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Mike Mayock High On Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert

On Thursday, NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock held a conference call with media to discuss prospects from the upcoming 2011 NFL Draft. Naturally, he spent a great deal of time talking about the quarterbacks - and despite Cameron Newton's buzz, it's Blaine Gabbert that remains atop Mayock's board at that specific position.

Several different outlets covered the conference call, but I'm particularly fond of the way Omar Kelly of the Sun-Sentinel (yeah, he covers the Dolphins - forgive him that minor hiccup, as he's quite good at his job) phrased Mayock's belief that teams shouldn't pass on a franchise quarterback:

"If you believe there’s a franchise quarterback, that trumps every other need," Mayock said, floating that question, statement, THREAT out there about a dozen or so times.

It's the players that Mayock purportedly compared Gabbert to, however, that drew the biggest eyebrow-raise from me.

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What follows is a series of tweets that Kelly sent out as the Mayock conference call was still in progress. Take a guess as to which tweet got my immediate attention.

"Ever team in the top ten who thinks they need a quarterback ought to be grinding those QBs, and they better look at Blaine Gabbert," Mayockless than a minute ago via web

Mayock said he's seen 7 of Blaine Gabbert's games and he reminds him of Stafford and Bradford, guys who immediately do well in NFL.less than a minute ago via web

"If u believe there's a franchise quarterback..that need trumps everything else. Ryan Fitzpatrick is OK, but you need a franchise QB" Mayockless than a minute ago via web

Mayock is concerned about Blaine Gabbert's transition from the spread to NFL offense. "The footwork and reads are completely different."less than a minute ago via web

First and foremost, simply by mentioning Ryan Fitzpatrick by name, it's pretty clear which team Mayock has in mind when talking about a Top 10 team that needs a franchise quarterback.

But hold up: now we've got Mike Mayock, arguably the most well-respected draft expert not employed by an NFL team, is comparing Gabbert to Matthew Stafford and Sam Bradford? That's high praise for a quarterback whose stock was reportedly slipping of late, and who was not supposed to compare favorably with guys that were selected No. 1 overall in the past.

Newton, I think justifiably, is still getting most of the publicity amidst the Bills fan base (see our previous article about Chan Gailey). But this is an eye-opening, yet fair statement of opinion by Mayock - and Bills fans should probably be paying attention.

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Can anyone tell me...

how does Gabbert rate as a prospect compared to guys like Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Jay Culter? These are QB’s that weren’t #1 overall picks like Bradford and Stafford. But all went in the early to mid first round. I would love some of your draft gurus to tell me how Gabbert compares to these guys in terms of his long term potential, his short term readiness and his overall risk that he busts.

by CBATL32 on Feb 18, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll take a stab at it:)

IMO, Gabbert compares favorable to all of the above in terms of size, arm strength, release and athleticism. What is unknown is just how much of an “upside” this kid possesses as a winner. And I think that’s mainly due to 2 things 1/ he doesn’t have a large body of work and 2/ he really didn’t stand out.

Let me break this last one down further. One would think a top 10 talent at the QB position would be able to muster some kind of spectacular, over the top performance in at least one college game – where by he single handedly lifts his team to victory when they shouldn’t have. Yet with Blaine, you just haven’t seen that. Now, I’m not saying that you have to have a career record of a Tim Tebow. Or the individual heroics of a Michael Vick. But of the QB’s you mentioned CBATL32, all proved something toward that regard – at one point or another in the college career.

Even Jay Cutler, who played at Vanderbilt with a less than stellar W-L record, put up an incredible game against a great Florida team at the time. Vandy and Jay lost that game 49-42 but with a controversial 2 point conversion involved. Here’s what one player said about Cutler coming out

 "former Denver Broncos safety John Lynch said, “If this guy can take a bunch of future doctors and lawyers and have them competing against the #13 Florida Gators, this guy is a stud.” Jay lost that game 49-42 with a controversial 2 point conversion play involved to boot.

So John kind of sums up my point. Something has to be there besides the measurables for me to get behind him as a top 10 pick, regardless of the belief that you can’t pass up a potential “franchise” QB in the first (which if that was the case, Clausen would be a Bill).

Therefore I might believe in Gabbert if there was only something I could “hang my hat on” in terms of an elite performance. However, without one, it leaves me thinking he’s way more of a risk at #3 than I’d like with my pick.

by DJ O on Feb 19, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t exactly heroics, but he did win at Texas A&M and then vs. Oklahoma in back to back weeks this season. They were ranked 19 and 6 when he beat them and had a pair of 140+ QB ratings, 66 offensive points and threw for a combined 670 yards, 4 TDs and no INTs in the games. It put Mizzou into the national championship discussion until they lost to Nebraska.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 20, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Havent seen much of Blaine

But what i saw, i wasn’t overly impressed. The fact that he avg 6.8 yards per pass last season, kind of scared me away..i started thinking about captain checkdown…maybe it was the offense, or maybe it was him…still 3 is way to high for this guy.

Cam is criticize for playing in a spred offense, but Blaine gets a past. Not sure how that works..

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

take a look at

his stats from a year before

59% completion, 8.07 ypa, 24 TD, 9 INT…

the reason for the 6.8 ypa this year is a change in offense… missouri went to a spread short passing game… he has shown last year he can throw and he has strong arm and good accuracy… what he has not shown is leadership in my opinion… he hasnt won anything in college…

by statcruncher on Feb 18, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

ok that explains my observation

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Cam doesn't just play in a spread offense.

He plays in a ‘Spread Option’. He takes one look after the snap and decides to either

A) Throw the ball
B) Tuck and run.

This isn’t the spread offense you see the Patriots running, or anyone else in the NFL for that matter. This is also another reason why his intelligence comes into question. Before most every snap you see him looking over to the sideline to get the pre-snap read. After the snap, its one quick read and either throw it to that specific WR or run, instead of buying time for someone else to get open or to even see if someone else is open.

1) AJ Green [WR - Georgia] 2) Cameron Heyward [DE - Ohio St.] 3) Colin Kaepernick [QB - Nevada] 4) Casey Matthews [ILB - Oregon] 5) Owen Marecic [FB - Stanford]

by NordicBillsfan on Feb 18, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Fitzpatrick

looking over to the sideline to get plays too as well as many other pro QB’s. So what?

by phaze1 on Feb 18, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a difference between looking over to the sidelines and getting a play, and looking over to the sidelines and being told what to do after you see the defensive lineup.

1) AJ Green [WR - Georgia] 2) Cameron Heyward [DE - Ohio St.] 3) Colin Kaepernick [QB - Nevada] 4) Casey Matthews [ILB - Oregon] 5) Owen Marecic [FB - Stanford]

by NordicBillsfan on Feb 18, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I seen the same video

of Sam Bradford doing the same exact thing..it’s the offense theyre in…

What is your take on Tebow?? Is he intelligent, because the offense in FL was the same offense.

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. It’s spread vs. spread option. Gabbert throws the ball on 55% of Mizzou plays, Newton is barely above 30%. That’s a huge schematic difference. That’s also not including option reads and things that don’t exist in the NFL that Newton spent all season learning. Gabbert has simplified reads playing in a spread, Newton has reads that don’t exist in the NFL playing in the spread option.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 18, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But..

We know at the college level, they put players in a position that helps them win games. Not necessarily to show case their talents for NFL scouts..

With that being said, if you were a college coach, coaching a player that had the skill sets of Cam Newton, would you not coach him the same way? Which is to be a dual threat, to keep the defense off guard. If you had a player that can really do both very well, wouldn’t you utilize that?

The fact that he threw the ball 30% of the time, is a coach saying “hey you can stop him from running”. A good coach rather control the ball by running, which protects the ball and protects the defense. Passing should be option B.

Now the NFL is different, you have to protect the QB because of the $ you have invested in him. If Manning could run like Mike Vick, they still will keep him in the pocket as much as possible, college is different.

But nevermind that, stats doesn’t lie:

Cam-185-280 2,854 yards; 66% completion, 10.19 ypa, 30tds 7Int

Gabbert- 301-475 3,186 yards; 63.4% completion, 6.71ypa 16tds 9 int

So we have a guy who had for 116 more completions, but only threw for 332 more yards. Thats 2.8 yards per pass. Not to mention he was the 8th highest rated QB in the Big 12. And i’m suppose to believe he’s a number 3 pick, and is better than Cam Newton….who was the highest rated QB in the SEC…NO WAY

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No one, not one person on this thread is saying Gene Chizik made the wrong decision in how to use Cam Newton in college football. He was very effective at what he did, both Newton and Chizik. Why you even bring this up, i have no understanding other than setting up a Straw-Man argument just so you can take it down yourself.

What some are saying, is that because of the offense he played in college, the spread option, his stats and what he did will not translate to the NFL when comparing to other prospects that played outside of the Spread Option.
 
The Spread Option takes advantage of skill sets that won’t translate to the NFL and requires a less cerebral qb to run (one look, not there then take off and run). No one is saying the qb is unintelligent because offense he’s in, they’re saying the offense can mask unintelligent QBs, so you can’t just look at production and say that QB is going to be good in the NFL. Ergo, the QB prospect isn’t able demonstrate his ability to read complicated defenses (not through his own fault, but merely the system he’s in).

There’s a reason the option isn’t ran in the NFL. What Spread Option QBs get away with in NCAA they will not in NFL. Even Vick’s running was starting to get shut down near the end of the season and he was in a legit NFL offense. Newton is an exceptional athlete who is much more athletic than the players around him. In the NFL, that gap will decrease considerably. He’ll still be able to run with a degree of success, but it likely won’t be anywhere as dominant.

Next, accuracy comes into question. Newton demonstrated exceptional accuracy in college, throwing for 66%. However, what happens when he gets to the NFL, and teams wont have to defend his running ability first (as college teams had to) and start defending the pass with more priority. Will he continue to do well? Will he crumble because of increased coverage pressures? Will he continue to lock on to and stare down receivers (appears to do this fairly often even in highlight vids)?

I assume you supported Tebow with just as much fervor last year. After all they accomplished just as much and posted very similar stats in college.
Passing
Tebow: 2007 FLA 234 350 66.9 3286 9.4 32 6 172.47
Cam: 2010 AUB 185 280 66.1 2854 10.2 30t 7Int 182.05

Rushing
Tebow: 2007 FLA 210 895 4.3 23t
Cam:2010 AUB 264 1473 5.6 20t

Sure, Newton had more yards, but less TDs. If we’re talking Newton in the 1st this year, why was Tebow such a late pick?

What this leaves us with, is that outside of his athleticism, much of what he’s shown in college wont compare to other prospects. Other than his athleticism, he’s a more significant question mark at QB than other prospects this year (and this is disregarding his questionable ethics (not work, but off the playing field).
Tebow had what could arguably be considered the most sure-fire work ethic out of any prospect in any draft, and he only went 25th overall.

Sure, you don’t have to interpret the facts as I have done, but you have no call for the race card when looking at Cam Newton evaluations you don’t agree with. Arguments like the one’s I listed above are based on logic and sound reasoning. Again, you don’t have to interpret the stats or situations in my manner. But when someone uses an argument with similar standing as the ones above, there is no call for the race card that you pulled out earlier.

1) AJ Green [WR - Georgia] 2) Cameron Heyward [DE - Ohio St.] 3) Colin Kaepernick [QB - Nevada] 4) Casey Matthews [ILB - Oregon] 5) Owen Marecic [FB - Stanford]

by NordicBillsfan on Feb 18, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Just to make a point, Tebow and Newton played in a very similar offense, just as you all stated. However, implying that Tebow went #25th because of the spread option to me is incorrect. IMO, Tim went 25th due to his limited physical talent, i.e. arm strength, release, height and lateral quickness.

Newton, on the contrary, is Big Ben like physically. Which is too say freak like. He has a quicker release than Ben and has more ‘wiggle’ than Big Ben and perhaps even Aaron Rodgers. That’s scary.

Coaches love talent they “cant’ teach” more than a good guy that has leadership skills. For recent evidence, look no further than at Kevin Kolb verses Mike Vick. Kolb is regarded as a consummate team guy you’d love to play for, but who got the starter nod in Philly? You got it. 24601 aka The Talent.

Hence the reason I feel Cam will go much high than Tim, and Blaine, regardless of the spread option offense.

by DJ O on Feb 19, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

All I was doing was explaining why Newton gets criticized for being a spread QB and Gabbert doesn’t. It’s the same reason that Tebow was criticized and why Bradford wasn’t. It’s entirely about the adjustment to the NFL. It’s going to be much bigger for Newton than for Gabbert. That’s not the be all end all, but it’s not nothing either. Last year, people claimed that Tebow was being criticized more than Bradford because he was an outspoken Christian. People get defensive, but sometimes criticisms are legit.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 18, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like Newtons Jump won't be as big as Gabbert

2 reasons here

ONE is Newton may not have played in a offence that resembled a pro style. But that didn’t help Jimmy Clausen at all. Newton had alot more pro style type “situations” and pro style throws that would lend me to believe he can throw the ball in those situations. However the root of most people concerns is can he read these situations to even get a chance to use his accuracy and arm strenght. My answer to that is…YES. The reason i think we are totally sensationalizing this aspect of football is because we use the world “INTELLIGENCE” instead of what really allows a quarterback to excel. And that is instincts as a passer. No quarterback drops back pulls out a laptop(rofl)…a slide ruler….and telescope to plot the flight path of the ball….and a calculator. Intelligence allows you to process the offence and each play…instincts allows you to excute it. I am sure Matt Hasselbeck knows a play book inside out. But that is far far different that excution of a play. In short Newtons skill sets would favor the pros more than it would college. EXAMPLE look at this video of him passing he looks more like a pro QB than Gabbert by miles >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE_fYORFXa8&feature=player_embedded
Now observe Gabbert passing >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nGYHLeB2g … in these videos Newton and Gabbert appear to have switched uniforms based on the football goosip i read. Clearly Newton is confortable playing in the pocket…Gabbert appears to have “issues” and doesn’t seem to throw pro passes down the field.

2nd reason
I feel like the tone of the last few posters basiclly in summery are saying this. Newton isn’t lacking in intelligence as a qb…he just hasn’t had a chance to display any because of the offence he is in.

Intelligence is important as a quarterback…but i think if you look at the history of the game you can see alot of very good qb’s. That played at a very high level…example does anyone remember how good Doug Williams was when he wasn’t injuried lol? He was dominate at times but if you ever heard him talk you would hardly consider him the sharpest knife in the draw (sorry doug). But he did have a knack …the instinct to play the position. He knew how to distribute the football…timing….decision making….accuraccy. All of these things translate into the “intelligence” people often refer too.

Now i am gonna go on a limp here….but i remember long ago people said these same things about a quarterback coming out of Washington. They said he was a running QB. They said he wasn’t smart…..Boy did Warren Moon Prove them wrong. That is who i see when i watch Newton pass..Warren Moon

Detroit Lions Mock Draft

1. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado
2. Nate Irving LB NC State
3. Ahmad Black S Florida
4. Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5. Stevan Ridley RB LSU
7. special teams coverage demon

by Shankdiddy on Feb 20, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

i really really can't type sorry ...sigh

Detroit Lions Mock Draft

1. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado
2. Nate Irving LB NC State
3. Ahmad Black S Florida
4. Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5. Stevan Ridley RB LSU
7. special teams coverage demon

by Shankdiddy on Feb 20, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

AWESOME!!!

Unbelievably objective work here Shankdiddy. Your choice of video action isn’t the hype machine / only good looking throws variety. I respect that

The Newton throws at 2:56 and 3:09 mark of the video really stand out for me. The first is a play that you see in the pros all day. Middle blitz.. LB coming in untouched. Newton stands tall, delivers the pass while taking a hard shot to the body. The best part was that he “sees” the play for what it was, which was to stand there and take the shot, because he had an underneath “hot” route directly in the vacated space of the blitzing LB. Not only does he “read” the play correctly. But he executed the pass, plus he’s big enough to not get hurt in the process.

This play has me really excited about his pro prospect. I agree that the term “intelligence” is way over used in the NFL. I totally agree that instincts play more of a key factor in making plays happen verses being an analytical thinker on the field. Especially in today’s uber fast paced game.

To me, this is what defines the modern day QB to me. Everyone talks about es-capability, which is nice to have in your QB don’t get me wrong. But for me, it’s more about a quick release coupled with the ability to be accurate while taking a hard shot.

Great work Shankdiddy. Best stuff I’ve seen of the two Top10’ers yet.

And with Cam, the LB actually needs to be worried when hitting this kid.

by DJ O on Feb 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, just explaining why one guy gets criticized for playing in a spread while the other doesn’t. It’s an extremely valid thing and not based on intelligence. IE: Tebow vs. Bradford.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 20, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how it works:

Mike Mayock has surely studied both Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert far more than probably any of us here, and certainly those who have posted on this topic. He’s an expert in this respect, and he has put in the work to deliver a very sound, intelligent report on where the QB’s stack up. He’s a legit source, most of you (me included) are not. If Mayock says he’s the best QB I’m going to believe him. Remember, this is a response to doctork44 that “still 3 is way too high for this guy” referring to Gabbert.

by jmkney on Feb 18, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey i respect Mayock, but he gets in wrong from time to time. So what he says i have to take it with a grain of salt..

Here is take on Clausen

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d8176e5ae/Mayock-s-Clausen-evaluation

Now i know hindsight is 20-20, and Clausen is still early in his career but even the experts get it wrong sometime.

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone does. But Mayock seems to be a fair bit better than quite a few other pundits in judging talent and when/where players will be drafted. He’s one of the guys that I tend to really listen to.

by aquias on Feb 18, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

me too.

But i’m not putting my entire faith him as if he is speaking the word of God.

He can very well change his mind in a few weeks.

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

good points

No one person, Mike Mayock or not, can be right, 100% of the time when it comes to the draft. If he were, he’d be working for a team and paid more than Bill Polian and Scott Pioli combined :)

I like the conviction you have to speak your mind doctork. Most kneel down to the word of Mayock. Keep it up.

by DJ O on Feb 19, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry But Mike Maylock is like that guy walking around with a clip board....

….you think he is really smart. Untill you see he is looking at cartoon charaters on his clip board.

Yea this is the guy who says Brandon Harris is a 2nd to 3rd round pick……sigh

Detroit Lions Mock Draft

1. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado
2. Nate Irving LB NC State
3. Ahmad Black S Florida
4. Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5. Stevan Ridley RB LSU
7. special teams coverage demon

by Shankdiddy on Feb 20, 2011 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If i’m going to take a QB who ran a “spread style offense”, I’ll think i’ll take the guy who was the best at it, not the 2nd or 3rd best.

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

This makes sense

Gabbert could get on the field quicker and his gym rat attitude will help this.

by eze on Feb 18, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Newton is another Vince Young train wreck waiting to happen. Imo

by hitekguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Are you talking about Vince on the field or off?

because I believe he has a winning record on the field as well as a passer rating of 98.6 last year. As far as off they’re totally different people. Vince was called immature in college and was known for having emotional issues. Cam has none of that.

by telka on Feb 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Der...

…sold me on Gabbert being a solid pick at 3 some time ago :P

by aquias on Feb 18, 2011 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

I wish the bills could find a way to get another first rounder viable to get a QB. I don’t think any of the current prospect QB are worth a greater than 5th pick .

by hitekguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Don't get caught up in draft spot..

Look at Freeman, Flacco, Rodgers, Big Ben.. all drafted in teens or twenties, and all would go top 3 today (well actually they’d all go #1). If it’s a franchise QB you take him. Simple.

by jmkney on Feb 18, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I don’t think Newton has a better natural skill set than Gabbert does. He’s bigger and more athletic, but out of pocket athletic ability is easily the most overrated QB attribute. I think Gabbert has the best arm in the draft. By “arm”, I mean the combo of release/mechanics, accuracy and throw power to every part of the field. I’d be happy with a Gabbert pick in the first round, especially over a defensive lineman. An elite level skill player like Peterson or Green is where I’m a little more on the fence. But as far as QBs go, I strongly prefer Gabbert to everybody else in the draft.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 18, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry, I meant past the line of scrimmage, scrambling for positive yardage type of athletic ability. Anything behind the line is great, anything past the LOS is something that gets way, way, way overrated. 40 time for QBs is pointless is all I was saying.

Part of the reason that Alex Smith went before Aaron Rodgers was because he was more athletic, but only in the sense that he’s the faster straight line player and a guy who tests better in shorts. Rodgers had the better arm, but was overlooked for the guy who was better on paper. Not a direct comparison to these prospects because Newton doesn’t have the mediocre arm that Alex Smith has, but that’s what I was trying to say about athleticism in QBs.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 18, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

great mock draft take at arizona republic

bunch of offensive tackles going in first round, has bills going with peterson, which
i do not believe will happen…

i am not sold on cam newton….i really think the best move is for the bills to focus on
winning now, and that means building defense and offensive lines, with defense the
clearest top priority…

i would love to see the bills trade their top 3 pick and get a first and second or even first and third for it…do like the pats…..

seems like there are lots of top quality defensive players and offensive tackles in the draft, and we could use the savings by drafting lower to spend on free agent needs….

by simonpure on Feb 21, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

Im starting to warm to the idea of drafting Gabbert. I’d be fine with any of the QBs listed below.

1) Gabbert
2) Locker
3) Kaepernick
4) Ponder

1) AJ Green [WR - Georgia] 2) Cameron Heyward [DE - Ohio St.] 3) Colin Kaepernick [QB - Nevada] 4) Casey Matthews [ILB - Oregon] 5) Owen Marecic [FB - Stanford]

by NordicBillsfan on Feb 18, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert Conversation

I thought this thread was for the Gabbert pick???

by danntheman on Feb 18, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree with Mayock

I’ve been high on Gabbert since last year, and stated that Buffalo should take Gabbert at 3 right after he declared. Nothing that I’ve seen contradicts this. Mayock is reinforcing the point.

If you watch Gabbert, you’ll see the arm strength and accuracy, which is why Mayock is making those comparisons.

There’s no universe that I could be in where I would take Newton over Gabbert. Would you take Bradford over Tebow? I wouldn’t.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

I would take Bradford over Tebow, but I’m pretty sure you meant that you wouldn’t take Tebow over Bradford.

by LetsGoBflo on Feb 18, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, yes

I meant to say that I’d take Bradford over Tebow. Good catch, thanks.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 18, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh

good question..it depends honestly. It’s almost your personal preference. Like if you prefer red wine over white.

I for one prefer the extra things you get with a player like Tebow. I’m not just talking about his intangibles. But football things like, his ability to make 4 and inches. Imagine if we had a guy that you can count on to pick up short yardarge when ever its needed. Maybe having a player like that will help our 59% 1st down conversion rate when we have 4 yards or less to make. Or what he can bring to the running game in late game situations…

by doctork44 on Feb 18, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bills should go defense

Don’t care where. Line would be preferable but if they don’t like the top guys, then I’d be ok going elsewhere. But if they decided to go Gabbert, I wouldn’t throw my TV out the window.
They should stay far far away from Newton.

by Philaster on Feb 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it's getting hard to not like Blaine @3

kaisertown endorsement? check.

Der Jaeger endorsement? check.

Mayock endorsement? check.

…pretty solid opinions right there….

@majorgruve

by Undee on Feb 18, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol i like this.

I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.

I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.

by John Paul King Baron on Feb 19, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Your wrong about Newton

He does not = Young or Russell

Both of those guys grew up without a significant father figure. Cam’s dad gave him some freedom in Florida, and has been on track since then. Cecil Newton picked out Blinn college because Cam would get experience under center, we have nothing to worry about.

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Feb 18, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Cecil is not going to win dad of the year. Not a fan of a dad pimping his son.

For my own personal sanity, I am officially banning myself from reading/saying anything about Cam Newton.... starting the day after the Bowl game until the start of the combine.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein

by Joe P. on Feb 18, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a fan of a dad pimping his son.

Me neither, I’m just providing a counter point to the notion that Newton will have off field problems like Young and Russell.

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Feb 18, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If you need to rely on another person to keep you out of trouble, that’s a problem. Last time I remember logic like that was when Marshawn was going to bring his mom to live in Buffalo.

by JapanJohn on Feb 19, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

we HAVE ALOT TO WORRY ABOUT

a 1st rd pick at QB that is a bust (which i completely believe he will be) will set a franchise back at least five years. We finally seem to be headed in the right direction and drafting theif and liar would not be a step in the right direction.

I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.

I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.

by John Paul King Baron on Feb 19, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The Combine is in a week

we’ll find out what we need to about Newton and Gabbert’s football smarts.

Cam better perform all the workouts, too… after that media day fiasco.

by Wien on Feb 18, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

I'd get measured, interviewed, leave and prepare for my Pro Day

He has nothing to gain by going through the drills and will be ripped apart by those looking for anything miniscule. Plus he would be throwing to receivers in which he has no rapport. So why not get scrutinized in a comfortable environment throwing to receivers he knows? That’s what he’ll be doing in pros anyway.

by telka on Feb 18, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Agreed. He would be smart to not work out at the combine. It won’t help him and can only hurt him, IMO.

"I don’t understand why so many actually do believe in [Fitz]. Because he had a surprising season, threw a handful of TD’s and was better than the previous pile of manure the Bills put in at QB? That’s not good enough" - K

by willgarr15 on Feb 18, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

after that media day fiasco.

Im not sure why you’re calling it a fiasco. All of this hype that Cam is getting came pouring out after it. Mel Kiper and others moved him into their number 1 spot as a QB prospect because of it. And even if there are some teams that don’t buy into media hype there are always teams like the Washington Redskins that do.

His media day was a success for him.

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I just cant bring myself to believe that Gabbert is a top 10 pick after being completely being off everyone’s charts before Luck didn’t declare for the draft. Now, magically he’s the consensus #1 QB to be had in the draft? …nah. I’m not buying it for a second. I know nothing of the guy.

by Oxyman on Feb 18, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

From what ive seen his footwork needs huge improvement and he played most of the time in a 5 reciever set. He has potential but I wouldn’t love the idea of him at 3

Take the Ry out of Drury what do you get? DRU!!!

by Jcksn22 on Feb 18, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

For what it’s worth, Wes Bunting at NFP is saying he hasn’t talked to a scout with a first-round grade on Gabbert.

Most of you should know by now that the draft is not my thing so I have no dog in this race yet.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 19, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

go defense, please

1st 3-4 rounds please…

will never win with the front seven as it is…

we can win for a few yrs with Fitz…

and with an excellent defense, and a better offense, no
reason, if the jets can almost go to the super bowl twice
with what’s his name underage sex machine lover boy
sanchez…….we cannot get over the hump, my pardon, with
a grizzly bear Amish Cannon from Harvard….

by simonpure on Feb 19, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

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