Buffalo Bills Pursued Packers QB Graham Harrell, Per Report
by Brian Galliford on Dec 8, 2011 9:03 AM EST
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On Wednesday, the Green Bay Packers promoted third-year quarterback Graham Harrell to the active roster. Why is this relevant here? Why, because it was interest from the Buffalo Bills that prompted the Packers to give Harrell said promotion.
Per the report (which was relayed by Chris Brown, Harrell was courted by the Bills to become their third quarterback. As a member of Green Bay's practice squad, Buffalo could only pursue him as a member of the active roster - and in doing so, the Packers would have an opportunity to block his move by offering him a spot on their own active roster. Harrell got those offers from both teams and decided to stay in Green Bay, where he has an excellent shot of becoming Aaron Rodgers' primary backup next season.
This is interesting from the Bills' perspective for two reasons. First and foremost, it indicates a desire for the team to be developing a quarterback prospect long-term; the 26-year-old Harrell would have fit that description. I'm also curious as to how Brad Smith's move to wide receiver affected this move; the Bills have really only had two quarterbacks all season, but now their emergency option is needed elsewhere. If the decision to court Harrell was based solely on numbers, that would be a decidedly less interesting maneuver.
Either way, the Bills appear to be on the lookout for a quarterback.
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Makes sense.
Ran one of the best spread offenses in college football.
Fitz = M(C)²
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Yuck. I cannot wait until the Bills operate a team that isn’t about the sneak attack of a gimmicky offense.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This seems extreme Afghan. Unless its the power I its gimmicky? Meanwhile most of the best offenses in the NFL incorporate lots of gimmicks. The last thing I want is the a return to unimaginative, uninspired playcalling that typified the last decade. I want points, and as far as I can tell, innovation generates them.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pehaps it is extreme. It was also posted before I read DJ’s 3/3 from last week, where he asked who had noticed the shift towards a more conventional offense. Obviously I hadn’t, as the game was blacked out here.
And i’m not calling for the boring, but i’m longing for a team that can get it done in a conventional manner. Get guys good enough to dominate scheme to scheme, not ones tailored for one and only one type of offense.
Think about this: Should Gailey be canned in another year (hope not), it’s likely the offense goes through yet another major overhaul because of a new coach, new coordinator, and new philosophies that, more likely than not, won’t mesh with the current personnel.
I simply feel this offense (and the players in it) isn’t built to handle anything other than what Gailey provides.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Im not saying its exactly what Id run.
But if thats the scheme were going with, it makes sense to try and bring in someone who ran it in college, at a very high level.
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I got a TROPPer in the car, uhh!!
It wasn’t gimmicky when it was working – and if it’s working, who cares if it’s gimmicky?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 8, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
True. And I guess any offense can be considered a gimmick. I just dislike this cute sneak-attack stuff. I do realize it’s a major reason Fred Jackson took off, but I need to see an offense able to digest more and confuse the defense. This offense they ran worked for a time, but when it was solved, they had no other plan in place to immediate fix the solve.
It’d have been better to use it in the end of a successful season, going into the playoffs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
The Bills rarely ran gimmicks. A horizontal timing attack is not a gimmick…it just is easy to beat with a decent defense.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I still think what they ran the first month was a gimmick. They threw to set up the run. They hid routes in picks and relied on the receivers turning screens into long pass plays.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
How long as NE run a version of the spread now, 3, 4 years?
The Colts had a heavy spread influence too.
“Spread” is a very loose term. If you use the loosest definition, shotgun with at least 4 split receivers, then I would say every team runs it from time to time while many run it on a regular basis.
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Makes sense
But if I were Harrell, I would have taken the Bills offer. He is far more likely to play in Buffalo (start) than in Green Bay.
Its not up to him.
Plus he has a shot at a Super Bowl ring this year.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
I got a TROPPer in the car, uhh!!
wouldn’t he get a ring even if we had signed him? since he played for them at some point in the season… or does that only apply in other sports?
That sounds like something done in other sports.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure.
Like you said, I know they do in other sports… but Im not sure that a season long PS player signed to another team would be eligable? But teams may also be able to put anyone that had a contract on the list of players to get rings, I mean, they are paying for them.
Also, love the screen name.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
I got a TROPPer in the car, uhh!!
And not all teams give EVERY player a ring. I think the Packers gave every person associated with the organization one last year (or maybe it was the Steelers), but I think in most cases, PS dudes are left out of the order process.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that sounds familiar.
It was definitely one of those two teams. They got a ring for pretty much everyone. Which is pretty sweet.
Fitz = M(C)²
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It is Harrell's choice
Read Chris Brown’s report.
by usuo mojinga on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I saw that in a Yahoo story just a minnute ago.
But I could have sworn it was up to the team that they were signed with. If they wanted to keep him, they could, they just had to sign him to the 53 man roster. If they let him go, the team that takes him must keep him on the active roster for a min of 6 games or the remainder of the schedule if less than 6 weeks.
Fitz = M(C)²
"Lets Go Buff! a! lo!"
I got a TROPPer in the car, uhh!!
He was a ps player. Another team can sign him the packers are allowed to also offer him an active roster spot. He then gets to choose between the rosters.
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by matthew62 on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yah gives him the freedom to choose he is not stuck anywhere.
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by matthew62 on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this was exactly how we got Brian Brohm a few years ago
he was on GB’s practice squad, we wanted to poach him so we offered an active roster spot to back up Edwards. GB countered with the same offer, but Brohm chose to come to Buffalo instead of stay with GB because he saw a better chance to eventually take a starting job from Edwards instead of Rodgers. Bottom line the player gets to choose the best situation for himself.
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by k8 on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Someone in Buffalo’s front office must think that all Green Bay QBs are made of gold.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
It is up to him. Brian Brohm was offered a contract with the Pack and chose to come to Buffalo cause he would get a chance to play. He did start and washed out.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Washed out is being kind. I remember when he was forcasted as a #1 pick. Then he stayed in school.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Packers fans believe he stayed because matt flynn the back up is rumored to want to leave so he can start somewhere. Making harrell the next back up. This would allow him to develop with an orginaztion that has a reputation for good qb building.
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by matthew62 on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it makes sense to stay in green bay
this is his 2nd year so he will be jumping too soon if he wants to start… in that case, would you learn better behind rodgers or fitzpatrick…
good decision to stay in GB…
by statcruncher on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
He’ll learn what to do as QB in GB, and he’d have learned what not to do as a QB in Buffalo.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Makes sense, given the current circumstances. I still think the Bills will be in prime position to draft a franchise QB in the first round next year, and Tyler Thigpen is not anybody worth building around for the future. Given that we are still a few years away from completing a five year plan toward building a Super Bowl contender, this would be the perfect time to start grooming the QB who could lead them there. We might be able to reach the playoffs with Fitzpatrick, but unless we can build a dominating defense, I can’t see any way he could lead us to a Super Bowl.
by SiriusRed on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
its now a five year plan?
sigh.
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I was giving them away
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Apparently, it’s an exention to the current 12-year plan.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
what plan?
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by fansince60 on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry. I forgot to take my meds.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Extending something that’s not working out….where have I heard that before…cough, cough, Kelsay, cough, cough.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
There is no 5 year plan in the NFL. You do realize that quite a few teams have went from last to first in 1 season? 3 year plan is the goal.
It's always a five-year plan
Last to first in division, maybe… especially with the last-place schedule giving them a hand up. Last to Super Bowl contender? No. Do you want to simply reach the playoffs or actually be capable of winning the Super Bowl?
by SiriusRed on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
all except Buffalo’s philosophy where we take 11 years to decide who’s 5 year plan we want to use. Then, give the “regime” 2-3 years to get the players to begin to put the plan into effect.
By all accounts, IF this is the five year plan they’re going to go with (no guarantee yet), then about 2013, they will embark on the 5 years sojourn, meaning…look out 2018 Super Bowl, here we come….
"Hallelujah, Noel, be it heaven or hell, the Christmas we get, we deserve"- Greg Lake
It only works if you give the controls to people who know what they’re doing. A decade of poor drafting and signing castoffs and rejects instead of useful free agents put us where we are. I think that Nix and Gailey do have the right plan, but they still need to acquire several more pieces before the puzzle begins to look like something recognizable.
by SiriusRed on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No fan, no owner, nobody would ever give a team 5 years to accomplish a goal when they have millions of dollars to spend and they can easily bring in long term talent in the meantime. No right minded person is going to buy season tickets for a team in year 1 of a 5 year plan, because they know that team is going to be horrible. Not to mention that if 1 regime messes up, its now a decade of rebuilding? I have a hard time believing a team needs 3 years unless their cupboard is completely empty!
If the Bills really are on a 5 year plan…why fight so hard to win…guys are getting hurt, we’re losing draft position, and we know for a fact that they aren’t gonna splurge come free agency…so we’re basically almost already where the front office has us envisioned anyways! 5 year plan sounds more like, hey, give us as much time as possible to catch a lucky break on our incompetence!
5 year plan?
We must be “back in the USSR”.
by WhatGoesAround on Dec 8, 2011 6:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You don’t know how lucky you are.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
if we are not in position
…at the seasons end to draft a top flight QB, then it appears as though we will need to cont building us a dominant defense. Starting with a pass rush machine. Although I wld not be opposed to drafting “the honey badger” in the 1st either b/c our secondary has killed us. Tyran Mathieu and Aaron Williams with mckelvin and Rogers playing nickle/dime and McGee for depth (can’t stay healthy) sounds like a real good secondary. Having a shutdown secondary will help our pass rush. Maybe we cld get an OLB or pass rushing DE (depending on if we run a 3-4 or 4-3) in FA?
by youngchamp on Dec 10, 2011 12:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
the Bills appear to be on the lookout for a quarterback
please please please…
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
No Doubt
I want RG3 so bad, I hope we just lose out so we are in position to get him. He is gonna be a good one.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Would love to get RGIII, and I’m even a Fitz supporter. If we got RGIII I’d just sit him behind Fitz for one year, possibly two.
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Buffalo's best chance to win next year could conceivable come from two 2012 OLB Prospects: One many named Courtney (Upshaw), and one man named Whitney (Mercilus). Have them rush behind the Behemoth named Leslie and we'll be set.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Two years. Minimum.
Whoever we draft at QB next year, has to be a good, though possibly raw, talent that has everything that some people complain about Fitz, though there are definitely quite a few things Fitz can teach a rookie. (I actually was going on this plan for freaking Luck, only for only one year in his case. I’m just so sure that Trent Edwards disease is going to strike anyone who starts for us as a rookie.) The lower in the draft, the longer he sits and learns. (Possibly with an upgrade at QB coach… well optimally, I would say.) And then Ryan gets either a trade (he’s top-loaded on his contract), a release, or a year as a backup followed by the previous concept.
And of course I run naked through the streets of Foxboro, MA in January wearing only a Bills helmet because I’ve been proven wrong. Or whatever occurs to me at the time …
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by Orlando John on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Get a QB Buffalo Please!
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by buffalobacker on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
no worries
We will def lose out! Not by choice however, but because we truly stink! There’s no way we win another game. San Diego on the rd? Nope. Miami at home? Please. Tebow and the Broncos with their leagues best rushing attack? Heck to the no! Pats in NE?? Even if they rested their starters we still get beat. So, let me assure you, we will be in prime position to draft RG3…now whether or not we draft him after extending Fitz will be the real question. Although I can see us drafting him and allowing him to “sit behind” Fitz for a yr or so (even though he prob cld start yr 1).
by youngchamp on Dec 10, 2011 10:59 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It worked so well with Brohm might as well do it again.
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by twoeightnine on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
By this logic we should never draft a QB, DE, OT, etc. again, because we drafted busts once.
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by greysquirrel on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
By this logic it's a joke.
But he’s still a practice squad QB.
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by twoeightnine on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
So was Matt Hasselbeck.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (4th Round)
Buffalo's best chance to win next year could conceivable come from two 2012 OLB Prospects: One many named Courtney (Upshaw), and one man named Whitney (Mercilus). Have them rush behind the Behemoth named Leslie and we'll be set.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah…I don’t want him either….
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well, except for Mike Williams, we were reaching for the other 2 and learned our lesson…plus, look at Maybin now, he’s one of the better parts of the Jets front 7!
No
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by buffalobacker on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
This actually makes sense for Harrel. He would be the third QB for a few years and need to prove he can move up. He could be the primary backup to Rodgers NEXT year and get a contract to prove it.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
Yes, this. Harrell was quoted as saying he had a talk with Rodgers about it, he loves the organization, and why not? I can’t see a good reason for him to leave his current situation.
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Harrel, draft pick, FA-QB hummmm?
If we can get the right guy( QB ), in the 1st rd, I’d be all for that. We need help at many positions to be sure but, I’d go QB first if that guy ( whoever the FO and coach think is the right guy ) short of that a lot depends on many factors such as Easley, how we play the rest of the way FA and who’s availible when we draft. Although I still think Fitz has value, I hope we are serious about upgradeing the position.
it indicates a desire for the team to be developing a quarterback prospect long-term; the 26-year-old Harrell would have fit that description
Not sure I see this one – Fitz just turned 29 two weeks ago and Harrell is halfway to 27 – I don’t see how a guy that’s just two years younger with no experience is a long term anything
Jim Kelly was 30 by the time the Bills finally reached the Super Bowl, so I don’t think age is the biggest factor. However, a third year player who is still languishing on a practice squad seems like he would not be the QB of the future. That screams, “I will never be more than a career backup.” He might be able to displace Tyler Thigpen on the depth chart, but that’s it.
Still, this was probably nothing more than having an emergency QB in case of disaster. It also shows that Brohm and Brown aren’t going to be invited back any time soon.
by SiriusRed on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that’s really what I’m saying – at age 30, Jim Kelly was a 7 year pro starter between the USFL and NFL… I don’t see how Harrell is a developmental guy at age 27, and as far as I’m concerned, we have a developmental QB – he just happens to be the starter as well, but he definitely needs some development
by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Development
OK, but I’ll go for a franchise QB if I may. 60 million on “franchise QB” Alex! Please.
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by buffalobacker on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the scoop.
So Buddy Nix offers a contract to Harrell.
One of two things happen
- Harrell accepts the Bills contract or
- Harrell accepts the G B contract and then the Packers must release another player.
The Packers are one of the most talented teams in the NFL. The player they release will probably be someone Nix will consider grabbing.
Similar to the Scott Chandler scenario last year. Nix claimed Martin Rucker off Dallas PS. Dallas offered Martin a contract & he accepted theirs. The Cowboys then released Chandler, and Nix swooped in.
Way to go Buddy FoNi x
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Dec 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions
This whole scenario sounds to me like the Bills shouting to the fans…Fitz is our guy for the long haul, we’re going to put 2 non rookie QBs behind him and that’ll dispel our need to draft a QB or go after a bigger name
Exactly
Except Buffalo will let Fitz go before having to pay 59 million and promote next mediocre QB to Buffalo’s vaunted starter status! And the circle of deception continues, oh and don’t complain ,they could move!
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by buffalobacker on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I was always a big fan of Harrell
after his college career. I believe he had the NCAA record in yards when he graduated?
Obviously that wasn’t everything, I just think that it was ridiculous when this NCAA leader and runner of a no-huddle offense didn’t get drafted at all do to perceived NFL value.
I’m not saying he would be great, but I always felt bad for him in this regard, as he had done nothing but succeed in football.
So I can understand Gailey going after him as a potential developing 3rd QB.
If Matt Flynn leaves GB, its definitely a good opportunity for him to back-up Rodgers, so I don’t fault him there either.
Ah my bad
He was the leader in touchdowns and completions, not yards.
15,793 Yards, 134 TD’s, and 1403 completions.
Not bad for a college career.
Alot of it owed to Mike Leach’s offense, though, it was kind of the perfect combination.
Still think he deserved more of a shot, though coming out of college, and glad he is able to hang with the Packers.
Mcdonald?
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by buffalobacker on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
McDone
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by buffalobacker on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is one of the BEST news reports I have received about the Bills in several weeks now...
To me is shows that Nix and Whaley are on the search for more talent (albeit cheaply… i.e. large splashes in Free Agency and/or draft picks). Raiding other teams practice squads for potential gems in the recent past has landed us a few talents a long the way including Scott Chandler. With that said, I don’t think anyone is considering Graham Harrell to be anything more to the Bills than a 3rd string QB, just like no one was jumping up and down when the Bills signed Kyle Moore DE from the Lions practice squad a month ago. It happens all the time in the NFL… swapping and trading practice squad players.
However, I do see this as positive news beyond the fact that they are looking at the QB position and to the future of improving the position. They had to sign fitzy to an extension this year. Even though the years “seem” high, he can be cut or traded at anytime we are ready to make a move on another QB. With that said, I am a big proponent of drafting Matt Barkley, RG3 or a top QB prospect in the first round next year. I’d like to see that draft pick above a top OLB (I don’t think a Von Miller type of talent will be available to us unless we draft top 10 again, and even then it gives us more of a chance at Barkley).
Fitzpatrick is good and deserving of being our starting QB now. He should have competition for the position though and have someone behind him that we will turn the reigns over too…
As far as Texas Tech system QBs go...Harrell was always the best IMO
I remember when the Bills had control of Kliff Kingsbury…yikes…
Nice try atleast Buddy.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2011 6:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Firing Mike Leach
looks really bad in retrospect on them.
lol, you can’t lock a kid in a closet or whatever he did – especially when that whiny kid’s dad works for ESPN
by JustAskTheAxis on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Bill's
Are the “scrappers” of NFL. Meaning their out there grabbing whatever they can. Gotta give props to Nix and Chan for trying against all odds. I think Gailey is doing best he can given what he’s provided with. Fire the owner, than address rest.
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