Buddy Nix - Will He Ever Get Us A Franchise QB?
I wouldn't have the slightest clue - but Buddy Nix probably knows how to find a Franchise QB better than any of us do.
During the past 2 drafts in which Buddy Nix was at the helm the Bills have passed on such talented Quarterbacks as Jimmy Clausen, Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder and Jack Locker. Many fans saw these QB's pass us by and threw Buddy in the dirt - "We need a Franchise QB" - "Buddy is stupid" - "We are already 1 year further from a rebuild" echoed throughout the community and the media.
Was Buddy right? Are the fans and the media right? Only time will tell - but Buddy does have one thing on his side - history.
Buddy Nix History
I'm sure you know that Buddy Nix was promoted to Assistant General Manager to A.J. Smith in 2002 after John Butlers passing. Prior to that he was Director of Pro Player Personnel for the Chargers and a Scout for the Bills.
During his time with the Chargers Buddy has been a part of picking these QB's: Drew Brees (2nd), Eli Manning (1st), Phillip Rivers (trade - which yielded Merriman and Keading FWIW) and Charlie Whitehurst (3rd round). Not a bad pull of QB's is it?
Think about even Charlie Whitehurst: while i'm not one to question the sanity of Pete Carroll - the Chargers swapped 2nd round picks (40th from the 60th) and got a 3rd round pick in the process. I'm not sure what the Seahawks saw in him because, well frankly he hasn't played much, but they obviously saw tape and had inside knowledge of his play. Time will tell if Whitehurts pans out - but as far as the Chargers are concerned they received their 3rd round investment back and moved up 20 slots in the 2nd. Remember, the Chargers have a pretty good QB in front of him - so his opportunities have clearly been limited.
QB production
Between the QBs that were selected during Buddy's stint as Assistant GM they have accumulated 9 pro bowl births, 2 SB championships and 1 SB MVP. Think about that - in the 8 years that Buddy was Assistant GM he's been a major reason why those guys were drafted. During that span the Bills have (sorry guys) played with Rob Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcomb, JP Losman, Trent Edwards and now Ryan Fitzpatrick. Jury isn't 100% out on Ryan but who wins that battle?
Conclusion
Now time will tell whether Buddy was right on the QB's in the past 2 drafts (and I do know that Buddy liked Christian Ponder better than any QB this past draft - FWIW) - but he does have a really good track record at the moment. I have no idea if Ryan will be that guy or if he will draft a guy that will pan out in the future - but from what I can tell - Buddy looks for certain things in a QB and if he doesn't see what he likes then he just moves along until that guy comes along.
I feel confident in saying that if Buddy likes a QB then he will draft him - but if he doesn't then he's not going to just to placate the fan base - because ultimately - that's not how you build a successful franchise.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Great post. Thanks.
+1
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 14, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
That was a pretty good breakdown
There is nothing worse than exaggeration!
"This is a long-term plan. We’re trying to build a mansion here."- Carmelo Anthony
When folks on here take the time and effort to make a thought provoking post, I sometimes thank them and just think about it. Great food for thought.
I appreciate everyone’s opinon on here and often times, some people change my mind and make me realize my initial gut opinions were wrong.
I really don’t know why you had to be sarcastic.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 14, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t get a sarcastic tone from him – I think it’s all good.
I’m no Brian – but things get running through my head and I like to research and jot them down then get an idea on what people think of them.
I’ll never write anything revolutionary – but I try to put pieces together to help me and to foster thinking in the community.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 14, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
I think 2012 is the year we finally draft our guy. Plenty of quality prospects out there and we will most likely still have the luxury of letting a guy sit behind Fitz for at least a year. Can’t argue with what Nix is doing though- add talent to the roster so that when you finally do draft your QB doesn’t have to do it all himself.
Great Post
You left out a word when describing the QB’s in your first sentence. That being COLLEGE
?
he doesn’t need to say college to qualify the word “talented”…they’re all talented QB’s
I may have scored a hundred points yesterday, but I scored a lot more off the court.
My son just learned to sit up
Give me 21 more years and I’ll have the problem solved. : )
Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
by Der Jaeger on Jul 14, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice
Didn’t work out with my sons:(
A QB is like a King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
by buffalobacker on Jul 15, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahaha
im telling you guys QB is too tough, only 32 starting jobs anyway!
Got to teach your boys how to pitch! More job openings, lazier sport, more pay and they can just sit around drink beer all day like half the MLB pitchers do anyway!
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
Punter!
My son (that I will someday have) will start learning how to punt in the crib! qrtr a Mill a year and NOBOBY EVER BLAMES THE PUNTER! plus, he can’t get hurt, and if he tackles someone or scrambles for a TD he’ll be the talk of the town!! Chicks will dig him (well, he’ll have good looks anyway;) and, unlike some other players, he’ll be able to form complete sentences!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jul 16, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thnk this was obvious
but to me, if Newton was there, Nix would have picked him. Other than that he didnt like the Qbs…. e’s just a stand pat and let the best player fall to him kind of guy.
I'm waitin'..... @killascript on twitter
what was obvious?
that he didn’t like any of the QBs last year or enough this year to grab one at 3?
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 14, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I do know that Buddy liked Christian Ponder better than any QB this past draft
i do believe its safe to say he liked cam newton a good deal more than ponder. after the draft he said in no uncertain terms that cam newton was on top of their draft board.
as to the point of this post, buddy clearly wanted to spend year1 figuring out the players he had top-to-bottom on this roster, and in doing so he found a QB hes comfortable with (at least in the short term). hell take a QB when theres one hes crazy about on the board, until then i think were rolling with fitz
i do believe its safe to say he liked cam newton a good deal more than ponder
yea – I got that as well from him. I know that, and I can’t tell you a number, but if he fell to a certain point they were going to try and move up to grab him.
That I found interesting and/or telling
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 14, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Show me the baby Buddy..... most of this is assumptions on your part
We have no idea how much say Buddy had in making those picks at QB. We have no idea who Buddy liked or didn’t like beyond who the Bills actually drafted vs who they passed on. What we do know is that they liked Spiller and Dareus better than the other players on the board at the time. Time will tell if they made the right call.
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
by Joe P. on Jul 14, 2011 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We have no idea how much say Buddy had in making those picks at QB.
no – but he was assistant GM right? So he clearly had a major part of those selections.
If if you want to play devils advocate and say he didn’t do anything – he still would have learned a ton from A.J. Smith with those selections and how you go about evaluating QB play – wouldn’t you say?
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
so did tom donahue
he came from a successful steelers organization… he must have learnt something…
but that didnt work out… so you really cannot tell if nix will be any good based on what a j smith did… the credit to nix is getting overblown.
by statcruncher on Jul 15, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think so – didn’t I say:
I wouldn’t have the slightest clue
All i’m saying is that he’s been part of a franchise, a major part, that was part of picking some of the most successful QBs to play in the NFL for the past 10 years.
I’m not saying he’s going to do it at all – never said that once.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
yes he was part of successful organization for 10+ years… but like i said, tom donahoe was part of a successful organization too… so, this doesnt bring any added hope to me…
maybe I or someone here should do a research on why buddy coming from chargers is better than donahoe coming from steelers.
by statcruncher on Jul 15, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally – i’m not going to let past failures dictate what I think in the future when these are 2 completely different people.
Would we not draft a QB because JP Losman failed? Would we not draft a LT because Mike Williams failed? Would we not draft another DE because Maybin failed?
Hinging past failures on new people is an exercise in futility – and IMO – kinda stupid.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
past failures are also lessons… and if i learned anything, it is to hold of on expectations till i see some difference from donahoe… and i dont think that’s kinda stupid…
these are just ways of looking… expecting nix to succeed because he came from chargers sounds more like bills fans eternal desparation than rational logic, IMO
by statcruncher on Jul 15, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling that you think because I wrote this that I expect him to pick a great QB in the 1st round at some point and lead us to a SB victory – well that’s not the case.
I simply wrote this to show his past successes and how he has a much better idea on what to look for in a QB than any of us do.
I’m not sure where you got the idea that I expected him to succeed – especially after the very first line of this post stated that I wouldn’t have the slightest clue if he will ever get us a franchise QB. I wrote that for that exact reason – so people wouldn’t assume that’s where I was going with this post. I wrote it simply for informational purposes
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
it is clear
the agenda in the post is to put nix in a good light because he was part of a successful organization… if you dont expect him to succeed, you obviously are making a case the odds are better for him to succeed based on his past… and i am just arguing against that point…
its like saying maybin grew up under arrington and trained with lewis and merriman… he must be successful because he must have learnt something… see where that led us…
by statcruncher on Jul 15, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
its like saying maybin grew up under arrington and trained with lewis and merriman… he must be successful because he must have learnt something… see where that led us…
again – that was one year. The reason I wrote this was because it was close to a decade of proper QB evaluation.
I challenge you to find any franchise in NFL history to be so successful with drafting so many successful QBs in that amount of time. That’s why it’s different and that’s why i wrote about it – because as far as I know no one has ever been that successful in drafting QBs.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ok now it is stretching too far
so here are the facts
first up
brees – obviously chargers didnt think he was a success… else they wouldnt go and draft another qb… so brees’ success doesnt go to nix/ chargers
manning/ rivers – it’s not that difficult for most of the team to identify 2 good QBs in a year when you are picking #1 overall ! but il will give the credit to have trusted rivers… manning is a brand name…
and i dont have a clue why you insist on including whitehurst to this list… if we trade fitz now, we would get more than what chargers got for whitehurst…
so that down to just one success in 10 years
by statcruncher on Jul 15, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously chargers didnt think he was a success
no – they thought he was injured – remember Miami essentially passed on him too for that exact reason.
so brees’ success doesnt go to nix/ chargers
sure it does – they drafted him – that’s what i’m talking about – players drafted.
and i dont have a clue why you insist on including whitehurst to this list
because if I didn’t then people would have said i’m only looking at half of the picture – it was an attempt to be comprehensive and leave all facts on the table.
it’s not that difficult for most of the team to identify 2 good QBs in a year when you are picking #1 overall !
tell that to the Raiders, 49ers, Texans, Browns – etc…
so that down to just one success in 10 years
no it’s not – they drafted Brees and Manning then traded for Rivers because of their QB evaluations.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on J2....he didn't say that at all....he was making a comparison
You know as well as I do that Donahoe was considered a great hire at the time….I would dare say a better hire than Nix.
You do say “I have no idea…”, but then you clearly try to build a case that Nix knows how to pick a QB. Maybe he does…maybe he doesn’t. You want to give Nix credit for something you have no idea if he deserves credit for. Next in the series……“Nix Knows How to pick a OLB” because he was there when the Chargers took Merriman? All I know is I will be very surprised if the Bills didn’t pass on a franchise QB in the past two years…..specifically Tebow. Show me the Baby….then I will give Nix credit for being the father.
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
by Joe P. on Jul 15, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know as well as I do that Donahoe was considered a great hire at the time….I would dare say a better hire than Nix.
I wouldn’t dare say that – I know it – I loved the Donahoe hire.
but then you clearly try to build a case that Nix knows how to pick a QB.
actually Nix built that case – I just put it on the Internet in a fanpost.
You want to give Nix credit for something you have no idea if he deserves credit for.
I believe he does deserve credit – if you don’t then fine – but his job title dictates that he had something to do with picking those QBs doesn’t it?
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if he deserves all, some, or none of the credit.....that is the point
In each case, Nix could have been in favor of drafting them or thought the Chargers should have taken someone else.
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
but Joe – you’re only going so far with what i’m saying.
Playing devils advocate – even if he was 100% against any of those guys – or heck – even all of them – say Buddy didn’t want Manning, Rivers, Brees, Whitehurst – wouldn’t he have learned something from AJ Smith in the process?
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe....maybe not...which is why the Donahoe comparision was relevant
To put it in the words of one of BR greatest posters…….“I think you’re fishing” :-)
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
but that’s assuming that I didn’t do my research Joe – Donahoe had a bad track record of drafting QBs – well really a non-existent one.
Donahoe drafted AVP (ironically!) in the 7th round – so i’m not sure that counts, Jim Miller in the 6th – again not sure that counts – and then Kordell Stewart in the 2nd round.
Donahoe’s track record of QB selecting was not good – Buddy, with San Diego, has been much, much better – so much better it’s almost not fair to compare the 2 in this situation.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
RE Nix: All true if Nix found and wanted to draft those QB
We don’t know how much of that credit he deserves. The Steelers were known for their LBs….correct? Did Donahoe draft us any great LBs?
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
The Steelers were known for their LBs….correct?
sure they were – but Donahoe didn’t build the Bills that way – he went after free agents instead. Remember he’s the one that brought in London Fletcher and Takeo Spikes. Also brought in Lawyer Milloy, Troy Vincent – etc…
Donahoe was in a win now mode from the moment he got here – Buddy has been forthright from the beginning saying he’s going to build through the draft.
2 completely different philosophies.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
true, but no matter where you get them....draft or FA
by your logic, Donahoe should have been able to bring his knowledge of LBs from the Steelers to the Bills. That never happened.
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
so you’re saying that Fletcher and Spikes weren’t good pickups?
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
no.....they had their moments....
Spikes got injured and Fletcher was run out of town…so you tell me.
QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
How do we know taking a gimmicky-3rd down back wasn’t an attempt to “placate the fan base”? Nix gets a pass for exactly 17 more months. That’s the due date or it’s off with his head.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
How do we know taking a gimmicky-3rd down back wasn’t an attempt to "placate the fan base"?
Honestly – you just answered your own question didn’t you?
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't follow
If Nix would have taken a QB high in of these last two drafts, the suspicion would be that he’s trying to placate the ignorant fans, but drafting a kick returner 9th overall and immediately having the owner comment on how “boring” the team has been afterward isn’t suspicious at all? It works both ways.
Nix has no history on building a team. That’s not a knock him; he’s a career scout and he’s enthusiastically admitted that several times. Nix deserves time to see if his moves work out, but there’s nothing ignorant about finding his plan unlikely to work without a championship level QB. Regardless of the resources available, it’s Nix’s job to find one. If it was easy, you or I (or Russ Brandon or Dick Jauron) could do it. Tick tock.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Jul 15, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don’t teams always talk up their draft picks?
I don’t see how taking Spiller was an attempt to placate the fanbase – especially considering that there were maybe 3 or 4 positions set on the entire roster and our deepest position was probably RB.
Seriously – how many people thought RB was going to even be an option? – let alone the selection? I know of only 1 person that said we were taking Spiller. Everyone else said that RB was most likely off the table because of the major needs this team had everywhere.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The point is that it’s just as likely that unpure influences like fan pressure factored into the Spiller pick as it would have been given a QB selection high in one of the past two drafts. I have no idea what Nix’s train of thought was- he gets no benefit of the doubt nor tar and feathering at this juncture.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
that unpure influences like fan pressure factored into the Spiller pick
or Ralph loved him – Ralph’s pulled that card before….
not saying I agree with you – but I understand your point.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think someone felt that Spiller was a can’t-miss pick as a RB. He was supposed to be low risk, i’d bet.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Fan voting Change
Buddy is getting a not sure from here on out. This has nothing to due with him not selecting a QB though. He has had two solid drafts, which I stand firmly behind but none of these playes have really shown anything and until they do, the honeymoon is starting to slow down. Had to draw the line and go with not sure, we need to win some games, these new players, these new coaches, this new front office needs to win us some games.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Two Solid Drafts?
In the same sentence you say they’ve proved nothing yet, hows that a solid draft? Your right, way to soon to to annoint Nix some forward thinking QB guru/drafter. I just hope Dareus can play ball like a #3 should!
A QB is like a King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
by buffalobacker on Jul 15, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think last year’s draft was solid at all. Outside of Moats, no one made truly consistent strides to the good last year.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Solid
areas of need, great need, whether it is depth or starting quality but it was still solid. DL, LB’s RB of the future, all solid picks. Now it is time to produce.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
I actually think this could possibly be unfair to Nix
We as avid Bills fans know how bad this roster was when he took over of the 22 starting relevant positions he has or had to replace probably 20. So lets say he drafted and hit on every single player he has drafted well then he only would be able to fill 15 of those 20 spots and being realistic A really good draft would net you 4 starters to be quallified as a very good draft, 3 good draft and so and so forth. So to say this honeymmon stage is coming to a close, i don’t necessarily think its fair.
Im with you in the fact we have to start eventually showing some improvement no question, but I think the fact that we got better as a team as the season wore on shows us this team is headed in the right direction. I will gop to the grave tommorow preaching that until this team gets a legitimate starting QB it will struggle but there is no reason why they can’t stay competitive with a stopgap QB.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Jul 15, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
QB?
Don’t know if Buddy will ever get us a QB, but I’m hoping he found a really good DL recently!
A QB is like a King in chess, if you don't have one you lose! Get a QB Buffalo!
Here's what I don't get...
Of course, we don’t know if this is true or not, but everything after the draft said that the Bills board looked like Newton, Dareus, Gabbert… If Denver had taken Dareus at 2 and Gabbert was there at 3, indications are that Chix would have taken gabbert over Von Miller…
So here’s what I don’t get – considering how much more valuable QB is than DT/DE, shouldn’t we have selected Gabbert? I’m not saying Gabbert is the franchise savior or anything like that or that I don’t like the Dareus pick – just logically saying that if that was the Bills board, and you have those two picks right next to each other, even if Dareus is a HOFer, I’m still not sure it would outrank a pretty good (doesn’t even have to be great) QB… Thoughts?
I actually addressed that exact point in a post draft fanpost – If Buddy thought that Gabbert or even Ponder were franchise QB material and they didn’t select them then epic fail.
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
completely agree with you then – QB is the most important position in all sports, and if you think you might have one, then you gotta do it, even if he is one overall slot behind another position…
Like the trade value charts they talk about with the point system, I’d love to see the development of a draft value chart with your overall grade on a player with a multiplier of some sort based on positional value to determine your draft board… a good QB should always come over an elite MLB, etc…
by JustAskTheAxis on Jul 15, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't think Gabbert or Ponder were better.......
…….. did you see his face in the Bills war room when Denver selected?
Big smile, fist pumping, and sported wood (okay, I just added that).
:-)
They got the guy they wanted all along.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 15, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh they loved Dareus – no question – but what I meant was that if they had any inkling that Gabbert or Ponder could eventually lead us to a SB win then they should have selected one of them.
You always take the QB
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly...
They definitely got who they wanted – like J2 said, always take the QB – they are way more impactful on the field
by JustAskTheAxis on Jul 15, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so far Buddy has basically stayed true
to the formulas he and AJ utilized in the San Diego war rooms on draft day so I think J2 might be on to something here.
In Buddys first year in San Diego the Chargers used their first round pick to pick up an explosive, franchise running back in LaDanian Tomlinson. In Buddys first year in Buffalo, the GM used his first round pick to grab an explosive potential franchise running back in CJ Spiller.
In back to back seasons in 2004 and 2005 Buddy and the Chargers took 3-4 defensive lineman in the second round in Igor Olshansky and Luis Castillo, in back to back seasons in 2010 and 2011 Buddy and the Bills took 3-4 defensive lineman in the first and second round in Torell Troup and Marcell Dareus.
While the Aaron Williams pick left me a bit annoyed it didnt shock me as five times in his tenure in San Diego Buddy and AJ took a cornerback in the first two rounds. Antoine Cason, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Sammy Davis and our very own Drayton Florence.
There is only one major trend from his time in San Diego that hasn’t come to fruition yet and that is that the Chargers took two QBs in the first two rounds, Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, even when they already had a capable starter on the roster (they took Whitehurst with a capable starter in place too).
Buddy has shown himself to be repeating pretty closely, the trends he was educated under in San Diego with AJ Smith. The success rate is undeniable – Antoine Cason, Antonio Cromartie, Drayton Florence, Quentin Jammer, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, LaDanian Tomlinson, Igor Olshansky, Luis Castillo. You throw in the OLB, OT, SS, FB, and OG that he also took in the first two rounds – Shawne Merriman, Marcus McNeil, Eric Weddle, Tonui Fonoti, and Jacob Hester and the track record is pretty impressive.
The history in San Diego, and its results, and his subsequent emulation of them here in Buffalo would suggest that J2 is properly applying patience with Buddy and his selection of a QB. Of course, all of this is predicated on the key to the San Diego success NOT being simply AJ Smith and on Buddy being a good student who can apply what he learns.
For now, I believe Buddy should retain our confidence and thus our patience, not only with the early picks he has made but also with the delay on taking a QB. If he is the talent evaluator San Diego’s recent history indicates then he is not just passing on QBs for no reason.
All that being said, I know I am fighting my own internal frustration that he hasnt made a move for our own “McNeil” or “Merriman” yet at OLB and OT – in my opinion the Bills two weakest positions hands down. Still, there is no denying that J2’s theory holds some water when looking at the trends and why I for one, am still being patient, if a bit closer to getting frustrated, with Buddy’s GMing.
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by poz on Jul 15, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well put!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 15, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicely put-together post, J2!
I feel they should have drafted (more likely wanted to, but couldn’t get it done) Tim Tebow. I think if he were available for the picking, the Bills might call the Broncos.
I know what was said about Ponder and his connection to the Bills, but I think Nix wanted Newton more than any other player in th 2011 draft.
I think they find their franchise guy if they tank in 2011. If they somehow win 7 games…oh joy. Groundhog day for an additional 4-5 years.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 15, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yep
Agree, and it is unfortunate that none of the developmental QB’s we’ve either picked up or drafted have panned out… Here’s hoping Fitz does (even thought I think he’s atrocious)
by JustAskTheAxis on Jul 15, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
Who says we don’t already have our franchise QB on the roster?
Just sayin………….
Jim Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Dave Krieg, Brett Favre, Warren Moon, Jim Zorn, and Daryle Lamonica (thought I should post that)…….. never became great QBs until after they were on their 2nd or 3rd team.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
that is certainly valid – no question and I don’t know the answer – but all i’m saying is that if they thought that one of those guys could be a franchise QB, especially given that we don’t have one now, then you always take that guy.
plus – wouldn’t 2 franchise QBs be good anyways? one of them would yield a lot of draft picks methinks and further our rebuild.
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by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
"..especially given that we don’t have one now......."
And I said, “Who says we don’t already have our franchise QB on the roster?”
I was referring to Fitz.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I know – but do we know if he’s a QB that can take us to the SB?
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by J2 on Jul 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bills world wonders. But let’s not discount it.
Fitz needs (or any rookie QB, including Andrew Luck if we got him) an amazing cast of characters around him to make the Bills a Super Bowl team.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jul 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post!
Just look at all the QB’s we didn’t take last year in free agency — McNabb, Campbell, Clausen, Troy Smith, Delhomme, Derek Andersen, … we’d be WORSE off and down a few draft picks if we had done any of these deals (sidebar: who still wishes we had Shanahan?).
YES we need a franchise QB. But that doesn’t mean you take a QB high and you can pencil him as a franchise guy. ESPN pumps up every college QB to a fever pitch every year, so it’s easy to convince yourself anyone will do. But success rates stink, history isn’t kind to teams that screw up their top picks by reaching for a QB (JP Losman is like 30% of what went wrong this past decade). Plenty of teams needed a QB and passed on last year’s top prospects, so Buddy isn’t out on an island with his talent evaluation.
by greysquirrel on Jul 15, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is Loseman what went wrong with the Bills or the Bills what went wrong with Loseman???????
Given the number of QBs that have started out strong only to flame out, a strong case can be made for the latter.
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Losman was so bad at times, its hard to really blame Buffalo. Especially since someone who was also just as limited (in other ways) took his job. But I’m not gonna argue was a developmental dream. In fact, the point your making speak to the idea of making sure the teamis good, because most likely you aren’t gonna get a guy who can do it all by himself (it would be nice, but.. realism.) So you want the stuff around him helping him to succeed rather than constantly pulling lotto tickets for guys who will not be able to overcome their surroundings.
by greysquirrel on Jul 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Losman
It was mentioned in another blog about back ups that J.P. is a possibility, and some said they were OK with that. Is it because of Gailey? I think Joe has a point. As for a future QB, perhaps Chix think Fitz is just that, and wont mention it for a number of reasons- if they are wrong, it looks bad. If Fitz is handed it without question, he might not push himself any harder. If they didn’t see a chance at all with him, they would have drafted someone. Who here thinks that ONLY Cam was worth a shot in their minds?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Jul 17, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Pieces of the ultimate puzzle . . .?
With all the other glaring needs this team has, QB is at least serviceable, remember Trent Dilfer?, I’d say that Fitz has more to offer than him. If Buddy and Chan can add more quality pieces to this team puzzle, then the overall product will bring in more success which breeds success, right? So if the “Baby” is gonna be shown, then we have to let it grow inside the womb, patience people patience ! stay positive and we’re all gonna be proud new parents of a playoff contender :) I know, I know, what kind of coolaid am I drinking?, but the draft added some pieces, with the dawning of free agency on the horizon, there’s bound to be more additions to complete the picture. Most regimes take a 3 year progression and we are in year 2 so let’s see what CHIX can do. I have faith in them, they want to be successful, who gets into something and wants to fail? It’s not human nature to do that ! Go Bills !

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