Re-Examining Buffalo's Trade For Marcus Stroud
The Buffalo Bills traded for Marcus Stroud from the Jacksonville Jaguars in March of 2008. The trade wasn't complicated on the surface, but when you delve into the components of the trade, it becomes a long list.
In exchange for Stroud, the Jaguars received third- and fifth-round picks from the Bills, but neither pick was Buffalo's original choice in the round. The third-round pick used in the trade was obtained from the Baltimore Ravens as part of the trade for running back Willis McGahee. Another third-round pick obtained for McGahee turned into Trent Edwards, as well as a seventh rounder that became C.J. Ah You. The fifth-round pick was obtained from the Chicago Bears in a trade for DT Darwin Walker.
In the grand scheme of things, the Bills gave up Walker and McGahee for Stroud, Edwards and Ah You.
Walker never played for the Bills, refusing to report after being traded from the Philadelphia Eagles. In his time with the Bears, he managed a sack and 12 tackles in 11 total games. Walker was released after the 2007 season, landing with the Carolina Panthers. He started two games for the Panthers, totaling two batted balls and six tackles in ten games.
McGahee famously didn't like being in Buffalo, and was shipped out following the 2006 season. In the intervening four years, he has made a Pro Bowl appearance while seeing his rushing totals decrease in every season - all the way down to just 100 rushes for 380 yards in 2010. While he has been a touchdown machine (averaging almost eight scores a season), his role has continued to decrease in Baltimore.
The Bills needed a defensive tackle, and when Walker didn't work out they filled the void with Stroud, who was coming off of several down years in Jacksonville. He received early talk for Defensive Player of the Year in 2008 after a scintillating start, but he quickly came back to earth. In his three seasons, he missed only two games after missing 12 in his final two seasons with Jacksonville. He racked up 96 tackles, forced two fumbles and recovered three, batted 16 balls and sacked the opposing quarterback 7.5 times. Not Pro Bowl caliber, but steady numbers.
Ah You was released in the final round of cuts in 2008 and joined the St. Louis Rams' practice squad. He played in all 16 games in 2010, grabbing four sacks and 26 tackles.
Edwards went 14-16 as Buffalo's starting quarterback, passing for 5,739 yards and 25 touchdowns, while getting picked off 27 times. He was released in the fall of 2010, three weeks into the season.
As for the draft picks in the Stroud deal, the third- and fifth-round selections in the 2008 draft, they were both traded by Jacksonville. Baltimore got back their own third-round selection when Jacksonville moved up in the first round to select DE Derrick Harvey. The Ravens took LB Tavares Gooden at No. 71 overall. While he started 12 games in 2009, he was relegated to a reserve role in 2010 and has 43 tackles in three seasons.
The Dallas Cowboys traded up for the fifth-round pick, obtaining CB Orlando Scandrick. Scandrick has started nine games in three seasons, with two interceptions, 109 tackles and 4.5 sacks. The Jaguars fell back and selected LB Thomas Williams and RB Chauncey Washington. Williams and Washington have bounced around practice squads, with Williams actually spending time on Buffalo's taxi squad in 2010.
The Jaguars ended up with "18 spots in the first round," Thomas Williams, and Chauncey Washington in exchange for Stroud.
There's no doubt the Bills won this trade in the long haul, even if Stroud ultimately fell short of lofty expectations.
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When you add in the first rounder used on McGahee its pretty clearance Buffalo came out on the short end. For that first round selection the bills got
A DT who was less than stellar
A QB who never put it all together
A pissed off RB (Henry) who was doing an okay job til then
A RB (Lynch) taken to replace McGahee who was subsequently dumped for a 4th rounder.
If this constitutes a win for Buffalo its no wonder why the team is in such poor shape. And this accounts for only two of numerous wasted first round selections.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Feb 17, 2011 2:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Based solely on what they’ve done since the trade, I obviously disagree. :-)
The Jaguars ended up with “18 spots in the first round,” Thomas Williams, and Chauncey Washington in exchange for Stroud.
I personally think Stroud has kicked Harvey, Williams, and Washington out of the water. This trade worked out well for Buffalo.
You can talk about expectations of a first rounder and all this other stuff, sure, as far as the McGahee trade goes.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly why I said we got screwed.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 17, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds about right
Both teams gave up role players and got role players in return. Not to really dig up old moves, but would CJ Ah You be of any use to us now? Four sacks would have put him in a tie for 2nd on the team last year.
Was CJ Ah You the best player in the trade?!?!
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
LOL – as I was editing this, I briefly entertained that very question. I landed on ‘no’, but man, it was way closer than it should’ve been.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Considering what they gave up
I’d say te Rams won the trade.
I saw his four sacks and did a double take myself.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was in the McGahee trade, though, not the Stroud trade per se.
Stroud was clearly the best player in his trade.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
In the grand scheme of things, the Bills gave up Walker and McGahee for Stroud, Edwards and Ah You.
We got screwed.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 17, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions
Really? I’m not so sure about that…..
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, on the surface we did. But in the end I’sd say we came out ahead of the Jags because of Strouds steady (yet decreasing) impact and the Jag’s Bill-lke inability to draft.
I say we got screwed, but that was mostly because of the McGahee scenario.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
McGahee screwed us...
not the front office
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by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
At the time of the trade it was Stroud for the two draft picks, and I think it needs to be looked at as just that. That the picks were acquired in other trades and then subsequent trades were made with the picks traded is just an interesting side story and not a determination of the specific value of the Stroud trade.
And ultimately the players drafted at those traded picks doesn’t matter too much either; the question would be, would the Bills have been better off keeping those selections?
Obviously we don’t know who they would have taken, but their track record isn’t the strongest. They did take Chris Ellis one pick after Gooden was taken. Interestingly, Jamaal Charles was the pick after Chris Ellis and Jermichael Finley was later in the round, but other than that, I don’t see any standouts selected that would have offered the Bills a lot value. Overall, 2008 looks like a pretty weak draft.
Just on the Stroud trade I think the Bills came out ahead, but I don’t think it’s anything to brag about; I’m not sure they got the production out of Stroud that they paid him for (which was over $20 million for three seasons).
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As of right now, thats all the trade was as those guys have all past their primes – Stroud and McGahee anyway.
The trade doesn’t produce any clear winner or loser in my opinion – it’s just of little ongoing consequence.
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