Does it Make Sense for the Bills to take a QB?/ Mind Dump
The draft is almost here and many of us have our own opinions on who the Bills should take, or what guys we think will be great and what guys will be monumental busts. No position is filled with more controversy or fear as quarterback, especially drafting one in the first round. I always hated the posts of people saying "wait until next year, that class will be better or look at how many stars there will be in the next draft". It doesn't make sense to pass on a franchise QB in the hopes of landing another one the next year, especially when we have all seen guys fall from grace most recently Jake Locker and Brian Brohm (both considered top 5 picks if not #1 overall, and both had bad senior years). This post is not like that in any way.
The Bills have had a need for a franchise QB since Kelly retired. They have tried drafting mid round guys like Edwards, traded back into the first for Losman, traded for a vet in Bledsoe, and even traded for a promising young guy in Johnson. None of these plans has worked out for the Bills and the quest to find the next great Bills franchise QB continues.
Currently we have a very fortunate situation. We are picking both 3rd and 34th in this years draft and have an okay starter in Ftiz. He is not great but he also is not horrible he seems to be more of a stop-gap guy who can slow the bleeding and get your team by for a year or two until you draft your franchise QB. The wrench in the mix is his contract which is up after this season (if there is one). So now the question comes in, should the Bills take a QB in this years draft?
If the Bills believe that Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Mallett, Ponder, or Kaepernick are possibly franchise QB's I believe that they have to take one of them regardless who is on the board in the respective round. I always hated it when teams would throw a rookie QB out there right away. Sure there are some success stories like Manning, Flacco, and Matt Ryan. But there are many more horror stories like Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and even Jimmy Clausen. The main difference is those teams who had success with their rookie QB's also had done a good job of building all the other pieces first like the o-line, backfield, WR core, and even a strong defense to support a sputtering offense. The teams who had problems with rookie QB's had questionable lines, and holes at the other core areas along with average-below average defenses.
We all know our Bills defense is not likely to turn around in one year. Also we have a very questionable offensive line that at times has looked okay but certainly did not do many favors for the ground game. This I believe is because our offensive line is just too weak. We have some pieces in place but the reason I believe the passing game was successful is because the offense ran quick short-intermediate routes, meaning Ftiz had to make pre-snap reads and get rid of the ball in just a few seconds. Compare that to offenses that run deep routes like the Colts, Saints, and even the Eagles, their lines have to hold blocks for sometimes over 5-6 seconds (which may not seem like a lot but anyone who has played football before 3-5 seconds can be a long time to hold someone for). This made our Bills offensive line seem okay, and not really all that bad. The ground game showed the lines true weakness of strength however. It seemed like almost on every play our line was getting stopped right at the LOS or pushed back rather than the road graders driving people 4-5 yards down field. This like I said, seemed to be because our line lacked any real size or strength. Teams like the Vikings and Giants have those big guys who can drive their man 4-5 yards down field and open up holes for the runners. That is why CJ Spiller was so ineffective and Freddy Jackson was much more effective. Spiller was not used to running through tight spaces or no holes at all, and Freddy is the best in the league at making something out of nothing.
So what does all this mean? Well I think the time is now for the Bills to take a QB, whether it be in round 1 or 2. Fitz may not be back after next year and I hate the idea of throwing a rookie QB out there when our line is questionable and defense is weak. We are in the perfect situation to let a guy sit and learn for a year, develop him and ease him into the game. Also if we wait until next year we may end up losing Fitz because he may prefer to sign with a team that wants him long-term or we may end up having to overpay him just so we aren't forced to start a rookie. Another reason I believe we should take a QB is there is no guarantee where we will pick next year. I believe we will improve slightly meaning we fall back a few picks in the draft. A franchise QB may certainly be there or we may end up in a situation much like 04 when the top 3 guys were all selected before we had a chance to pick (Rivers, Manning, Rothlesbergr) and we get stuck reaching for a guy who we shouldnt have like Losman. I think it is smart for the Bills to go QB at 3 or 34 and groom their guy rather than risk waiting another year.
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Of course
if the Bills don’t view any of these guys as franchise QB’s or the guy they want is picked then they shouldn’t bother taking a QB they don’t believe in. I just think it makes the most sense to get a QB now while Fitz is still here rather than hope to retain Fitz or risk starting a rookie
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
other
they should take one if and only if they see him as their franchise QB. dont pick a QB u dont like just to take one
amen
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Apr 13, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that right above your comment
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
In the 3rd or 4th...
…QBs such Dalton, McElroy, Devlin, and others may likely still be available. I say go DL/LB or RT in the first two rounds. I’m on the fence on whether drafting TE Rudolph in the 2nd is a good idea or not.
I just not a big enough fan of any QB in this draft to use one of the first two picks on them, so I voted ‘Other’.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Apr 13, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
That's fine
and I understand, I just don’t see any of those QB’s as being franchise guys either, so it would be a waste of pick and time to me then.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Your argument up to the last paragraph
Does not tie into your recommendation of going QB. Draft big guys, fix the OLine and Defensive front 7 and take Dalton or Kaepernick at top of the 3rd
It is easier to turn the lines around than fix QB. No QB drafted this year will start the season as their teams starter
It certainly does
I said some teams have had success STARTING a rookie right away because they had all the other situations set. I don’t see the Bills o line situation being set after this year and I also don’t see the defense being set after this year. So the point is to take a rookie this year and let him sit and learn for a year before starting him, rather than drafting one next year and throwing him into the lions den as a rookie much like Jimmy Clausen this year.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
If we get an RT and RG this year we will be set
I belive they have the RG in Urbik already so RT is only mssing pasrt of Oline if Woods goes to C
Old school
You ain’t gonna win many games if you can’t stop the run, presure the qb
Or if your qb is lyeing on his back!
Now I don’t recall who said it, but it makes more scence to me than this post.
I have been saying that all alon
Games are won in the trenches
go QB if "franchise guy is there"
Look at the great OL and DL in the league. They are filled with players drafted in all rounds not just the top of the draft. Sure they have at least 1 stud taken in the 1st round, but majority of them were taken in later rounds. IE Kyle Williams and Jared Allen for a few examples.
To many people get caught up in take this position here and that position there. Just pick the most talented guy you think will pan out when its your time to hand in the card. To plan the draft strategy around the position by round is foolish, you will always end up with a reach and or poor pick. Gotta be willing to adjust strategy mid stream.
Let the offseason begin
Im in it to win it
and i want to see what Cam can do, it is worth the shot.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
I sadly agree with you.
But if Cam is not there, if Buddy was in love with him, then I don’t want to touch any of the other QBs. Why do that?
Did anyone watch Fitz COMMAND the offense. After a few weeks of finally being starter?
Fitz already owns the team. He is the leader.
Draft talent to put around him, plug in a few free agents, and the bearded-one will take us there.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Apr 13, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Fitz
certainly did command the offense and was the unquestioned leader in the huddle which are all great things. Sadly his decision making (sometimes) and physical limitations (most of the time) resulted in bad plays that also cost us many games too. I like Fitz, I just don’t view him as a franchise QB.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
See Sig
But please I realize you can win without Queen. My point is Your far better off with a queen and not so good down a queen. Buffalo get a QB, sooner than later.
A QB is like a Queen or King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
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Other
My reason is one that some people may have stated already. Buffalo should take a quarterback if and only if they believe he is their guy at qb for the next 10+ years. If they do not see anyone in that way they better not take one just to take one.
Rodger Goodell to number one draft pick of 2011
"So whats it like to know your not getting paid till next year oh and do not forget to smile while shaking my hand"
Once again
I said that in the very first comment
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Not to sound like a dick but I obviously said this has beens stated already. I stated why I voted other. If its the same as yours great but with all the i said that makes you sound like a dam two year old child. Please grow up its not like i copy and pasted your comment and said this is what i said.
Rodger Goodell to number one draft pick of 2011
"So whats it like to know your not getting paid till next year oh and do not forget to smile while shaking my hand"
whooa
You said other people have stated, not as you stated. And by saying I said it’s just referring to a previous comment that I posted but I’m glad you think I’m glad one of us here can have an actual adult conversation without taking jabs at the other and calling names. Goodluck in life buddy you certainly have some growing up to do.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
It has more to do with the tone in which you wrote the comment in. Yes writing has tone lol.
We all have growing up to do even when your 65 you have to grow up every day. You also have to notice when you keep saying I said that over and over and over it gets really annoying to read. People understood you said it. You also have to understand there is tone in how you type something. When you start off with once again and say I said that in the very first comment it makes it seem like you’re annoyed. Just like when I typed what I typed you felt that I was annoyed by you. It was not a jab at you personally nor did I call you a name , but you have to realize when you just keep saying I said that already and I said that right above. It makes it seem like all your caring about is claiming you said it first. That is something that is immature and that what my comment was meant to project. If you took it personally I’m sorry. It’s ok to say yah I’m with you I said that early or I am with you on this one. The way you have said it makes it sound like you only care that everyone knows you said it first or that you had the first comment both of which are annoying things. Also try and make things that you post flow a little. When things jump around and do not make a whole lot of sense it makes you hard to understand and poeple may not take you very seriously.I am sorry if I rub you the wrong way but I am going to say what I am thinking. My belief has always been if someone does not like my view then oh well. With all this said go bills can not wait to see what this draft class is going to end up like.
Rodger Goodell to number one draft pick of 2011
"So whats it like to know your not getting paid till next year oh and do not forget to smile while shaking my hand"
If Buffalo decides not to take a relevant QB again this draft, then the Buddy Nix/ Chan Gailey pairing begins getting judged objectively on the Ryan Fitzpatrick era beginning this September. Chix passed on drafting a QB last year and instead tried to salvage a hopeless train wreck in Trent Edwards. That plan lasted two games. If Buffalo’s stated confidence in Ryan Fitzpatrick isn’t window dressing and the team passes on all the prospects again, then Fitzpatrick’s their horse and they should be judged accordingly. If Plan B works out like Plan A did, I’m not in favor of giving Chix a crack at Plan C. A year after drafting a kick returner and some developmental defensive lineman, a plan needs to be unfolded from this new regime. If that plan is Ryan Fitzpatrick, so be it. I’m not endorsing it or knocking it, but I will not sit back in October reading about the 2012 QB class. Chix needs to pick their horse now or fade away and let someone else do it.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Apr 14, 2011 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Chix passed on drafting a QB last year
you make it sound like it’s a bad thing….
last years QB class = puke
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Apr 14, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
cont'd
…and tried to salvage a hopeless train wreck in Trent Edwards (bad thing).
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I didn’t include that line because I didn’t want Trent to dominate the discussion.
However, we can easily say that the Bills did well at evaluating QB’s last year having passed on all but 2 of them twice. From what we’ve seen from all those guys that were available the Bills did a good job at evaluating and passing on the QBs. I think that’s a good thing.
So why waste your pick on a guy, especially early picks, that you don’t feel confident in? So they take interior defensive linemen – what’s not to like there.
Then with Edwards – he clearly has “practice talent” and had 3 offensive coordinators in as many years and certainly showed some flashes of good QB play at times so i’m not surprised they went with him. I’m glad they made the decision to cut him as soon as they felt they couldn’t get him over the hump.
I think they handled the QB situation very well last year. I know some people might think – well they started him then canned him in 2 games – how good are they at evaluating. However, if you’ve listened to Nix he said last year was an evaluation year. They evaluated the guys they had to see what they could work with.
This rebuild is going to be painful because they are doing it correctly – as far as I can tell thus far.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Apr 14, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know the final verdict on any of the rookie QBs from last year just like we don’t know the final verdict on Spiller, Troup, and Carrington (pretty pukey themselves as rookies). We do know the final verdict on Edwards (puke). Strike One. If Fitz is the next idea to head their re-build, it’s time to sit back and judge the decision. If he’s not, it’s time for Chix to make a bold move and take a chance on somebody.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
We do know the final verdict on Edwards (puke). Strike One
see – we look at things completely differently. You say strike one – I say first QB evaluated and on to phase 2
If he’s not, it’s time for Chix to make a bold move and take a chance on somebody.
I think they like Fitzpatrick – but certainly not enough to not take a QB if they like one. If they think one of the QBs this year is a franchise QB and he’s still on the board I think they are going to take one. I don’t think Fitzpatrick would stop that.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.

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