NFL Live: Buffalo a perfect fit for Cam Newton
by astrazz2 on Mar 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
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Just because Buffalo might be the best place for Cam is making a lot people speculate the Bills will draft him. But I think the most important point is being ignored: is Cam Newton the best fit for the Bills?
To me, this answer is no. During this segment the announcers gave some reasons for why the Bills were a good fit, pretty much everyone about Chan Gailey:
1) Gailey is known as being able to develop mobile QB's
2) Gailey used a pistol formation with Tyler Thigpin to take advantage of his mobility and ability to throw on the run, something they believed would help Newton transition to a pro style offense (gradually improve footwork from under center)
3) Gailey can make a young QB make good decisions and improve their decision making (Kordell Stewart led his team to the AFC championship his first year as a starter- says Gaileys ability to help him make smart decisions was main reason for success)
So let me ask this- which one of those reasons better qualifies Newton to be our next QB than Locker? What is it that Cam Newton does better than Locker exactly? Locker is arguably faster. Locker throws much better on the run. Locker has experience in a pro style offense and taking snaps under center. Locker is a leader.
OK, so he doesn't throw the ball extremely accurate from the pocket. But what has Newton done to show he is a good pocket passer? He really didn't have to make a ton of NFL throws, and he had a much better supporting cast (both WR's and OL) to do so with.
Give Locker a season or two behind Fitz, improve his footwork which will help his accuracy. Teach him to make better decisions in the pocket. When the time comes, let Gailey use his offensive mind to ease Locker into a pro system and play off his strongest skill- throwing on the run.
Let me finish this off by asking this- how long can Newtons ego handle sitting on the bench behind Fitzpatrick? Can the team rally behind a player who will enter the league with the kind of arrogant attitude that Cam has? Locker just seems much more level headed and able to handle the roll as the "apprentice".
Just my thoughts though, I understand that some people will just simply feel Cam is a better QB. Agree to disagree I suppose- I just feel if we can drop down a few slots and grab Locker who is a better fit for Buffalo and not the other way around.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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ESPN would love to see the Bills take Newton
It is a win win for them. If he is good and helps the Bills become relevant again….great story. If he is a bust, they will jump all over the Bills for screwing up another pick. I wouldn’t trust Dilfer or Stink to pick my nose let alone my QB.
Anyone but Cam Newton at #3
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by Joe P. on Mar 29, 2011 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
First off, I’ll say plain and simple I like him better as a prospect. I think his accuracy can be improved with better throwing mechanics, specifically from the waste down. Other than the pocket accuracy, which isn’t exactly Newtons strength either, what is it that is so much better about Newton?
Locker is, in my opinion, better at the following things:
- Throwing on the run (indisputable)
- Faster and is better at deciding when to tuck and run (maybe that is just because Newton was coached to take off rather than make more than 2 reads, maybe it’s not)
- A better leader (more mature) and character fit in Buffalo
- Better mechanics dropping back from under center (which goes along with experience in a pro offense)
I think both QB’s have similar arm strength and throwing mechanics.
i think ur missing the part where locker was (in general) mediocre last season, while newton…. had 50 touchdowns and took home a national championship. theres also this little nugget:
OK, so he doesn’t throw the ball extremely accurate from the pocket
OK, but thats a BIG issue. is locker going to flip some switch and become a much, much better player in the pros than he was in college? possibly i guess, but with newton hes already showed hes an amazing player. you can argue speed, arm strength, ‘pro’ style offense, mechanics all you want, but ultimately when you watch the two guys play football newton is in a world all his own in terms of his abilities on the field
Kordell Stewart is still alive?
And commenting on the NFL? Inconceivable!
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
I think he was hoping that
if he kissed Gailey’s a$$ hard enough, he might get offered a coaching job :-) He would be in charge of making sure Cecil Newton got all of his bribe money without Cam knowing anything about it.
Anyone but Cam Newton at #3
The important thing is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein
He was actually a UFL announcer last year,
I must say Kordell Stewart, was one of the crappiest QBs whoever made the playoffs, he was lucky he had a good D.
Kordell was an interception machine, he really sucked.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 31, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yada, yada, yada
Everyone keeps making excuses for Locker’s poor completion percentage and how “he didn’t have a supporting cast” like other QBs. His performance in the Senior Bowl spoke for itself, he was the most inaccurate of all the QBs there. I’m not making it up or attempting to extrapolate a better performance for him with different receivers. The bottom line is, with a lot of folks looking for him to have a big performance with talent all around him, he did not. His career completion percentage is less than Newton’s two year average (yes i included Blinn college’s inferior receivers in this) and he has yet to win a big game or have a great performance when it was needed.
I agree he hasn’t had to make a lot of “NFL” type throws, but he’s completed a higher percentage of what he was asked to throw than Locker did. If completion percentage doesn’t indicate Newton is a better QB then what does? His team had a better winning record, every win last year was a come from behind victory. If that isn’t leadership, what is?
At what point will people acknowledge Newton’s accomplishments and stop making excuses for Lockers shortcomings. This week Mike Mayock the popular draft guru was quoted as saying ""I had significant questions about Cam Newton. But now, after studying him, I’ve bought into his skill set." Will all Mayock fans follow their idol? inquiring minds want to know!
As for Newton sitting on the bench, he’s done it once already, behind Tebow at Florida and he WILL do it again regardless of who drafts him. Obviously I hope it is the Bills, but time will tell.
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The senior bowl is not a good way to evaluate QB’s. How did Newton look at the combine when he was throwing to WR’s he wasn’t used to? Pretty terrible (while Locker looked very good). Locker was playing in an offense at the senior bowl he had a week to learn, and had one quarter to get into the game. Far from an ideal situation, and he was the QB who was least likely to succeed because it simply wasn’t an offense built around his skills.
As I said, he is NOT an accurate passer from the pocket right now, but I think he has the skills to become one. Didn’t say he was the best immediate starter, I just think he will be the better option down the road.
And I’m not saying Newton isn’t capable of being a leader, but I don’t think he is the right leader for this team. This is a locker room fully behind Fitz right now, and I don’t think Newton will command a lot of respect if he comes in with his large ego.
Your making an assumption, there have been no reports anywhere about Newton having an excessive ego and disrupting lockerroom chemistry.
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by Montel on Mar 30, 2011 3:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah i have to agree
when I read this article, I had to stop and think for a moment because I have never heard that Newton had an excessive ego or disrupted any locker room chemsitry. Also from what I’ve heard is that he is a great leader as well. The top 2 QB’s I want are Cam or Locker. Obv. Cam would cost us a bit more but if he works out fantastic. If we go the Locker route I think we can get Patrick Peterson at 3 still who I am a HUGE fan of.
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by panekattack on Mar 30, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
sure there have
there have been no reports anywhere about Newton having an excessive ego and disrupting lockerroom chemistry.
from ProFootballWeekly’s Cam Newton scouting report:
Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.
…will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM’s job and taint a locker room.
why so serious?
even if he was a good leader at Auburn...
I think its different at the NFL level.. He was by far the most talented player on the team and the star player, and I think in that situation he has the ability to get the team to follow. I just think that as a back-up with a team that has great respect for their starter (Fitz) his ego will rub people the wrong way. Maybe that goes away when he is a starter, maybe it doesn’t. But I don’t think the fact that he has a huge ego is even a debate if you watch him speak.
@ Astrazz2
You assume about Newton’s ego. You don’t know. You couldn’t because you don’t know him any more than Nawrocki does. Read the links I provided below. Particularly the ESPN article that quotes teammates and coaches about Newton’s leadership and work ethic.
Particularly the ESPN article that quotes teammates and coaches about Newton’s leadership and work ethic.
From a purely philosophical point of view, what player is going to speak out against a teammate? If he does, he’ll likely be punished by the coach for violating some team rule.
What coach is going to speak out (publicly) about his player? If he does, he risks losing potential recruits who wont trust the coach. No coach is going to want to risk future recruiting classes because of a beef with a player made public.
Give this a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjdkc14-zwQ
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
@ Neverbeentobuffalo
If you watched Auburn’s games you can see how his teammates followed Newton. It was very obvious.
As far as your philosophical question, a player or coach can speak off the record about anyone. You never heard anything about Newton not being well regarded by those at Auburn.
Seems the media has more issues with him than anyone else. And some fans. If the Bills draft him I hope you don’t cry yourself to sleep. LoL
what player is going to speak out against a teammate? If he does, he’ll likely be punished by the coach for violating some team rule
Miss the Kavicka(sp) Mitchell era here? lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Wow your right, I don’t know Cam Newton… I guess than I can’t say TO is arrogant because I don’t know him either…
I call it like I see it, and to me it looks like Cam Newtons ego couldn’t fit into Ralph Wilson Stadium- yet alone on the sidelines.
TO has also been in the spotlight for the past decade; Cam Newton for not even a year. You can make a reasonable assumption about TO given everything that’s transpired with his teams, qb’s, and media, even if still is an assumption. With Cam Newton, the assumption isn’t as reasonable; simply because you’re making it with much less information. You may call it like you see it but that doesn’t mean what you think you see is anywhere near reality.
Saying all that, you could be absolutely correct about him. Personally, I don’t know what exactly to make of his character. On one hand, you have primary sources (direct quotes from coaches, faculty, teammates, some media who have met him) claiming he’s a hard worker, genuine, humble, and a leader. On the other hand, you have secondary sources (most scouting reports you read online), claiming he’s egotistical, fake, lazy, and a bad teammate. I’m more inclined to believe the primary sources but they probably both have some truth to them.
@ Astrazz2
Yeah, you can’t and be totally accurate. I don’t know you to say anything about you one way or the other and if I did it’s very possible I would be very wrong. So I wouldn’t bother.
Because you call it like you see it doesn’t make your opinion correct. And when you disparage another person’s character without knowing them or even meeting them it makes you look crazy. Like Nolan Nawrocki who admitted today he’s never met Cam Newton. Yet he proceeds to talk about his character. That’s just backwards.
all anyone can ever do...
is call it like they see it… nobody here has ever met cam newton (correct me if i’m wrong), so i’m not saying this is a fact… I’m just saying based on my judge of character the way Newton talks makes me believe he is full of himself.. I don’t really see how my opinion of Newton is any less subjective than yours seeing how both of us don’t know him…
But hey, I guess if opinions are no longer welcome here than that is my mistake.
How?
How can you form a opinion of someones character via what you read? How sad. Like you stated we don’t even know Cam Newton, I’ll stick to his football skills and let people that know him, judge his character.
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by buffalobacker on Mar 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
@ Undee
That was Nawrocki’s opinion. NOT fact. There is a distinct difference.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls1…van&id=5993420
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000…s-to-be-a-star
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000…rs-to-be-issue
Are Newton’s teammates and coaches lying?
Are you serious?
That was a video op ed piece where the speaker voiced his opinion and no facts whatsoever to back it up. Nowacki even made an assumption about events that haven’t happened yet, “will always struggle to win a locker room”. What does he know about locker rooms? LOL
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Nothing
But one man’s biased opinion. Next.
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by buffalobacker on Mar 30, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
As for the senior bowl, Locker was the only QB who struggled the entire week and during the game. The difference between the combine and the senior bowl is, Locker had a week of practice with the same WRs and got worse. His peers improved throughout the week. At the combine, they all started out cold with new receivers.
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by Montel on Mar 30, 2011 3:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Locker didn't have a supporting cast like the other top QBs...
…then what does that say about Kaepernick whose team already plays at a significant recruiting disadvantage to all the other top QBs in the draft and yet still ran one of the most dominant offenses in the game for four years?
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Did Kaepernick play in the Pac-10?
Playing in the WAC and tearing it up mainly on the ground doesn’t quite do it for me.
Well, he did play against Pac-10 teams.
And he beat all of them. Putting up 52 points on New Mexico State is one thing. Putting up 52 points on Cal, like Kaepernick did this season, is another. No Pac-10 team did that to Cal, not even Stanford.
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I like Kaepernick
I think he will be a decent QB in the future, maybe even a franchise QB.
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Everyone keeps making excuses for Locker’s poor completion percentage and how "he didn’t have a supporting cast" like other QBs
And how is that different from the excuses and explainations that people make for Newton’s character issues?
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And how is that different from the excuses and explainations that people make for Newton’s character issues?
Not making excuses for what he did two years ago, simply pointing out the fact that he has not repeated any of those transgressions. The Newton you see today is the opposite to the Newton who left Florida in disgrace. As for character issues, there are positive anecdotes from TWO different colleges. If he did anything negative at either one of those schools it would have come out by now.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
like...
request $200,000 to go to a school? yea i know, that was ALL his father. Cam had NO idea that his father would do that..
I know people are going to get offended that I would even suggest he is not completely innocent… I just don’t buy it. How was Cecil going to convince Cam to go to a school just because they payed him without Cam knowing? Was Cam just supposed to believe his father randomly fell in love with a school? I know its not fact- but I’m just not sold he had nothing to do with it.
I understand how you feel
My statement still holds true, if there were any negative events at either school we would have heard about it by now.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
You mean if there were any hard facts. They can’t prove Cam knew about this, doesn’t change that it happened and we heard plenty of it. It’s kind of hard to know what secrets a father and son share, and I’m sure they weren’t dumb enough to email each other about it. Maybe Cam is innocent, maybe the truth will never come out. Agree to disagree on our opinions of what happened, and apparently on Newton vs. Locker in general.
I’ll never claim to always be right, or even close to it. If the Bills take Cam, I’ll suck it up and trust CHIX.
Funny thing is, there aren’t any rumors floating around either. Usually there’s skeletons SOMEWHERE.
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Skeltons can be paid to stay in their grave and never come out.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 30, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
4 skeltons will be talking about being paid to play at Auburn on HBO....it takes time for these things to come out
Anyone but Cam Newton at #3
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So, we’re essentially saying that the allegations this fall were completely baseless, and Newton gets a pass?
So Locker should get a pass on his accuracy due to bad teammates, right?
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So, we’re essentially saying that the allegations this fall were completely baseless, and Newton gets a pass?
Huh? My statement is that if he did anything negative it would have come out by now. The allegations came out but there is no evidence showing CAM was involved. You can speculate if you wish, but if it doesn’t hold up “in a court of law” then it is the same as having never happened. This is not “giving him a pass” by any means. It is innocent until proven guilty.
Whereas in Lockers case he is always involved in every instance whther he is with familiar or unfamiliar receivers.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
And how is that different from the excuses and explainations that people make for Newton’s character issues?
i would say its hugely different.. not that its ok to make excuses in either case. but lockers accuracy issues are tangible for us, we as fans can see his problems delivering the football first had, making it primary evidence when evaluating locker.
newtons character issues, by contrast, are all second and third hand reports we get from the media. i mean to say that none of us have ever met or gotten to know newton as a person.
im not arguing that excuses should be made for either, im only saying that as casual fans judging a guys on field talents and his off field character are two totally different ball games, since the latter only comes from a secondary source. all we can do (on a site like this) is debate what their limits are as a football player, not as a person; we have to trust whatever judgement buddy and chan make in that regard
by boomsauce on Mar 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As for Newton sitting on the bench, he’s done it once already, behind Tebow at Florida and he WILL do it again regardless of who drafts him.
He’ll what? Run from adversity and the bench to another team?
And I believe we all saw the Nat’l championship game to know enough about Cam. Once the pressures on and he can’t run he’ll start missing his receivers left and right.
Give this a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjdkc14-zwQ
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 30, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And I believe we all saw the Nat’l championship game to know enough about Cam
Really? A single game is going to tell you all you need to know about a guy as a player? I remember people having the same overreaction about Locker vs. Nebraska or Mallett vs. Alabama. These games can certainly point out issues a player needs to improve on but a single game never tells all we need to know about any prospect.
It was more a response to Montel saying we all know what we’re getting out of Locker based on his Senior Bowl performance.
Give this a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjdkc14-zwQ
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And the difference is........
And I believe we all saw the Nat’l championship game to know enough about Cam. Once the pressures on and he can’t run he’ll start missing his receivers left and right.
That was the worst game Newton played all year. But Locker in the Senior Bowl continued the sub par play he had displayed all year.
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All year is an exaggeration. He had a number of average, and some sub par games, but also had some spectacular games. I also don’t think its coincidence that his best games were at the beginning of the year when he was healthy and actually practicing (and against top competition)…
Locker
I haven’t looked at his season closely enough to verify or dispute what your saying, I take you at your word on that. However, I saw an ESPN video where a staffer (former scout) was ripping into Lockers poor play after the first three games of the season and stated if he didn’t turn it around soon he would slide down in the draft. His overall number bear out that he got worse as the season wore on.
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His overall number bear out that he got worse as the season wore on.
Sounds like Ex Bill Trent Edwards…
Locker-The old saying “If it looks like skunk an smells like a skunk, then it is a skunk”.
Are there any players on our team that have similar attributes as Jason Peters. Maybe we can fool Philadelphia and get another first rounder from them.
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I'll preface this by saying that I like Jake Locker
I really do. He’s my number 2 ranked QB. But Newton is an unbelievable athlete-passer combo, physically one of the best prospects in years. If it’s true that Gailey can develop his guy, then why not take the one that could be a superstar for ten years?
I may have scored a hundred points yesterday, but I scored a lot more off the court.
Locker
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have an ATHLETE like Newton on the team but he is definitely not the type of player I would want in the first round for QB. As it was mentioned above, I don’t see Cam sitting back and enjoying working hard. He didn’t even work hard in college (i.e. stealing a laptop, come on man). What makes anyone think he’ll want to sit on the bench with a clipboard and a headset on and learn how to be a QB, I for one do not feel this way. On the other hand, Locker picked a school, stuck it out through the good (okay, maybe not good) and the bad and he got his degree. Not only do I feel that Locker will eventually become a better QB than Newton, he will be a much better person in the long run. Another thing about Newton, it seems that once he signs a deal with a team there will be a few people in his life popping up with their hands out, like his father. I do not see Locker having this distraction and he seems to be a cool-headed guy who will work on his craft and strive to be the best QB he can be.
Also, I don’t see the media or fas being in favor of Newton sitting if we aren’t putting up points.
There are several articles with anecdotes about Newton outworking his teammates at Auburn. If he could handle the distraction of the pay for play scandal and still win the BCS championship, he can certainly deal with giving money to his parents.
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by Montel on Mar 30, 2011 3:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Media Hype vs Fact
I have not bought into any specific QB in this draft, but desire that the Bills select one, if, and only if, CHIX considers him to be the long-term solution at QB. That said, I wonder how many of the opinions expressed in this forum are based on actual fact vs what we have read/heard in the media. With regard to Newton, there is an impression that he is not a hard worker and my question would be, according to whom? I have read where he stayed on campus working on his game while many others frequented larger cities for the night life, and that his teammates at Auburn rallied around him as a result of this hard work. To me, this is more reality than media hype suggesting otherwise. The facts of Locker’s “low” completion percentage are real, whatever the reasons. The facts of Newton’s success are real, whatever the distractions. Since we are not behind the closed doors of the interview rooms, the personal quality of the individuals we are exposed to has been filtered through a journalist’s mindset- just something to keep in mind. The bottom line is that I trust CHIX more than any Bills front office in the past decade. They will make the correct choice.
by dukedoc76 on Mar 30, 2011 5:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m not a big fan of Newton, I think there are many concerns about the computer at Florida and the Pay for Play at Auburn. That said, the guy won a national championship at Blinn College then went to the SEC and went undefeated and won a national championship in one year. I don’t know a ton about the history of Auburn football but I do now that they have not been a powerhouse team in recent years. So lets keep this in perspective, yeah the guy made mistakes in college. He also showed up on an average team (yes I know you can argue this) and led them to the national title the first year he was there. So I think we can safely say he can pick up a new offensive scheme pretty fast, maybe he won’t have to sit behind Fitz to long.
hes a tremendous athlete
and played in a completely different and less complexed offense. running a spread option is much different than an NFL offense, even if its a hybrid offense Gailey’s pistol spread. I don’t know that he can pick that up right away and make good reads, and I think is footwork from under center needs a lot of work
If we draft a QB I hope it isn't Newton
There could be some truth to the ProFootbllWeekly article!! I like Locker but the reports on him are bad about his in pocket accuracy. However inside the pocket he has very good accuracy. So I take it that he can’t handle pressure. Can that be something that good coaching can cure???
or...
Its because when you roll out you naturally drive off your lower body and put your weight behind the throw…
When Locker throws from the pocket he tends to start with a narrow based and stride out too far when he throws, leading to a lot of high passes… It from his baseball experience most likely, and never really had the time to just focus on the basics in college that he has right now. That’s why I think he lit up the combine, and I expect the same from his pro day today.
Of course coaching can cure it
Can that be something that good coaching can cure???
Look how Trent turned out!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
I think there is a reason Mayock has Locker rated above Newton. The sporting news has Kap rated higher than Newton. I wouldn’t touch Newton in the 3rd round let alone with the #3 overall pick.
Look at history of one year wonders at the QB position. Not on Cam’s side.
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Look at history of one year wonders at the QB position. Not on Cam’s side.
Newton played a full season of football in 2009 at Blinn College, and 2010 at Auburn; 1+1=2.
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by NordicBillsfan on Mar 30, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam Newton
No thanks
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IF NIX AND GAILEY
feel like cam is the guy at 3 then im running with him.
by lets go buffalo on Mar 30, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and if...
they feel like Locker is the guy at whatever position they have the chance to take him at?
does your faith in Chan and Nix all the sudden disappear, or are you still running with him?
imma just run with the new regime
and hope they know what there doing. ME PERSONALLY ! Id go with defense at 3 or trade down for more picks. maybe locker would be there in the 2nd ? But honestly it wouldnt surprise me after last years draft if we took aj green.
by lets go buffalo on Mar 30, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
In CHIX I trust, PERIOD.
Not like I have a choice, eh? lol……….
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Ego
You had me till you brought up Cam’s ego. What exactly is wrong with his ego? Stick with football and leave the ego up to OBD to deal with in interviews etc. Kinda tired of the Cam bashing and character issues!
A QB is like a Queen or King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
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Off topic completley..........
But I just HAD to pop over to the Cowboys page, because I hate them so much, and see how they are reacting to Dez Bryant being an idiot.
It is outstanding. And still no comment from Jerruh. Jerruh has to be really pissed that his future golden boy is not so golden.
Lots of drama in Dallas.
Or, am I really off topic? Hmmmmmmmmm. Guess we will find out.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 30, 2011 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
Not off topic.
Marshawn Lynch
Aqib Talib
Dez Bryant
3 reasons why character SHOULD be included when discussing prospects.
Give this a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjdkc14-zwQ
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 30, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure it Should be Considered.
But Lynch is still playing.
But Bryant is still playing.
Talib is something else altogether. But I’m waiting to hear the story before I pass
judgement.
Passing on Newton will either be the Biggest mistake or Best move the Bills make in a while
Newton in my opinion has crazy and unlimited upside. This guy can single handedly take the NFL if he wants. He has that much talent. Locker is horrible. The guy is horribly inaccurate and looks to run way before he ever tries and throws it-and thats coming out of a “pro style offense”. I am not making a case for Newton, I would rather go D-Line with our 3rd pick as I don’t like/trust any of the QB’s with the third pick. But in my opinion Newton can be the best player in the entire NFL if he “wants” to. He has a huge arm, and can make every throw. He is quick if he wants to escape the pocket. He will create fear in the opposition. It will all be up to his work ethic and determination to be good, and frankly I do not trust that, especially if he comes to upstate NY.
Also, don’t start with this pro style bull, Jimmy Clausen was said to be the man and he is horrible. This team needs Winners! and Cam was a winner. Clausen proved last year that the whole “pro style” thing doesn’t mean everything.
I would have to disagree with your assessment of Locker taking off and running at every chance. His line was terrible, and he had to flee the pocket early and often, but in every game I’ve seen it has looked like he makes good reads as to when to head upfield. He is always looking down the field for an open guy when he starts to move, and he is decisive and takes off when he decides to take it down
There is a reason Locker went from the first overall pick to a potential 3rd rounder. The guy has worse completion percentage than any of the QB’s. There is really no reason for it. He consistently made bad throws in the senior bowl. Don’t get me wrong, I like Jake the person, but there are way too many question marks surrounding his accuracy. This guy needs time to develop and maybe he won’t. You just don’t fix your accuracy over night. I can tell you like Locker a lot but there is a reason no one was at his pro day and there is a reason he doesn’t have that many meetings this week. Someone will jump on him probably in the 2nd. But they are getting a very big question mark at the QB position. I can tell you right now, the Bills don’t seem to be interested. They are brought in Newton, and now they are bringing in Ponder and Gabbert. In my opinion Ponder is much better than Locker and would much rather see him be our pick if we decide to go QB later. He is 100X more accurate than Jake.
who cares
all these analysts keep telling us who the team needs and what is the best fit for our team but in reality i think us fans have a better grasp of what our teams needs over these douchebags. they look at all 32 teams and give a broad outlook to the draft and season. we dive in deep and see whats the best for the team.
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