First 3 rounds - no QB

by keysh67 on Mar 10, 2011 11:36 PM EST

Today the articles surrounding what Kipper said and his logic made sense. The Bills are in less of a hurry this year than last year. They had ample chances to draft either Tebow, McCoy or Claussen and chose to pass. Now that Fitz has shown some abilities in the Gailey system, I wonder if it would be wise to waste one of top 2 picks on a guy with question marks.

Next year there will be even better quality at the top with both Luck & Pryor coming out. I actually am silently hoping for Luck to slip next year with his new coaching staff so that maybe , just maybe he might slip to the middle. Pryor looks like a much better version of Newton, so I would not be too upset if we waited another year before addressing the position.

First Round options

Patrick Peterson

Marcel Dareus

Bowers

2nd Round: Marcus Canon (RT)

3rd Round: Kelvin Sheppard (ILB) or Casey Mathews (ILB)

4th Round: Virgil Green (TE)

When I consider that we could walk away with Peterson, Canon, Mathews & Green - I'm easily convinced that it would be to our advantage to wait until 2012 to address the QB position. There will be a few former #1s available to backup our friend Fitz, guys like Carr or Smith or Leinart or even guys like Wallace or even another very possible candidate: Tyler Thigpen. Because there are a few top QBs coming out next year, I'd take my chances and really improve the team this year with 4 great solid picks!

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to much focus on need and not so much on BPA.

Solid picks, but aren’t there BPA other than the ones you listed. A.J. Green, Robert Quinn are two that could be mixed into that list real easy. Green being the front runner. Quinn’s experience as a wrestler is very intriquing to me as a pass rusher and some one to hold blocks. defensive end on run plays, OLB on pass plays, could probably cover tightends as well. A pretty good and versatile 3-4 options.

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by VanScottM on Mar 10, 2011 11:54 PM EST reply actions

In Round 1, I’ve listed BPAs. Peterson is one of the top 2 guys in the draft and Dareus is in the top 2-4 so please…

As for Rd 2 & 3
I find the line between Need & BPA gets a bit blurred. Cannon for example is definitely a rd2 guy, is #34 a bit high yes it probably is but then again, is the difference between him and the “BPA” that much? Obviously if someone with a rd1 grade would slip to us at #34, like a Pouncey or Carimi or Taylor then you jump all over him. but if the draft goes somewhat scripted like most current Mocks, then I think a guy like Cannon has a lot to offer us. He could easily become a prowbowl RT, he has all the right tools.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 11, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions

According to you, Kiper and McShay maybe

Peterson is one of the top 2 guys in the draft and Dareus is in the top 2-4 so please…

so please what. keysh you should know that this is all hype right now. You listed very good prospects, my point is that you very well could of left off two of the more BPA. We are picking #3 not #5 – #15. Nobody knows including myself who will go and in what order, so please recognize that there are other prospects that might not satisfy need but serve as BPA at #3. Peterson is a stud, but is he the 2nd BPA. Dareus is a stud but is he the 2-4 BPA.

Next week Kiper and McShay will change thier whole line of thinking.

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by VanScottM on Mar 11, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions

VS, c’mon – you are the one that said and I quote “to much focus on need and not so much on BPA”, which clearly implies that my picks were need vs BPA and I feel quite strongly that both guys I had at #3 were BPAs. Do they fill a need? maybe but thats completely besides the point. Peterson is an incredible athlete and he’s as close as you can get to the top defensive player in this years draft.

You keep talking and referring to two individuals for whom i have very little respect. I do not read or watch anything that comes out of them. I watch a ton of college games with the primary focus to evaluate players that I feel will be the top at their respective positions in the draft, so when I write something I am not parroting something i’ve read somewhere else. And when I do read something from elsewhere I’ll mention it in my post.

I personally think that Peterson is the top player in this years draft and more importantly the safest blue chip guy on the board. As for Dareus, I think he’s in the top 2 DTs and itentirely depends on what your team does. I think Fairley is a one trick poney, he’s the perfect fit for a 4-3 but Dareus is the better all around fit for our situation. Regardless, I believe that both those guys are top 5 BPAs.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 11, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions

I'll agree on Peteson as a BPA. Top 5 anyways.

Mainly due to his versatility and special teams availability. He is an it factor, the other two IMO are not, they are need players with high potential.

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by VanScottM on Mar 12, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions

Interesting Idea

If the Bills were not to select a QB round 1-3, I think they could pursue Greg McElroy of Alabama as he had a good senior bowl under Gailey’s coaching. That being said, I think its almost assured that the Bills will grab a QB in round 2 because of the fact that Locker, Kaepernick and Ponder (all of whom could be available at this point) are good quarterbacks that need a year or two to develop and are all mobile QBs, something which Gailey loves.

by DynamicHero22 on Mar 11, 2011 12:03 AM EST reply actions

No Virgil Green... Lance Kendricks

but i totally agree unless of course Ryan Mallett is available in the third.

I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.

I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.

by John Paul King Baron on Mar 11, 2011 12:17 AM EST reply actions

I recall reading, heavily on this board before the last two drafts. Lots of people preach waiting on a QB because “Next years class…” is going to be so much better. Seriously guys, you cannot assume where we’ll be picking next year or who will be in next years draft.

While I hope he stays healthy and awesome it’s possible Luck gets hurt and isn’t the same player… what then? Wait another year to draft a QB? What if the Bills go 8-8 and end up with a mid round pick and miss out on both Luck and Pryor?

If you think there’s a guy that’s going to be a franchise guy you HAVE to draft him. End of debate. Picking this year on who you expect to declare next year and based on where you expect to draft next year seems to be asking for trouble.

by aquias on Mar 11, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions

Agreed.

Before this season, Jake Locker was a “can’t miss” QB. And now he’s projected as a late 1st, early 2nd. There’s no guarantee that next year’s crop of QBs will fare any better between now and then.

by maestro110584 on Mar 11, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions

I like Locker on so many fronts, he’s mature, he’s athletic, he’s loyal and a great leader.
His lack of accuracy worries me a bit. The fact that he didn’t win consistently bothers me also but to a much lesser extent given the crappy team he was on. I love the commitment he had to stay in school to be able to complete his goal, bringing them back to a bowl game.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 11, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions

I totally agree with you

I was going to put up my own mock with a longer fanpost I’ve been anticipating putting up for a while and my first three rounds came out to Robert Quinn, Marcus Cannon and Mark Herzlich.

Lost in all the QB hype is that if the Bills don’t take one early we will be able to fill as many as four potential new starters through the draft alone. Tthere really isn’t any blue chip prospect in this draft and that with a guy like Fitzpatrick in place being coached by Gailey there will be time to wait to get a QB prospect that is truly what we desire. In such an elite defensive top of the draft not taking Quinn or Peterson at 3 would be a crime. Furthermore, we can upgrade at RT, ILB, OLB/CB and even TE in the first four rounds before taking a guy like Greg McElroy in the later fourth early fifth. Give me four guys who can potentially snag starting roles in the first four picks and a developmental QB later.

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by poz on Mar 11, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions

and yes its uncanny how much our mocks are similar

I also have a TE in the fourth before taking McElroy.

Looks like we are on the same page heading into this off-season keysh.

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Mar 11, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

I’d love to see big Marcus in a Bills uniform – he’s the perfect RT for a run-first team (like we should be)
I prefer Peterson to Quinn by a fairly long shot because I am still gun shy after the whole Maybin affair – one year wonders scare me. I’ll admit that he has the size to be successfull at the next level. Still, i’d prefer Peterson or Dareus over quinn.

I’m surprised that you have us taking two OLBs in the first 3 rounds even after we’ve resigned Merriman and from all indications we’re keeping Maybin a bit longer… I believe that Merriman will not only play this year but i also feel that one full season with Maybin, will help Maybin develop into a successful OLB. Anyway you look at it we have a lot of bodies already committed at that position and I doubt that we will add two more. I think we will be addressing the ILB position in the first 3 rounds.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

actually

I have Herzlich moving inside in a 3-4 like ours. I like Herzlich because I think in our 3-4 looks he can play inside and in our 4-3 looks he can play outside. I actually pulled the trigger on Big Marcus over Sheppard in the second hoping Shep would fall to the third (I was doing a kaisertown style mock) and unfortunately lost Shep. I was looking for a guy I thought could provide a guy to take on blockers and get in on run plays for a loss and Herz seemed to be the guy. Plus I love his character. For me Herz would be playing inside in our system so I am definitely with you on grabbing an ILB, probably should have been clearer on that.

As for Marcus Cannon, Im so glad to see someone else talking about him in a Bills uniform. Hes gotten a bit overlooked around here. I love the idea. He is ENORMOUS, and I think would instantly give us a boon in the running game. Hes got the size for a little, quick guy like Spiller to hide behind and then spring for a major gain. You take a guy like Spiller who’s strength is running outside and getting into space and we didnt have the OTs to allow him to do it. Marcus instantly cures us of that, plus hes agile for a man his size. Worst case scenario? If Marcus is better suited to inside at guard in the NFL, which some sources I’ve been checking out have been saying, then we have a great RG to play next to Wood at C. I dont think it will come to that though and think Cannon has all the tools to be an elite RT in the NFL, maybe right off the bat.

As for Peterson, Im a guy who loves Quinn but when the time came to actually make the pick in a mock I found it was so much harder to say no to Peterson and his potential and skill than I would have thought. I have no problem taking him at 3.

All of this discussion points to the fact that the Bills can get so much more in the first four rounds if we dont go QB than if we do. We can even go in the direction of a getting a road grading guard like Moffitt with our first 4th rounder and end up with an OLB/CB, RT, ILB, and RG/TE who can all potentially be DAY ONE starters for a team that needs all the help it can get.

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Mar 11, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 11, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions

Poz

Stop using so many words – confusing for us other drunks :)

That said, I like your post.

Cannon – what’s not to like, position of need, huge individual, fantastic name for a run blocker….

Even is he’s a bum, those facts alone make it worthwhile :)

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by Will G on Mar 11, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions

been saying the same thing

since the end of the season. Think it makes a big difference as well that free agency will be up in the air this year. we don’t even know if we will have one. pick starters this year, next year take the qb when you can even if we have to trade up for him. thanks go bills

by billleve on Mar 11, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

I really liked Phil Loadholt in 2009 when he came out and he was an immediate starter. I think Cannon is the exact same type of guy, very similar. Teams committed to “run-first” must have a road grading type RT and Cannon is exactly that type of guy. Effective play-action is a great way to take pressure off of your QB and when you have guys like Jackson & Spiller in the backfield, you need to be able to leverage them.

Big effective RT = Much improved run game and like you said, gives Spiller some room to do his thing.
Effective TE = Helps in pass protection and if he’s a playmaker it adds another way to slow down the pass rush.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 12, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions

I like Cannon, but

CHIX must be sure that Cannon can play OT at the NFL level. We don’t need anymore Guards. I still think CHIX take a QB in the 2nd, so unless Cannon falls to the 3rd, the Bills will need to have another option in mind. I like Carpenter in the 3rd and Barksdale in the late 3rd or 4th. Barksdale looks like he has better feet….to bad he has a reputation as being a slacker. The guy has 2nd round physical ability.

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3

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by Joe P. on Mar 12, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions

I know you like Kaepernick but I still think we’d be better off taking a guy like Cannon. I’d take Cannon at #34 and then if Kaepernick is available in the 3rd then I’d gladly take him at that point. But I doubt he lasts into the 3rd.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 12, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions

agreed, which is why I would take Kaep in the second

It is much easier to find a RT in the 3rd than a potential franchise QB. What do you think of Carpenter?

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3

The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein

by Joe P. on Mar 12, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t really have an opinion on Carpenter, I haven’t scouted any of his games. The few Alabama games that I saw I was completely in AWE with Dareus that it was hard to focus on anyone else! I will admit that I am also a Mark Ingram fan. I tried watching Carpenter in the final game but was left with absolutely no opinion.

The linemen that impressed me the most were Pouncey, Stefen Wisniewski & to a much lesser extent Carimi. Canon did however catch my attention for his run blocking abilities but he looked a bit slow in passpro

So you think Kaep can develop into something tangible? He reminds me so much of JP Losman it scares me. I’ll admit that I’m intrigued and that I wouldn’t be too upset

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 12, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions

JP had two major issues

He couldn’t read a defense, and he had poor leadership skills/intangibles. Kaep has intangibles in spades. Who knows about his ability to read a defense. I wouldn’t think twice about taking him at #34.

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3

The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein

by Joe P. on Mar 12, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions

I know that you wouldn’t.

I’m sorta on the fence but in the end I don’t think that i’d be upset. I’m just not certain that I’d target him. If Nix likes him enough to take him then I will trust his judgment.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 13, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Is there anymore.....

room on the bandwagon? :-) I just don’t feel an urgent need for a QB. This crop doesn’t excite me all that much. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fitz became another Rich Gannon.

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by Byrdeputt on Mar 11, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

and hell yea there is room on the bandwagon

though I wouldn’t call it one yet. IF there is a franchise QB in this draft then by all means go for it Bills. But like you said, “this crop doesn’t excite me all that much”. I have so many question marks about so many of the QBs. I have always admittedly not been the draft prospect guru compared to other educated Rumblers so obviously my opinion doesnt mean all that much. But personally, Im starting to agree with you. And Im also willing to roll with Fitz. The beauty of having Fitz is that he gives us time to pick the QB we want. He allows us to not have to jump on Newton or Gabbert because we think we have to.

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by poz on Mar 11, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions

Poz...

Just saw your response. Hey gotta agree with all you said. And honestly I truly don’t think their are many

draft prospect guru

s it’s more or an educated crap shoot. I sincerely believe Chan could coach up a 3rd round QB.

by Byrdeputt on Mar 13, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

To Mock or not to Mock...

This is one of those years where there is not a clear cut player that will be picked #1 overall which keeps us draft lovers guessing and 2nd guessing all the way until draft day. Draft 48 days & 2 hours but who is counting…

1-DT/DE Dareus
2-ILB Wilson
3-OT Ijalana

That’s my picks today but surely they will change at least 50 times in the next 6 weeks…

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Tony Montana:

by Goose22 on Mar 11, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions

i could be in love with these picks

by billleve on Mar 11, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

I like your idea

Personally I’m a :

Draft Gabbert at #3, or forget QB completely and load the rest of the team guy.

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by Will G on Mar 11, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions

Wow

Wow people need to give Cam more credit to say Pryor is a better Newton is an insult. Did you Witness what he did last season, he went undefended in the hardest conference in college football winning it all, his first time starting D1. If the Bills are lucky enough to have Newton on the board at 3 they will draft him. I don’t under stand how any true fan would not want Cam at 3.

by LBJ6 on Mar 11, 2011 11:15 PM EST reply actions

Cam Newton is a RB that can throw the ball. He had 280 passing attempts and 264 rushing attempts.
The only reason IMO that he was so successful passing the ball was because teams did not have an answer for him on the ground and at 6’6" 250lbs he was running over LBs – This ain’t going to happen at the next level, I can guarantee it!

I will admit that i am so fed up with the Cam Newton hype that i might have exaggerated on purpose when i said a “much better version” but I do feel that Pryor is superior because he has proven it over multiple years and last year he really showed an immense improvement over 2009. His passing stats are very similar to Cam’s. The difference is that he doesn’t run with the ball every second play. He has the size and mobility that we might be looking for with more experience and less flags.

Regardless, the whole purpose of this post was to underline the fact that we have a great opportunity to really improve our team in this draft if we avoid the temptation of drafting a QB. There are no clear cut “franchise-type” QBs this year and we do not need to reach – Fitzy improved enough to provide us that luxury.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 12, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Golf clap!!

"Adversity is an opportunity for heroism." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 12, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions

Seriously...........

Cam Newton is a RB that can throw the ball. He had 280 passing attempts and 264 rushing attempts.

I had no idea how wrong the NFL combine was until now………………….

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by Montel on Mar 13, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Sorry

Wow i can’t believe “Pryor looks like a much better version of Newton” what the f@#$ were you watching on Saturday, That statement makes this whole article loose credibility. There the same age so even if Pryor has a perfect season win the BCS next season, Cam did it a year younger, year less experience. *the big 10 is garbage

by LBJ6 on Mar 11, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions

Clearly Cam Newton is a great athlete but he can’t read a defense to save his life. Besides the coaching staff wanted to make the line calls, they’d line up and then look back for the play adjustments. He ran 1 out of two attempts. Teams could not stop him, he was bigger than most LBs. The only way to really stop was to bring more guys in the box, which really opened things up for the passing game. Let’s be completely clear here: This guy ain’t no Micheal Vick, he’s nowhere near as fast and there’s no way that he’ll be running as much at the next level. He has not shown me any real QB related skills for the next level. He’s a one trick pony that was extremely successful last year because teams could not stop him from rushing. I’m sorry but I am really not as exited about him as you are. I do not think that he can read a defense and I don’t trust that he ever will. His skill-set is great at the college level but he will struggle mightily at the next level.

Pryor is not as dominant at the College level but I think his skill set can transfer better to the NFL level. He’s more of a passer than Newton is.

People forget that Auburn had the advantage of having a DT with 12 sacks on the year. Opposing teams didn’t have much time before Fairley was in their grill. This was a contributing factor for Auburn’s offensive success, they always were able to run the ball to setup the pass, which played into Newton’s strenghts. IMO Newton will be a lost puppy at the next level and he won’t be able to steal Fitz’s study sheets, he will actually have to spend some serious study time in the film room and I really don’t believe that he can do it. He lacks the humbleness to succeed at the next level, especially given his track record in regards to his study habits.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Mar 12, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs

Keysh67 is right on with his statements about Newton

I still remember flying paper airplanes at One Bills Drive during a game against the Redskins during the strike year... my first Bills game.

I own a Rob Johnson signed jersey, so with that in mind if i like the Bills QB just expect him to fall on a football and break his ribs.

by John Paul King Baron on Mar 13, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions

Terrell Pryor

can’t hold Cam Newton’s jock. Too soft. Too inaccurate. Maybe next season he fixes these things. He’s very athletic, but he doesn’t play as well as Newton.

Matthews is too small. He’s a Jauron type of pick. Scrappy, hard working and will get served. Give me Sheppard. Stocker might be better than Green. Bills WR’s make a receiving TE moot. So get one who can catch, but is a better blocker. At #3 they can’t go wrong. Dareus, Peterson, Fairley, Newton, Miller would all be good go me.

by phaze1 on Mar 12, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions

like the positions but

34 seems like a reach for Cannon as not sure OBD places as much emphasis on RT in April

and Sheppard>Matthews hands down. Matthews is a 4th rounder at best

I would take Dareus in the 1st

by freddyjj on Mar 13, 2011 7:10 AM EDT reply actions

Next five years, no playoffs

We all know that Fitz is a known quantity with average arm strength and erratic accuracy. As games progress and his arm tires, his accuracy wanes. In the later part of the season, he was fluttering balls all over RWS. If we choose to “hitch our wagon” to FItz and not select a QB THIS YEAR, we will not make the playoffs for the next five years. It will take two to three years to groom a QB capable of getting us to the playoffs while our defense is aging.

If we act now, our QB prospect will come of age just as our defense peeks in ability. If we wait one or two years, we will miss our window of opportunity (like the vikings did) and have and have a great defense and a lousy QB. Defenders who can contribute immediately are available every year, franchise QBs are not.

Some say this years class contains no immediate QB starters, but all agree the potential for greatness is there. We can live in the present and gain some, or plan for the future and achieve a lot!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Mar 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions

opinion but respect it

pick the right qb and install in a ready and willing team with intangibles and the playoffs can be had in 1-2 yrs. Look at sanchez and flacco. For every statement made there is an opposite but direct example to prove otherwise. Also greatness is based on productivity and potential doesn’t guarentee it. Want the best team that we can put on the field. This should dictate this and every draft go bills.

by billleve on Mar 13, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions