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Baker's Dozen College Blogger Perspective: Cam Newton

This post is part of a continuing series in which we break down 13 2011 NFL Draft prospects - our Baker's Dozen - that should interest the Buffalo Bills. Keep up to date on our Baker's Dozen series here.

Today we have a very special version of our college blogger conversations. We've been talking to fellow SB Nation writers who cover college teams about their top prospects to see if there was anything about their time in college that might be helpful in this draft process. When arriving to Auburn quarterback Cam Newton, let's just say there's plenty of college material to discuss.

We're joined by not one, but two different SB Nation blogs today. Like Newton, we'll start our look back with the University of Florida and end at Auburn. Please help me welcome Michael Maurino, who writes for our Florida blog, Alligator Army, and John Hicks a.k.a "Acid Reign," who writes at our Auburn blog, Track 'Em Tigers.

Newton began his career at Florida, but never lived up to the hype when he arrived. His Gator career was derailed by several problems that took place mostly off the field.

"When Newton came to Florida, he was supposed to be the next Tebow," explains Maurino. "It is also obvious that Newton must have been screwing up, considering how out of place John Brantley was this season for Florida. If Newton lost the backup job to Brantley, in an offense that Brantley was never able to run, he must have been acting up."

Star-divide

Newton faced several serious accusations while in Gainesville that Maurino assumes led to his benching.

"To be fair, Newton was never 'suspended,'" clarified Maurino, "but Urban Meyer liberally used half-game suspensions or 'DNP-coach's decision.' He was found to have stolen another student's laptop. He was also accused of cheating by putting his name on someone else's paper, then turning in a paper he found on the internet as his. How does someone put their name on someone else's paper? Newton apparently went into the professor's mailbox, stole another student's paper, and replaced the title page with his own information."

The electric player we saw in the national championship game was nothing like the player Maurino describes from his time as a Gator.

"I was out of school when Newton was in Gainesville, but from what I've heard, he did not leave much of an impression on people," Maurino says. "Aside from the kid he stole the laptop from and the kid whose term paper Newton tried to use as his own."

After his time at Florida, Newton spent a year at Blinn junior college. Our Auburn blogger, John Hicks, picks up the narrative there.

"Cam transferred to Blinn junior college in Texas, and from all accounts it was a humbling experience. Cam went from being a star in high school in Atlanta, and a quarterback at Florida, to the Texas countryside. The football team's first task at Blinn was to paint the stadium in the Texas heat. In my opinion, the year away from cameras and media attention transformed Cam. He worked at Blinn, becoming a more accurate passer, and carried them to the JUCO title."

After his year at Blinn, Newton was looking to get back into major college football. This is where the allegations of pay-for-play originated. Hicks explains:

"At first, Cam was set to re-join his old Florida offensive coordinator, Dan Mullen, at Mississippi State," Hicks said. "Then he abruptly changed course and signed with Auburn. Your skeptics will point to a pay-for-play bidding war. More objective folk will point to differences in the two programs. You had an MSU team loaded with young one and two star offensive personnel, or an Auburn squad with a veteran o-line with over a hundred starts, and a Top-5 in the nation recruiting class coming in. Which would be a better springboard for the pros?"

Continuing his defense of Newton's transfer to Auburn, Hicks wonders aloud why Newton would have been so hotly prized during this time.

"It's important to note that during the late 2009/early 2010 recruiting period, no one knew that Cam was going to go on to win the Heisman," Hicks points out. "He was an 'athlete' with potential, and only a bit of mop-up-time SEC experience. It wasn't even a given that he was going to start at Auburn."

And what a career he had at Auburn. Heisman Trophy, national championship, and a vault up the draft boards.

"Newton's career at Auburn can best be described as 'bottled lighting,'" opines Hicks. "We've never had an athlete this good in east Alabama, not even Bo Jackson or Charles Barkley. Newton stands alone. We didn't think much of him in his spring game, as he only hit three of eight passes, and didn't run. To be fair, the coaches had him throwing only on late, long yardage downs. The other two QBs were getting first down quick-screen or slant opportunities. I guess we started to take note when Newton sank a couple of long, precision TD bombs against Arkansas State, sandwiched around a 73-yard ad-lib sprint for a TD."

Newton seems to step up in big game after big game in the grueling SEC schedule and in the postseason.

"[Against South Carolina with Auburn down ] Cam pulled off that big scramble and Superman dive from the seven yard line where he landed two yards deep in the end zone," Hicks recalls. "Cam pulled off a 21-foot running broad jump in full pads! There was a tough road game in Kentucky where Cam scored four TDs on the ground in the first half, then carried the last 10 offensive plays of the game to set up the winning field goal. Cam went wild against Arkansas, and led Auburn to 65 points. Cam then rushed for over 200 against LSU's Top 5 defense. Against defending national champ Alabama, Cam led [Auburn] back from a 24-0 deficit. Newton turned in six touchdowns in the SEC title game, and shredded the South Carolina defense for over 400 yards. In the BCS title game, Cam may have looked mortal, throwing one pick and losing one critical fumble late. But even on a 'bad' day, his stats are impressive. Cam hit 20 of 34 passes for 265 yards, two scores and one pick. He added 82 rushing yards on 22 carries. That's 347 yards and two turnovers against a national title defense."

Hicks' favorite memory of Newton was at the SEC title game. I'll let him explain, because it's a pretty good story.

"For me, it was watching him live in the Georgia Dome, in the SEC Championship Game. I worked the graveyard shift the night before, drove to Atlanta on no sleep, and watched the game with friends, tanked up on Rock Star energy drinks," Hicks writes. "Newton hit the checkdown scores. He hit the bombs, including a miracle Hail Mary that went 60 yards in the air. He trucked over Gamecock defenders for two scores. The SEC title game has been played every year for the last 19 years, and no one has ever won it by 39 points before. Newton accounted for six scores, and only one turnover. That whole day was SURREAL!"

His lasting reputation at Auburn will be of a superstar and a great leader.

"He elevated the play of those around him, and those guys will continue to perform at a higher level thanks to playing with Newton," explains Hicks. "Cam takes an equal place with Auburn heroes Pat Sullivan and Bo Jackson."

Off the field, Newton's reputation did a 180 from his time at Florida, where he was charged with several speeding tickets on top of the allegations leveled above.

"Cam kept his nose clean the entire time he was at Auburn," says Hicks. "There's no report of traffic incidents, or partying, or academic troubles. Cam was big on volunteering, at Wright's Mill elementary school, and at other venues. Cam has even done children's cancer ward-type trips since declaring for the NFL Draft. He's always been cheerful and engaging with folks in Auburn, and with the media, since signing with the Tigers. Here again, I think what happened is that Cam re-evaluated his life while he was at Blinn, and became a better person. It is said that when Cam came to Auburn on his official visit, he was more interested in poring over the roster and playbook than going to social events."

We know of the allegations leveled at Cam's father, Cecil Newton, in the pay-for-play scandal. I asked Hicks if Cam's older brother, Jacksonville Jaguars lineman Cecil Newton, Jr., was ever around to help his brother.

"We don't think so, but there was clearly a family member or two around Cam's mother in the SEC Title Game, and the BCS Championship," Hicks said.

Saying he wouldn't bet against Newton at the pro level, Hicks concluded his thoughts by restating his opinion that Newton has moved beyond his character problems when he was younger.

"The biggest thing I'd say is that any character issues seem to be behind him, left in the swamp of Gainesville or the plains of Texas," Hicks concludes. "The way he persevered on the field, and through a ton of controversy, was amazing. He won his coaches and teamates over, and I suspect he'll do the same in the NFL."

Well, that was thorough. If you've made it this far, join me in giving thanks to Michael and John for their in-depth look at Cam Newton's college career. Visit Alligator Army and Track 'Em Tigers for more on Newton, as well as Nick Fairley.

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Pretty solid read thanks.........

It does give a different perspective to think about…………plus its hard to argue with giving of a 2nd or even 3rd chance…….sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders for a person.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 12, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I still dont want him, but it definetely changes my overall perception of him. Hope he succeeds in the NFC.

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by HurricaneJay on Apr 12, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Angles

This kid has so many facets it is unreal. He is more polarizing than a magnet. So many people only see his character down sides and so many people only see his physical upside. I hope nix can sort through this and find out what kind of true person he is. I would love mike vick on the bills right now, and if that is what kind of personal turn around newton has had, the third pick is a bargin for they type of player newton can be.

by Birddin on Apr 12, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

uuuuhhhmmmm

I didn’t think it was possible, but this article makes me want him in Buffalo even less. Of all the info before, nothing makes me question Cam more than this ultimate display of stupidity and arrogance:

Newton apparently went into the professor’s mailbox, stole another student’s paper, and replaced the title page with his own information."

The apologizing tone of some of Auburn accounts really makes me question the bias of the source.

The football team’s first task at Blinn was to paint the stadium in the Texas heat.

I’m sure there’s a place for ‘blistering’ or ‘harrowing’ or ‘bravely’ FTW.

And it’s hard to not feel a bit queasy after reading lines like this:

Cam was big on volunteering, at Wright’s Mill elementary school, and at other venues. Cam has even done children’s cancer ward-type trips since declaring for the NFL Draft.

“Children’s cancer war-type trips?” puuuuuuleeezzeeeee

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

The apologizing tone of some of Auburn accounts really makes me question the bias of the source.

That’s fine and all, but I don’t know why you’re surprised. If Newton were to come to Buffalo and win a championship, you’d be saying a lot of the same things. Kind of like Steelers fans.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’d be saying a lot of the same things

No. I wouldn’t be saying “Cam isnt’ a bad guy! He likes those cancer kids and painted an old Texas plains stadium.”

I might say “glad I was wrong about Cam.” Thanks, though, for comparing me to a Steelers fan. :(

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

so nothing

Cam can do will make mistakes he made when he was 19 go away?

People make mistakes, iv found i always learn the most from mistakes in my life.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad you learned. Some people don’t.

But we are talking about placing the franchise in the hands of a guy who thought he could change the name on a college paper that…let this part sink in for a second………………………………………………………………a fellow classmate had already turned in to the prof.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt that was stupid, really stupid

but i see no conection to that and his ability to be a great NFL player, and a good guy for the community.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he could be a good guy for the community

Yes he could.

So could Marshawn Lynch.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

look at Blount,

the kid had problems and made mistakes, and fell.

he was the best rookie and one of the better RB’s in the league this year.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

risk level not even close

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree, i was not thinking risk

but the fact that he had problems and was overlooked and produced like crazy.

I bet most would take him over Spiller now

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was the best rookie

Best rookie RB or best rookie in general?

RRB i could agree with, but if you meant in general I’d have to think it would be Suh.

Give this a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjdkc14-zwQ

by NordicBillsfan on Apr 12, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

o i agree

i was thinking RB

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

unreal
I’m glad you learned. Some people don’t.

I am not condoning his actions. What’s wrong is wrong. But, on the other hand, what was done in the past should stay in the past if the individual has truly changed. I’m sure if you (or anybody) did something wrong and later learned from your mistakes and made positive strides towards changing you wouldn’t want people to hold that over you either. I don’t know about you but I have made plenty of stupid mistakes just coming out of high school. Heck, even at 30 I still make some pretty dumb ones. Mistakes are bound to happen. However, maturation is a process. But let’s not judge a person by what he or she has done. Let’s listen to their present as much as we have their past.
 
  3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye (Matthew 7:1-5)."

by youngchamp on Apr 12, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's unreal?

I don’t disagree with you, youngchamp, and it’s good to have you make this point, since it’s very relevant. We need to forgive ourselves sometimes and we need to forgive others.

But if we are going to build a case for drafting a guy that will define the Bills for years to come, we need to use available information for our rankings.

I’m not condemning Cam to hell for sinning. I’m saying when I see a display of judgment akin to a toddler, I will easily forgive the toddler. I will not, however, give him the keys to the Buffalo Bills.

  

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I was pretty out of control many moons ago before I joined the Army.
Definitely not a poster boy for good behavior.
But, I was not a possible 1st round pick in the NFL either.
Hmmmmmmmmm……..

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Apr 12, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I like Steelers fans.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope it's just the season

but there are more personally worded phrases than usual around here right now.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this article makes you want him less?

why?

Of all the info before, nothing makes me question Cam more than this ultimate display of stupidity and arrogance:

Well all knew about this before, it has been gone over to the point of nausea here. Im not sure why going over it again would make you want him less than the first million times we talked about him putting his name on another students paper.

I’m sure there’s a place for ‘blistering’ or ‘harrowing’ or ‘bravely’ FTW.

This was nothing more than a fine illustration to help deliver the point that Cam Newton had gone from a glamorous situation to a nobody playing for a school that means nothing in the big picture of professional football and big name athletes. It did happen. Painting fences in the summer heat makes you like him less? Many people will tell you that the four years of college were the most formative years of their lives and defined who they became as adults. During this very formative period, Cam Newton spent a year at Blinn. Im not sure how this makes you like him less. Its just a fact.

"Children’s cancer war-type trips?" puuuuuuleeezzeeeee

Really? Thats your reaction? Im sure Cams work meant a lot to the kids at the schools he volunteered at and made a great difference to the children who he saw at the cancer ward.

The apologizing tone of some of Auburn accounts really makes me question the bias of the source.

Amazing then, that you mention this without mentioning the overtly bitter tone of the Florida blogger, you dont think his statements had anything to do with the best player in college football winning the championship for Auburn instead of his team? Yes, you are right, both sources are biased but its not like your questioning them has uncovered some treachery. They are lead bloggers for fan team sites. They are by nature biased.

Either way, Im not sure how anything in there could make you like him less. All the negative stuff we already knew and all the positive stuff can’t really make him out to be a worse person. If the fact that he did do volunteer work or that an Auburn fan speaks of him in a positive tone is what is bothering you I think this speaks more to how you already feel about Cam Newton than how this piece made you feel about him.

And thats fine, thats why hes a polarizing figure and why so many either love him or hate him.

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Apr 12, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It comes down to this, he didnt succeed at Florida, he cleaned up his act, he succeeded
Amazing then, that you mention this without mentioning the overtly bitter tone of the Florida blogger, you dont think his statements had anything to do with the best player in college football winning the championship for Auburn instead of his team?

Exactly. And my question to all those who despise Newton is this… why havent any of these types of events happened since he was in Florida, quite a long time ago? I cant help but get the sense of a witch-hunt everytime someone rails on how awful he is, its always intangible dislike, which is rarely based in logic, and points about his past.

They are lead bloggers for fan team sites. They are by nature biased.
besides Brian “Objectivity” Galliford, obviously

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by uPitt_BillsFan on Apr 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

besides Brian "Objectivity" Galliford, obviously

Unless of course, we are talking about his latest television obsession haha

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Apr 12, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one can speak an ill word against Lost without incurring my wrath.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian loves Lost so much he actually thought it answered too many questions.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 13, 2011 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

that should be someones sig haha

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by poz on Apr 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to start

a huge discussion, b/c you and I are pretty darn close on where we stand on Cam. But…

1.) No, I absolutely did not know he went into his profs mailbox and did a cover sheet switch-a-roo. There are many styles of cheating, and yes, some are bigger red flags than others. At least the second time he looked online for a paper. There’s stupid and there’s this other level.

2.) Painting a stadium is the most “character-building” image available to make the point? I sure hope not. I hope two a days were 5 BILLION times harder than painting the stadium.

3.) Seriously, Poz. If you think I’m talking about the actual visits, you missed the point. The sentience

Cam has even done children’s cancer ward-type trips since declaring for the NFL Draft
is insulting to a Bills fan who’s honestly trying to figure out who Cam is.

If the fact…that an Auburn fan speaks of him in a positive tone is what is bothering you I think this speaks more to how you already feel about Cam Newton than how this piece made you feel about him.

That’s completely opposite of how it went down. I was pretty neutral on Cam’s character (as we have discussed within the last two weeks.) I went into reading this article expecting to see some nice examples of things I could feel good about if he becomes a Bill. I didn’t see anything but a more asinine account of the cheating I knew about and some flowery embelishments on stale and forced hospital press ops and TV script “hardships.”

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s completely opposite of how it went down. I was pretty neutral on Cam’s character (as we have discussed within the last two weeks.) I went into reading this article expecting to see some nice examples of things I could feel good about if he becomes a Bill. I didn’t see anything but a more asinine account of the cheating I knew about and some flowery embelishments on stale and forced hospital press ops and TV script "hardships."

Ok, fair enough. I know that you and I have mostly been neutral on Cam around here which is why your comments struck me as maybe revealing that you just didnt like him. I guess Im just shocked that this could make you like him less. It hasnt really changed my opinion of him because I thought we knew all this stuff. About the putting his name on another students exam are you saying you didnt know he actually went in and pulled a switch-a-roo? Im guessing then you thought he had paid a student to write it for him or something like that instead?

In regards to the visiting of childrens cancer hospitals do you really think he’ll stop doing this once he’s drafted? I saw that as more he’s going to be a professional athlete and part of that is giving back to communities.

If you say you didnt have your mind up on Cam coming into this article I believe you Undee, you’ve never been a disingenuous poster. I guess im just stuck by how this of all articles could paint him in a negative light – this seemed like his most flaterring one yet.

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Apr 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the truth

shows that I had expectations (bad move on my part…the article is a fine read overall) that an piece like this was going to give me some good reasons to like him more.

Truth is I want to like him. I know I might have to face reality later this month.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truth is I want to like him. I know I might have to face reality later this month.

Crazy isn’t it? After all of this insane discussion we might all have to get behind him.

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Apr 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well. The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting. I could think of worse ways for a franchise to implode. Or less entertaining. :)

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting.

And J2’s quote has finally been dethroned as my sig!

i’m sure i’m going to regret this conversation… but what the hell - J2

by poz on Apr 12, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm honered

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honered

Sounds painful:)

A QB is like a Queen or King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
.

by buffalobacker on Apr 12, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm bonered

I was going to correct it, but it just makes it worse.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

A QB is like a Queen or King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
.

by buffalobacker on Apr 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahhhahahaha

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Apr 12, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

why go in expecting an implode

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree on your first point

Not sure what I was expecting, but after reading that Cam went into a professor’s mailbox, stole another person’s paper and then reattached his cover sheet to it makes the “cheating” thing worse to me.

Like Undee says, there are different ways to cheat….some of the more “harmless” ways would be using the internet, stealing a glance or two at a paper, or if another person willingly shares his paper with you…..but the way Cam did it was more stealing and deceptive than some of the “lessor forms” of cheating.

I was pretty put-off by that description of how the cheating went down. But then again, I’m not a big Cam fan either, so maybe I’m looking for reasons to dislike his character.

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by StroudFanClub on Apr 12, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what i was saying to Undee,

if ya dont like the guy, this will not change your mind, nor do i think they expect it to.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think the painting thing was meant to build his character

but to highlight the fact that he was being grounded and “humbled”.

If you have a heavy opinion on him as you appear to have, than im sure information like this will do little especialy if you take it the wrong way.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think the painting thing was meant to build his character
but to highlight the fact that he was being grounded and "humbled"

Same thing.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

flowery embelishments on stale and forced hospital press ops and TV script "hardships."

His time with kids is far from forced or embellished. There is youtube video of campus TV reporters interviewing Newton and asking him why he volunteers at grade schools. He answered that it was a great way to spend time with kids and one day he hoped to open a business that catered to kids.

The whole cancer ward comment was due to the writers clumsy statement, not Newton having some ulterior motive.

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by Montel on Apr 12, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

I really don’t want to take away from Newton’s attempt to create goodwill. If that’s the case…sorry. It’s commendable that he does it, going through the motions or otherwise.

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh

If we can’t reach consensus on a QB it’s no wonder the “signature bridge” is ten years overdue!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Apr 12, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Newton facing adversity

when it’s self inflicted.
Herzlich faced adversity fighting cancer, Bowers faced adversity when his father passed last year. Aaron Rodgers faced adversity sitting behind a living legend for a couple of years and thriving when his time came.

The only adversity I see Newton faced was going to JUCO. People talk about him facing pressure when being investigated but he just had to do what he did, deny every allegation and hope for the best. He was too good to be suspended.

We shall see what kind of person he will be in the NFL. If we draft him I will hope for the best, I think Gailey and NIx giving their blessing will be enough for me to be supportive of the selection.

by Fixxxer on Apr 12, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

A bad situation isn’t any easier to deal with because it’s your own fault. Either way, he dealt with it about as well as could possibly be expected. It’s important to differentiate between how much of the bad situation was his fault and how he dealt with it, because they are two separate issues.

by perkispower on Apr 12, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again

I see nothing in this article that leads me to believe that Cam Newton has character issues. Speeding tickets? Really? Ok, cheating on the paper and stealing the laptop are bad, but I know plenty of good people who have had moments of weakness especially when they were in college and didn’t quite know what it means to be a man yet. He’s never been in trouble (to my knowledge) for drugs or violence or drinking and driving or sexual assault or anything like that. I don’t buy the character argument. I just don’t buy it. The kid is a winner. Stop hatin.

I still have mixed feelings about drafting him (for the record) due to my confidence in Fitzpatrick and the holes in the defense that need to be plugged. But he’s gonna be a good NFL player wherever he ends up.

by The Adam Bomb on Apr 12, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the way the article is laid out

Shows how Cam possibly moved forward in life as a Man.Changes the way I thought of Him a bit,anyways.Not enough to take Him at 3,but it does change things,not that that would be important to anyone other than me though..I don’t really like any of the QB’s this year at 3,but I think there’s a few developmental guys this year,Cam would be one of them,but not the top one..

by 3nOutNoMore on Apr 12, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I like how you capitalize “Him”. It’s not a grammar error as much as it makes me think you’re talking about God. LOL

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 13, 2011 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the way that better than 80%

Of the posters spell on this blog,You single that out?..Yeah.I’m the one LOL’ing now.No wonder more people don’t get involved.
Ban me if You like,but that’s some petty crap.

by 3nOutNoMore on Apr 13, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um, I think that was meant to be a lighthearted post. No one said anything about banning you.

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by stetzwebs on Apr 13, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa. Someone was waiting for a door to unleash their wrath.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch!

Someone needs a hug! :(

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by buffalobacker on Apr 13, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I came off as critical. With the discussions above calling him somewhat of a messiah figure it flowed in my brain but apparently didn’t translate here. Sorry if you were offended. I meant no disrespect.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

PUMP THE BRAKES

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Cam is there at 3 i really hoome we take him

This team neads more than a Dareus, Peterson or Miller to win it all in this league.

We will certainly get better, but Win it all. The only thing that will get us there is a star at QB, Cam could be that star and if he is, Buffalo will never live down passing on him.

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by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

You really want a spread option QB that had to make one read….and then ran? No thanks. I agree with Charlie Casserly, a former GM when it comes to Cam Newton. He wouldn’t take Newton in the 1st round.

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by nickdaniels on Apr 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Key words “former GM.” Not “currently gainfully employed GM.” :)

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to correct you here, but Casserly is the GM of the NFL Today.

by perkispower on Apr 12, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I am the GM of Buffalo Rumblings.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Rec'd!!

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by Montel on Apr 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my dry sense of humor doesn’t always translate well on these message boards.

At least Norm’s back on TV tonight.

by perkispower on Apr 12, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m the owner and GM of my household. Oh, wait, …….. I’m the “owner” but my wife is Bill Polian.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Apr 12, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me too

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by Montel on Apr 12, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish I was the owner. Bank owns most of this stuff right now. They just allow me to pay interest and live there with their stuff.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 13, 2011 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny like that, isn’t it? We all say we’re home owners, but very few of us ever are.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will be….. some day. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 13, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. 15 years less now, to boot!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Former " by his choice. Never the less, what does that have to with the price of tea in China?

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by nickdaniels on Apr 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My great uncle Bernie wanted me to tell you he thought this was hilarious.

by perkispower on Apr 13, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watch his tape

the guy senses pressure, and keeps his eyes down field many times to make playes with his arm.

Its easy to think thats all he does because he is so good at it.

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by billsoferie on Apr 12, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like someone wasn’t around to see Bo Jackson play if they’re saying Newton was a better athlete.

by Pistol on Apr 12, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

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by buffalobacker on Apr 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thirded

is the juice worth the squeeze?

by Undee on Apr 12, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing. Jackson was frightening.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

For me, the Auburn blogger lost a bit of credibility with this quote:

“We’ve never had an athlete this good in east Alabama, not even Bo Jackson or Charles Barkley. Newton stands alone.”

Bo Jackson was a once in a lifetime player that absolutely destroyed his level of competition and continued to be more athletic than anyone in the NFL. Cam Newton is very similar athletically to Tim Tebow.

This could be my anti-Newton bias kicking in, but I’m still not sold on him.

by shrubz on Apr 12, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Check out Chucky Gruden's show on ESPNU

Its on right now and its pretty good. No, wait, not sure about good, but it is entertaining.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Apr 12, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

So let me get this straight.....the guy who writes for the Auburn Blog loves Newton.....shocking!

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by Joe P. on Apr 12, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

His comments definitely cleared everything up objectively about Newton’s character flaws, definitely nothing to worry about there at all! Glad this debate is finally settled.

by Xaviermw on Apr 12, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. The perspective of a guy who actually watched and covered Newton up close for a year is completely worthless.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worthless.....you said it....I didn't.

I’m just not surprised that an Auburn fan, and he is obviously a fan, likes the QB who lead his team to a National Championship. You have to admit that some of what he says calls into question his objectivity.

In the BCS title game, Cam may have looked mortal, throwing one pick and losing one critical fumble late….

So on a good day, Cam plays like he is immortal……or dare I say, God like? Hahahahahahahhaaha.

“….and those guys will continue to perform at a higher level thanks to playing with Newton,” explains Hicks.

Yeah…..he is not a homer.

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by Joe P. on Apr 12, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you keep bringing up the homer card; forgive me for perhaps putting the word in your mouth, but you’re definitely giving off a “worthless” vibe. I know you’re rather opinionated on this particular subject, but man, it’s another perspective. It’s as much due diligence as we can provide. Aren’t you curious to know what it’d be like to actually have this guy on your team?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with you and him providing the prospective, it just doesn't surprise me that he has a positive impression of Cam.

I think you are trying to read to much into my post. If I wanted to “rip” him for something else, I would :-)

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s calling you to the mat for ripping a guy that praises Newton and then ignoring the guy that rips into him. Both are perspectives and are opposite ends of the spectrum, the fella from Florida gets a pass because he agrees with what you think (or so it seems ;) )

by aquias on Apr 13, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get that.....show me where the Florida guy should be ripped?

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to answer you last question, NO....

Cam being a Bill scares the crap out of me. I’m tired of feeling like we got a 50/50 chance of our first round pick panning out. Can’t OBD just take the obvious can’t miss guy for a change? I will be curious if he goes to the Panthers or some other team.

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Joe, you’re ripping the Auburn blogger for being biased, but fail to do the same for the Florida blogger. Curious as to why. (Well, I think I know why. But I’m asking anyway.)

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 12, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me where he makes statements similiar to the ones I pointed to above

The Auburn guy indirectly calls Newton’s play immortal. The Florida guy says Newton couldn’t beat out a QB who stunk in an offense designed more for Newton. You think those statements are the same?

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it was that Newton couldn’t be out the other guy at Florida. I think it’s that his head was in al the wrong places, and he beat himself out of the job. He never had an opportunity there, and rightfully so.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to argue the validity of the quote...just answering Brian's question.

Here is the quote I was talking about.

“When Newton came to Florida, he was supposed to be the next Tebow,” explains Maurino. “It is also obvious that Newton must have been screwing up, considering how out of place John Brantley was this season for Florida. If Newton lost the backup job to Brantley, in an offense that Brantley was never able to run, he must have been acting up.”

It was easy to go back and find in the relatively short Florida part of the piece ;-)

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess where I became confused is where “screwing up” meant in the football sense. It’s clear he messed up in Florida, but off the field. Brantley didn’t win the job because of Newton’s poor performance (as I understand it, anyway). He won it because Newton was busy being an immature kid.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a good question....one I wish Matt would have asked or explained better if it was asked

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree. If it was in part because of a lack in football ability, that complicates matters quite a bit more.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

"It is also obvious that Newton must have been screwing up, considering how out of place John Brantley was this season for Florida.

Sorry, Joe, but that reeks of the same bias you’re yelling about with the Auburn blogger. And that’s fine. You’re obviously biased one way, and so are the two bloggers in question. Bias isn’t bad.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

The Florida guy was drawing conclusions based on facts. You can disagree or drawn different conclusions, but his statements were not where near the school girl gushing of the Auburn guy.

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida guy sounded like a jilted lover. Just the way I read it. I don’t get the “school girl” vibe you’re getting, either.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.....jilted????? I would say more disappointed....as in Cam didn't peform

Either way, I would have liked to have seen equal “ink” time for both of them.

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got jilted lover too

I thought it came through quite plainly, while the Auburn guy sounded like he just had the best “night” of his life.

Both are biased and thats ok.

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by poz on Apr 13, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course hes a homer. but why does that mean his take on this is meaningless? weve heard so many people rip cam newton who havent had nearly the exposure to him that hicks has. of course he loves newton, but i think its still important to hear first hand from an auburn fanatic about how newton began acting like a different person sometime between leaving florida and arriving at blinn. ultimately this is about as close that we as fans can get to newton and still hear a truthful, from-the-heart kind of interview (this guys clearly biased, but he has nothing to gain by cam newton being drafted high), so of course its relevant to a site like this
the question is whether or not newton started acting like a big boy (for 2 years…) in order to cash in in the NFL, or whether hicks is right and newton really began to question his own attitude and actions during this time period

by boomsauce on Apr 12, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said meaningless

But just like Matt and Brian enjoy a certain degree of access to the Bills…..so to does this guy and college programs tend to be much more punitive to those who don’t tow the company line.

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the guy who writes for the Wisconsin blog loved J.J. Watt. If we asked Galliford about Jim Kelly think he would have a positive response? We’re asking these bloggers about the best players in their programs.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 13, 2011 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed 100%

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Character flaws

like an unforgiving nature?

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by Montel on Apr 12, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Nice

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by buffalobacker on Apr 13, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU FOR POSTING

Anne, your comments are greatly appreciated, we seldom have access to folks who are “on the ground”. While debating back and forth we forget there are people with ulterior motives to do irreparable harm to the persona of these athletes. We would be well served to reserve judgement lest we be judged.

The fact that out of sheer spite someone would poison an old Oak tree is symbolic of the lengths some will go, to harm others either directly or indirectly. I too hope the Bills select Newton and you and your family have an opportunity to see first hand why Buffalo is called “The City of Good Neighbors”.

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by Montel on Apr 12, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty interesting post!

Thanks for your input Ma’am.

Just a quick question though, why did a 56 year old Grandma from Alabama decide yesterday out of the blue to join Bills BR website and comment? Just wondering.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Apr 12, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Reasons for posting

Came across this site while doing a Google search. Like to keep up with how our Auburn guys are doing in the draft Thought I could offer a different perspextive on some things.

by Anne Curtis Davidson on Apr 12, 2011 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Bravo

From a journalism standpoint, very middle of the road and non judgemental. Just present the facts and let the reader decide the opinion. A fine article. Nice job BG on a polarizing subject like Cam.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Apr 13, 2011 5:43 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Definitely one of your better journalistic pieces, where fan loyalty does not come into play.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Apr 13, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t credit me, this is Matt’s.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2011 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where i'm skeptical...

Will his athleticism stand out in the NFL? Once he gets on a field and has to outrun or avoid defenders who are bigger than him and in many cases faster, how will his game develop?

Look at a player like Spiller. I think it’s reasonable to suspect he might not dominate the same way in the NFL.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 13, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it won’t stand out in the same way but that doesn’t mean it won’t stand out. Nobody hits the home run in the big leagues the same way they do in the minors. With Spiller (and Newton), I think they’ll have fewer opportunities and they’ll have to adapt to that, but that doesn’t mean they won’t get any opportunities. I was their at the NE game when Spiller took that kick return all the back. A bunch of the Pats fans around said, “Wow, that guy is the real deal.” It’s all in the perspective.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 13, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aspects of it will. There were a few times (waaaaaaaaaaay too few) where we saw that with Spiller. His speed and agility kept him moving when he should have gone down.

I think with Newton you’ll see the same thing. On occasion he’ll make a play that others can’t because he’s got a bit more strength, mobility, and physicality to him than other QB’s. Will it be every play? No… and if it is then someone hit a monster home run on him.

by aquias on Apr 13, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll need to find a remedy to running head-first more often than not. Defender will be waiting for him to make that mistake.

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