why give up on maybin?

Pretty sure James Harrison wasn’t drafted…. which puts him at a much different starting point – so I’m not sure about the comparison.

Regardless I’m of the strong opinion that he just needs more time. I think you’ll be proven right – Maybin will get cut or traded and a good coach or d-cord that knows how to teach and utilize him will make something out of him yet. In 5 years we’ll all be bitching about giving up on too early.

by TrufflePig on Feb 18, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

You’re correct; Harrison was undrafted. He was cut several times by Pittsburgh and Baltimore before finally catching fire.

There is a chance that Aaron Maybin could develop into a terrific NFL player. To this point the man has shown absolutely nothing. Even the coach who drafted him (Jauron) couldn’t stomach having Maybin on the field. CHIX does not seem impressed by Maybin and have no ties to him. With Merriman and Moats expected to get reps ahead of him Maybin is unlikely to make the final roster.

By the way, I would not cut Maybin until Buffalo is hurting for a roster spot. There is a chance that Merriman’s injury history will sideline him (yet) again. Who knows? While he’s languishing at the bottom of the depth chart maybe Maybin will figure out how to contribute.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 18, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions

Of course he could.....but the odds are against it

I would put them at 80% chance of bust.

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by Joe P. on Feb 18, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions

So your saying there’s a chance

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 18, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions

Second time...

I’ve seen that Dumb and Dumber quote on SBNation today :)

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by John H IL on Feb 18, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions

Urkel also used that on Family Matters whenever Laura said there’s a million other guys she’d rather go out with (or something to that effect)

by maestro110584 on Feb 19, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions

It's all in the timing...

but it’s still hilarious.

by blknites on Feb 19, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions

Sure he could, thats why he was drafted so high

but what Moats did it this year shows that Maybin is really missing something mentally

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by billsoferie on Feb 18, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions

rec'd

But I also think physically. Thedude needs to get fat. Then turn the fat into muscle. and I don’t care if you well he’ll loose that burst that got him drafted so high because it aint helpin him now. He’s just to damn skinny. It says he’s like 250 I think but I think that’s major BS.

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by OC-BILLS-FAN on Feb 18, 2011 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

that is part of it

he is still so young, it is hard to give up on him. i dont think anyone would trade anything for him, i would let him play out his contract. If he never does anything, just let him go.

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by billsoferie on Feb 18, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions

Maybin

NFL means not for long. Maybin’s had his chances and has shown nothing. Next.

And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!

by buffalobacker on Feb 18, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions

I dont see how giving up on him now is even an option.

he signed a 5 year 15 million guarantee contract. I would be shocked if we have paid him more than 6 million so far so we would have to pay him 9 million this year to let him walk. Not even DJ with Clevland would think about trying to trade for him. He is our problem for at least one more year. Next year we could let him walk for about 7 million now we are getting close, but even then IMO we let him play out the contract. We now officially have a 52 man roster.

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by jbbillfan on Feb 18, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions

15 mil guaranteed means

that he got that money right away as I see it, and then another 10 or so spread out over the contract… as I think his total contract was for somewhere in the 20s

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by killascript on Feb 19, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions

his contract was 5 years 17.6 million. with 15 million guaranteed.

someone correct me if I am wrong, but as I see it he gets a base sallary every year (last year was 395K$ this year is 757K$) I could not find any details as to any bonuses(signing or roster), but we know he has to get the 15 million over his contract. I came up with my numbers by adding all his base sallary, and subtracting it from the guaranteed amount this gave me 10.87 million. I then divided that by 5 years to come up with 2.174 million a year in guarantee money to add to whatever his base salary for the year is. I know this is probably not 100% correct, but it should be real close. I came up with:
2009 2.494 million
2010 2.569 million
2011 2.931 million
2012 3.294 million
2013 3.656 million
total 14.9445 million so you see my numbers got off a little, but this should be close to what he is getting on a yearly basis. So he has only recieved close to 5 million so far the rest wont be given out until that year or we cut him.

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by jbbillfan on Feb 19, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions

you are off by a bit....

i pasted what he made in 09 off of the usatoday salary tool. he is getting paid way more, which really just helps prove youre point,

PLAYER BASE SALARY SIGN BONUS ALL BONUSES CAP VALUE SALARY POSITION

Maybin, Aaron $ 1,450,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 1,850,000 $ 3,450,000 Defensive End

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Bills/salaries/2009-10

and why are our cb’s paid so well?

by NHBillzFan on Feb 19, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions

Thanks, I was looking for a sight yesterday that would give past money issued to players to verify my numbers.

The sight you linked is the only one I found, and some of the numbers looked good, while others I could not figure out so I did not use it. Does anyone have any knowlege of the sight? For instance why would Mckelvin have a (385K base) no bonuses, and yet show a salary of 6+ million$ ??? Can teams pay their players ahead of schedule to make more financial room for future years?

I used for my yearly salary info, and it does not match with the other site

Anyway I would like to know a site that tells what a player got paid in a given year as rotoworld takes their past info down(keeps it updated). IMO it still looks like we owe Maybin a ton of money and our only hope for afew years is that the light will finally come on.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Feb 19, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

sorry link failure. Can someone help??

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by jbbillfan on Feb 19, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions

but when you cut him

he gets the rest of the 15 right?
AND… thank you for letting me know of this and frankly that isnt too expensive, only for the fact that he has crapped the bed makes it so… regardless, maybe we could give him another year… but I can ee him being cut during camp if that occurs

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by killascript on Feb 19, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

He doesnot have all the physical tools… he is too small and does not appear to be athletic enough, or simply have the football instincts to be even serviceable on any team

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by killascript on Feb 19, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions

it is remotely possible that he has upside

but i hardly think that having aaron maybin on this roster is a solid argument against drafting von miller.
and for the record if i were a betting man id put it all against him

by boomsauce on Feb 19, 2011 12:42 AM EST reply actions

I would not give up on Maybin yet...

There’s no reason to throw him out the door… just yet.

we have Merriman, Kelsay, Moats and possibly Coleman at OLB… we have starters and depth. Now Id give him the chance to crack that four.

I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.

I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.

by John Paul King Baron on Feb 19, 2011 1:35 AM EST reply actions

Agreed. He’s also young. But if he doesn’t show improvement after this season…..

by maestro110584 on Feb 19, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions

oh if he dont make the starting lineup by the end of the season... cut him.

I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.

I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.

by John Paul King Baron on Feb 19, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions

Maybin should at least be on Special Teams. I mean, come on, get some bang for the buck.

by JapanJohn on Feb 19, 2011 2:24 AM EST reply actions

Maybin’s a one trick pony…and the one trick sucks.

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 19, 2011 2:56 AM EST reply actions

If that one trick goofy hairstyles?

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by Kurupt on Feb 21, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions

That's the one! He's the "hair of the franchise!"

(as opposed to face) ;)

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 21, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions

AGREED

Glad to see someone else saying what Bills fans seem to not be allowed to say. Maybin is still physically impressive and seems like he’s committed to working at improving. When you get a wake up call like he got this past season, it can take a long time to adjust. I think he can still do that. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt because of where he was drafted, and it would be great if we had Brian Orakpo instead, but those things don’t mean he can’t get better.

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by Sawyer in Boston on Feb 19, 2011 5:47 AM EST reply actions

I don't think we cut Maybin at all

We have kept John McCargo for the length of his contract, and i think he is a bigger bust than Maybin.

So I guess he sticks around for another 3 years and we might get some production from him at some point.

I just hope he gets bigger and stronger and sees the field more, even if it is just on special teams

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by gregeng on Feb 19, 2011 6:22 AM EST reply actions

I don’t think anyone is giving up on him completely. There’s no reason to. I still think his biggest problem is in his head. The potential is still there, but something is just not connecting. I’m not sure how you fix that. But I think that it’s still pretty early in the guys carreer to say that he’ll never amount to much. I don’t know that he’ll be Harrison, but most guys in the league aren’t. He IS paid an awful lot for below average right now, though.

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by bflogrl on Feb 19, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions

No and 3 reasons why

6’4" 230 lbs is too light to play 3-4 OLB.
He has not committed himself to learn the D – sits out games as a result.
Spending too much time and effort blowing his $14mm gift from Dick Jauron – the only one who wanted him

His sponsor is gone and he showed he doesnt want it bad enough – cut him please and let him and Vernon Gholston go party with strippers

by freddyjj on Feb 19, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions

so you two are friends?

Bills have him listed at 6-4 250
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Aaron-Maybin/155045d6-7d6b-46bf-957b-676c5668d804

he has a reputation for being one of the hardest workers on the sidelines from what i have read, he just cannot grasp the concepts.

what have you read/seen that suggests he is blowing his money?

Please have a valid argument if you are going to tear down anybody, a player or not. your nonsensical post just hurts your credibility.

by NHBillzFan on Feb 19, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions

hes not 250

in my opinion based on the eyeball test.

Im willing to believe in Maybin if he can commit himself to bulking up this season to 260. I think he looks smaller than Poz out there so hes at least below 238-240 in my opinion. One of the reasons I like having Merriman here is that guys like Moats and Merriman will be able to get in on his weight lifting routine and diet and hopefully it will help Maybin bulk up into a stronger LB.

I think he prizes his speed so much hes been afraid to bulk up and lose it.

Lets just hope that Merriman doesnt introduce a desperate Maybin to some substances. I dont think he will. Most guys who juice up do it as a supplement to the fact that they are already gym rats who know exactly how to bulk up the way they want to. If there is an off-season to get big for Maybin its now with Merriman around.

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by poz on Feb 19, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions

if there's a lockout

NFL substance abuse goes out the window. i for one have my fingers crossed that merriman and maybin are on roid cycles together at home in maryland in that scenario

by boomsauce on Feb 19, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions

Isn’t there strength and conditioning coaches for this. I doubt that other players will have an impact on workout routines… Maybe work ethic but not their routines.

by tremblay52 on Feb 19, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions

Don't think his weight lifting is the problem.

I don’t think he’s got the body type to bulk up much more. He’s a lean long muscle body type, which is good for receivers not OLB’s or DE’s. Guys with that body type are not usually strong but really ripped and have fast twitched muscles. In college against inferior competition Maybin got away with it but the NFL guys are too good and too strong.

I think the Bills did not do there due dilligence on Maybin, sorry but thats my opinion. I really hope he proves us all wrong and I look stupid for saying this.

by ManitobaBillsFan on Feb 19, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions

Good Job Fernando

I voted YES but in fact I would have liked a third option, something like:
I don’t know yet but I haven’t lost complete hope. I think we need to give him one last year.

I fully agree with your point about Merriman possibly being a factor in his development. I disagree with the Von Miller statement only because you draft the best player available to you and if it means that you are stacking players at a position then so be it. That being said, I prefer Peterson or Gabbert at #3 and for sure one of them should be there.

For me there are two aspects to BUST: If we let the player go and he becomes successful somewhere else then our front office decision making is BUST, like with Greer or Jim Leonhard – two very bad decisions IMO. The other aspect is that the player is actually bad and will never amount to anything, then letting him go makes sense. I do not think that after only one year in Gailey’s system that we can say that Maybin is a Bust, we honestly do not know yet. The odds of him actually becoming a good player at some point are still fairly high. He was a 1 year wonder so he was just an immature kid. His physical abilities haven’t changed so his potential is still there.

I don’t think we can afford to not give him one more year. We are so deprived of physical talent on this team, how can we justify letting someone with so much potential upside walk before we’ve given him a chance to mature a bit and get into the groove of the Gailey system.

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by keysh67 on Feb 19, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions

Last chance 2011

I admit – I didnt really follow draft options in the past or actually until I found this Sight :). When we picked him up – I thought we had a potential second coming of Bennett. Lo and behold – I was also hopefull that McCargo was a D line stud… Enough flaunting my previous excessive cerebral failures. I think we give him 1 more pre-season – play him on special teams and heavily on D ( try to school him up) and see if he can pull hes weight. I can support youth – needing a mentor – incentive, But I for one can’t abide a multi-million dollar epic fail. We’ve had to many… If I understand correctly he can be cut prior to the first Reg. season game without financial compensation, “my be very wrong on that tho” – Be nice to see him get it together – not much for ragging on guys who struggle -but with fellas that can’t do the job – All I can say is “sorry – didnt work out”. Just cant envision riding the bench at work, then being fired and walking away a multi-millionaire. Dam – retired by 24 -

by Xebache on Feb 19, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions

Watch James Harrison numbers in his first years. He was a bust. But at some time in his carreer, BOOM!

Yes, but there is only one James Harrison- there are countless others who are like Maybin that never "BOOM"ed. We just don’t know their names because of their lower draft status’.

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by freddy22 on Feb 19, 2011 2:51 PM EST reply actions

With our luck he’ll probably “blossom” in the last year of his contract or just after he gets cut.

by Bill Frank on Feb 19, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions

Exactly

My thought as well.

And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!

by buffalobacker on Feb 19, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions

The potential of him being a great player is there. The kid is 23 years old. Give him a chance to develop and grow.

by tremblay52 on Feb 19, 2011 7:10 PM EST reply actions

Chance

He’s had chances(two yrs.) Let him pay Buffalo so we aren’t burdened with paying him for nothing but promises of development and growth. What a poor pick by previous regime. Not Maybins fault he was picked. Its his fault he hasn’t shown any improvement and can’t even crack starting line up. We don’t have talent enough as it is let alone develop a project player with supposed upside etc. Buffalo will probably cut him loose just when he “blossoms” and look stupid in the process. Like said above.

And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!

by buffalobacker on Feb 19, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions

Isin’t most of his contract guaranteed anyway? He’ll get paid by the Bills even if we’d cut him the only thing the Bills would gain by cutting him is a roster spot!

by tremblay52 on Feb 21, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions

Trade him to Cleveland!

Okay, that’s all I got right now. I’m not saying he’s done, but he’s on the outside looking in with Chan Gailey. He’s made that fairly clear. It’s pretty sad that he hasn’t made any progress in two years. If anything, he’s going backwards into minor league territory.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 19, 2011 8:49 PM EST reply actions

Voted NO

But that can change to a YES, only if he bulks up. Watching Terrell Suggs of Bmore reminds me of what Maybin lacks. The two are comparable in terms of speed, but what Aaron lacks, Suggs has. And that’s lower body girth/strength.

Until Aaron builds this, then I don’t think he stands a chance in the CFL, let alone the NFL. The kid needs some serious weight gain.

by DJ O on Feb 19, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions

Bottom Line

That and a thousand other reasons why Maybin isn’t succeeding in the NFL. Bottom line is his negs. out weigh his positives. So tired of the “high ceiling” or “great potenial” and don’t forget his “athleticism”. Ooops, almost forgot his “youth”! Drop this kid and move forward with Nix and Chan’s plan. Let the Juaron era and his failures end soon please. Let Maybin flourish elsewhere if thats what cutting loose of him means. He represents what was wrong with last regime. Bye-bye.

And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!

by buffalobacker on Feb 19, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

Give Up?

OBD has done everything but give-up on Maybin. How’s that worked out to date? If you gotta ask its probable he’s more a liability than a asset, now or future.

And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!

by buffalobacker on Feb 19, 2011 11:52 PM EST reply actions

He's not even 23 years old yet

Great conversation on this. A lot of opinions though and not as many facts as I’d like to see.

2 defensive coordinators in 2 years. How good is Edwards at DC? 28th in the league that is how good and 32nd against the run. Those are facts not opinions.

Also did anyone see Maybin line up over anything but a left tackle this year in a four point stance? I’m sure he did a time or two but I didn’t see it. Not once did I see him stand up, move along the line and blitz from the stand up position at a surprise location (see use of Matthews in GB).

If Maybin was a QB we would give him the 2 coordinators in 2 years pass. If he were a WR we would five him the three year development pass like Moulds and Johnson. So why run the kid out of town when he’s not even 23 years old?

I love Arthur Moats but 3 sacks in 7+ games does not make other DEs expendable.
Von Miller 6’3 237. Isn’t he the same size? I like Von Miller but not why most people do. If we pick Von Miller it is to cover the tight end as much as rushing the passer. He’s one of the best in the draft and the Bills were toasted by TEs this season.

OK my last point and I’m not sure even if anyone can validate it. If you can, go back to this year’s Washington preseason game. Watch the spin move he puts on the LT. It was either a sack or a hurry. If you can find the clip please post it. After seeing it, tell me that is not something to work with and that you have seen a better spin move from any Bills player since Bruce Smith. Granted it’s just one move in one preseason game. But it’s a flash and one I think should be cultivated.

Apologies for being all over the map but I’m excited to hear some reactions.

by buffalostu2 on Feb 20, 2011 6:59 PM EST reply actions

You Said It

Alot of players in preseason look like All Pro’s because its preseason. Maybin is simply not living up to expectations and he’s still on Bill’s roster so OBD hasn’t quite thrown in towel. If he was employed by me I’d be rather unhappy with results and would probably cut my losses regardless of his age. Like his age is a excuse? Not to me. What? Hes to young to play ball? Please. Everything he needed to learn he learned in kindergarten. :)

And Buffalo selects "God only knows" in rd. 1 pick 3. Bank on it!

by buffalobacker on Feb 20, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions

How good is Edwards at DC? 28th in the league that is how good and 32nd against the run.

So the Bills have a bad D and Maybin STILL could get on the field…hell he couldn’t even stay active. That can’t all be on the DC.

If Maybin was a QB we would give him the 2 coordinators in 2 years pass.

Maybe…maybe not. How many top ten picks as a QB can’t hold down the 3rd spot after two years and are still on the roster of the team that drafted him?

If he were a WR we would five him the three year development pass

Hardy didn’t get 5 years

I love Arthur Moats but 3 sacks in 7+ games does not make other DEs expendable.

Who said that? And didn’t Maybin play mostly OLB?

If we pick Von Miller it is to cover the tight end as much as rushing

Agreed…we need someone to do both. Von Miller is not my favorite at #3, but if he is the pick….so be it.

go back to this year’s Washington preseason game.

Edwards was our starting QB in the preseason. How did that work out for us? Preseason is not the regular season. And what we need to see from Maybin is improvement. Not only did Maybin fail to improve, but he got worse. If he doesn’t get better this off season, it is time to pull the plug.

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by Joe P. on Feb 20, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions