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NFL Draft 2011: Final Buffalo Bills Big Boards

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Say it with me, Rumblers: "The 2011 NFL Draft is tomorrow."

Knowing that the next 48-plus hours are going to be rife with rumors and stuffed full of conversations on other topics, I figured I'd take the opportunity this morning to put forth my final big boards for the Buffalo Bills. At minimum, this is something you can bookmark so that when I inevitably look like an idiot years from now, you'll have proof for the masses.

This post will consist of six separate Top 3 boards. The idea is to look at the top of the draft - or at the top of a specific position, as the case may be - from a few different angles. I'd be very curious to see how everyone here fills out their own boards for each of the categories in the comments section.

Bills Top 3: These are the three players that, were I in Buddy Nix's shoes, would be at the top of my board for Buffalo.

1. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama: The massive, versatile and powerful lineman is pretty close to a slam dunk, fits George Edwards' defensive scheme very well, and also happens to address Buffalo's biggest weakness: defending the run.

Star-divide

2. Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M: I think this guy's a lock to become one of the league's most feared pass rushers. He's also an every-down defender because of outstanding athletic ability. Bills fans worried about his size and ability against the run are, I believe, blatantly missing the point with Miller.

3. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU: The draft's best pure athlete, Peterson is also its best defensive playmaker. Like C.J. Spiller a year ago, he may need time to adjust from being a man among boys to being a boy among men. When he gets there, he'll be a shutdown corner.

Top 3 Talents: These are, I believe, the best three prospects on the board, regardless of position.

1. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia: Green is a special, once-in-a-while talent that will change the offense he's drafted to almost immediately. He'll be a star.

2. Peterson: Also a once-in-a-while talent, though he's not as technically polished as Green.

3. Dareus: It's tougher to find clean, top-talent defensive linemen than people think.

Best Bills Fits: Purely from a need and scheme standpoint, I believe these three players fit the Bills nearly perfectly.

1. Cameron Jordan, DE, California: You don't find guys that can play 3-4 end and 4-3 end very often. Buffalo tried to use Dwan Edwards, Spencer Johnson, Marcus Stroud and Alex Carrington in that role a year ago, to no avail. If they plan on staying hybrid long-term, Jordan could really help them out.

2. Dareus: A great fit for 3-4 looks, and can play DT in a 4-3, as well. In 4-3 looks, however, he'd create something of a logjam at the DT position - which really isn't a problem, when you think about it.

3. Miller: Size is such a huge concern for Bills fans, but the team's front seven also lacks speed and athleticism. Miller obviously has a lot of that, and he'd also immediately be the team's best pass rusher.

Worst Bills Fits: The opposite of the list immediately preceding this one. I like all of these players, but don't think they make sense for Buffalo.

1. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn. I'm not worried about Fairley's perceived maturity issues, and think he'll be a star in the NFL. His talents are redundant in Buffalo, however, where the Bills already have a three-tech pass rusher in Kyle Williams.

2. Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri. It would not surprise me if Smith was the first pass rusher beyond Miller off the board. This kid is a monster talent. I just don't think he's athletic enough to play outside linebacker in a 3-4; he's purely a 4-3 end to my eye.

3. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama. Listed here for two reasons. One of them you're inherently aware of. The other? There just aren't many poor fits for the Bills at the top of the draft.

Top 3 Quarterbacks: I probably couldn't get away with a post like this without mentioning everyone's favorite position.

1. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri: Big talent, bigger intangibles. The safest developmental prospect in the draft.

2. Cam Newton, QB, Auburn: Big risk, bigger reward, biggest talent. I wouldn't take him for Buffalo, but I wouldn't be depressed if the team finally gambled on a significant talent at the game's most important position.

3. Jake Locker, QB, Washington: I might take him before Newton, because his talent is also outstanding. I think Locker's got more work to do technically than the two guys ahead of him.

Top 3 Sleepers: Lower-round guys that I think have a great chance to become players.

1. Cedric Thornton, DT, Southern Arkansas: A small-school five-tech end prospect with outstanding strength and just enough athleticism to get by.

2. Alex Wujciak, ILB, Maryland: In a very weak year at linebacker, the tough and productive Wujciak is the type of contact-craving, in-the-box ILB that the Bills need. He could eventually start here.

3. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State: The latest in a long line of converted basketball players trying to make it in football, Thomas is an outstanding athlete with the size and hands to eventually be very productive.

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Good job Brian...

I can’t wait until this whole thing is finished so we can move on with the lock out…DOH!

by Rob B on Apr 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Ahhhhh
“The 2011 NFL Draft is tomorrow.”

I really hope we come away with Dareus tomorrow. I would consider this draft a complete success if somehow he falls to 3. This guy has the potential to be a Suh-type player as a rookie. He helps our D so, so much, against the run and the pass.

If no Dareus I would definitely be happy with Peterson, but I also would like a trade back, still in the top 10, and get an extra 2nd rounder in the process. Lord knows we need more top end talent.

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

2. Alex Wujciak, ILB, Maryland

I saw something maybe a month ago that said something similar (can’t remember who), that mentioned he’d be a thumper type of ILB for a 3-4 team.

What’s the earliest the Bills would likely consider him? The second 4th rounder, and likely 5th or 6th?

by Pistol on Apr 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Saw a lot of Wujciak at UMD. Good player for the Terps but had a reputation on campus as a jerk, and always seemed to be the first player to the bar after a win or a loss, partying like they had just won a bowl game. As a result he had the reputation that he just didn’t care about winning and was only in it for the on-campus fame.

by billsnterps on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dareus is probably a “safer” pick than Miller, but can a great 3-4 DE make as big of an impact over the next 10 years as a great OLB can?

by LetsGoBflo on Apr 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounded like the Parcells philosophy would say to take Von Miller over Dareus.

by Pistol on Apr 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could argue it both ways.

Both have a chance to be dominate.

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you can argue it both ways. Especially if we’re talking about a guy who is going to play 5 tech on first downs. The best 3-4 DEs don’t make the same impact that the best 3-4 OLBs do and I don’t think it’s even close.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Apr 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Im looking at in the eyes of both of them in Buffalo.

I would see Dareus having a better career here. Based on the fact that Dareus can imediatelly help against the run and pass.

I just dont like what I see from Von Miller too, so Im a bit biased. I just dont see Top 3 overall when I watch him.

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What about arguably the Bills best player ever to suit up? Of course I’m talking about number 78 not saying Dareus will be Bruce but he definitely had a huge impact.

by brucesmithistheman on Apr 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a pass rusher though. He has much more in common, both in skill set and his roll on the Bills, with Von Miller than he does to Dareus. If you watch old Bills highlights of Bruce or the defense, Bruce typically lines up outside the OT, like a 4-3 DE would. Watch him explode off the line and run around an OT and Von Miller is way more comparable to Bruce than Dareus.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Apr 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Job

Putting all the pieces of the puzzle together is not easy, but I think this post does it just about as well as it could possibly be done. It’s clear to me that the team will be best off if it goes with the third list — i.e., “Best Fit for the Bills.” It’s almost identical to the first list except for including Cam Jordan in place of Peterson. I suspect that Jordan would indeed make a more significant contribution to our team than Peterson in the coming years, and might also turn out to be the better NFL player in the long run (especially if Peterson’s size eventually relegates him to Safety).

My one point of dissent, which is entirely predictable, is that I would list Colin Kaepernick as the best QB available, followed by Ponder and Locker.

All in all, though, this is far superior to anything that Wes Bunting could have produced!

by Macktruck on Apr 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

100%

Agree with Macktruck on Kaepernick being the best QB available. He will be a franchise QB for the Bill’s for 20yrs. God; I pray for Dareus, then Colin. The rest of our Draft will be fine, heavy on Def, TE, Off line. Go Nix, Go Bills.

by marks4412 on Apr 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Syracuse sleepers

I like both Doug Hogue and Derrell Smith if the Bills can get them in the 4th plus rounds. At the very least either could be backup ILB to provide depth if not start. Both are former running backs and very athletic, although slightly undersized.

by buffalosportsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Neither is big enough to play ILB for our scheme

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed, while both are good players they do not fit our needs

Now, if Bailey fell into the later rounds……

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hype

The draft is such a hype machine. Look at Cam Jordan in this article where many people feel he is the best fit for the Bills, but would never take him because of the hype around Miller and Dareus. Miller and Gabbert benefitted from Luck’s decision to go back and it’s not a draft unless you talk QBs.

by buffalosportsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

But I’d add that I do enjoy the hype machine.

by TrufflePig on Apr 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I do not remember that time, because that time never existed. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha… not even in the first sb nation mock draft back in january?

by TrufflePig on Apr 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miller was fringe top 10 last year before deciding to go back for his senior year – an injury early this year took him off of the radar for a while.

Gabbert has definitely benefited from Luck’s decision but plenty of Rumblers have been waving his flag for months now!

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I do not because when the season was over miller was consider a top 20 prospect in the draft. His senior bowl performance blew up into the top 5 consideration. Gabbert was a surprise and we can say he rised but usually the guys we take 3 months to think is a top 10 prospect teams were considering him that 3 months ago. So theres only hype for us basicly.

Rodger Goodell to number one draft pick of 2011
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by matthew62 on Apr 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ill go so far as to say, that if newton is there at three and we don’t draft him or if we have the choice between miller and dareus and we pick dareus, ill never ever post in this blog again. That is definately one bloggers opinion of what the draft board MIGHT look like, but im CERTAIN its not the one @ OBD. Do agree, locker is the 2nd best QB in this draft, i’d deal three to get him.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Why would you boycot a sweet Bills blog because of a decision you don’t agree with at OBD?!

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, Im just that confident in my info.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m still confused…

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easter is a great time to talk to family members you don’t often see.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well since you're obviously in the know

who’s the newest member of the Bills?

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Newton Miller Dareus.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 27, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gotcha….
Sounds pretty standard.

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha – there it is. :)

Editor-in-Chief, BUFFALO RUMBLINGS®
@BrianGalliford

by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been wondering when you’d come back, Geronimo!

by DCRumbler on Apr 27, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man I hope youre wrong...

Because I would take Dareus over Miller 7 days a week, and twice on Sundays at 1.

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are both terrific prospects and it’s impossible to know now which one will be the greater impact player in the NFL.

by Macktruck on Apr 27, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Bflo

Dareus is a very good talent. Miller is an elite talent. There is only one Miller in the draft. There are other D-linemen in the draft who are good, starting caliber players that can be gotten in the second round. So why take Dareus at #3 over Miller? If the draft was deep in playmaking OLB and light on D-linemen I would say take Dareus and draft an OLB in the 2nd. Supply and demand should tell us, in this particular draft, that a choice between Dareus and Miller means Miller is the smarter selection.

This also plays into my belief that if Nix doesn’t go QB at three he won’t take one in the first three rounds. Look for Stanzi in the fourth or Tyrod Taylor in the 5th/6th round (and either would be a great choice at that point in the draft).

by phaze1 on Apr 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Supply of quality DEs is high and OLBs is low – Miller with 3 and hopefully a quality DE at 34.

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’m told, the Bills’ board goes Newton, then Dareus and Miller (have heard those two names flip-flopped). I made it very clear that this was my opinion.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im obviously exaggerating, but Newton has been on top of the board since Denver traded back into the first round last April.

Another tasty tidbit, im pretty confident in saying, barring a MAJOR steal, so far as QBs go, its Cam or nothing. As explained to me, this is both an example of Buddy’s infatuation / belief in Cam and Buddy/Chan’s faith in Fitzpatrick.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 27, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Buddy/Chan’s faith in Fitzpatrick.

“faith” in him as in they really dont believe in him, or faith in him being a mentor / role model / someone Cam can learn behind?

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, door C: faith in him as the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well then Im confused...

They would take Cam Newton because they have faith in Fitz as our QB?

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or...

If no Cam Newton, then no one else is going to be better than Fitz, so hes our guy?

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills would take Cam Newton because Buddy Nix is convinced he’s the real deal. The Bills might not take any QB other than Newton because Buddy and Chan are convinced that Fitzpatrick is the real deal.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

So the FO’s QB ranking system is: Cam #1, Fitz #2, possibly Ponder, but only if avail at 34, and no other need to have player is there.

Lets Go Buff a lo!!!

by bflo on Apr 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That suggests a rift between Nix and Gailey on their assessment of Newton, with Gailey not really wanting him. Is that what you think is happening?

by Macktruck on Apr 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have not gotten the sense that there is a “rift,” especially, nor even really a difference of opinion.

Editor-in-Chief, BUFFALO RUMBLINGS®
@BrianGalliford

by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have been told, the interest in Ponder is legitimate enough where they’d seriously consider taking him at No. 34 – but he’s not a guy they’d trade up for.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I knew they liked him, but I am glad to hear they have no inclination to pull a Losman for him.

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to weigh the impact or in thus case the jump in talent a 2nd tier qb like Ponder over Fitzpatrick would bring versus the impact of,to name a few,a RT like Carimi or a LB like Ayers or a TE Rudolph would bring. Not to mention the possiblity of NewEngland trade out of the puck before us.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah… friggin Patriots.

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@BrianGalliford

by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, you just spoke for every fan in the AFC, but especially the AFC East Brian

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chances

I get the impression from BN chatter that the chances of a trade down for someone like Locker are slim and none?

by Rocco58 on Apr 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write-up Brian

Have you solidified your Big Board yet?

If you could do the MTD Mock, would you still select Peterson?

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I am really hoping they take Wujack, kid just LOVES to hit people, and at ILB, you need a nut job like that

He also has a pretty outstanding nose for the ball, and I like that in my LBers

If you want some highlights from him, check these videos here, here, and here

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

read that he was always limping around campus during week. Good he can play thru pain, but gotta wonder if he’ll be injury-prone at nfl level

by dgrid on Apr 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a backup ILB who could become a spot starter in say a rotation, he is worth a gamble in the later rounds in my opinion

I only have a few guys who are later round picks I really latch onto and think will be pro studs, and I had Ladarius Webb and TJ Lang as late rounders in prior years whom I thought would be productive, and they have been for their teams (Ravens and Packers).

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got the size we need at ILB

Maybe Batten can be that thumper in time, but we definitely need some more youth, size and depth…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah we need more youth, size, depth and talent at ILB.

hell, bodies would be a big improvement.

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Apr 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and I’m cool w/ Wujciak in later rounds, also Mario Harvey, Marshall ILB. another later-rnd thumper.

by dgrid on Apr 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

watched the highlight vids

and i see a guy who is mainly a “hug” tackler. he hits runners with his chest, wraps up with his arms, and pulls the guy down to the ground instead of hitting low with his shoulder and driving through them. i also saw a lot of arm tackles. i liked his rush ability, but when your main job is tackling you better have good technique. pass.

Is it too much for me to ask that our potential QB of the future is athletic, accurate, and smart? Or at least two of those?

by k8 on Apr 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian, another guy who I like for late in the draft is David Mims from Virginia Union

I have to admit, Wes Bunting put me onto him specifically in his post from April 20th but I had been looking around the later round OTs on the off chance the Bills decide to go looking for a future RT, and I think he could be it. Man is HUGE (6-8 and 330) and he shows some quick feet, and he just mauls people like in this video here where he is playing LT. Your thoughts?

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

isn't it weird.....

how fascinated Bills fans are with low-round/FA picks?

I really bet the boards are buzzing today!

I mean, seeing as how we are only a day-a-way….

;-) gobills!

PodunkO - The great post ender!

by podunkowego on Apr 27, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Lol, its because for some crazy reason our late rounders are the ones whom seem to play, and play well

versus our higher round picks, so I think that is what dives Bills fans interest in the later rounds. Its the only true success we’ve had in recent years it seems!

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats usually all we've got....

Plus its always fun to uncover some sleeper player and then he pans out.

My sleeper is CB Darrin Walls from Notre Dame.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't see much of him while he was playing in college, but his highlights look pretty good, I mean, he looks like he some real speed

and his hands aren’t too bad either, if anyone is wondering on what K is talking about, highlights are here

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats partially why

He does have good speed and lateral quickness, but he’s also experienced and had a very good career. He’s got good size, though a bit light, and is a willing tackler in run support. For a mid to late round pick, we could do much worse. I think he was a captain too.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

All things I like to hear about a DB pick for the later rounds

When you start going into the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds and your looking to pick guys, going with team captains is a good way to help mitigate some of the potential for busting since those guys usually are among the hardest workers, so you don’t need to worry about effort on their part. And their intangibles are also usually pretty solid too.

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

@ Kurupt

Good Sleeper! You might be right on that. Tyrod Taylor is my sleeper. I think he will make a bigger impact than folks are giving him credit for.

by phaze1 on Apr 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going a little closer to home with my sleeper

CB Josh Thomas, Buffalo

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by Calvert on Apr 27, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am confused

I heard it said here that Miller is about 250, but I heard he was 235ish last nite on ESPN, which is it? That would drastically alter my opinion.

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by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

not Kiper, but the other main draft prognosticator said this.

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Edison

by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Todd McShay

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it comes dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Edison

by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He weighed 237 at the Senior Bowl in late January, then 246 at the Combine in late February, and is now said to be in the 255 range.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that seems shockingly fast

was he playing at a below-optimal weight? It’s hard to imagine he’s the same player with 20 extra pounds of weight since the last time we saw him play a down…

I wish there was some obvious pun you could make about Andrew Luck.

by JPH on Apr 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He put up phenomenal athletic numbers at 246 at the Combine. My guess is that’s where a team will ask him to start, weight-wise, and then see if they can’t get him up a few more pounds once he’s in an NFL weight program.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankyou

He looked devastating in the Under Armor drills, I am now angry with McShay, it was obviously a live telecast as they were discussing the injunction in the same breath, did I just zone out on that or did anyone else take note of that as well?

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by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a good thing NFL talent evaluators don’t listen to McShay :)

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by stetzwebs on Apr 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

dam! his weight going up every week!

by dgrid on Apr 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like month.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

more like maybin…

i’m so sorry to do that, but I couldn’t resist. His significant weight gain in the months leading up to the draft force me to draw this comparison.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

255LB....

Didn’t reports about maybin come out b4 the draft about his gaining big-time muscle?

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by podunkowego on Apr 27, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time for a sleeper pick from me............just for the record of course.

Quinton Carter – S – from University of Oklahoma……..

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

my sleepers at a few postions- jah reid OT UCF, Mario Harvey ILB Marshall, Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic,

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by matthew62 on Apr 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice choice. Not sure he is a sleeper but I like his play.

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With pick #244 the Buffalo Bills select Michael Jasper (6'4" 395 lbs) Bethel University.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Apr 27, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's been talking about him?

He’s a 3-4 round guy………….so it’s not like he’s going to be one of the top 75 players in the draft.

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 27, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

miller to denver rumors.....

brian, I checked denver’s (rumbler) site and didn’t see any von miller talk there.

it is odd that the espn guy said he goin’ there…

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by podunkowego on Apr 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yah I was wathcing sports center and a guy just said that miller to denver wouldnt be a good pick because he does not fit the 4-3 that they are playing their. THat it is either dareus or peterson at number 2 the first being more likly

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by matthew62 on Apr 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bronco fans are definiely talking Miller

Not all, or maybe even a simple majority, but living in Denver as I do, the Von Miller talk has increased as of late. I really hope Newton goes first, then Dareus, as Miller is my personal favorite of the supposed top three on the OBD big board.

by buffaloparks on Apr 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Most of the radio guys out here want Dareus but the is definitely support for Miller – and Peterson as well.

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by dnvrBillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which scenario would you prefer?

The Bills front office decide Cam Newton is their guy, take him at 3 overall and he becomes another draft bust.

or

The Bill front office decide Cam Newton isn’t their guy, pass on him at 3 over all and he becomes a pro bowl talent by year two and a superbowl QB by year five.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The first one.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually prefer the second one, because in that scenario, we still get another player at three overall.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’ve been there done that (1st scenario) too many times

by dgrid on Apr 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither the one where we draft him and by year five he wins a superbowl lol or we pass and he busts.

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by matthew62 on Apr 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to look at the possibility of a decision from both the success and failure perspective.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know but it does not mean i prefer either one of those scenarios. Least the first one bills took a risk.

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by matthew62 on Apr 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, these two scenarios are “what happens if the decision fails” scenarios.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least the second one, we still got another player and not another first round bust.

I would rather have a different player than be able to say “at least we took a risk”.

I don’t want risks, I want players.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yup
I would rather have a different player than be able to say "at least we took a risk".

by Undee on Apr 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah but we need to take a risk eventually to get out of the cellar of the nfl otherwise we will stay here forever.

Rodger Goodell to number one draft pick of 2011
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by matthew62 on Apr 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of question is that?

Why would anybody prefer one of those?

At least in the first one, they’d be trying to get their franchise QB.

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by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

@Kurupt

agreed. You can’t be scared to make the move. If they believe he’s a franchise guy at the top of the draft I can’t fault them for taking him. Sure fans will go nuts if he busts, but that’s hindsight.

by buffalosportsfan on Apr 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because we’ve been talking draft for months now and that is the “better of two evils” scenario when it comes to taking a “very risky gamble” on a very talented player.

That question has to be asked amongst the Bill’s brass, so why not ask it here?

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess it depends on who we get instead…do they become a star?

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by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not. But you assume it would be a significantly less risky player.

by Slick Shifty on Apr 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am not qualified to answer then.

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by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take option 3

The Bills front office decides Cam Newton isn’t their guy, pass on him at 3rd overall and watch him have a VY or Leaf-style meltdown for whoever takes him. I think that option is far more realistic than the above two.

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by Calvert on Apr 27, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO

I don’t buy the Miller to Denver pick, just end of days smoke. Miller or Newton will be the Bills pick if they stay at 3. And Locker or CJ if they get a boatload to move down.

by Rocco58 on Apr 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Almost forgot to say it with you
“The 2011 NFL Draft is tomorrow.”

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by HurricaneJay on Apr 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If we dnt go QB in the first 2 rounds

I would love tyrod Taylor in the third. The guy would flourish in chan gaileys offense n ran a 4.4 40 n has a nice arm to go with tht. I’m actually surprised no1 has brought him up in the developmental qb talk.

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1. patrick peterson
2. aj green
3. marcell dareus

by PrinceAli on Apr 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Brian, we have two key differences of opinion for the early part of the draft, but that’s it.

The first is on Dareus. I’m pretty sure we mostly agree on Dareus the player, but I disagree philosophically about taking Dareus. I just don’t buy that a player of Dareus’ style and skill set, playing five tech on first downs and not be a true pass rusher on obvious pass downs (more of a bull rusher and clean up sack type) is worth a pick in the top five. Personally, I’d rather have the obvious Miller and Peterson, as well as a QB (definitely Gabbert, maybe even Locker or Newton) or even AJ Green. Not that you disagree with my overall philosophy of building through core positions, but I guess we just disagree on how core a player like Dareus is.

The 2nd is I think I’m a little more willing to roll the dice on a QB. I’m guessing your more of a 50/50 risk taker on QBs where I’d take a one in three shot or even one in four or one in five shot on somebody being elite.

i’m a little surprised to see Mark Ingram in the poor scheme fit with players (maybe they’re too far down your draft board to both with?) like Ryan Kerrigan, Corey Luiget or maybe Aaron Williams if he’s too slow to play CB, I think Marvin Austin is a really poor scheme fit too, even though you’ve got him high on your board.

I love your sleepers. To add a few, I like Citadel CB, Cortez Allen. HB/FB/TE/WR Charles Clay of Tulsa. A popular sleeper around here in UCLA DE/DT David Carter. and Northern Iowa TE Schuyler Oordt. Also, I think interior OL can be tough to project and I think Stephen Schilling goes off the board higher than people expect, at least in relation to the other top OC/OG prospects. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the first OG off the board that doesn’t have OT versatility (like Watkins and Boling might).

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by kaisertown on Apr 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Totally agree with your philosophy Kaiser

I just don’t like the idea of a player with Dareus’ skills being taking so high.

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by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've been hearing rumblings around about that kid Schuyler, but don't know much about him myself, anything you can add about it?

Allen has certainly been getting some hype as a late round sleeper, a lot of places are starting to really play him up in the last weeks.

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by WABillsfan on Apr 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s tall and long, but is a smooth athlete. He wasn’t productive in one sense (only 24 catches for 405 yards and 3 TDs), but his team ran more than twice as much as they threw and completed a big 11 passes per game. Oordt did average an impressive 17 yards per catch and had the 2nd most catches, yards and TDs on the team. It’s the same school that produced Kurt Warner, Bryce Paup (only drafted player of the four), Mike Furrey and Benny Sapp.

  He’s kind of a wild card coming from such a small school. If he’d been recruited by Alabama, maybe he’d be a 2nd round prospect. Or maybe he never would have seen the field. The measurables are there though. Solid developmental pick at a position where most players are developmental anyways.

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by kaisertown on Apr 27, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Bills’ Top 3…. I agree 100% with your order and your reasoning for all 3.

by NDbuffalo on Apr 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Got to call you out Brian...among others....so much for when you said
these soothsayer comments are absurd. No one knows jack diddly about how things will turn out if we take Player X, and it’s hilarious that people claim they do.

How is saying Newton will be a Bust or set the franchise back different than

Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama: The massive, versatile and powerful lineman is pretty close to a slam dunk,

or even better

I think this guy’s a lock to become one of the league’s most feared pass rushers.

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3. Preferably Peterson, Dareus, or Miller in that order…Unfortunately, we need all three.

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by Joe P. on Apr 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

The words “is pretty close” and “I think” come to mind.

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by stetzwebs on Apr 27, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I think" is a given......point is Jack Diddly has left the building :-)

Anyone but Cam Newton at #3. Preferably Peterson, Dareus, or Miller in that order…Unfortunately, we need all three.

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by Joe P. on Apr 27, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKelvin style.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Apr 27, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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