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Bills' O-Line Should Prioritize Physicality, Not Necessarily Size

For much of the 2010 season - and in particular toward the end of it, when injuries forced the Buffalo Bills to use many of their reserves up front - we talked about Chan Gailey's desire to get more physical along the offensive line.

The team has obviously made that attempt. Bigger players have been brought in; Buffalo's five holdover linemen from the Dick Jauron teams are an average of 6'4" and 311 pounds, while the eight new imports are slightly bigger on average (6'5", 316) and includes three of the four biggest linemen on the team (Kraig Urbik, Colin Brown and rookie Chris Hairston).

Yes, the Bills are getting bigger, but that's not necessarily the right direction for the team - even though by Bills fans standards, in general, bigger is viewed as better. Physicality can (and, I believe in Buffalo's case, must) be achieved without getting significantly bigger on average - and with the Bills running a very specific type of offense with Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick, for now, general athleticism needs to be the bigger focal point for the team.

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This argument needs to start, in my estimation, by bringing up two points that I believe are unassailable fact.

Fitzpatrick is a gunslinger. That, for better or worse, is his playing style. He's a balls-to-the-wall distributor of the football who's at his best making quick reads and getting rid of the football. He is not at his best when he's asked to sit in the pocket, extend plays, or throw in the move (though he can do all three occasionally). That is why Gailey put Fitzpatrick in spread formations a lot last season - defenses are easier to diagnose pre-snap, and it's easier to get the ball into the hands of your playmakers.

Buffalo's skill talent, as a whole, can be greater than the sum of its parts. Any good NFL offense has depth at the skill positions, and doesn't try to force-feed the ball to one or two playmakers. Take a look at Green Bay's players, however - they have impeccable depth at wide receiver and tight end, and enough running backs to get them by. They have great players, but they are effective because they have a lot of very good players. This is something that the Bills can emulate with another piece or two (particularly a tight end, but that's a different conversation altogether).

Right now, that is Buffalo's offensive identity. They're not a run-first team because they're not built to be one. Perhaps that's more of the long-term vision, but coaches want to win now. Ergo, for now, Buffalo's offensive line can't morph too heavily from what it was last season.

No, I don't mean that Buffalo's offensive line shouldn't change, because that would be absurd. The line needs to get healthier, for one. It needs to get better at doing its job, as well. These, too, are unassailable facts. What I'm driving at, however, is that the line can't change its identity for the sake of becoming more physical. It needs to become more physical within the framework of the rather athletic group that it already is.

We've touched on this a bit with Demetrius Bell and Eric Wood over the past few weeks. Both of these players are highly athletic for men in their position, but due to injury, neither has the strength training required to play that desired physical brand of football for 16 games. But both of these players were assets to the team last year because they fit the form of offense Gailey chose to employ so well. Wood is a fantastic pulling guard, and he knows how to finish plays. Bell is way more than athletic enough to protect the edge against speed rushers.

That's why the team could get away with Cordaro Howard and Mansfield Wrotto at right tackle, and why Cornell Green looked so bad out there - the two younger guys are very good athletes (even if they were playing out of position), while Green was an aging veteran no longer blessed with the same athletic traits. It's also why Geoff Hangartner was good at center despite not being the most physical of players - he's a mobile, wall-off lineman that can make plays at the second level. Same for Andy Levitre.

At its best last season, Buffalo's offensive line was really quite good. Pass protection is about much more than the play of the line - quarterback play, incorporating skill players into blocking schemes, knowing what's going on pre-snap, and many other factors come into play - but all four long-term starters (as well as the rotation at right tackle) had their moments of glory. It was a line that was better protecting the passer than opening up running lanes, and was quite good as the season progressed at executing plays that required blocks at the second level. When guys like Urbik were forced into the lineup (and no, the problem was not exclusive to him), there was a noticeable loss of athleticism that hampered the team's offensive execution.

Yes, the line needs to improve technically. It absolutely needs to get more physical; the team won't make significant strides offensively until they run the ball more effectively. I firmly believe that, in the short term, that physicality needs to come within the framework of what the line was a year ago. Better? Without question. More physical? Absolutely. Bigger? Only if it's feasible.

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YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog…

by JustAskTheAxis on Jun 23, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

TWSS

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 23, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that one doesn’t even make sense.

by cjf4 on Jun 23, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That one absolutely makes sense. Particularly if you’ve ever read Choke.

THAT is why i'm serious.

by Trashplate on Jun 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So dog is a euphimism for penis?

Alright, im sorry, it was just lame.

by cjf4 on Jun 23, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said big men cant run?

But I agree. Being physcal and playing with correct leverage and technique will get you much further than being a massive human being. Although, youd hope to get a little bit of both from your Oline.

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Jun 23, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Who said big men cant run?

Ha, no one. I’m sure very few would object to an athlete with Langston Walker’s size and Demetrius Bell’s athleticism.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

that specimen would be a high round pick – something completely outside of Buffalo’s MO when it comes to picking tackles.

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by oompaloompa on Jun 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

something completely outside of Buffalo’s MO when it comes to picking tackles.

And that MO is….NO tackles.

Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12

by fansince60 on Jun 23, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That specimen was Mike Williams, actually.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh… yeah.

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by oompaloompa on Jun 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That specimen was Mike Williams, actually.

That specimen [Langston Walker’s size and Demetrius Bell’s athleticism] was Jason Peters, actually.

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by go_buff on Jun 23, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on.

Bigger isn’t necessarily better anymore. It’s all about speed, stength, and technique. You obviously would want the biggest guy available with those attributes on your OLine, but it’s certainly not like the old days where you just stack the front with giant freaks of nature, just because they are giant freaks of nature. Big is a bonus, not a prerequisite. In fact, there’s a point where big becomes a liability because the game is so intense nowadays. There’s always stories about dudes getting heat stroke and heart problems and stuff because they’re too big for the game.

by The Adam Bomb on Jun 23, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

they’re too big for the game.

I’d say, they’re too big for life.

Being that size in the normal world is a handicap. Between the calories required to keep a body like that moving and having to supersize everything from your car to your furniture (not to mention having to get reinforced mattresses) , add on thousands of dollars a year. And then the wear and tear on the body just from getting out of bed. As often as I’ve fantasized about being that big (when I was a kid and got served broccoli, i’d pretend I was a tree eating giant), I think in all practicality, I like being 6’ and 175-80 much more.

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Opinions were like kittens
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-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Jun 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just being a 'measely" 280 pounds

Is difficult. I can’t imagine being 300 pounds plus.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 23, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why the team could get away with Cordaro Howard and Mansfield Wrotto at right tackle, and why Cornell Green looked so bad out there

I really would not say the team “got away” with anything putting Howard and Wrotto at RT. That position was getting Fitzpatrick in a lot of trouble even when those two were playing. The team finished 4-12 and our QB took too many hits becuase of failures at that position, the Bills didn’t get away with anything putting those guys in. Cornell Green also looked bad out there because he is bad.

Focusing more on your main point, if this offensive line needs to remain athletic because of the qualities of the team and if the coaches are trying to “win now” as you say, and if we take as true your point that the team could “get away” with Wrotto and Howard at RT then the answer to me is exactly what CanadianBillsFan (who has disappeared sadly) said months ago – put Demetrius Bell at RT and watch him dominate there and then spend your free agent dollars or trade for a better, bigger, stronger, smarter and more experienced LT. And do it as soon as free agency starts.

I would love to see Demetrius Bell at RT, I think he would be a good starter there. If we are passing heavy then his athleticism in combination with a better LT would give us great bookends for our style of offense. Unlike most Rumblers I actually think Bell was playing better as a run blocker than a pass blocker where he greatly struggled so throw him to the right side AND if this team wants to win now then it needs a better LT and it needs a better RT. Moving Bell to RT saves us a starter we don’t have to replace, puts our free agent dollars into a more important position at LT than RT where we dont want to spend mega-bucks, and upgrades TWO line positions while allowing Bell to continue to develop on his 16 game full slate starting experience from last year.

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I was going to put all the above and Ron's stuff in a fanpost

but this is a good time to talk about it and it saves me effort haha

I want Demetrius Bell to be our starter at RT and I want a new LT. I think it would work and I think it would make us better and for what its worth here are Ron’s final results from the 2011 season on Demetrius Bell.

After watching every single running play and Bell on every single running play our famed o-line analyst discovered the following:

Bell’s average grade pass blocking: 73.7
Bell’s average grade run blocking: 75.5

Bell’s “good” plays pass blocking: 7
Bell’s “good” plays run blocking: 33

Bell’s “bad” plays pass blocking: 45
Bell’s “bad” plays run blocking: 25

Bell’s “killed” plays pass blocking: 17.5
Bell’s “killed” plays run blocking: 6

According to Ron, Bell also needed help on 43 plays on the left side. He will not need as much considering he will face less capable pass rushers than he did at LT. With a great free agent LT that’’s about 40 plays where we will have a tight end or running back or another block to use elsewhere.

Ron’s numbers speak for themselves and I think CanadianBillsFan had it right.

Move Bell to RT. Sign a LT.

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You make “sign a LT” sound like it’s so easy. You’re not going to find a better left tackle than Bell on the open market. I’ll personally guarantee that.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the new CBA being up in the air, it is likely we are going to see a lot more free agents than normal.

Has Dallas re-upped Doug Free?

Matt Light, Jared Gaither also would help out in a big way

I personally think Jermon Bushrod is going to be looking for a new starting job, he would be ideal in Buffalo for this situation.

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free isn’t going anywhere. Light is near the end, and not the type that the Bills would sign. Gaither’s back pretty much precludes him from the discussion.

I know you’re the harbinger of Bell’s demise, but dude, he’s the Bills’ left tackle. Period. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that everytime I speak on the o-line the assumption is that I’m trashing Bell because I think he is a poor fit at LT but I’m talking here about utilizing him and adjusting our personnel to become a better team. That’s what I’ve always done here, it just so happens that Bell is on the o-line where :)

I swear, I do not have anything against D.Bell but if we’re talking about the o-line and upgrading and offensive tackles, he’s going to come up

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if Brian is right

then keep Geoff at center and we have an offensive line tailored for the two unassailable truths that Brian pointed out.

We only add one new starter so we keep continuity and we keep the athleticism that Bell provides in the lineup which would work great for Fitz and yes, CJ Spiller. It also allows us to keep our own talent which sends a positive message to the lockerroom.

Ok, done responding to myself, I’m just excited because I think this would work and in light of your article, would work for what you believe in this story Brian.

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, done responding to myself

As long as you don’t start arguing with yourself….that would worry me.

Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12

by fansince60 on Jun 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha i'll keep a mental note of that

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you looking for a debate here

or do you just like repeating yourself like a thousand times over and over.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Jun 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what she said

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Jun 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I diagree with Bell being a good RT. I think he lacks what you need in a RT, and he has exactly what you want in a LT. In today’s NFL LT almost always go against the most athletic and quickest of the DE’s on the team. That is what Bell is best at, mirroring the DE and keeping him from getting to the edge/inside quickly. For a RT, they are usually going up against the strong, bull rushing DE. Exactly what Bell does not excel at, anchoring. I think people assume LT and RT are the same position on opposite sides of the field, but that is not true.

"Winning is not a goal. It is a belief."

-Terry Pegula-

by Eric Murawski on Jun 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a fair point

And it is well taken regarding anchoring.

Also, thank you for responding to the idea I raised eric. It gets exhausting dealing with the “stop hating on Bell” commentary everytime I discuss my thoughts on the offensive line :)

In todays NFL might it not be worth while to have the athletic blocker on both sides? And to your point, is there anything Bell can do coaching wise to improve in terms of anchoring or is that something you have or you don’t in your opinion?

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rinehart

Brian – in your film review, did you get a chance to compare Rinehart vs Urbik?

I read Urbik’s name often enough, but little of Rinehart, even though he had about 80 more snaps. ProFootballFocus had him graded a titch above Urbik.

by zipper on Jun 23, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Rinehart is closer to what the Bills need than Urbik, in my opinion.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is that?

you dont think Urbik is athletic?

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might’ve been the least athletic of all Bills linemen who played any amount of snaps last year. Most of the Bills’ linemen are great athletes; he is merely sufficient, and it’s borderline. I don’t think he’s a particularly powerful player, either.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting to note

considering size and power are his selling points.
 

The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee

by poz on Jun 23, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rinehart is feisty and slightly more mobile. I’m not terribly big on either, which is why I broached the idea of playing Wrotto at right guard last week. I kind of like Wrotto.

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by Brian Galliford on Jun 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like both Urbik and Rhinehart(sp)

And hope to see a lot more of both of them this season.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Improving O-line

I think our O-line did improve in the last 8 games or so; I believe the best is yet to come. Definitely could use an “elite” LT. It was our D that killed us.

I hope M. Jasper makes the team and can be pressed into spot duty from time to time. He’s a BIG man that can play both ways and has speed for a BIG man……

I love me some Amish Rifle.....

by coolness1 on Jun 23, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking about Jasper as I read this article, too. I know he’s raw and a long shot to even make the team, but he’s big, athletic, and has some experience playing on the offensive side of the ball.

Assuming he moved over to the O-line, where would his ideal fit be? I imagine he’d be a great wrecking ball to open up running lanes, but certainly not at the tackle positions.

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I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Jun 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fostering an identity

Big, small, athletic, unathletic, physical, finesse, whatever. I don’t really care one way or the other as long as they are good blockers that open running lanes, provide a pocket and give the QB a chance to get comfortable. I prefer physical and athletic on the edge, but I’d take any OL that can get the job done.

They do need an identity, though I don’t think it needs to be uniform. I think any team can get by with a less than physical LT that can pass block and is more of a seal blocker, with more physical players along the rest of the line. Overall, the team needs better blockers more so than specifically physical or athletic or big players.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jun 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

rec’d – this is where i’m at.

hopefully a year of strength training for Bell and Wood will help

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by J2 on Jun 23, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

I was thinking “cohesive” but “identity” works. We haven’t had either in a decade.

prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13

by jpheff on Jun 23, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was definitely in the camp of wanting freak of nature size men with misanthropic mean streaks in the trenches on both sides of the ball. However, I now see that:

1. You gotta work with the personnel who are available – you can’t just go design a player like you can in Madden.
2. Just because you’re 6’8" and 380 pounds and are a miserable son of a gun, if you’ve got the mobility of a statue, it aint helping.

My first inclination is still to Bigger and Meaner, but I’m now convinced that athleticism is critical also.

Learn something everyday.

I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Jun 23, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I think hairston could go a long way

He’s athletic enough to have played on the left side for 4 years in a tough conference. He has the size that most of adore.

So i guess my question is, is Hairston the answer.

And my answer to my own question is, he has to be. If this team is going to make a push or just get better they need Hairston to be there guy at RT. if we could have a solidified line we could take our focus and shift it to other positions such as TE, ILB ans SS.

oh, The NBA Draft is Tonight. Hells YA

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by PaullyPforPrez on Jun 23, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I was looking at Rinehart

and he has the hieght to play RT. What did he play in college? I have not heard anyone say he can do this. Does he lack the quickness?

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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