserve to win.... usually don’t. Today is no exception." -- Mr Huge Pecs
"Nick Barnett is everywhere. He is behind you right now." -- Munchausen

by ChuckBuffInFlo on Dec 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

thats great. but fitz needs to be able to throw it deep AND on target. if he cant do that then the end result is hardly different than if he didnt have a strong arm in the first place

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, he wasn’t even close on a couple of occasions, and it wasn’t like a bad throw was forced by the D. Something we’re going to have to live with, Fitz’s ups and downs.

by BuffaloRepresent on Dec 7, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely.

His arm strength is fine, and he can make all the throws.
Just very often his accuracy just disappears.
Fitz rarely misses by a little bit, he is generally either way off, or perfectly on target. It’s weird.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

To an extent yes, but the general issue is still there. Fitz is not good at getting the ball downfield.
Does this mean we can stop with the Fitz weak arm whining?

His arm strength is adequate, but his mechanics, consistency and accuracy still lead to the end result…Fitz and the Bills do not make defenses fear them going deep.

Maybe this will be improved on during the off-season, but I think Fitz is pretty much at his ceiling. Hopefully I am wrong.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Dec 7, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

re offensive gameplan

lots of folks have pointed out that gaily got away from the run too early in the second half, which i certainly agree with, but i really think the way the offense came out was ill-conceived.

if i remember correctly, the first possession consisted of three empty-set spread formation incomplete short passes. maybe spiller didn’t motion out of the backfield on one of the plays, don’t remember.

i absolutely loved seeing mcintyre getting snaps on offense rather than just special teams and the two TE offset-I formation, but if that was the plan – as it clearly was – why did we waste the first possession with the spread, underneath stuff that hasn’t worked for the past month?

by beatlebum on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Plays are conceptual, not just structural

Gailey and the staff wanted to attack Tennessee in a certain way, and the best way to do that might have been from a spread. Part of it may have been a conditions test, eg: will some of our base offense work? If not, transition to a power attack.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Gailey is a good offensive mind… How quickly we have forgotten how bad it was w/ Jauron

However, our DC is still clearly overmatched. If we could have paired Fewell w/ Gailey we would be on to something. Here’s hoping Spags gets fired from the Rams and we grab him

by jonramz on Dec 7, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Even better in my mind is if Jerry Gray were still around.

He was the last DC we had that I thought really did a good job at affecting other teams.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Dec 7, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

don't panic

It’s amazing how quickly people are turning on Nix and Gailey. This is only the second year of rebuilding, and everybody is extremely impatient, especially because of the fast start this year. They call these things “5-year plans” because you simply can’t overhaul a 53-man roster that quickly. The fact that we could replace most of the previous regime’s draft picks with low-round picks and undrafted free agents speaks volumes about just how bad this team was. And everybody seems to have forgotten the “pop-gun offense” we had under Jauron where scoring 20+ points in a game was a rarity. Is everything fixed? No. But we’re on the right path, and changing out Nix and Gailey would only set us back.

The offense could certainly be playing better, but they’ve been struggling ever since injuries began to happen. They haven’t had a decent option all year at WR to go with Stevie Johnson and David Nelson, but maybe Brad Smith will be what they need (for now). He’s definitely an upgrade over Donald Jones, but they could certainly use a better option next year. The offensive line – when healthy – can hold their own, but we do need more quality backups. I still think this would be a good draft to pick up a franchise QB, especially if the Bills continue to work their way into the top-10 of the draft. Besides Andrew Luck, there are other good options like Matt Barkley and RGIII. Fitz is okay for now, but not long-term. Thigpen is awful and should never be higher than 3rd string on a depth chart.

Defensively, I’m holding out hope that Santa will deliver a new coordinator. Ours is obviously broken. We definitely need better outside pass rushers and another quality CB, but the fact that we can’t even generate pressure by blitzing tells me that George Edwards isn’t doing anything that the other teams aren’t already prepared to handle. Personally, I think the defense is still ill-suited for a 3-4 defense, and they would be much better off next year running a 4-3 with Dareus and Kyle Williams up the middle. We haven’t had a pairing like that since Pat Williams and Sam Adams.

by SiriusRed on Dec 7, 2011 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Besides Andrew Luck, there are other good options like Matt Barkley and RGIII.

Yes. Ryan Tannehill.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Pass Rusher in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 7, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with most of this.

Just not the “5 year plan” thing.
5 year plans just don’t happen in the NFL.
If you can’t do it in 3, you don’t belong in the NFL and you probably aren’t going to end up making it in 2 more years either.
It just simply hasn’t happened, and won’t happen.
So as much confidence as I have in Nix and moreso Gailey, next year is the make or break year.

Also, I’m not sure what Thigpen being awful is based out of. He really hasn’t done anything this year, and has proven in the past to be a somewhat decent quarterback.

But other then those, I definitely agree with what you’re saying.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You are quite the optimist if you think you can take a team devoid of talent and turn it into a Super Bowl roster in only three years. We might be able to seriously contend for a playoff spot in year three, but unless you get a deal like the infamous Herschel Walker trade, you aren’t likely to bring in enough talented players to turn the team into a true contender in such a short time frame. How many years did we have Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith, Andre Reed, Pete Metzelaars, Steve Tasker, and Darryl Talley before we surrounded them with enough talent to reach the Super Bowl? I’ll give you a hint… all of those players were on the 1986 team that went 4-12, and that was the year Marv Levy took over as head coach (after nine games).

As for Thigpen, I mentioned him in saying that none of the current QBs on our roster are anybody that I would want to build around for the future. Fitzpatrick is a stop-gap solution, not a franchise QB.

by SiriusRed on Dec 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Ah ok, 5 years to be a super bowl contender

I agree with that.
I was thinking more of the lines of make the playoffs, constantly compete.

by Xaviermw on Dec 7, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Point SR

It does take 4-5 years, PLUS a franchise QB (there are only 1-2 completely dominant defenses that come around once every 10-15 years to rescue a sub-par offense) and a lot of quality depth to be there year in and year out. in the playoffs. Green Bay, Giants, Steelers, Pats, Indy, Ravens (even the Eagles until recently) got it done w/ very good/elite QB play and depth to fill in for the injuries that everyone goes through.

by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Dec 7, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee Smith

Since moving back to Australia it’s been hard for me to watch the games so it’s good to hear Lee Smith getting dressed and on the field allowing Chandler to be more of a threat in the passing game. While this season has been an obvious disappointment offensively I am not worried about the Bills immediate future (next year & beyond), defensively on the other hand I would like to see some upgrades at the draft. I hope the calls for WR or QB are tempered for OLB, CB and OL/DL depth.

by Billsdownunder on Dec 7, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

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